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 Tenant giving problem, How to deal with unreasonable tenant?

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SUSshortone146
post Jun 29 2020, 03:42 AM

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QUOTE(GreyMocha @ Jun 29 2020, 03:31 AM)
Yeah some landlords damn terrible.

I met one forced my dad buy his freaking old washing machine

Ask my dad get ppl cut the grass Or he will deduct 100 from deposit when the contract is over

Don’t know why my dad agree to it
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Most people do not read the contract expecting the land lord to be reasonable

Contract does not help much anyway. Unless you are willing to go through the trouble of using the legal route.

As mentioned, the landlord has the power since he holds your deposit and they abuse it 99% of the time.

Funny that it always never seem that the landlord is grateful for the tennant for giving them rent.

But then most landlord will use the "worst" case scenario to defend themselves. You know those kind of scenarios where tennants actually purposefully destroy their property.

Most tennant just want peace. They will not purposefully destroy the property. Of course landlord can make time to inspect the property once in a while.

But then most of them really are psychopaths.
mini orchard
post Jun 29 2020, 07:32 AM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Jun 29 2020, 12:32 AM)
It’s market practice to claim the deposit back after the tenancy is over. (No offsetting rental)

The tenant likely agreed to it when they signed the tenancy.

It’s a business transaction not a charity.
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Now psychopath wannabe tenant wants to deal with psychopath landlord

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4987729
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post Jun 29 2020, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(trust4you @ Jun 29 2020, 12:51 AM)
If pour cement in toilet bowl what happen. Last time my stupid renovator painter  pour the plaster inside toilet bowl. Thd contractor is call GBX  construction (letter X is not the alphabet, so start with GB letter one just bare in mind. Better not engage.
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Zwean
post Jun 29 2020, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(shortone146 @ Jun 29 2020, 01:30 AM)
Well. Sometimes it does pay to be good.

You dunno when something may happen to you.

But then I doubt you get it.
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QUOTE(shortone146 @ Jun 29 2020, 03:17 AM)
Problem is, this landlord is most likely a trouble maker like most out there.

Just because they hold people's deposit, they seem to think that they are suddenly untouchable.

There really should be a way whereby legally, the landlord is held accountable for wrongly not returning deposits to the tennants.

If he was a reasonable guy, he would not have written what he has written.
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QUOTE(shortone146 @ Jun 29 2020, 03:42 AM)
Most people do not read the contract expecting the land lord to be reasonable

Contract does not help much anyway. Unless you are willing to go through the trouble of using the legal route.

As mentioned, the landlord has the power since he  holds your deposit and they abuse it 99% of the time.

Funny that it always never seem that the landlord is grateful for the tennant for giving them rent.

But then most landlord will use the "worst" case scenario to defend themselves. You know those kind of scenarios where tennants actually purposefully destroy their property.

Most tennant just want peace. They will not purposefully destroy the property. Of course landlord can make time to inspect the property once in a while.

But then most of them really are psychopaths.
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It seems to me that you have personally experienced an unfortunate incident whereby the landlord did not return you the deposit.

Like I have mentioned before, it is a business transaction, owners and tenants should be professional about it.

Expectations were not set properly by both parties. (Could be the negligence of the agent be trying to reduce friction during negotiation).

Trust me when I say that it protects you and the owner's interests if things go wrong, and things CAN and WILL go wrong. (But I doubt you get it? hehe) To all landlords here, when renting your property out.

Please take the time, sit down and go through the agreement with the tenant (this includes setting expectations and letting them know in advance that the deposit can not be used to offset rent) amongst other matters.
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post Jun 29 2020, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Jun 29 2020, 08:26 AM)
It seems to me that you have personally experienced an unfortunate incident whereby the landlord did not return you the deposit.

Like I have mentioned before, it is a business transaction, owners and tenants should be professional about it.

Expectations were not set properly by both parties. (Could be the negligence of the agent be trying to reduce friction during negotiation).

Trust me when I say that it protects you and the owner's interests if things go wrong, and things CAN and WILL go wrong. (But I doubt you get it? hehe) To all landlords here, when renting your property out.

Please take the time, sit down and go through the agreement with the tenant (this includes setting expectations and letting them know in advance that the deposit can not be used to offset rent) amongst other matters.
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And you really think you are going to fight the landlord in court if he decides not to return the deposit to you for some made up reason.


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post Jun 29 2020, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(shortone146 @ Jun 29 2020, 08:51 AM)
And you really think you are going to fight the landlord in court if he decides not to return the deposit to you for some made up reason.
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Why not? smile.gif

Small claims court is free.
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post Jun 29 2020, 09:32 AM

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Personally would never let any tenant continue staying without a deposit, period. The cost of furnishings and the house is much much more than the miserable deposit.

Screening of the tenants is very essential as is proper communication and as said above, making it very clear that deposit can never be used as offsets. Sometimes if a prospective tenant shows attitude that might result in future dispute, you have to reject him/her.

