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In his opening statement at former premier Najib Abdul Razak's 1MDB trial, lead prosecutor Gopal Sri Ram outlined how an elaborate charade was acted out in four phases.

The lawyer said the accused's ultimate aim was to obtain gratification for himself and had succeeded in achieving this.

“An elaborate charade was employed. It was acted out in four phases in which several characters played a part. But it was the accused who played the pivotal role. His objective was to enrich himself.

“Although this case concerns four phases, the events in respect of them are to be considered as part of a consecutive story because of the pre-arranged plan by the accused to enrich himself,” he told the Kuala Lumpur High Court this morning.

Sri Ram also revealed that an important character in this charade was fugitive businessperson Jho Low, whom he described as Najib's “alter ego and mirror image.”

Below is the opening statement in full:

1. This case concerns the monies of a company called 1Malaysia Development Berhad widely known as 1MDB. It was originally called Terengganu Investment Authority of TIA. The accused was instrumental in changing its name to 1MDB. He also caused amendments to be made to the articles of the company to place himself in sole control of important matters concerning the business and affairs of the company. In short, he was its plenipotentiary.

Additionally, he was the chairperson of the company's board of advisers. He used that position and that of the prime minister and minister of finance to do certain acts and to exert influence over the board of 1MDB to carry out certain abnormal transactions with undue haste. The ultimate aim of the accused was to obtain gratification for himself. He succeeded in achieving that aim.

2. An elaborate charade was employed. It was acted out in four phases in which several characters played a part. But it was the accused who played the pivotal role. His objective was to enrich himself.

3. Although this case concerns four phases, the events in respect of them are to be considered as part of a consecutive story because of the pre-arranged plan by the accused to enrich himself.


4. An important character in the charade is a man called Low Taek Jho or Jho Low. He is a fugitive from justice. He was involved in TIA and later in 1MDB. The prosecution will prove that the accused by his words and conduct made it clear to 1MDB’s officers, its board and others that Jho Low was his alter ego. In truth, Jho Low was the accused's mirror image.

The prosecution will establish facts which will give rise to an irresistible inference that Jho Low and the accused acted like one at all material times.

5. The four charges under Section 23 of the MACC Act are in respect of each of the four phases.

In respect of these charges, the prosecution will prove, through direct and circumstantial evidence that the accused, first in his capacity as the deputy prime minister and minister of finance, and later as prime minister and minister of finance, took several steps that led to part of 1MDB's funds being channeled into his account through a circuitous route to prevent detection of its source.

The accused thereby used his position for gratification. In each of the phases, the accused acted as one with Jho Low.

6. The first phase concerns the scenario of a so-called joint venture created by the accused (acting through Jho Low and one Tarik Obaid, a close associate of Jho Low). It was a false scenario of a joint venture between 1MDB and a company called PetroSaudi International Ltd or PSI. It was called Project Aria. In the first phase, the scene worked in the following way.

7. 1MDB borrowed US$1 billion purportedly to invest in a joint venture company called 1MDB Petro Saudi Ltd. The money was to be paid into the account of the joint venture company. Petro Saudi International took up to 60 percent of the shares in the allegedly joint venture by injecting certain assets of dubious value.

The US$1 billion was to represent 1MDB's contribution to its 40 percent shareholding. But the so-called joint venture agreement was entered into not with PSI but with a company called Petro Saudi Holdings (Cayman) Ltd. And it was Tarik Obaid who executed the agreement on behalf of PetroSaudi Holding (Cayman) Ltd.

Evidence will be led to show the abnormality of the so-called joint venture which close scrutiny will reveal to be a mere device to siphon 1MDB's money for the accused’s benefit.

8. The prosecution will, through oral and documentary evidence, prove that US$700 million of the US$1 billion, instead of being paid into the joint venture company's account, was diverted by the accused into a company called Good Star Ltd which in truth had nothing whatsoever to do with the joint venture. It was incorporated in Seychelles on May 18, 2009, that is to say, five months before the joint venture agreement was entered into. It was a company owned and controlled by Jho Low.

9. The payment of Good Star was made in great haste and without approval from 1MDB's board of directors and in defiance of its directions. Good Star was falsely described as the wholly-owned subsidiary of PSI (Petro Saudi International). The payment to Good Star, was vouched for the accused through Jho Low as monies owned by the joint venture agreement referred to a loan payable by the joint venture agreement referred to a loan payable by the joint venture company to PetroSaudi Holdings (Cayman).

The prosecution will through documents show that the so-called loan was a sham employed to justify the payment to Good Star.

10. In March 2010, 1MDB entered into a so-called Murabaha financing agreement under the terms of which alleged US$1 billion equity in the joint venture company was converted into useless Murabaha notes and 1MDB was required to make available to the joint venture company a sum of US$1.5billion. In September 2010, a sum of US$500 million was sent to the joint venture company. This money has gone missing.

Then in May 2011, a further sum of US$330 million, which was supposed to be the second tranche of the investment into the Murabaha financing, was diverted to Good Star. The accused took positive steps to put through this transaction.

11. From the original sum of US$700 million, sums of money were disbursed by Good Star to several persons including one Prince Faisal, a close associate of the accused, Jho Low and one Prince Turki.

Prince Turki, the accused and Jho Low were so close that they holidayed together on a yacht in the south of France. Prince Faisal received US$12,500,000 from Good Star on Feb 18, 2011. He received a further sum of US$12 million from Good Star on June 10, 2011, which came from the Murabaha scam.

From these sums, he transmitted US$20 million to the accused's personal account in two tranches of US$10 million each. The first tranche was received by the accused on Feb 24, 2011, that is to say, six days after Faisal received the money. The accused received the second tranche on June 14, 2011, that is to say, four days after Faisal received the money. The US$20 million amounts to an equivalent of RM60,629,839.43. This forms the subject matter of the first charge.

12. The first phase came to an end in 2012 with 1MDB holding worthless pieces of paper. The scam having been achieved, Good Star was wound up on May 2, 2014, and PetroSaudi International was wound up on April 8, 2015.

13. The second phase concerns the acquisition of assets of dubious value by 1MDB. The accused, using his position and acting through his mirror image Jho Low, took positive steps and caused 1MDB to enter into two transactions as a result of which the accused obtained a sum of RM90,899,927.28 as gratification. This forms the subject matter of the second charge.

14. These two transactions concerned the acquisition of two independent power producers namely, Tanjong Energy Holdings Sdn Bhd and Mastika Lagenda Sdn Bhd. Mastika owned 75 percent shares in Genting Sanyen Sdn Bhd. To make the purchase, 1MDB acted through its subsidiaries 1MDB Energy Holdings Ltd, 1MDB Energy Ltd and 1MDB Energy (Langat) Ltd (all Labuan companies) as well as through Malaysian registered companies, namely, 1MDB Energy Sdn Bhd and 1MDB Energy (Langat). These companies were used to raise finance for both acquisitions.

15. I now take each acquisition separately. A local bridging loan of RM6.17 billion was raised for the acquisition of Tanjong Energy. An additional sum of US$1.75 billion was raised through the issue of 10-year structured loan notes. Goldman Sachs was appointed as lead arranger for the issuance of these notes.

16. Of the US$1.75 billion, US$786 million went to Tanjong Energy. Of the balance, a sum of US$907 million was paid into the account of 1MDB Energy Ltd with Falcon Bank in Hong Kong. Of this sum, approximately US$577 million in round figures went to Aabar Investments PJS Ltd (BVI).

This payment was purportedly as a security deposit for Aabar’s holding company IPIC issuing a guarantee, guaranteeing the notes. In addition to the security deposit, Aabar was also given an option to take up 49 percent of shares owned by 1MDB Energy Ltd in 1MDB Energy Sdn Bhd.


On May 22, 2012, US$295 million was paid by Aabar to a company called Blackstone Asia. Blackstone is a company controlled by Jho Low through his associate Tan Kim Loong, also known as Eric Tan. He is also a fugitive from justice. Additionally, on July 25, 2012, a further sum of US$133 million was transferred by Aabar to Blackstone. These monies remained with Blackstone until October 2012. Goldman Sachs was paid US$192.5 million in arranger's fee for this bond issuance.

17. For the Mastika acquisition, the alleged purchase price was RM2.75 billion. The money for this came from two sources. First, another10-year structured loan notes of US$1.75 billion. For this, 1MDB paid Goldman Sachs US$110 million in arranger's fee. So, 1MDB got a nett sum of US$1.64 billion. This sum was paid into 1MDB Energy (Langat) Ltd's account with Falcon Bank, Hong Kong.

The second was a local loan of RM700 million. The total loan raised from these two sources was about RM6.16 billion. There was, therefore, an available excess of RM3 billion. This excess was almost wiped out by a payment on Oct 23, 2012 to Aabar Investment PJS (BVI) of a sum of approximately USD790 million in round figures as a security deposit for Aabar's holding company IPIC for allegedly guaranteeing the repayment of the notes.

As additional security, Aabar was given an option to take up 49 percent shares owned by 1MDB Energy (Langat) Ltd in 1MDB Energy (Langat) Sdn Bhd. For the Mastika acquisition, Genting Power was paid US$710 million. The loan raised through the notes for the Mastika purchase came into 1MDB Energy (Langat) Ltd’s account on Oct 19, 2012.

18. On Oct 23, 2012, Aabar paid a sum of approximately US$291 million in round figures to Cistenique Investment Fund or CIF. On the same day, Aabar paid US$76 million to Enterprise Emerging Markets Fund (EEMF). On Oct 23, 2012, Aabar paid US$75 million to Blackstone. This was part of the US$790 million paid to Aabar.

Later, Nov 5, 2012, Aabar paid a further sum of US$96 million to EEMF. Soon after CIF and EEMF received the monies in question, they paid it to Blackstone. These monies were then channelled by Blackstone into the accused’s account as follows.

19. On Oct 30, 2012, a sum of US$5 million was paid into the accused’s account at AmPrivate Bank. Then, on Nov 19, a sum of US$25 million was paid into the accused’s account. The total sum received by the accused in the second phase is set out in the amended second charge.

Evidence will be led to show how financial layering took place to provide a false justification for the movement of the monies. So much for the second phase.

