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post Aug 29 2019, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(drowning @ Aug 29 2019, 02:28 PM)
Good idea. There are many poor children who don't have breakfast or don't have enough breakfast, and hopefully this will help them with the development.

And like all good plan, this one don't have any immediate effect you can see, but over the time, hopefully with the right nutrition, we can see increase in scores and other academic achievement.

And please plan for nutritionally sufficient breakfast. Not some mee goreng kosong.
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I'm shocked you just support communism.

Not that I'm against this breakfast program, just that I didn't expect someone with Trump avatar will agree with this.

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post Aug 29 2019, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 02:43 PM)
if b40 student plan also not effective, then what make it for ALL student plan will works?

just fix the b40 breakfast plan 1st.

1st malaysia already high debt as what PH said
then why want sponser and give free breakfast for those T20 student?
save some money focus on b40 student 1st cannot???

u said my comment does not make sense?
then ur comment make sense by giving free breakfast for T20 student when govt is in high debt? wow ok i am amaze
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i think you mean rural schools.

because i don't think you can check the income of all student family and decide who get the breakfast.
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post Aug 29 2019, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 02:50 PM)
why not?
i am sure during registration govt would know right?
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my point is very very clear, i support this program
BUT...BUT not for ALL student.


start slow 1st.....aim poor student.then only go for ALL.

dun jump when u cant even walk
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1. it took a huge resource to gather the income details of each family, which i think quite pointless here because I don't see the reason.

2. lets say in a class of 40, there's 5 students qualify for the B40 requirement, during breakfast time the teacher will bring 5 set of breakfast to the class and pass it to the 5 students. you know it's awkward and suddenly you are being labeled as B40 (aka poor kid). You need to consider the feeling of the students.

If really want to have breakfast, make the whole school can have it regardless of their income, if 40 kids in the class, prepare 40 set of breakfast and they can choose not to eat if they want. So this will not create a classification gap among them.

you can start with schools that need help the most (usually rural school) for testing.
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post Aug 29 2019, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 03:00 PM)
1st, i dun want govt use rakyat money to subsidize t20 group....
i am sure u dun want use tax money go subsidize some parent staying at tropicana landed salary 10k above punya kids....

2nd prepare 40, choose not to eat...so what happen to all this food? food wastage.... doh.gif
food wastage = money wastage...ur tax money down the drain

so why not really give / aim the b40

it wont take huge resources, the school has the data of family income when u register.
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1. the T20 will not go into public school, most likely they will be in private school with private teachers. I don't think we need to worry about them.

2. the food will not be wasted, the teacher can ask anyone who need it can bring it home, there's plenty of B10 (yes, those who worse than B40) will bring it back home for their family. The point is making sure all the kids felt they are equal and if got extra food who need it can bring home.

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post Aug 29 2019, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 03:09 PM)
1st...we dunno if t20 go to what school or not.
aint our debt high? so why are we giving to ALL...like i said now debt high as what LGE said...dun do all 1st cannot? start small n see if it works cannot?
until now we dun even know how is the food , who is the operator , where to eat for ALL student. why need so gung ho start so huge?
i dun want to see tax payer money goes to family with can afford accord n etc.

2.bring it home? the food was prepared midnight as it is prepare for hundreds of student.
bring home means noon time already...later basi...or food poison another issue pulak. doh.gif
i am not sure midnight prepare food can last until noon or not. hmm.gif  hmm.gif  and not every food can be done so hmm.gif
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1. if people are worry about debt, they can just test it on a few rural schools to see how it goes. Starting with a few rural schools is also start small what.

2. about food spoilage, it's always the challenge in any food preparation organisation, be it worker canteen or breakfast program. My suggestion it could be in a packaged bread + 1 box of milk, which for me can be safely bring back home and will not spoil.

Anyway, don't worry too much, it's just an idea and not even starting yet.

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post Aug 29 2019, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 03:13 PM)
is just a 1 time job to seperate only.
as the food programme is year long

dun they have all this in data / pc?
sort aje by income no? hmm.gif
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it's not 1 time job.

if the B40 parents next year increase salary become M40 .... so how?

if the M40 parents suddenly lost their job and no money .... so how?

it's very tedious to update who qualify and who not.

might as well give all the student breakfast in the same school.

rich kids parents also pay a lot of taxes to the government, and they don't deserve to have free breakfast as others?

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post Aug 29 2019, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 03:16 PM)
i thought they are starting next year already? still IDea? hmm.gif  hmm.gif
only left 4 mths to sort everything out laugh.gif

but as usual, sure many hiccup...tu la gung ho sangat
PETALING JAYA: Free breakfast will be served to children in primary schools throughout the country from January next year, Education Minister Maszlee Malik said today.

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2019/08/27...-starting-2020/
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see how first, probably next year the MoE also change head liao biggrin.gif

these ministers I tell you ... always hangat2 tahi ayam one, after 1 month they probably change their mind liao


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post Aug 29 2019, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 03:21 PM)
if govt can handle current BR1M

why not this? hmm.gif

let each school handle la, govt no need to stress as when parent register, they already fill up the income form
any changes...go update school la, apa susah
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I think the context is different here.

BR1M you apply privately for individual, gov will not chop on your face say you are B40.

but during breakfast time you will really see who can get the breakfast and who not, which is sometimes making the students feel uncomfortable like being announced they are poorfag.

so i disagree with income segregation



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post Aug 29 2019, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 03:28 PM)
but this segregation is not a NEW thing
current school some also have breakfast for hardcore poor.
so far no complain uncomfortable pun
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because when you are hardcore poor, you don't dare to complain when you receive the benefit.

else pipul will call you 'ungrateful brat'

but that doesn't mean they are not hurt when people looking at them while they receiving the 'B40 breakfast'


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post Aug 29 2019, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 03:59 PM)
and the school are providing breakfast to them
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they can just fill a form to their teacher to opt out.

if no one is filling the form, teacher will assume everyone is enlisted

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