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post Aug 29 2019, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 01:35 PM)
Why are people complaining about this? International studies have found kids in Malaysia to be super malnourished and stunting is worse than some places that are warzones.

This is one move I thought would be unequivocally praised but ada jugak people wanna complain.

Its as if some people have an agenda to burrukkan segalanya. :/
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did u read what ppl complain?
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post Aug 29 2019, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:09 PM)
Pray enlighten me what complaint makes sense and is valid.
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this project also got flaw
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QUOTE(ImUrDaddY @ Aug 29 2019, 02:12 PM)
true wat apahal mau butthurt?
if ur father left u the hutang sure u everyday go his grave fck him rite?
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which country no hutang?
even the great US of the A also hutang laugh.gif
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post Aug 29 2019, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:21 PM)
I repeat:
Pray enlighten me what complaint makes sense and is valid.
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like i pointed out in previous thread
should start with b40 student only, instead of ALL student.
already no money , why so gung ho start for ALL student , cannot start with b40 student 1st? then access how is everything before full launch

by doing this can also help not to strain govt budget , as b40 only breakfast would cost lower then breakfast for ALL student for now.
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QUOTE(raynman @ Aug 29 2019, 02:32 PM)
Why should B40 students' breakfast cost lower than ALL students?  unsure.gif
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aduh bro
what i mean is govt have limited money

so of course logically to PAY all b40 student breakfast cost is lower then pay ALL student breakfast la

b40 student (assume only 200k)
all student (all student in malaysia 900k)
so u tell me which 1 would cost lower?

seriously???? doh.gif

i ask u to pay for 1 person vs ask u to pay for 10 person
which 1 lower ? of course 1 person la aduiiiii
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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:40 PM)
B40 students plan already started long ago, its ineffective.

The study that prompted this came out this year. So idiots like you would want to stick with something that has been proven to not work ... OK. Despite the RMT program, Malaysian kids are suffering from stunting worse than kids in Palestine, which the study shows cuts across groups and isn't just limited to B40.

Nah, if you are just misinformed instead of being a moron, then you can read this:
https://www.malaymail.com/news/what-you-thi...rek-kok/1691833

So once again, I repeat:
Pray enlighten me what complaint makes sense and is valid.

You complaint is not only nonsensical and invalid but worse than that its a suggestion of something that's already being done and PROVEN to be bad. So pat yourself on the back for not only being stupid, but also redundant  thumbsup.gif
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if b40 student plan also not effective, then what make it for ALL student plan will works?

just fix the b40 breakfast plan 1st.

1st malaysia already high debt as what PH said
then why want sponser and give free breakfast for those T20 student?
save some money focus on b40 student 1st cannot???

u said my comment does not make sense?
then ur comment make sense by giving free breakfast for T20 student when govt is in high debt? wow ok i am amaze

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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:45 PM)
Wow, already spoonfeed you link and you never read?

The B40 plan is ineffective in solving the problem because of the target, not because the plan doesn't work.

I guess your limited capability for comprehension means you can't understand this concept.

Also, nah since link also you dunno how to click let me copy a relevant part of the article for you:
"While it is more prevalent among the poor, child stunting - which is an indicator for chronic malnutrition in children - cuts across all income levels in Malaysia. In 2016, 29.8 per cent of children below five years from households with less than RM1000 monthly income were stunted, while 17.4 percent of children in households earning more than RM 5000 were stunted – both figures significantly higher than the average 6.9 percent rate of other upper middle income countries. When it comes to obesity, research has shown that the prevalence of obesity rises with income. This means that tackling nutrition issues in children cannot be confined to only the B40 group."
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then how is giving free breakfast to ALL student effective? when b40 plan also fail?
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 29 2019, 02:46 PM)
i think you mean rural schools.

because i don't think you can check the income of all student family and decide who get the breakfast.
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why not?
i am sure during registration govt would know right?
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my point is very very clear, i support this program
BUT...BUT not for ALL student.


start slow 1st.....aim poor student.then only go for ALL.

dun jump when u cant even walk


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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:50 PM)
If wanna quote my post, at the very least attempt to read it.
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u still didnt answer my question.

why should govt give free breakfast to T20 student?
when money is limited...full stop
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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:55 PM)
Already did but you didn't read it, and then continually quoting my post with the answers already in them.

Like this means I have to take you back to kindergarten and teach you basic reading and then graduate to primary school and basic comprehension then after 12 years of schooling you from the basics come back to this thread and have you read and understand things?

Sorry lah, can't spend that much time on you.

Especially since its very likely even after that you'd still end up where you are, because you already went through all this once before and managed to fail at life already.  sweat.gif
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those t20 group children doesnt deserve govt subsidies la bro doh.gif
they are t20 le.....

u want use rakyat money to subsidize anak Ananda krishnan? cucu vincent tan ke? doh.gif

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 29 2019, 02:57 PM)
1. it took a huge resource to gather the income details of each family, which i think quite pointless here because I don't see the reason.

2. lets say in a class of 40, there's 5 students qualify for the B40 requirement, during breakfast time the teacher will bring 5 set of breakfast to the class and pass it to the 5 students. you know it's awkward and suddenly you are being labeled as B40 (aka poor kid). You need to consider the feeling of the students.