20. The third phase concerns another purported joint venture between 1MDB and Aabar in equal shares. The joint venture company was called ADMIC. This forms the subject matter of the third charge. The purpose of this alleged joint venture was to develop TRX or the Tun Razak Exchange in Kuala Lumpur.

IPIC was to guarantee Aabar's investment. The Ministry of Finance of which the accused was minister guaranteed 1MDB's investment by way of a letter of support. A loan of US$3 billion was raised for this alleged purpose. Goldman Sachs acted as the arranger of the loan.

21. On March 14, 2013, the accused signed a letter of support to raise a loan through the issue of bonds by 1MDB from the Bank of New York Mellon Group in the sum of US$3 billion. On March 19, 2013, a sum of US$2.721 billion was disbursed into the account of 1MBD Global Investment Limited with the BSI Bank at Lugano in Switzerland. The balance went to pay the fee of Goldman Sachs.

22. From the US$2.721 billion, a sum of US$1,060,606,065 was paid into the account of two fiduciary funds, namely, Devonshire Funds Ltd and EEMF. Devonshire received US$646,464,649 in five tranches over two days, that is to say, on March 20 and 21, 2013. EEMF received US$414,141,416 in three tranches, also within two days, that is, March 20 and 21, 2013.

23. On March 21, 2013, Devonshire transferred US$430 million to Granton Property Holdings Ltd which is a company controlled by Eric Tan, Jho Low’s shadow. On the same day, Granton transferred the whole of that sum to Tanore Finance also a company controlled by Eric Tan.

Also, on the same day, that is to say, March 21, 2013, Devonshire transferred a sum of US$210 million to Tanore Finance Corporation. Then, between March 22, 2013 and March 25, 2013, EEMF transferred US$250 million to Tanore which therefore by that date had US$890 million in its hands.

24. Between March 21, 2013 and April 10, 2013, Tanore transferred US$681 million to the accused's account. In terms of our currency, this amounted to RM2,081,476,926. This sum forms the subject matter of the amended third charge.

25. Based on the evidence that the prosecution will adduce, the so-called joint venture never took off. There was no investment and there was no true joint venture. It was all a sham. This concludes the third phase.

26. The fourth phase concerns the purchase of the Aabar options by 1MDB. These are the options that were given to Aabar in 2012 as allegedly part of the consideration for IPIC’s guarantee for the notes that raised US$3.5 billion forming part of the second phase.

27. In May and August 2014, 1MDB through its subsidiary 1MDB Energy Holdings Ltd obtained two loans totalling US$1.225 billion from Deutsche Bank Singapore. The accused approved this transaction. The loans were secured by guarantees provided by 1MDB Energy and 1MDB Langat.

There was a bridging loan of US$250 million and a facility loan of US$975 million. The first loan of US$250 million was made available on May 26, 2014. From this amount, a sum of US$239,939,970 was paid into 1MDB Energy Holdings Ltd’s account with Falcon Bank Hong Kong on 28 May 2014. Of this sum, Energy Holdings paid Aabar Investments PJS Ltd BVI US$175 million to its account in BSI Lugano, Switzerland allegedly to part redeem the option given as additional security that was mentioned earlier when dealing with the second phase.

28. From the sum of US$175 million, a sum of US$19 million was paid by Aabar to the account of a company called Affinity Equity International Partners Ltd. The payment was made on June 18, 2014. The account was held at DBS Bank Ltd Singapore. Affinity Equity is controlled by Eric Tan. Of the US$19 million, a sum of US$1.89 million was transferred to a company called Blackrock Commodities (Global) Ltd at its account held in DBS. Blackrock is a company controlled by Eric Tan. On June 23, 2014, a sum of GBP750,000 was transferred to the accused’s account. This works out to RM4,093,500.

29. I now turn to the second loan of US$975 million which was made available on Sept 1, 2014. Of this sum, US$250 million was utilised to discharge the bridging loan. That left US$25 million. On Sept 3, a sum of US$223,333,000 was transferred to Aabar Investments PJS Ltd (incorporated in Seychelles) at its account with UBS Singapore. Then, on Sept 30, 2014, US$457,984,607 was paid to Aabar Investments PJS Ltd (incorporated in Seychelles) at its account with UBS Singapore.

Between Oct 16, 2014 and Nov 17, 2014, Aabar transferred a sum of US$226 million to Aabar International Investment PJS Ltd to its account in Barbados. Between Oct 16, 2014 and Nov 17, 2014, Aabar Barbados transferred US$225,500,000 to Vista Equity International Partners Ltd (Barbados), a company owned and controlled by Eric Tan. Between Oct 23, 2014 and Dec 19, 2014, Vista Equity through five tranches in sterling currency transferred a sum equivalent to RM45,837,485.70 to the accused’s account. This sum together with the RM4,093,500 earlier mentioned forms the subject of the fourth charge. It follows that part of the sum alleged to be used to redeem the option ended up in the accused’s account. So much for the fourth phase.

30. I now turn to the 21 charges for money laundering offences. These are the AMLA charges.

The first nine charges relate to receiving of the RM2,081,476,926 which forms the subject matter of the amended third charge. The monies fell into the accused’s account ending 9694 with AmIslamic Bank. Between Aug 2, 2013 and Aug 23, 2013, the accused transferred a sum of RM2,034,350,000 to Tanore Singapore.

Simultaneously, the accused used the balance of RM22,649,000 to pay four entities and one individual. The prosecution's case is that all these payments benefitted the accused.

31. After making these payments, the accused transferred the balance into a new account ending 1880 with AmBank through two transfers amounting RM162,436,711.87. He closed his account ending 9694.

32. The 10th charge and charges 16 to 19 relate to the transfers made by the accused to Tanore involving RM2,034,350,000.

33. Charges 11 to 15 concern the use by the accused of the funds earlier referred to through payments to the four entities and one individual. All these payments were made by cheques signed by the accused.

34. Charges 20 and 21 concern the transfer of funds from the 9694 account to the 1880 account.

35. In this latter part of the case, the prosecution will establish the AMLA charges through direct and circumstantial evidence. It will be proved that in all the circumstances of the case, the accused committed the offence of money laundering contrary to Section 4(1)(a) of the Anti-Money Laundering and Anti-Terrorism Financing Act 2001 (Amlatfa).

36. After the 1MDB scandal broke in early July 2015, the accused with his mirror image Jho Low took steps to cover his tracks. Sham documents were produced to pretend a donation from an Arab prince. Among these were letters and four cheques each for a sum of US$25 million purportedly written out by a person said to be the Arab donor. But these cheques were never meant to be encashed and were never encashed.

37. The prosecution will also produce evidence to show that the accused took active steps to evade justice. He interfered with the course of the investigation of this case which has come to be known as the 1MDB scandal.

He took active steps to effect a cover-up of his criminal acts. The prosecution will rely on all this evidence to show that the accused had the requisite mens rea when the offences with which he is charged were committed.

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Fuhhh, but still I don’t think need tldr version, Cause many already knows the whole story
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Aug 28 2019, 01:48 PM)
tldr for PASU macais:

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tldr for PASU macais:

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no wonder die die wanted to remove Sri Ram as persecutor.

lulz, now we know why. smile.gif
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i read all of it and is still confused, the money trails are like a fucking spider web, truly headache.


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Always lovely to watch world class level lawyer in action. They way Sri Ram laid out the case and how he packaged it.... multiple mental orgasms!!!
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He took active steps to effect a cover-up of his criminal acts. The prosecution will rely on all this evidence to show that the accused had the requisite mens rea when the offences with which he is charged were committed.
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The only Charades that I know off..

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probably all this will not surface at all if bn has won ge14..
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all this wont surface if one justo got the money he asked for
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Initially I did not understand why Shafee and Najib were so afraid of Gopal Sri Ram leading the charge as lead public prosecutor in the 1MDB trial.

Now I know why. biggrin.gif
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even if justo reveal all, still if bn cling to power, they will deny all wrong doing, when ag and igp is on their side, nothing can go wrong.
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Initially I did not understand why Shafee and Najib were so afraid of Gopal Sri Ram leading the charge as lead public prosecutor in the 1MDB trial.

Now I know why.  biggrin.gif
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He will pull out his sekret move.
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If this was viewed through a racial lens:

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hahaha no wonder shafee and najib so scare of sri ram must have nightmare when sleep tonight haahaha after today explosive opening statement.
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Aug 28 2019, 02:44 PM)
Desperate Times Call for Desperate Measures.
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QUOTE(thxxht @ Aug 28 2019, 02:13 PM)
i read all of it and is still confused, the money trails are like a fucking spider web, truly headache.
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the thing is layering upon layering upon layering just to cover the source of all the money , 1mdb. But they forgot that everything leaves a trail now esp if u are using the international banking system n dealing with billions. But greed does breed stupidity.
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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Aug 28 2019, 02:50 PM)
hahaha no wonder shafee and najib so scare of sri ram must have nightmare when sleep tonight haahaha after today explosive opening statement.
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This fella was an ex judge......

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QUOTE(kons @ Aug 28 2019, 02:40 PM)
even if justo reveal all, still if bn cling to power, they will deny all wrong doing, when ag and igp is on their side, nothing can go wrong.
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But internationally, we be the pariah. Probably china is still willing be buddy with najib. Probably
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Altough i hate Najib but rules of law must be followed

Najib is innocent until found guilty by court..not lawyer, PM, polticians, Macai's and etc

meanwhile LGE dropped case with the help of AG..what kind of justice is this?
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But internationally, we be the pariah. Probably china is still willing be buddy with najib. Probably
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china is not dumb, they will help if we need help, but we need to give them our lands
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True. If in alternate history in which najib won, we probably gonna have permanent china military installations in kuantan ,melaka n even sabah. Of course china will najib billions of dollars in loan, which most he diverted to his bank account n the rest he will give out as brim. Again alternate history.
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QUOTE(hakimnen @ Aug 28 2019, 02:55 PM)
Altough i hate Najib but rules of law must be followed

Najib is innocent until found guilty by court..not lawyer, PM, polticians, Macai's and etc

meanwhile LGE dropped case with the help of AG..what kind of justice is this?
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probably all this will not surface at all if bn has won ge14..
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..."However, I would like to state that I had no knowledge of any money laundering by 1MDB.

