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PC Audio Please Recommend... a 2.1 or 5.1 speaker set V2, Comparison and advice needed...

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andrew9292
post Sep 18 2008, 10:12 PM

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harloo. user of AL vs4121, mx5021 and Edifier m3400, m3300 here ^^

here are my comments...

Altec Lansing Vs4121...hmm...this speaker, as many ppl say it sounds imbalanced. I bought it long time ago cuz it was one of the speakers that stand out BACK THEN. vs4121's bass is loose. loose means..lik the bass u hear in cinema. NOT heart-thumping every note(tight). Takan every bass note in the movie u wan your body to feel meh like in a concert...by the time exit cinema whole body numb numb edy smile.gif

The woofer doesnt go as low as it claims (25hz). By the time 38hz it struggles and reaches its extension limit easily. The mid range is down firing(facing the table) so its subjective to the surface your table is...if glass it would sound harsh, if high quality wood it would sound warm, if low quality wood the midrange would sound very "tin-can"ish. Tweeters...well ntg much to say...it doesnt go that high lah. The major letdown of this speakers is the bass to midrange...not smooth at all. When soft the woofer is dominating the sound and when blasted loud the satellites distort leave the woofer behind by miles. The sound quality will really depend on the room enviroment too and will change on your listening position.

Altec Lansing Mx5021...hehe. Can smile edy wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif not too much sad.gif mx5021 well its THX certified so it generally sounds good but to me it could hav been better. The "presence" of the treble can get annoying. esp if u listen alot of rock,metal with alot of electric guitar or techno/rave music with alot of electronic sounds and ambient. If u're 3 or more meter frm the satellite its ok but if ure nearer it can get annoying after prolonged listening. For pop, rnb, rap the bass is very very well mannered but for techno the bass isnt tight enough for the oomph. However its perfect for movies. Placement of speaker and room enviroment is not so important cuz i think we can agree that all mx5021, if we stand 3 meters or more they tipically sound the same throughout the room. i think thts y it got THX certified wink.gif

well...to me thts how they sound...just my 2 cents loh.


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post Sep 20 2008, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Sep 19 2008, 11:10 PM)
sifus around help me abit

this bose c5 is meant to be a computer speaker that put very near you since u r going to sit near to your pc. how bout using it as movies/games on lcd tv?? since we r going to sit further from your tv and will the sound of this c5 be weakened??

haha hope u guys understand what im asking here..
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The front speakers ...left, center, right speakers usually sound best when their tweeters...(treble driver) is elevated to the same height as the listeners ears...keeping the center speaker near the same height as the left and right speakers would help also...for movies the rear speakers usually sound best when positioned higher than the front speakers but for music it sounds better when positioned at the same level.

However if i've not mistakend the bose c5 is a 2.1 speaker delivering 5.1 sound with virtual surround...it is usually done by using head-related transfer function (HRTF) or relections of the wall (like a sound projecter) it's really hard to explain how those works but here is a link that will help alot - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_surround -

...its not necessary the sound will weaken but the surround effects will definately change. Experiment on listening position and speaker placements for the best effects ^^


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post Sep 20 2008, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Sep 20 2008, 10:40 AM)
sifu andrew.. thanks for the explanation. now i learn something more from u guys im very happy. hmm.. dont know wan to get 5.1 with 2speaker or 5.1 with 5speaker. what do u guys advice if i truly wan to get surround sound effect??
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aiks?!?! i no sifu la....haha just sharing what i know. smile.gif well if u trully want surround sound i guess its better to get a true 5.1 setup because virtual surround will depend alot on the room settings (furniture,room size, and most importantly seating position and speaker placement...etc) of cos some of those really really high end virtual surround speakers will sound better than low end 5.1 speakers. really depends on your ears,i'd prefer something more natural than artificial for my ears to feast on biggrin.gif


