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post Aug 29 2019, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 29 2019, 02:46 PM)
i think you mean rural schools.

because i don't think you can check the income of all student family and decide who get the breakfast.
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why not?
i am sure during registration govt would know right?
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my point is very very clear, i support this program
BUT...BUT not for ALL student.


start slow 1st.....aim poor student.then only go for ALL.

dun jump when u cant even walk


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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 02:46 PM)
then how is giving free breakfast to ALL student effective? when b40 plan also fail?
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If wanna quote my post, at the very least attempt to read it.
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post Aug 29 2019, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 02:50 PM)
why not?
i am sure during registration govt would know right?
hmm.gif

my point is very very clear, i support this program
BUT...BUT not for ALL student.


start slow 1st.....aim poor student.then only go for ALL.

dun jump when u cant even walk
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"While it is more prevalent among the poor, child stunting - which is an indicator for chronic malnutrition in children - cuts across all income levels in Malaysia. In 2016, 29.8 per cent of children below five years from households with less than RM1000 monthly income were stunted, while 17.4 percent of children in households earning more than RM 5000 were stunted – both figures significantly higher than the average 6.9 percent rate of other upper middle income countries. When it comes to obesity, research has shown that the prevalence of obesity rises with income. This means that tackling nutrition issues in children cannot be confined to only the B40 group."

Tak boleh paham kah? Need to translate into broken shitty english for you?
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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:50 PM)
If wanna quote my post, at the very least attempt to read it.
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u still didnt answer my question.

why should govt give free breakfast to T20 student?
when money is limited...full stop
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post Aug 29 2019, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 02:25 PM)
like i pointed out in previous thread
should start with b40 student only, instead of ALL student.
already no money , why so gung ho start for ALL student , cannot start with b40 student 1st? then access how is everything before full launch

by doing this can also help not to strain govt budget , as b40 only breakfast would cost lower then breakfast for ALL student for now.
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got money but refinance delay 1mdb hutang to another 50yrs repayment schedule lar

dulu siapa suruh lanunku cilok sampai nak bankrap
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post Aug 29 2019, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Newsray @ Aug 29 2019, 02:02 PM)
See see, setiap murid dpt nasi lemak sebungkus.
Inside include 2 ekor ikan bilis, telur potong 1/16 and nasi 2 sudu penuh.
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Were back to square one. Can we get Agent 47?
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QUOTE(frossonice @ Aug 29 2019, 02:49 PM)
Poor farmers more important than our future generation. Noted WKS. Excellent logic.
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wait for misquoted news, mangsa fitnah ph etc.
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post Aug 29 2019, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 02:51 PM)
u still didnt answer my question.

why should govt give free breakfast to T20 student?
when money is limited...full stop
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Already did but you didn't read it, and then continually quoting my post with the answers already in them.

Like this means I have to take you back to kindergarten and teach you basic reading and then graduate to primary school and basic comprehension then after 12 years of schooling you from the basics come back to this thread and have you read and understand things?

Sorry lah, can't spend that much time on you.

Especially since its very likely even after that you'd still end up where you are, because you already went through all this once before and managed to fail at life already. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Aug 29 2019, 02:19 PM)
No la, what for?

There are instruments in place to take care of the debt(s) left behind.

If PH was so eager to be government, then just govern la, no need to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Kejap no money, kejap ada. Then all "privatized".

I'm all for the breakfast at schools, it's a good move, especially for the poorer families.

But the same old excuse has to stop la.
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looks like the so call procedure in place suggested by u is not working,, if it works we will not b in shit like rite now..
any instrument also need ppl to execute it ok.
then good support;s whats good.
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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:55 PM)
Already did but you didn't read it, and then continually quoting my post with the answers already in them.

Like this means I have to take you back to kindergarten and teach you basic reading and then graduate to primary school and basic comprehension then after 12 years of schooling you from the basics come back to this thread and have you read and understand things?

Sorry lah, can't spend that much time on you.

Especially since its very likely even after that you'd still end up where you are, because you already went through all this once before and managed to fail at life already.  sweat.gif
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those t20 group children doesnt deserve govt subsidies la bro doh.gif
they are t20 le.....

u want use rakyat money to subsidize anak Ananda krishnan? cucu vincent tan ke? doh.gif

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i think they 1 implement the school like Japan

free breakfast in morning..
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 02:50 PM)
why not?
i am sure during registration govt would know right?
hmm.gif

my point is very very clear, i support this program
BUT...BUT not for ALL student.


start slow 1st.....aim poor student.then only go for ALL.

dun jump when u cant even walk
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1. it took a huge resource to gather the income details of each family, which i think quite pointless here because I don't see the reason.

2. lets say in a class of 40, there's 5 students qualify for the B40 requirement, during breakfast time the teacher will bring 5 set of breakfast to the class and pass it to the 5 students. you know it's awkward and suddenly you are being labeled as B40 (aka poor kid). You need to consider the feeling of the students.

If really want to have breakfast, make the whole school can have it regardless of their income, if 40 kids in the class, prepare 40 set of breakfast and they can choose not to eat if they want. So this will not create a classification gap among them.

you can start with schools that need help the most (usually rural school) for testing.
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 02:51 PM)
u still didnt answer my question.

why should govt give free breakfast to T20 student?
when money is limited...full stop
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maybe becuz u need a mechanism to differentiate/segregate them.. & u need money to do this & another additional cost might as well give to all.. further more they are still kids.. lets feed them all.