..."Should anyone be found guilty of money laundering, they will be brought to justice," said Najib in the third instalment of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) uploaded onto his blog yesterday.
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QUOTE(hakimnen @ Aug 28 2019, 02:55 PM)
Altough i hate Najib but rules of law must be followed

Najib is innocent until found guilty by court..not lawyer, PM, polticians, Macai's and etc

meanwhile LGE dropped case with the help of AG..what kind of justice is this?
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bijan case also dropped before GE14
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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Aug 28 2019, 04:04 PM)
bijan case also dropped before GE14
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By the very AG bijan appointed. After bijan fired the prev AG who wanted to charge him for the SRC case.U know the normal behaviour of totally innocent man.

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Meanwhile in macai-land:

Ana x percaya selagi xde tunjuk bukti!!!

Kalau betul bersalah kenapa x tangkap lagi?(lol)

Kalau betul bersalah kenapa x dakwa lagi?(double lol)

Anak Tun kenapa x siasat ada GAZILLIONZZZZZZZZZZZ????
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QUOTE(hakimnen @ Aug 28 2019, 02:55 PM)
Altough i hate Najib but rules of law must be followed

Najib is innocent until found guilty by court..not lawyer, PM, polticians, Macai's and etc

meanwhile LGE dropped case with the help of AG..what kind of justice is this?
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AG had nothing to do with dropping LGE case, that was solely DPP's decision and the judge decided to fully acquit LGE.

You just refuse to believe there is no case to begin with, and they all decided to not waste time anymore.
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bijan case also dropped before GE14
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Both are different scenarios dude

LGE -With the help of AG, the case was dropped during the ONGOING trial in court

Najib - It was never BROUGHT to trial in the court by the AG -

Me: both AG are mehhhh

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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Aug 28 2019, 05:09 PM)
AG had nothing to do with dropping LGE case, that was solely DPP's decision and the judge decided to fully acquit LGE.

You just refuse to believe there is no case to begin with, and they all decided to not waste time anymore.
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QUOTE(hakimnen @ Aug 28 2019, 05:55 PM)
Both are different scenarios dude

LGE -With the help of AG, the case was dropped during the ONGOING trial in court

Najib - It was never BROUGHT to trial in the court by the AG -

Me: both AG are mehhhh
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As I said, AG TT had absolutely nothing to do with it.

‘Thomas not involved in withdrawal of corruption charges against Lim and Phang’
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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...E0CbPEqKBGk2.99


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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Aug 28 2019, 05:09 PM)
AG had nothing to do with dropping LGE case, that was solely DPP's decision and the judge decided to fully acquit LGE.

You just refuse to believe there is no case to begin with, and they all decided to not waste time anymore.
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Tell that to MACC who is surprised that the case was dropped, who then had to come up with a statement to stress that the decision to drop the case was AGC and not MACC. The fact that the trial is already on-going means there was a case - the proper way would be to let the whole trial to run it's course and let the verdict exonerate him.

And also such a high-profile case you think the AG is not involved meh? Of course not directly but still final approval to charge or drop needs to come from him.

Let's face the fact that the AG now is still beholden by the government of the day - LGE was charged during previous AG's time and charges were dropped during current govt's time.
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QUOTE(cameradude @ Aug 28 2019, 08:19 PM)
Tell that to MACC who is surprised that the case was dropped, who then had to come up with a statement to stress that the decision to drop the case was AGC and not MACC. The fact that the trial is already on-going means there was a case - the proper way would be to let the whole trial to run it's course and let the verdict exonerate him.

And also such a high-profile case you think the AG is not involved meh? Of course not directly but still final approval to charge or drop needs to come from him.

Let's face the fact that the AG now is still beholden by the government of the day - LGE was charged during previous AG's time and charges were dropped during current govt's time.
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You can read the star link above.

AG TT had recused himself, the new DPP takes full responsibility for his decision to drop it.

He came in with a fresh perspective and thought it's a guaranteed losing case, hence he dropped the case, TT had nothig to do with it. As the DPP said, he only informed TT on the morning itself he decided to drop it.

MACC can terkejut all they want, but it is the DPP handling the case that has the prerogative to press on or drop it, and he made it clear it was his decision, not anyone else.

In fact, he requested for discharge not amounting to acquittal, but the court had granted full acquittal. So TT had the power to influence the court?


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If this was viewed through a racial lens:

INDIAN MAN PROSECUTING MALAY & CHINESE CROOKS
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Aug 28 2019, 06:23 PM)
As I said, AG TT had absolutely nothing to do with it.

‘Thomas not involved in withdrawal of corruption charges against Lim and Phang’
05 Sep 2018

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...E0CbPEqKBGk2.99
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KUALA LUMPUR: : Suruhanjaya Pencegahan Rasuah Malaysia (SPRM) menafikan dakwaan untuk menarik balik dua pertuduhan kes rasuah terhadap Menteri Kewangan Lim Guan Eng seperti yang dilaporkan oleh sebuah portal berita.

“SPRM tidak mempunyai kuasa untuk melaksanakan perkara seumpama itu bagi mana-mana kes pendakwaan sebaliknya ia tertakluk kepada kuasa Pejabat Peguam Negara,” jelas kenyataan yang dikeluarkan pada Rabu.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.astroawani.c...-181364%3famp=1

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QUOTE(hakimnen @ Aug 28 2019, 08:37 PM)
KUALA LUMPUR: : Suruhanjaya Pencegahan Rasuah Malaysia (SPRM) menafikan dakwaan untuk menarik balik dua pertuduhan kes rasuah terhadap Menteri Kewangan Lim Guan Eng seperti yang dilaporkan oleh sebuah portal berita.

“SPRM tidak mempunyai kuasa untuk melaksanakan perkara seumpama itu bagi mana-mana kes pendakwaan sebaliknya ia tertakluk kepada kuasa Pejabat Peguam Negara,” jelas kenyataan yang dikeluarkan pada Rabu.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.astroawani.c...-181364%3famp=1

Yes AG got the power...
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It mentions Pejabat Peguam Negara which means it's the AG Chambers (not necessarily the AG himself as it could be the DPP in charge who decided to drop the charge).

AG is the head of AG Chambers and DPP work under AG in AGC. AG and DPP have absolute discretion (power) to decide whether to charge or not to charge a person or withdraw the charge halfway through the proceeding.

But of course if there is any conflict between the decision of AG and DPP, the AG's decision should prevail as he is the head/boss of DPP. That is to say, if the DPP decided to withdraw the charge but AG decided against the withdrawal, the DPP then ought to follow AG's decision.

In LGE case, the AG claimed that he was not involved in the decision making for the withdrawal of the charge which means that he did not decide for or against the withdrawal of the charge, he just stayed away from it and let the DPP himself make the decision.

Although logically as the AG himself, he should have reviewed the case thoroughly to make sure the DPP's decision to withdraw the charge is right and proper instead of staying away from it and solely letting the DPP himself to make the decision as he did in order to avoid any political accusation or remarks against him.

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i read all of it and is still confused, the money trails are like a fucking spider web, truly headache.
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Thats how money laundering works... You pusing satu dunia to make it hard to trace.
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But kindda Sad as nothing we don't know in what SriRam said. And some or all has been answered by BN macais... But now is the real showdown.... The best we got from Malaysian Baru vs Hot Shot lawyer... Fight..
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Always lovely to watch world class level lawyer in action. They way Sri Ram laid out the case and how he packaged it.... multiple mental orgasms!!!
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i take a look already headache liao, how come u can get mental orgasms .... lawyers all like super long documents ke?

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QUOTE(Riggo @ Aug 28 2019, 08:46 PM)
It mentions Pejabat Peguam Negara which means it's the AG Chambers (not necessarily the AG himself as it could be the DPP in charge who decided to drop the charge).

AG is the head of AG Chambers and DPP work under AG in AGC. AG and DPP have absolute discretion (power) to decide whether to charge or not to charge a person or withdraw the charge halfway through the proceeding.

But of course if there is any conflict between the decision of AG and DPP, the AG's decision should prevail as he is the head/boss of DPP. That is to say, if the DPP decided to withdraw the charge but AG decided against the withdrawal, the DPP then ought to follow AG's decision.

In LGE case, the AG claimed that he was not involved in the decision making for the withdrawal of the charge which means that he did not decide for or against the withdrawal of the charge, he just stayed away from it and let the DPP himself make the decision.

Although logically as the AG himself, he should have reviewed the case thoroughly to make sure the DPP's decision to withdraw the charge is right and proper instead of staying away from it and solely letting the DPP himself to make the decision as he did in order to avoid any political accusation or remarks against him.
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Thanks for the clarification..you got the point

The last two paragrsph explain eveything. It can be the AG or DPP itself for which we will never know.

My humbe opinion, trial should be carried out as it is. Let the justice speak to itself...



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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 28 2019, 09:37 PM)
i take a look already headache liao, how come u can get mental orgasms .... lawyers all like super long documents ke?
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No, lawyers like complicated stuff distilled down into easy, simple to read and understand points presented in an articulate, eloquent and erudite fashion.

Sri Ram made a complex, multi-layered, tedious and winding case sound simple and easy to follow. Takes VERY big brains to pull off such a packaging.
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Aug 28 2019, 09:42 PM)
No, lawyers like complicated stuff distilled down into easy, simple to read and understand points presented in an articulate, eloquent and erudite fashion.

Sri Ram made a complex, multi-layered, tedious and winding case sound simple and easy to follow. Takes VERY big brains to pull off such a packaging.
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Aug 28 2019, 09:42 PM)
No, lawyers like complicated stuff distilled down into easy, simple to read and understand points presented in an articulate, eloquent and erudite fashion.