Added on September 20, 2008, 9:31 pm
QUOTE(kenny79 @ Sep 20 2008, 09:42 AM)
any nice advice for budget rm 180-250
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in that budget....edifier m3300 has quite good clarity and dynamics but lacks depth/intensity for the bass, it will b good for softer type of songs, ex.classical, chinese music, celine dion, leona lewis, jay chou kind of songs. edifier m3400 has louder n fuller bass but lacks "presence/crispyness" in the treble zone so its better for techno, rnb, rap which requires heavier bass but u will lose some detail in the music because the midrange sounds rather "harsh". those two speaker stands out in the 180-250 budget. another one to consider is altec lansing vs4121, its better than the other two i mentioned in trance music and movies due to its bass characteristics...the best is to audition those speakers with the same music u prefer on all the three of them n compare lo smile.gif

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post Sep 20 2008, 10:47 PM

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For computer or home theater leh? Scared in wrong forum...lololol for computer, Logitech Z-5500 or G51... Those are seriously good for movie n games but musically not so good due to their strong bass and somewhat "thin/weak" midrange. No offence to those having those monster speakers they do rock xD ..but that is what i felt hearing those speakers side by side other speakers many times. hehe. if u talking about home theater i guess there are some really really good ones from yamaha and nakamichi.
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post Sep 20 2008, 11:06 PM

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it barely would loh...try to imagine this, no matter how much equaliser or stereo effects u try to put on a handphone's speaker, the difference will be minimal...cause of the speaker size n design. same with the lcd tv's speaker, those technologies are just to help enhance the sound up to a certain extent...it cant be extended anymore due to the physical limitations of the speakers mah... home theater nowadays got quite cheap one yet sound good smile.gif ...jus pay a visit to electronic store..HSL..Sengheng..Harvey Norman etc...u can find many already.
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post Jan 26 2009, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(Razzd @ Jan 24 2009, 12:34 AM)
For budget RM250, try to up it to RM300 from the CNY ang-pow smile.gif (RM295 to be exact) and buy the S330/S2.1M (updated price). It's S$125 from SLS - I was there 2 weeks ago. It will be soon to hit our shores at that price.
got some questions...
can tell me where exactly can i get this version of s330? what shop? whats SLS?
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post Jan 28 2009, 10:58 PM

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harloor...got samthing to ask... if i got 5.1 soundcard and 5.1 speaker... and i play mp3...will the sound be 5.1 or just 2.1? or is it different soundcard diferent sum 5.1 sum 2.1 for mp3?
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not 110W its 110v voltage...not W for Watts. In USA the voltage rating is different than in Malaysia, u must make sure that the speaker support 240V if not..the moment u power it on, the circuit might blow...
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post Mar 10 2009, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Mar 9 2009, 09:38 PM)
wanna ask
currently at australia n didn't bring my AL VS4121 speaker here..
so i plan to buy another at here n saw logitech X-530(or sth like tht) which is 5.1 speaker
price around AUD$103 so if malaysia will be around RM250
just wanna know is this logitech speaker nicer than my previous VS4121?n the price reasonable?
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i had a x-530 a few years ago..its definately better than vs4121, vocals are much more clearer and precise. bass is much more controlled and not so boomy too.

best is if u go test it 1st ... my 1st impression was clarity...the high frequency range, which make the vocal clear, bass is not as "oomph" as 4121 but i feel that it still sounds better. with 4121 i can only concentrate on the bass when listen, with x530 can concentrate on the overall music and instrument ; ) i was using audigy 2 platinum without any effects or EQ. and my room is quite alot of soft and wood furniture which absorb the high frequency and resonate the bass.
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post Mar 29 2009, 11:01 PM

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hi all...why does my m3400 subwoofer feel like it wana explode when i turn up the volume on tight bass songs? like the woofer produce some crunchy sound

...and the blue colour light on the remote control and front of woofer become dimmer when the bass hits lik boom boom boom then the light will (dim dim dim). Is it underpower?

Cos even when i play mariah carey songs slightly loud the woofer seems like it cannot take it, dont say other genre like hip hop, the woofer wana explode lik that!

any way to improve or solve this problem?

my woofer knob is about 65% full

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post Mar 30 2009, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Mar 29 2009, 11:28 PM)
means your M3400 cannot take it already la.. try edifier S730D.

u put your windows volume 100%? and then your main speaker knob how many %?
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but its still so soft >< windows is at 60% according to creative surround mixer, one bar above the middle on windows volume control. main speaker know about 75%. this speaker still quite soft due to its low-sensitivity input...

will changing capacitor and opamp make a difference? what is it that cause the woofer to crunch wor? cos i wana mod this speaker for louder and cleaner sound, preserving the same tone...but i need to know where to start rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Proclaimer @ Mar 30 2009, 01:37 AM)
m3400 is not meant to blast songs anyways.. Guess its time to upgrade.. Haha..