If really want to have breakfast, make the whole school can have it regardless of their income, if 40 kids in the class, prepare 40 set of breakfast and they can choose not to eat if they want. So this will not create a classification gap among them.

you can start with schools that need help the most (usually rural school) for testing.
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1st, i dun want govt use rakyat money to subsidize t20 group....
i am sure u dun want use tax money go subsidize some parent staying at tropicana landed salary 10k above punya kids....

2nd prepare 40, choose not to eat...so what happen to all this food? food wastage.... doh.gif
food wastage = money wastage...ur tax money down the drain

so why not really give / aim the b40

it wont take huge resources, the school has the data of family income when u register.
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QUOTE(ImUrDaddY @ Aug 29 2019, 02:57 PM)
maybe becuz u need a mechanism to differentiate/segregate them.. & u need money to do this & another additional cost might as well give to all.. further more they are still kids.. lets feed them all.
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school got parent data of income when registration la bro
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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:59 PM)
wah macibai how many times I have to keep posting this.

Also anak AK and cucu VT semua studying in gomen schools ke? Lowly BN ministers also send kids to private school, sohai like you think AK punya anak is studying in SK?  rclxms.gif

Also, first you say only do with B40, now you talking about T20? The people in the middle suddenly disappear liao?  biggrin.gif
Its almost as if you have an agenda... Oh wait now we're back at my first post in this topic  icon_idea.gif
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t20 also send kids to SK

go park around SK during morning time
see those parent all drive what car
thx for ur subsidize laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 29 2019, 03:05 PM)
1. the T20 will not go into public school, most likely they will be in private school with private teachers. I don't think we need to worry about them.

2. the food will not be wasted, the teacher can ask anyone who need it can bring it home, there's plenty of B10 (yes, those who worse than B40) will bring it back home for their family. The point is making sure all the kids felt they are equal and if got extra food who need it can bring home.
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1st...we dunno if t20 go to what school or not.
aint our debt high? so why are we giving to ALL...like i said now debt high as what LGE said...dun do all 1st cannot? start small n see if it works cannot?
until now we dun even know how is the food , who is the operator , where to eat for ALL student. why need so gung ho start so huge?
i dun want to see tax payer money goes to family with can afford accord n etc.

2.bring it home? the food was prepared midnight as it is prepare for hundreds of student.
bring home means noon time already...later basi...or food poison another issue pulak. doh.gif
i am not sure midnight prepare food can last until noon or not. hmm.gif hmm.gif and not every food can be done so hmm.gif

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QUOTE(ImUrDaddY @ Aug 29 2019, 03:12 PM)
still an additional task/procedures rite? wanna further burden the school ppl?
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is just a 1 time job to seperate only.
as the food programme is year long

dun they have all this in data / pc?
sort aje by income no? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 29 2019, 03:15 PM)
1. if people are worry about debt, they can just test it on a few rural schools to see how it goes. Starting with a few rural schools is also start small what.

2. about food spoilage, it's always the challenge in any food preparation organisation, be it worker canteen or breakfast program. My suggestion it could be in a packaged bread + 1 box of milk, which for me can be safely bring back home and will not spoil.

Anyway, don't worry too much, it's just an idea and not even starting yet.
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i thought they are starting next year already? still IDea? hmm.gif hmm.gif
only left 4 mths to sort everything out laugh.gif

but as usual, sure many hiccup...tu la gung ho sangat


PETALING JAYA: Free breakfast will be served to children in primary schools throughout the country from January next year, Education Minister Maszlee Malik said today.

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2019/08/27...-starting-2020/

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 29 2019, 03:19 PM)
it's not 1 time job.

if the B40 parents next year increase salary become M40 .... so how?

if the M40 parents suddenly lost their job and no money .... so how?

it's very tedious to update who qualify and who not.

might as well give all the student breakfast in the same school.

rich kids parents also pay a lot of taxes to the government, and they don't deserve to have free breakfast as others?
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if govt can handle current BR1M

why not this? hmm.gif

let each school handle la, govt no need to stress as when parent register, they already fill up the income form
any changes...go update school la, apa susah
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QUOTE(ImUrDaddY @ Aug 29 2019, 03:18 PM)
thinking about if got changes In parents income, go to makcik canteen show card makan free?budak lupa how?
I think wateva additional hassle of monitoring can be exclude if all are given..and also pretty sure we do not want students to feel rendah diri when they get it free cuz  parents earn lesser than their peers.. u know students now days pandai compare who earn more, who drive wat car, my father richer than ur father bla blalba… do not want to create such dividing standards .
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only left 4 mths to prepare all issue of all breakfast to all student.
good luck brows.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 29 2019, 03:21 PM)
see how first, probably next year the MoE also change head liao  biggrin.gif

these ministers I tell you ... always hangat2 tahi ayam one, after 1 month they probably change their mind liao
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i am sure now tender semua sudah out...cause left 4 mths only leh

unless U turn la laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ImUrDaddY @ Aug 29 2019, 03:25 PM)
this is another issue.. stick to the original issue we are debating , which is why t20 also include yada2 why not only b40 .
lol
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this 1 debate until tmr also no conclusion

i have stated my point
whether everyone agree or not is up to u all laugh.gif

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