Sri Ram made a complex, multi-layered, tedious and winding case sound simple and easy to follow. Takes VERY big brains to pull off such a packaging.
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due to the power of cash.. u think he no money they will worship him? His troopers are still here as you can see...busloads of them
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QUOTE(MyJimmy @ Aug 28 2019, 09:15 PM)
But kindda Sad as nothing we don't know in what SriRam said. And some or all has been answered by BN macais... But now is the real showdown.... The best we got from Malaysian Baru vs Hot Shot lawyer... Fight..
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but hor your kepit boss najib and hot shot lawyer safee want to ban sri ram ler laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif so scare meh laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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another court case

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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Aug 28 2019, 09:59 PM)
but hor your kepit boss najib and hot shot lawyer safee want to ban sri ram ler  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  so scare meh  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Aug 28 2019, 08:33 PM)
You can read the star link above.

AG TT had recused himself, the new DPP takes full responsibility for his decision to drop it.

He came in with a fresh perspective and thought it's a guaranteed losing case, hence he dropped the case, TT had nothig to do with it. As the DPP said, he only informed TT on the morning itself he decided to drop it.

MACC can terkejut all they want, but it is the DPP handling the case that has the prerogative to press on or drop it, and he made it clear it was his decision, not anyone else.

In fact, he requested for discharge not amounting to acquittal, but the court had granted full acquittal. So TT had the power to influence the court?
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Most likely previous AG were forced to make a case even though fully knowing it's a losing battle, because such case will smear LGE name just in time for GE14
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QUOTE(MyJimmy @ Aug 28 2019, 10:19 PM)
Don't pancut awal laa..... Really.. All is old news and allegation.. I do hope for some new allegation... All has been answered. Well... We see lah... Jeng... Jeng... Jeng....
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if not scare why want to ban sri ram laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif confirm najib and safee will have nightmare sleeping if sri ram is not removed from the case laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(hakimnen @ Aug 28 2019, 09:40 PM)
Thanks for the clarification..you got the point

The last two paragrsph explain eveything. It can be the AG or DPP itself for which we will never know.

My humbe opinion, trial should be carried out  as it is. Let the justice speak to itself...
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I also agree that the charge shouldn't have been withdrawn as I don't think the DPP would just simply draw up a charge without any basis at all so I believe there's something there, otherwise why would the DPP take up the charge in the beginning if there was no case at all.


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why sri ram ?
not tan sri ram ?
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why sri ram ?
not tan sri ram ?
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sri ram is his name. Gopal Sri Ram. His title is Datuk Seri.
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wow i did roughly go through the entire articles, too many mentioned of billions$ and millions$. WOW

Sri Ram FTW!
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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Aug 28 2019, 10:22 PM)
if not scare why want to ban sri ram laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  confirm najib and safee will have nightmare sleeping if sri ram is not removed from the case  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Who don't do that laa.... TT also they do that too.... You put monkey also they will ban the monkey and PH macai say bijan takut monkey.. Hahahahha

For the both lawyer... For them it's a war. They will use anything for their advantage.
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I read through Sri Ram's opening statement again.

Two thoughts:

1) Our former Prime Minister, and his batch of leaders in UMNO are world class crooks. What is even more amazing is that a significant portion of our country still supports these bunch of fuckers because they are "Muslim and Melayu".

2) Jho Low pulled off a con-job so big and amazing that he should have a movie called "Oceans One: Jho Low" which would be all about himself. The way he screwed over the country should serve as a wonderful lesson to all those looking for opportunities to exploit Malaysia and make a quick buck off her incompetent, race-and-religious baiting leaders. Well done, Jho Low, my hats off to you. Shame you didn't screw Malaysia out of a 0 or two more in your bank account line.

This case is going to showcase some of the biggest brains our wonderful country has to offer - the brains of one of its best legal minds, Sri Ram, and the brains of one of its best criminal masterminds ever, Jho Low.

Hopefully, UMNO - PAS win next general election so that more scams and conjobs can be pulled on the country. Who doesn't want to follow in the great Jho Low's footsteps, LOL!
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With jho low in absence.. I wonder how long this case will be drag until it off due to not enough witness to verify.. Is it possible like that?
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With jho low in absence.. I wonder how long this case will be drag until it off due to not enough witness to verify.. Is it possible like that?
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They do not need Jho Low. The money trail alone is enough to screw Najib based on money laundering counts. And from the sounds of it, there is enough direct and circumstantial evidence to nail Najib of practically every charge of criminal breach of trust and theft.

There is a reason why the prosecution took so long to really lay the big broadside against Najib. Because when they drive the nail into his coffin, they want to do it properly, they have to do it properly, they have to make sure the nail goes through and prevents that vampire from ever escaping that coffin again, and they have to make a show so big, convincing and lethal that public opinion has got no choice but to say: "Fvck, that bastard is guilty as hell!"

Because right now, we have a big bunch of morons who still think Najib gor is innocent of all the theft he has committed against the country. We also have another bunch of folks who think we should vote back UMNO - PAS in the next GE because "PH did not keep enough of their promises", LOL!!!
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Prince Turki, the accused and Jho Low were so close that they holidayed together on a yacht in the south of France. Prince Faisal received US$12,500,000 from Good Star on Feb 18, 2011. He received a further sum of US$12 million from Good Star on June 10, 2011, which came from the Murabaha scam.

this is the so called "donation from Saudi prince" mentioned in the SRC trial?
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Aug 28 2019, 11:07 PM)
They do not need Jho Low. The money trail alone is enough to screw Najib based on money laundering counts. And from the sounds of it, there is enough direct and circumstantial evidence to nail Najib of practically every charge of criminal breach of trust and theft.

There is a reason why the prosecution took so long to really lay the big broadside against Najib. Because when they drive the nail into his coffin, they want to do it properly, they have to do it properly, they have to make sure the nail goes through and prevents that vampire from ever escaping that coffin again, and they have to make a show so big, convincing and lethal that public opinion has got no choice but to say: "Fvck, that bastard is guilty as hell!"

Because right now, we have a big bunch of morons who still think Najib gor is innocent of all the theft he has committed against the country. We also have another bunch of folks who think we should vote back UMNO - PAS in the next GE because "PH did not keep enough of their promises", LOL!!!
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Aug 28 2019, 11:07 PM)
They do not need Jho Low. The money trail alone is enough to screw Najib based on money laundering counts. And from the sounds of it, there is enough direct and circumstantial evidence to nail Najib of practically every charge of criminal breach of trust and theft.

There is a reason why the prosecution took so long to really lay the big broadside against Najib. Because when they drive the nail into his coffin, they want to do it properly, they have to do it properly, they have to make sure the nail goes through and prevents that vampire from ever escaping that coffin again, and they have to make a show so big, convincing and lethal that public opinion has got no choice but to say: "Fvck, that bastard is guilty as hell!"

Because right now, we have a big bunch of morons who still think Najib gor is innocent of all the theft he has committed against the country. We also have another bunch of folks who think we should vote back UMNO - PAS in the next GE because "PH did not keep enough of their promises", LOL!!!
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QUOTE(syahmie8 @ Aug 28 2019, 10:58 PM)
With jho low in absence.. I wonder how long this case will be drag until it off due to not enough witness to verify.. Is it possible like that?
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Total dunno got 15-16 different charges
If those don't stick, we still have tax evasion LHDN clause.
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QUOTE(MyJimmy @ Aug 28 2019, 10:34 PM)
Who don't do that laa.... TT also they do that too.... You put monkey also they will ban the monkey and PH macai say bijan takut monkey.. Hahahahha

For the both lawyer... For them it's a war. They will use anything for their advantage.
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so u indirectly saying that bijan is guilty and afraid to lose the case dats why resort to using these dirty tricks to delay the case?

if really innocent then why scared? fight till the end la, confirm can win mar if really innocent, if based on wat u said every lawyer use anything to their advantage, then why isnt the prosecution team doing the same? why only shafee team doing all these nonsense? if prosecution so damn sure they will lose they will oso do these nonsense tricks to delay the case mar, but now oni 1 side is doing it, so it shuld b clear to u why they are doing it rite??
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QUOTE(mickeysew814 @ Aug 28 2019, 11:23 PM)
problem with the big bunch of moron is they dont see rasuah as an issue... apa malu bossku
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Well, if we want to get all technical, there is actually very little "rasuah" (bribery, corruption, kickback) involved in the charges here.

What we have here is true, blue theft. Criminal appropriation. Pilfering the country's coffers.

We also have multiple elements of criminal breach of trust, criminal negligence, criminal intimidation, obstruction of justice, illegal use and transfer of funds, not to mention the good old fashioned money laundering.

Of course, down the line, when the smaller fish get reeled in, then we will see the corruption charges coming into play. A lot of the UMNO warlords "should" go down to corruption and AMLA charges, and hopefully a good portion of the PAS leadership too.

But as it stands, this is daylight robbery, plain and simple.
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Aug 28 2019, 11:33 PM)
Well, if we want to get all technical, there is actually very little "rasuah" (bribery, corruption, kickback) involved in the charges here.

What we have here is true, blue theft. Criminal appropriation. Pilfering the country's coffers.

We also have multiple elements of criminal breach of trust, criminal negligence, criminal intimidation, obstruction of justice, illegal use and transfer of funds, not to mention the good old fashioned money laundering.

Of course, down the line, when the smaller fish get reeled in, then we will see the corruption charges coming into play. A lot of the UMNO warlords "should" go down to corruption and AMLA charges, and hopefully a good portion of the PAS leadership too.

But as it stands, this is daylight robbery, plain and simple.
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just asking why najib and safee so scare of sri ram? is sri ram so good that is scare the shit out of najib and his hot shot lawyer?
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Aug 28 2019, 11:26 PM)
Total dunno got 15-16 different charges
If those don't stick, we still have tax evasion LHDN clause.
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Hahaha.. It sound like until we change the gov also he wont be charge.
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Everything came crumbling down for najib and 1mdb when oil price crashed in late 2014. If the oil price had remained at least usd100 per barrel, it would have a different story for him and malaysia
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In his opening statement at former premier Najib Abdul Razak's 1MDB trial, lead prosecutor Gopal Sri Ram outlined how an elaborate charade was acted out in four phases.

The lawyer said the accused's ultimate aim was to obtain gratification for himself and had succeeded in achieving this.

“An elaborate charade was employed. It was acted out in four phases in which several characters played a part. But it was the accused who played the pivotal role. His objective was to enrich himself.