Bout the controller gets dimmer when there's heavy bass, i also experienced it with my previous S2.1M..
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icic...if upgrade what speaker u reccomend? something that is clear and can on loud. the problem with m3400 is loudness only...as i already modded my audigy soundcard with opamp and power capacitors, so clarity and dynamics is ok...

i tried C3, amazing clarity, but the bass not low and thick enuff... s2.1 can on loud ah? i test it at shop before, clarity nice, but i think the shop ppl put the woofer to max...making the bass overpower music, i didnt had a chance to blast it tho... actually i prefer the bass to be just enough to "support" the music, i'm not basshead. haha. but i need the loudness due to my room's acoustic....alot soft furniture....
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QUOTE(towkey @ Jul 4 2009, 09:03 PM)
Hi guyz,

Wanna ask sumthing on behalf of my friend, he is looking 4 a mid-end speaker set 4 his TV.
Usually wat is the price range 4 these? both of us hav zero knowledge in speakers...
So please recommend me n state the rough price tag...

Thanx  smile.gif
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TV? Does he need surround sound? or just 2 channel stereo?

if 2 channel low end 300+ mid end around 500+ high end 800++

if 5 channel low end also 300+ mid end not so sure, high end 1K++


btw, those i stated are multimedia speaker type, not home theater type...
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QUOTE(dantwt @ Jul 8 2009, 07:53 PM)
Thanks for the advice bro.

Will go check out m3300sf at Precess then walk to Swisspac to check out Logi Z4

Haha!  thumbup.gif
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Logitech Z4's bass will win M3300SF lah no matter what, Z4 bass so loose and it's quite low and smooth type...its not good for music but for inexperienced ears it will sound nice.

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post Jul 22 2009, 10:52 PM

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4x5 room really really small for s730 leh...scared got alot resonance and reverb problem...
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QUOTE(dlyz @ Jul 23 2009, 12:41 PM)
For me, all pc speakers are for close field listening. Yes, dont pick too big speaker for your room because it will overpower the room.

You guys boost S730 bass to +6.... i already can feel the pulse at +0  blink.gif Try listening at lower volumes. It will take some time to adjust but now i am former high volume listener.
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Bass +6?!?! blush.gif

Gila punya orang.... tongue.gif

Same here, former high volume listener...droped to moderate. Now, I only allow club speakers to destroy my ears... smile.gif
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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Jul 23 2009, 02:04 PM)
Those should be clubber, they always look for bass more than clarity, that's why a lot of speaker companies make speakers with bass>clarity coz they know those ppl will buy it anyway xD
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QUOTE(power911 @ Jul 27 2009, 02:44 PM)
a question here
comparing edifier s530 d and c3
s530 have more bass rite?
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wah last time u comparing s330 to c3... now wana go for s530 de? hehe tongue.gif
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post Aug 1 2009, 11:17 PM

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One shouldnt test speakers at PC Fair........worst place to test speakers...

Unless u looking for speaker for house parties every weekend rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(xk2 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:41 PM)
in female voice biggrin.gif totaly sweet and wet .. 
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Nice describing... sweet and wet... brows.gif brows.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

agree on that tho..

I think s330 sounds generally better. I find c3 sounds more sweet than s330 when auditioning it a few times...
S330 for me sounds more flat-ish AT THE SHOPS. Only drawback s330 has is, cannot fine tune the treble level...

Most shop like to put c3 at the bottom of the display rack.

Those speaker at the bottom can use wall behind and the floor underneath as a 90 degree corner to boost the bass. Just like how we put our woofers at a left/right corner...
This time its the floor and the wall behind it create a 90 degree reflector...

And they like to put s330 at chest-level... so the woofer only the back wall to boost the bass. No 90 degree corner. Plus the satellite put so near each ...

haih, can't someone design better display racks ><

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