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After MOE printing new text book project, MOE will spend on free breakfast project.....wonder who will get all the project.

Each Bersatu Ketua Bahagian will get a project each?
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Aug 29 2019, 02:57 PM)
those t20 group children doesnt deserve govt subsidies la bro doh.gif
they are t20 le.....

u want use rakyat money to subsidize anak Ananda krishnan? cucu vincent tan ke? doh.gif
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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:51 PM)
"While it is more prevalent among the poor, child stunting - which is an indicator for chronic malnutrition in children - cuts across all income levels in Malaysia. In 2016, 29.8 per cent of children below five years from households with less than RM1000 monthly income were stunted, while 17.4 percent of children in households earning more than RM 5000 were stunted – both figures significantly higher than the average 6.9 percent rate of other upper middle income countries. When it comes to obesity, research has shown that the prevalence of obesity rises with income. This means that tackling nutrition issues in children cannot be confined to only the B40 group."

Tak boleh paham kah? Need to translate into broken shitty english for you?
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wah macibai how many times I have to keep posting this.

Also anak AK and cucu VT semua studying in gomen schools ke? Lowly BN ministers also send kids to private school, sohai like you think AK punya anak is studying in SK? rclxms.gif

Also, first you say only do with B40, now you talking about T20? The people in the middle suddenly disappear liao? biggrin.gif
Its almost as if you have an agenda... Oh wait now we're back at my first post in this topic icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 29 2019, 02:57 PM)
1. it took a huge resource to gather the income details of each family, which i think quite pointless here because I don't see the reason.

2. lets say in a class of 40, there's 5 students qualify for the B40 requirement, during breakfast time the teacher will bring 5 set of breakfast to the class and pass it to the 5 students. you know it's awkward and suddenly you are being labeled as B40 (aka poor kid). You need to consider the feeling of the students.

If really want to have breakfast, make the whole school can have it regardless of their income, if 40 kids in the class, prepare 40 set of breakfast and they can choose not to eat if they want. So this will not create a classification gap among them.

you can start with schools that need help the most (usually rural school) for testing.
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1st, i dun want govt use rakyat money to subsidize t20 group....
i am sure u dun want use tax money go subsidize some parent staying at tropicana landed salary 10k above punya kids....

2nd prepare 40, choose not to eat...so what happen to all this food? food wastage.... doh.gif
food wastage = money wastage...ur tax money down the drain

so why not really give / aim the b40

it wont take huge resources, the school has the data of family income when u register.
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post Aug 29 2019, 03:01 PM

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Ketua-ketua bahagian BERSATU, cawangan perlu diberi projek

PUTRAJAYA 30 Dis. - Naib Presiden Bersatu, Tan Sri Abdul Rashid Abdul Rahman mencadangkan agar ketua-ketua bahagian dan ketua-ketua cawangan Parti Pribumi Bersatu Malaysia (Bersatu) diberikan projek kerajaan.


Beliau menegaskan, ketua-ketua itu perlu memperoleh lebih wang dan peluang bagi membolehkan mereka mempertahankan kemenangan parti dan Pakatan Harapan (PH) pada pilihan raya akan datang.

"Dalam pilihan raya kita kena menang by hook or by crook (dengan apa cara sekali pun). Saya tengok dalam keadaan sekarang, kita tak dapat pertahan kedudukan sebagai pemerintah. Ketua bahagian ditinggalkan begitu saja.


https://www.utusan.com.my/berita/politik/ke...projek-1.813074

PS: No wonder MOE got so many ideas recently. LOL




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QUOTE(ImUrDaddY @ Aug 29 2019, 02:57 PM)
maybe becuz u need a mechanism to differentiate/segregate them.. & u need money to do this & another additional cost might as well give to all.. further more they are still kids.. lets feed them all.
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school got parent data of income when registration la bro
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QUOTE(RViN @ Aug 29 2019, 02:59 PM)
wah macibai how many times I have to keep posting this.

Also anak AK and cucu VT semua studying in gomen schools ke? Lowly BN ministers also send kids to private school, sohai like you think AK punya anak is studying in SK?  rclxms.gif

Also, first you say only do with B40, now you talking about T20? The people in the middle suddenly disappear liao?  biggrin.gif
Its almost as if you have an agenda... Oh wait now we're back at my first post in this topic  icon_idea.gif
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t20 also send kids to SK

go park around SK during morning time
see those parent all drive what car
thx for ur subsidize laugh.gif
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post Aug 29 2019, 03:04 PM

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Anyway for all you people taking the moron's suggestion in here to segregate kids and only give them ... read the article I linked.

There are reasons why that doesn't work, the most easily understandable one is when you segregate kids they tend not to take up the optional plan.

Why? You say this thing is only for those poor kids ... you think all the kids gonna be happy go there and announce to everyone they are poor and get made fun of? This is something the studies done have seen happens everywhere, limiting the effectiveness of projects like this.

ON TOP OF THAT, in Malaysia the stunting problem cuts across classes, its not only the B40 that are affected badly, but also the M40. So removing the segregation and making it available for all will not only help the people who currently arent covered, BUT ALSO those who are already eligible by removing the stigma.

This all makes perfect sense. If you can read lah, which some people here have proven they are incapable of.

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