“Although this case concerns four phases, the events in respect of them are to be considered as part of a consecutive story because of the pre-arranged plan by the accused to enrich himself,” he told the Kuala Lumpur High Court this morning.

Sri Ram also revealed that an important character in this charade was fugitive businessperson Jho Low, whom he described as Najib's “alter ego and mirror image.”

Below is the opening statement in full:

1. This case concerns the monies of a company called 1Malaysia Development Berhad widely known as 1MDB. It was originally called Terengganu Investment Authority of TIA. The accused was instrumental in changing its name to 1MDB. He also caused amendments to be made to the articles of the company to place himself in sole control of important matters concerning the business and affairs of the company. In short, he was its plenipotentiary.

Additionally, he was the chairperson of the company's board of advisers. He used that position and that of the prime minister and minister of finance to do certain acts and to exert influence over the board of 1MDB to carry out certain abnormal transactions with undue haste. The ultimate aim of the accused was to obtain gratification for himself. He succeeded in achieving that aim.

2. An elaborate charade was employed. It was acted out in four phases in which several characters played a part. But it was the accused who played the pivotal role. His objective was to enrich himself.

3. Although this case concerns four phases, the events in respect of them are to be considered as part of a consecutive story because of the pre-arranged plan by the accused to enrich himself.
4. An important character in the charade is a man called Low Taek Jho or Jho Low. He is a fugitive from justice. He was involved in TIA and later in 1MDB. The prosecution will prove that the accused by his words and conduct made it clear to 1MDB’s officers, its board and others that Jho Low was his alter ego. In truth, Jho Low was the accused's mirror image.

The prosecution will establish facts which will give rise to an irresistible inference that Jho Low and the accused acted like one at all material times.

5. The four charges under Section 23 of the MACC Act are in respect of each of the four phases.

In respect of these charges, the prosecution will prove, through direct and circumstantial evidence that the accused, first in his capacity as the deputy prime minister and minister of finance, and later as prime minister and minister of finance, took several steps that led to part of 1MDB's funds being channeled into his account through a circuitous route to prevent detection of its source.

The accused thereby used his position for gratification. In each of the phases, the accused acted as one with Jho Low.

6. The first phase concerns the scenario of a so-called joint venture created by the accused (acting through Jho Low and one Tarik Obaid, a close associate of Jho Low). It was a false scenario of a joint venture between 1MDB and a company called PetroSaudi International Ltd or PSI. It was called Project Aria. In the first phase, the scene worked in the following way.

7. 1MDB borrowed US$1 billion purportedly to invest in a joint venture company called 1MDB Petro Saudi Ltd. The money was to be paid into the account of the joint venture company. Petro Saudi International took up to 60 percent of the shares in the allegedly joint venture by injecting certain assets of dubious value.

The US$1 billion was to represent 1MDB's contribution to its 40 percent shareholding. But the so-called joint venture agreement was entered into not with PSI but with a company called Petro Saudi Holdings (Cayman) Ltd. And it was Tarik Obaid who executed the agreement on behalf of PetroSaudi Holding (Cayman) Ltd.

Evidence will be led to show the abnormality of the so-called joint venture which close scrutiny will reveal to be a mere device to siphon 1MDB's money for the accused’s benefit.

8. The prosecution will, through oral and documentary evidence, prove that US$700 million of the US$1 billion, instead of being paid into the joint venture company's account, was diverted by the accused into a company called Good Star Ltd which in truth had nothing whatsoever to do with the joint venture. It was incorporated in Seychelles on May 18, 2009, that is to say, five months before the joint venture agreement was entered into. It was a company owned and controlled by Jho Low.

9. The payment of Good Star was made in great haste and without approval from 1MDB's board of directors and in defiance of its directions. Good Star was falsely described as the wholly-owned subsidiary of PSI (Petro Saudi International). The payment to Good Star, was vouched for the accused through Jho Low as monies owned by the joint venture agreement referred to a loan payable by the joint venture agreement referred to a loan payable by the joint venture company to PetroSaudi Holdings (Cayman).

The prosecution will through documents show that the so-called loan was a sham employed to justify the payment to Good Star.

10. In March 2010, 1MDB entered into a so-called Murabaha financing agreement under the terms of which alleged US$1 billion equity in the joint venture company was converted into useless Murabaha notes and 1MDB was required to make available to the joint venture company a sum of US$1.5billion. In September 2010, a sum of US$500 million was sent to the joint venture company. This money has gone missing.

Then in May 2011, a further sum of US$330 million, which was supposed to be the second tranche of the investment into the Murabaha financing, was diverted to Good Star. The accused took positive steps to put through this transaction.

11. From the original sum of US$700 million, sums of money were disbursed by Good Star to several persons including one Prince Faisal, a close associate of the accused, Jho Low and one Prince Turki.

Prince Turki, the accused and Jho Low were so close that they holidayed together on a yacht in the south of France. Prince Faisal received US$12,500,000 from Good Star on Feb 18, 2011. He received a further sum of US$12 million from Good Star on June 10, 2011, which came from the Murabaha scam.

From these sums, he transmitted US$20 million to the accused's personal account in two tranches of US$10 million each. The first tranche was received by the accused on Feb 24, 2011, that is to say, six days after Faisal received the money. The accused received the second tranche on June 14, 2011, that is to say, four days after Faisal received the money. The US$20 million amounts to an equivalent of RM60,629,839.43. This forms the subject matter of the first charge.

12. The first phase came to an end in 2012 with 1MDB holding worthless pieces of paper. The scam having been achieved, Good Star was wound up on May 2, 2014, and PetroSaudi International was wound up on April 8, 2015.

13. The second phase concerns the acquisition of assets of dubious value by 1MDB. The accused, using his position and acting through his mirror image Jho Low, took positive steps and caused 1MDB to enter into two transactions as a result of which the accused obtained a sum of RM90,899,927.28 as gratification. This forms the subject matter of the second charge.

14. These two transactions concerned the acquisition of two independent power producers namely, Tanjong Energy Holdings Sdn Bhd and Mastika Lagenda Sdn Bhd. Mastika owned 75 percent shares in Genting Sanyen Sdn Bhd. To make the purchase, 1MDB acted through its subsidiaries 1MDB Energy Holdings Ltd, 1MDB Energy Ltd and 1MDB Energy (Langat) Ltd (all Labuan companies) as well as through Malaysian registered companies, namely, 1MDB Energy Sdn Bhd and 1MDB Energy (Langat). These companies were used to raise finance for both acquisitions.

15. I now take each acquisition separately. A local bridging loan of RM6.17 billion was raised for the acquisition of Tanjong Energy. An additional sum of US$1.75 billion was raised through the issue of 10-year structured loan notes. Goldman Sachs was appointed as lead arranger for the issuance of these notes.

16. Of the US$1.75 billion, US$786 million went to Tanjong Energy. Of the balance, a sum of US$907 million was paid into the account of 1MDB Energy Ltd with Falcon Bank in Hong Kong. Of this sum, approximately US$577 million in round figures went to Aabar Investments PJS Ltd (BVI).

This payment was purportedly as a security deposit for Aabar’s holding company IPIC issuing a guarantee, guaranteeing the notes. In addition to the security deposit, Aabar was also given an option to take up 49 percent of shares owned by 1MDB Energy Ltd in 1MDB Energy Sdn Bhd.
On May 22, 2012, US$295 million was paid by Aabar to a company called Blackstone Asia. Blackstone is a company controlled by Jho Low through his associate Tan Kim Loong, also known as Eric Tan. He is also a fugitive from justice. Additionally, on July 25, 2012, a further sum of US$133 million was transferred by Aabar to Blackstone. These monies remained with Blackstone until October 2012. Goldman Sachs was paid US$192.5 million in arranger's fee for this bond issuance.

17. For the Mastika acquisition, the alleged purchase price was RM2.75 billion. The money for this came from two sources. First, another10-year structured loan notes of US$1.75 billion. For this, 1MDB paid Goldman Sachs US$110 million in arranger's fee. So, 1MDB got a nett sum of US$1.64 billion. This sum was paid into 1MDB Energy (Langat) Ltd's account with Falcon Bank, Hong Kong.

The second was a local loan of RM700 million. The total loan raised from these two sources was about RM6.16 billion. There was, therefore, an available excess of RM3 billion. This excess was almost wiped out by a payment on Oct 23, 2012 to Aabar Investment PJS (BVI) of a sum of approximately USD790 million in round figures as a security deposit for Aabar's holding company IPIC for allegedly guaranteeing the repayment of the notes.

As additional security, Aabar was given an option to take up 49 percent shares owned by 1MDB Energy (Langat) Ltd in 1MDB Energy (Langat) Sdn Bhd. For the Mastika acquisition, Genting Power was paid US$710 million. The loan raised through the notes for the Mastika purchase came into 1MDB Energy (Langat) Ltd’s account on Oct 19, 2012.

18. On Oct 23, 2012, Aabar paid a sum of approximately US$291 million in round figures to Cistenique Investment Fund or CIF. On the same day, Aabar paid US$76 million to Enterprise Emerging Markets Fund (EEMF). On Oct 23, 2012, Aabar paid US$75 million to Blackstone. This was part of the US$790 million paid to Aabar.

Later, Nov 5, 2012, Aabar paid a further sum of US$96 million to EEMF. Soon after CIF and EEMF received the monies in question, they paid it to Blackstone. These monies were then channelled by Blackstone into the accused’s account as follows.

19. On Oct 30, 2012, a sum of US$5 million was paid into the accused’s account at AmPrivate Bank. Then, on Nov 19, a sum of US$25 million was paid into the accused’s account. The total sum received by the accused in the second phase is set out in the amended second charge.

Evidence will be led to show how financial layering took place to provide a false justification for the movement of the monies. So much for the second phase.

20. The third phase concerns another purported joint venture between 1MDB and Aabar in equal shares. The joint venture company was called ADMIC. This forms the subject matter of the third charge. The purpose of this alleged joint venture was to develop TRX or the Tun Razak Exchange in Kuala Lumpur.

IPIC was to guarantee Aabar's investment. The Ministry of Finance of which the accused was minister guaranteed 1MDB's investment by way of a letter of support. A loan of US$3 billion was raised for this alleged purpose. Goldman Sachs acted as the arranger of the loan.