Bear in mind there is little sympathy for landlords in Malaysian law or in the court of public opinion: as can be seen by some above replies. Tenants expects charity and grace, forgetting that landlords, while, business owners, also are humans with families to feed and bills to pay. If companies were run in this way, banks would not foreclose properties, credit card debts would not be sky high and there would be no "tarik kereta".If only landlords in malaysia had powers like the non financial institutions to mark tenants' ccris/ctos, they would be much more respectful and considerate.

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mini orchard
post Jun 29 2020, 10:00 AM

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Am wondering why once awhile, there will be a psychopath forumer appearing and giving his 2 cents kopitiam opinion.
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(whoweare @ Sep 8 2019, 01:23 PM)
I have this tenant with a year contract. He wanted to move out but there is still 3 months contract remaining. To not forfeit the deposit (2 months), he stopped payment rental in the 3rd last month saying he want it to be offset from deposit.

Conversation turns bad and he is now saying not gonna paid anymore. What options do I have? My agent said u can disconnect water and electricity supply. Is that legal? Should I make a police report too before doing so?

I have few tenants before but never encounter such bad, unreasonable one. I suspect he is having financial issue now since he is moving to another place with deposit paid.
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I would think set a meeting with him now. Ask him what date he wants to end and settle on an inspection date. Try to come to agreement on further payment. If not paying up the third last month, tenant can move out. Focus on finding a new tenant.
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jun 29 2020, 10:00 AM)
Am wondering why once awhile, there will be a psychopath forumer appearing and giving his 2 cents kopitiam opinion.
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You sound pretty sick really.

Must be one of those psychopath failures who thinks that he can bully someone just because someone is renting from him.
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(shortone146 @ Jun 29 2020, 12:23 AM)
Actually I do.
The issue is that the tennant requested for an early release(Not so early actually considering that it's just 1 month before the contract expire) and requested to use the deposit to offset the rental.

But then there is no denying that this landlord is being an asshole like what most landlords are.
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It's 3 months before contract expiry.

And 2 months security deposit is not meant to offset last two months of rental (but a lot of tenants do that to take advantage of the landlord), it's meant to repair any damage done to the property during the tenancy period.
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:59 AM

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Anyone realised @shortone146 necro this thread? TS haven't been active since Sept 16 2019.
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post Jun 29 2020, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(shortone146 @ Jun 29 2020, 10:46 AM)
You sound pretty sick really.

Must be one of those psychopath failures who thinks that he can bully someone just because someone is renting from him.
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I have 2 likes ... you ?

Your name ..short short or sort sort ... whatever.

You can argue till cow comes home .. to label landlord as psychopath is childish !

You hit the wrong forumer, he can nuke in kopitiam ...so many cases.

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post Jun 29 2020, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(weissPC @ Jun 29 2020, 10:51 AM)
It's 3 months before contract expiry.

And 2 months security deposit is not meant to offset last two months of rental (but a lot of tenants do that to take advantage of the landlord), it's meant to repair any damage done to the property during the tenancy period.
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There are plenty of nightmare stories out there of landlords who do allow offsetting of rent.

It’s spelled out properly in the tenancy agreement and is agreed by both parties.

Some just want to take advantage of the landlord’s generosity.

Says a lot about the person.
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post Jun 29 2020, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jun 29 2020, 11:00 AM)
I have 2 likes ... you ?

Your name ..short short or sort sort ... whatever.

You can argue till cow comes home .. to label landlord as psychopath is childish !

You hit the wrong forumer, he can nuke in kopitiam ...so many cases.
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Wow. You should get a noble prize because of your 2 likes right?
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post Jun 29 2020, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Jun 29 2020, 11:00 AM)
There are plenty of nightmare stories out there of landlords who do allow offsetting of rent.

It’s spelled out properly in the tenancy agreement and is agreed by both parties.

Some just want to take advantage of the landlord’s generosity.

Says a lot about the person.
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Yeah yeah.

Landlords are generous.

I must be living in another planet.

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post Jun 29 2020, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(shortone146 @ Jun 29 2020, 11:20 AM)
Yeah yeah.

Landlords are generous.

I must be living in another planet.
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Was it agreed, black and white in the tenancy agreement?

If yes, no point bitching on forums.

Just buy your own house.
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post Jun 29 2020, 11:26 AM

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I got screwed over by 2 out of 3 tenants.

1st tenant asked me to let them offset the rent. I thought they looked decent, payment was on time. So I said ok, stupid me didnt check the electric bill, they had rm2.7k outstanding in electric fees, nonwithstanding the furniture wasnt taken care of.

2nd one left, however i hadnt realized that they had damaged the toilet flush for both of the toilets before leaving.

I suspect some of the tenants might be related to some personal problems that have been hounding me over the years, however my impression as a landlord after these 1st few tenants have been to nvr allow offsetting rent. Theres almost always some kind of damage or repairs that needs to be done. Even outside of vandalism and deliberate scams.
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Following this topic. Hope to learn some tricks on how to deal with my future tenants.
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post Jun 29 2020, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Jun 29 2020, 11:22 AM)
Was it agreed, black and white in the tenancy agreement?

If yes, no point bitching on forums.

Just buy your own house.
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See, you contradict yourself as per usual.

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