21. On March 14, 2013, the accused signed a letter of support to raise a loan through the issue of bonds by 1MDB from the Bank of New York Mellon Group in the sum of US$3 billion. On March 19, 2013, a sum of US$2.721 billion was disbursed into the account of 1MBD Global Investment Limited with the BSI Bank at Lugano in Switzerland. The balance went to pay the fee of Goldman Sachs.

22. From the US$2.721 billion, a sum of US$1,060,606,065 was paid into the account of two fiduciary funds, namely, Devonshire Funds Ltd and EEMF. Devonshire received US$646,464,649 in five tranches over two days, that is to say, on March 20 and 21, 2013. EEMF received US$414,141,416 in three tranches, also within two days, that is, March 20 and 21, 2013.

23. On March 21, 2013, Devonshire transferred US$430 million to Granton Property Holdings Ltd which is a company controlled by Eric Tan, Jho Low’s shadow. On the same day, Granton transferred the whole of that sum to Tanore Finance also a company controlled by Eric Tan.

Also, on the same day, that is to say, March 21, 2013, Devonshire transferred a sum of US$210 million to Tanore Finance Corporation. Then, between March 22, 2013 and March 25, 2013, EEMF transferred US$250 million to Tanore which therefore by that date had US$890 million in its hands.

24. Between March 21, 2013 and April 10, 2013, Tanore transferred US$681 million to the accused's account. In terms of our currency, this amounted to RM2,081,476,926. This sum forms the subject matter of the amended third charge.

25. Based on the evidence that the prosecution will adduce, the so-called joint venture never took off. There was no investment and there was no true joint venture. It was all a sham. This concludes the third phase.

26. The fourth phase concerns the purchase of the Aabar options by 1MDB. These are the options that were given to Aabar in 2012 as allegedly part of the consideration for IPIC’s guarantee for the notes that raised US$3.5 billion forming part of the second phase.

27. In May and August 2014, 1MDB through its subsidiary 1MDB Energy Holdings Ltd obtained two loans totalling US$1.225 billion from Deutsche Bank Singapore. The accused approved this transaction. The loans were secured by guarantees provided by 1MDB Energy and 1MDB Langat.

There was a bridging loan of US$250 million and a facility loan of US$975 million. The first loan of US$250 million was made available on May 26, 2014. From this amount, a sum of US$239,939,970 was paid into 1MDB Energy Holdings Ltd’s account with Falcon Bank Hong Kong on 28 May 2014. Of this sum, Energy Holdings paid Aabar Investments PJS Ltd BVI US$175 million to its account in BSI Lugano, Switzerland allegedly to part redeem the option given as additional security that was mentioned earlier when dealing with the second phase.

28. From the sum of US$175 million, a sum of US$19 million was paid by Aabar to the account of a company called Affinity Equity International Partners Ltd. The payment was made on June 18, 2014. The account was held at DBS Bank Ltd Singapore. Affinity Equity is controlled by Eric Tan. Of the US$19 million, a sum of US$1.89 million was transferred to a company called Blackrock Commodities (Global) Ltd at its account held in DBS. Blackrock is a company controlled by Eric Tan. On June 23, 2014, a sum of GBP750,000 was transferred to the accused’s account. This works out to RM4,093,500.

29. I now turn to the second loan of US$975 million which was made available on Sept 1, 2014. Of this sum, US$250 million was utilised to discharge the bridging loan. That left US$25 million. On Sept 3, a sum of US$223,333,000 was transferred to Aabar Investments PJS Ltd (incorporated in Seychelles) at its account with UBS Singapore. Then, on Sept 30, 2014, US$457,984,607 was paid to Aabar Investments PJS Ltd (incorporated in Seychelles) at its account with UBS Singapore.

Between Oct 16, 2014 and Nov 17, 2014, Aabar transferred a sum of US$226 million to Aabar International Investment PJS Ltd to its account in Barbados. Between Oct 16, 2014 and Nov 17, 2014, Aabar Barbados transferred US$225,500,000 to Vista Equity International Partners Ltd (Barbados), a company owned and controlled by Eric Tan. Between Oct 23, 2014 and Dec 19, 2014, Vista Equity through five tranches in sterling currency transferred a sum equivalent to RM45,837,485.70 to the accused’s account. This sum together with the RM4,093,500 earlier mentioned forms the subject of the fourth charge. It follows that part of the sum alleged to be used to redeem the option ended up in the accused’s account. So much for the fourth phase.

30. I now turn to the 21 charges for money laundering offences. These are the AMLA charges.

The first nine charges relate to receiving of the RM2,081,476,926 which forms the subject matter of the amended third charge. The monies fell into the accused’s account ending 9694 with AmIslamic Bank. Between Aug 2, 2013 and Aug 23, 2013, the accused transferred a sum of RM2,034,350,000 to Tanore Singapore.

Simultaneously, the accused used the balance of RM22,649,000 to pay four entities and one individual. The prosecution's case is that all these payments benefitted the accused.

31. After making these payments, the accused transferred the balance into a new account ending 1880 with AmBank through two transfers amounting RM162,436,711.87. He closed his account ending 9694.

32. The 10th charge and charges 16 to 19 relate to the transfers made by the accused to Tanore involving RM2,034,350,000.

33. Charges 11 to 15 concern the use by the accused of the funds earlier referred to through payments to the four entities and one individual. All these payments were made by cheques signed by the accused.

34. Charges 20 and 21 concern the transfer of funds from the 9694 account to the 1880 account.

35. In this latter part of the case, the prosecution will establish the AMLA charges through direct and circumstantial evidence. It will be proved that in all the circumstances of the case, the accused committed the offence of money laundering contrary to Section 4(1)(a) of the Anti-Money Laundering and Anti-Terrorism Financing Act 2001 (Amlatfa).

36. After the 1MDB scandal broke in early July 2015, the accused with his mirror image Jho Low took steps to cover his tracks. Sham documents were produced to pretend a donation from an Arab prince. Among these were letters and four cheques each for a sum of US$25 million purportedly written out by a person said to be the Arab donor. But these cheques were never meant to be encashed and were never encashed.

37. The prosecution will also produce evidence to show that the accused took active steps to evade justice. He interfered with the course of the investigation of this case which has come to be known as the 1MDB scandal.

He took active steps to effect a cover-up of his criminal acts. The prosecution will rely on all this evidence to show that the accused had the requisite mens rea when the offences with which he is charged were committed.
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just asking why najib and safee so scare of sri ram? is sri ram so good that is scare the shit out of najib and his hot shot lawyer?
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Sri Ram is a FUCKING LEGEND.

Before he became a judge and then returned back to practice, he was one of the country's greatest appellate lawyers. Appellate means doing appeal cases, at Court of Appeal, Supreme Court (back then) and Federal Court (today).

Before there were Cecil Abraham and Cyrus Daz, there were Raja Aziz Addruse and Gopal Sri Ram. The country's best appeal lawyers (Karpal was famous mainly for taking on very difficult criminal cases).

When Sri Ram moved to the bench (aka became a judge), I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that he was the only judge in Malaysian history to become a judge directly at the Court of Appeal instead of having to serve as a High Court Judge first. He demanded the step-up, and because he was so freaking good, his demand was met.

His command of the law is wide, deep and breathtaking. He can do commercial law, he can do civil law, he can do trust, tort, he is one of the country's best constitutional lawyers and judges, and he even wrote several seminal judgements on criminal law (constitutionality of the death penalty, etc.).

In court, lawyers were all freaking scared of him. He can literally "throw the book" at lawyers, because his command of the law is so bloody good he actually even knows the direct page and paragraph of judgements to go to. He expects a lot of lawyers, both in written submission and oral submission, and if you cannot answer his questions properly (or quickly enough) he can lose his temper and eff the lawyer kao kao. The worst thing is that most of the time, he is right!

Sri Ram is also a "clean" judge. He is not tainted by any of the corruption / bribery / skewering of justice allegations that tarnished, and are still tarnishing, the Malaysian judiciary.

He got a very late promotion to Federal Court because he can "diu" his fellow judges, and because he was not "corrupted". In certain days, certain governments and administrations wanted a pliant and subservient Federal Court to serve their political interests. A lot of Sri Ram's judgements at Court of Appeal level whacked the government of yester-years, and were overturned at Federal Court by more.... *ahem ahem* judges.

When I was a freshie lawyer, I remember watching a big clash at the Court of Appeal and my first time watching Sri Ram in action. He was giving a certain lawyer called Tommy Thomas a "schooling" in a very obscure point of constitutional law, and he was doing it with great gusto and gravitas. At that show, I told myself.... I never want to appear before Sri Ram unless I had 20 years of practice under my belt!

He is highly respected because of his knowledge and capability (very very wide and versatile), he is highly feared because of his knowledge and capability and temper (he will run rings around you and he will eff you kao kao if you do not know your law), and he is famous because he has practically mastered every aspect of legal practice to a very high level (you just look at this opening statement, cukup already.... he made a very very complex case easily digestible by most laymen and women if they take the trouble to read it carefully and think things through.... I wouldn't be able to pull off 1/4th of the shit he pulled off with that statement).

Sri Ram is very very thorough in his legal work. In the realm of prosecution, you cannot make a single mistake, because a single mistake means there is an element of doubt in the chain of prosecution, and this could result in the accused getting off scot-free even if he / she is guilty as hell. You can see that all the words in the opening statement were chosen very carefully, the sequence of events were laid out very carefully and nicely, and the whole thing was packaged in such a way that all four parts were connected and the link between Najib and Jho Low was clearly established.

Sri Ram was schooling lawyers and judges 30 years ago. He is still schooling lawyers and judges today.

I am sure he would not lose to the best QC in England in a contest of law and English.

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Aug 28 2019, 11:59 PM)
Sri Ram is a FUCKING LEGEND.

Before he became a judge and then returned back to practice, he was one of the country's greatest appellate lawyers. Appellate means doing appeal cases, at Court of Appeal, Supreme Court (back then) and Federal Court (today).

Before there were Cecil Abraham and Cyrus Daz, there were Raja Aziz Addruse and Gopal Sri Ram. The country's best appeal lawyers (Karpal was famous mainly for taking on very difficult criminal cases).

When Sri Ram moved to the bench (aka became a judge), I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that he was the only judge in Malaysian history to become a judge directly at the Court of Appeal instead of having to serve as a High Court Judge first. He demanded the step-up, and because he was so freaking good, his demand was met.

His command of the law is wide, deep and breathtaking. He can do commercial law, he can do civil law, he can do trust, tort, he is one of the country's best constitutional lawyers and judges, and he even wrote several seminal judgements on criminal law (constitutionality of the death penalty, etc.).

In court, lawyers were all freaking scared of him. He can literally "throw the book" at lawyers, because his command of the law is so bloody good he actually even knows the direct page and paragraph of judgements to go to. He expects a lot of lawyers, both in written submission and oral submission, and if you cannot answer his questions properly (or quickly enough) he can lose his temper and eff the lawyer kao kao. The worst thing is that most of the time, he is right!

Sri Ram is also a "clean" judge. He is not tainted by any of the corruption / bribery / skewering of justice allegations that tarnished, and are still tarnishing, the Malaysian judiciary.

He got a very late promotion to Federal Court because he can "diu" his fellow judges, and because he was not "corrupted". In certain days, certain governments and administrations wanted a pliant and subservient Federal Court to serve their political interests. A lot of Sri Ram's judgements at Court of Appeal level whacked the government of yester-years, and were overturned at Federal Court by more.... *ahem ahem* judges.

When I was a freshie lawyer, I remember watching a big clash at the Court of Appeal and my first time watching Sri Ram in action. He was giving a certain lawyer called Tommy Thomas a "schooling" in a very obscure point of constitutional law, and he was doing it with great gusto and gravitas. At that show, I told myself.... I never want to appear before Sri Ram unless I had 20 years of practice under my belt!

He is highly respected because of his knowledge and capability (very very wide and versatile), he is highly feared because of his knowledge and capability and temper (he will run rings around you and he will eff you kao kao if you do not know your law), and he is famous because he has practically mastered every aspect of legal practice to a very high level (you just look at this opening statement, cukup already.... he made a very very complex case easily digestible by most laymen and women if they take the trouble to read it carefully and think things through.... I wouldn't be able to pull off 1/4th of the shit he pulled off with that statement).

Sri Ram is very very thorough in his legal work. In the realm of prosecution, you cannot make a single mistake, because a single mistake means there is an element of doubt in the chain of prosecution, and this could result in the accused getting off scot-free even if he / she is guilty as hell. You can see that all the words in the opening statement were chosen very carefully, the sequence of events were laid out very carefully and nicely, and the whole thing was packaged in such a way that all four parts were connected and the link between Najib and Jho Low was clearly established.

Sri Ram was schooling lawyers and judges 30 years ago. He is still schooling lawyers and judges today.

I am sure he would not lose to the best QC in England in a contest of law and English.
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Walao. This make 1mdb trial more interesting.. must see legend in action.
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Walao. This make 1mdb trial more interesting.. must see legend in action.
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Just be prepared that the first few days of the trail will be very boring. Word from ground is that first few witnesses will be background and scene setting, so nothing controversial.

The true fireworks will come in when the bankers take the stand. The mother of all bombs will be when MO1 himself has to undergo cross-examination. The closing statements should also dazzle.

Also expect a lot of attempts by the defence to delay the trial. Najib might even start displaying prostrate problems suddenly!
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Aug 28 2019, 11:59 PM)
Sri Ram is a FUCKING LEGEND.

Before he became a judge and then returned back to practice, he was one of the country's greatest appellate lawyers. Appellate means doing appeal cases, at Court of Appeal, Supreme Court (back then) and Federal Court (today).

Before there were Cecil Abraham and Cyrus Daz, there were Raja Aziz Addruse and Gopal Sri Ram. The country's best appeal lawyers (Karpal was famous mainly for taking on very difficult criminal cases).

When Sri Ram moved to the bench (aka became a judge), I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that he was the only judge in Malaysian history to become a judge directly at the Court of Appeal instead of having to serve as a High Court Judge first. He demanded the step-up, and because he was so freaking good, his demand was met.

His command of the law is wide, deep and breathtaking. He can do commercial law, he can do civil law, he can do trust, tort, he is one of the country's best constitutional lawyers and judges, and he even wrote several seminal judgements on criminal law (constitutionality of the death penalty, etc.).

In court, lawyers were all freaking scared of him. He can literally "throw the book" at lawyers, because his command of the law is so bloody good he actually even knows the direct page and paragraph of judgements to go to. He expects a lot of lawyers, both in written submission and oral submission, and if you cannot answer his questions properly (or quickly enough) he can lose his temper and eff the lawyer kao kao. The worst thing is that most of the time, he is right!

Sri Ram is also a "clean" judge. He is not tainted by any of the corruption / bribery / skewering of justice allegations that tarnished, and are still tarnishing, the Malaysian judiciary.

He got a very late promotion to Federal Court because he can "diu" his fellow judges, and because he was not "corrupted". In certain days, certain governments and administrations wanted a pliant and subservient Federal Court to serve their political interests. A lot of Sri Ram's judgements at Court of Appeal level whacked the government of yester-years, and were overturned at Federal Court by more.... *ahem ahem* judges.

When I was a freshie lawyer, I remember watching a big clash at the Court of Appeal and my first time watching Sri Ram in action. He was giving a certain lawyer called Tommy Thomas a "schooling" in a very obscure point of constitutional law, and he was doing it with great gusto and gravitas. At that show, I told myself.... I never want to appear before Sri Ram unless I had 20 years of practice under my belt!

He is highly respected because of his knowledge and capability (very very wide and versatile), he is highly feared because of his knowledge and capability and temper (he will run rings around you and he will eff you kao kao if you do not know your law), and he is famous because he has practically mastered every aspect of legal practice to a very high level (you just look at this opening statement, cukup already.... he made a very very complex case easily digestible by most laymen and women if they take the trouble to read it carefully and think things through.... I wouldn't be able to pull off 1/4th of the shit he pulled off with that statement).

Sri Ram is very very thorough in his legal work. In the realm of prosecution, you cannot make a single mistake, because a single mistake means there is an element of doubt in the chain of prosecution, and this could result in the accused getting off scot-free even if he / she is guilty as hell. You can see that all the words in the opening statement were chosen very carefully, the sequence of events were laid out very carefully and nicely, and the whole thing was packaged in such a way that all four parts were connected and the link between Najib and Jho Low was clearly established.

Sri Ram was schooling lawyers and judges 30 years ago. He is still schooling lawyers and judges today.

I am sure he would not lose to the best QC in England in a contest of law and English.
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Shafee also said his relationship with Sri Ram, first as lawyer and later as Court of Appeal judge, was “not pleasant”. “We do not have a pleasant relationship. We pretend to be civil in court,” he added.

Sri Ram was a judge from September 1994 until January 2010 before he returned to private practice in 2013.

Shafee, who was once a DPP, said his relationship with Sri Ram first soured in a criminal breach of trust case that involved three Singapore millionaires.
“He was accused of tampering with evidence and a search was conducted in his office,” he said.

Shafee said he did not have a cordial relationship with Sri Ram then sitting as a judge in the Court of Appeal in at least two commercial cases. In one of the cases, he was cited for contempt of court.

Shafee said there were also several attempts made to disqualify him when the government appointed him as ad hoc DPP in Anwar’s Sodomy 2 case in the Court of Appeal and Federal Court.
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so u indirectly saying that bijan is guilty and afraid to lose the case dats why resort to using these dirty tricks to delay the case?

if really innocent then why scared? fight till the end la, confirm can win mar if really innocent, if based on wat u said every lawyer use anything to their advantage, then why isnt the prosecution team doing the same? why only shafee team doing all these nonsense? if prosecution so damn sure they will lose they will oso do these nonsense tricks to delay the case mar, but now oni 1 side is doing it, so it shuld b clear to u why they are doing it rite??
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I do hope what you said is true lor. remember...the stake is high. Sri Ram is the best ever hope for Malaysia Baru voters to sent Bijan to jail. don't be like SRC case... at first you have 100% voters think Bijan is guilty as hell....but along the way the Prosecution session. many loopholes have been exposed...but hey. leave it to court lah. and I do hope youre right.

but my money is on shafee lor right after i read SriRam opening speach. all the point we know before and has been answered. we see lor..

Furthermore, the real threat for PH is Zakir Naik... maybe UmnoPas will get him to be MPs or Aduns. BN win get his citizenship and promote him be MP or Aduns.....is not like we never done it before right after Merdeka....hahahahahahahhahaha
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... it starts to make sense now, on why the sudden interest to dig up and necromancing old threads:- to bury latest threads such as this as soon as possible.

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Day 2: Najib's ex-press sec and Umno division chief to take the stand

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As Najib Abdul Razak’s RM2.28 billion 1MDB trial enters its second day today, a line has been drawn in the sand between the prosecution and the former prime minister’s defence team.

Yesterday, lead DPP and former Federal Court judge Gopal Sri Ram’s opening statement described an alleged “elaborate charade” to enrich the accused with the purported collusion of his “mirror image” and wanted businessperson Low Taek Jho, also known as Jho Low.

Not to be perturbed, Najib’s lead counsel Muhammad Shafee Abdullah yesterday declared that the prosecution still needed to prove that the former premier knew that the funds originated from troubled sovereign fund 1MDB, instead of a donation from a “Saudi King” as claimed by the accused.

As each side establishes their respective positions, the hearing before Kuala Lumpur High Court judge Collin Lawrence Sequerah may see at least two witnesses being called to testify today.

This includes Najib’s former press secretary, Wong Nai Chee and Batu Kawan Umno division chief Mohd Noor Ahmad.
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Information on Judge, Prosecution and Defence Team


PRESIDING HIGH COURT JUDGE
Collin Lawrence Sequerah

PROSECUTION
Gopal Sri Ram (lead), Ahmad Akram Gharib, Mohammad Mustaffa P Kunyalam, Deepa Nair Thevaharan, Nadia Mohd Izhar, Najwa Bistamam, Haznida Harris Lee, and Tan Song Yan.

DEFENCE
Muhammad Shafee Abdullah (lead), Mohd Yusof Zainal Abiden, Harvinderjit Singh, Kamarul Hisham Kamaruddin, Chong Loong Men, Devanandan S Subramaniam, Farhan Read,
Wan Aizuddin Wan Mohammed, Rahmat Hazlan, Muhammad Farhan Shafee, Tiara Katrina Fuad, Nur Syahirah Hanapiah, and Zahria Eleena Redza
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Sri Ram is a FUCKING LEGEND.

Before he became a judge and then returned back to practice, he was one of the country's greatest appellate lawyers. Appellate means doing appeal cases, at Court of Appeal, Supreme Court (back then) and Federal Court (today).

Before there were Cecil Abraham and Cyrus Daz, there were Raja Aziz Addruse and Gopal Sri Ram. The country's best appeal lawyers (Karpal was famous mainly for taking on very difficult criminal cases).

When Sri Ram moved to the bench (aka became a judge), I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that he was the only judge in Malaysian history to become a judge directly at the Court of Appeal instead of having to serve as a High Court Judge first. He demanded the step-up, and because he was so freaking good, his demand was met.

His command of the law is wide, deep and breathtaking. He can do commercial law, he can do civil law, he can do trust, tort, he is one of the country's best constitutional lawyers and judges, and he even wrote several seminal judgements on criminal law (constitutionality of the death penalty, etc.).

In court, lawyers were all freaking scared of him. He can literally "throw the book" at lawyers, because his command of the law is so bloody good he actually even knows the direct page and paragraph of judgements to go to. He expects a lot of lawyers, both in written submission and oral submission, and if you cannot answer his questions properly (or quickly enough) he can lose his temper and eff the lawyer kao kao. The worst thing is that most of the time, he is right!

Sri Ram is also a "clean" judge. He is not tainted by any of the corruption / bribery / skewering of justice allegations that tarnished, and are still tarnishing, the Malaysian judiciary.

He got a very late promotion to Federal Court because he can "diu" his fellow judges, and because he was not "corrupted". In certain days, certain governments and administrations wanted a pliant and subservient Federal Court to serve their political interests. A lot of Sri Ram's judgements at Court of Appeal level whacked the government of yester-years, and were overturned at Federal Court by more.... *ahem ahem* judges.

When I was a freshie lawyer, I remember watching a big clash at the Court of Appeal and my first time watching Sri Ram in action. He was giving a certain lawyer called Tommy Thomas a "schooling" in a very obscure point of constitutional law, and he was doing it with great gusto and gravitas. At that show, I told myself.... I never want to appear before Sri Ram unless I had 20 years of practice under my belt!

He is highly respected because of his knowledge and capability (very very wide and versatile), he is highly feared because of his knowledge and capability and temper (he will run rings around you and he will eff you kao kao if you do not know your law), and he is famous because he has practically mastered every aspect of legal practice to a very high level (you just look at this opening statement, cukup already.... he made a very very complex case easily digestible by most laymen and women if they take the trouble to read it carefully and think things through.... I wouldn't be able to pull off 1/4th of the shit he pulled off with that statement).

Sri Ram is very very thorough in his legal work. In the realm of prosecution, you cannot make a single mistake, because a single mistake means there is an element of doubt in the chain of prosecution, and this could result in the accused getting off scot-free even if he / she is guilty as hell. You can see that all the words in the opening statement were chosen very carefully, the sequence of events were laid out very carefully and nicely, and the whole thing was packaged in such a way that all four parts were connected and the link between Najib and Jho Low was clearly established.

Sri Ram was schooling lawyers and judges 30 years ago. He is still schooling lawyers and judges today.

I am sure he would not lose to the best QC in England in a contest of law and English.
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nice but apparently now safee got chance to ban sri ram since high court allow this in the latest news after several attempt. sweat.gif sweat.gif hope high court wont allow this ban i want to see sri ram kick safee stupid ass.

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Day Two Live!

9.30am - Najib Abdul Razak enters the court and takes a seat at the front row of the public gallery to await the beginning of proceedings.

Also seen in court is his lead defence counsel Muhammad Shafee Abdullah, and lead DPP Gopal Sri Ram.

Najib and his defence lawyers had attended another matter before High Court judge Mohamed Zaini Mazlan earlier this morning.
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Just be prepared that the first few days of the trail will be very boring. Word from ground is that first few witnesses will be background and scene setting, so nothing controversial.

The true fireworks will come in when the bankers take the stand. The mother of all bombs will be when MO1 himself has to undergo cross-examination. The closing statements should also dazzle.

Also expect a lot of attempts by the defence to delay the trial. Najib might even start displaying prostrate problems suddenly!
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SRC trial MO1 no need talk also
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10.05am - The proceedings begin with the prosecution calling their fifth witness, Najib’s former political secretary Wong Nai Chee (photo).

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This case macam more interesting than the SRC... partly because of Gopal Sri Ram, partly because this is basically the biggest case against ah jib
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11am - Former political secretary to Najib Abdul Razak, Wong Nai Chee, finishes his testimony and is released from the witness stand.

The prosecution now calls in their sixth witness, Batu Kawan Umno division Mohd Noor Ahmad, to testify in court.

Najib didn’t issue cheques directly to prevent circulation on FB - witness

10.15am - Najib Abdul Razak's former political secretary Wong Nai Chee testifies that the former prime minister did not issue cheques directly to two entities to prevent it from being circulated on Facebook.

During examination-in-chief, the fifth witness tells lead DPP Gopal Sri Ram that the cheques were instead issued to activist Lim Soon Peng, and he relayed them to Akademi Kewartawanan and Informasi, and AD Network.

The first recipient is involved in the publication of a Chinese weekly, while AD Network is the administrator of the Ah Jib Gor Facebook page.

"If a personal cheque issued by the PM (Najib), we do not want it to circulate on Facebook.

"We would rather pay someone whom we trusted, so he (Lim) can pay (to the two entities)," Wong says.

Among the cheques issued was a payment for RM246,000 by Najib on Aug 7, 2013.
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I received RM100k party contribution from Najib: Batu Kawan Umno chief

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11.05am - Batu Kawan Umno division chief Mohd Noor Ahmad testifies that he received an RM100,000 cheque as a contribution to the division from then party president Najib Abdul Razak at the Prime Minister's Office on Aug 6, 2013.

The sixth witness says this during examination-in-chief by DPP Najwa Bistamam.

“I informed the party president, who was also then prime minister, at the Prime Minister's office," he says.

"It was on Aug 6, 2013," Noor says in relation to a cheque made out by Najib to the party division as a contribution.

The cheque, dated Aug 7, 2013, is a subject matter of one of the 21 charges of money laundering against Najib in the RM2.28 billion 1MDB trial.

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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 07:19 AM)
When gopal mentioned circumstantial evidence,  doubts are there already. Dont because of the opening statement and cause your biases. Jibby can choose to remain in silent till the end of the trial. Or he can choose to read the submission from the dock without being cross examined by the prosecutor during the defence stage.

This is not murder case that is so complex. Most importantly is how shafee going to explain that 2.6B and thats it. If shafee cannot prove its donation from arab prince, then gg for jibby...

Who knows shafee has some prince cards up his sleeve and he able to invite the prince to testify for jibby..laugh.gif this would be headline all over the world
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There have been two murder convictions in Singapore based on circumstantial evidence. No bodies. Sometimes the surrounding evidence is so overwhelming that there is no way to avoid coming to the conclusion that the perp is just guilty as sin.

Najib will definitely be nailed on AMLA. The way AMLA is structured, it is meant to snare every size of fish possible in the net and make it EASY for the prosecution to prove. Of course, we want the big four charges to stick, and if the money trail and approval trail is clear enough, and the prosecution can clearly show that Jho Low was acting as a proxy, an agent for Najib and Rosmah, then those big four charges will get through too.

Inviting a prince to testify for Najib is the easy part. Making the prince a convincing witness, able to stand up to cross-examination, is very very difficult. I have seen witnesses get caught lying on the stand... it is an absolute humiliation to be found lying under oath and in public. And you don't want to piss off the wrong judge with witness planting or tampering.... he might just triple your punishment term for such a stupid attempt.

Personally, I am confident in the trial. What Najib and Rosmah and UMNO warlords were doing were so blatant, they thought they were above the law or above the judgement of the people (well, the reasonably smart people at least). They didn't even try to hide the nonsense they were doing, just went swaggering around spending obscene sums of money while millions of folks were rotting at home at poverty level income. Well, all that swag led to them tying the noose among themselves, so let's just sit back and let the show go on.
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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Aug 29 2019, 07:20 AM)
nice but apparently now safee got chance to ban sri ram since high court allow this in the latest news after several attempt. sweat.gif  sweat.gif  hope high court wont allow this ban i want to see sri ram kick safee stupid ass.
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That is a narrative being set by Najib's team, and one of the classic delaying tactics. Disqualifying a prosecutor does not mean the trial is over or the charges dropped. Do not make too much of it.
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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Aug 29 2019, 09:59 AM)
SRC trial MO1 no need talk also
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Prosecution don't need him to talk. He will only be called to the stand if prima facie case is found and he needs to defend himself.
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probably all this will not surface at all if bn has won ge14..
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36. After the 1MDB scandal broke in early July 2015, the accused with his mirror image Jho Low took steps to cover his tracks. Sham documents were produced to pretend a donation from an Arab prince. Among these were letters and four cheques each for a sum of US$25 million purportedly written out by a person said to be the Arab donor. But these cheques were never meant to be encashed and were never encashed.



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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 12:22 PM)
You cannot compare amla with murder case. Example circumstancial evidence of you roaming around the crime scene before the victim got murdered definitely will raise suspicion that you were involved. The same thing cannot be used in amla. Amla you need direct evidence like bank statements and witness of the account holder.

No such thing circumstancial. For me i guess la for sri ram to say circumstantial should be the movement of money from 1mdb company. But not directly into jibby account. And then after that got a big sum of money entered jibby account. Sri ram cannot say that money was from 1mdb. He must prove it. Cannot just based on wild guessing. Its different from you roaming around the crime scene.

If arab prince can come testify in the court, already a winning point for jibby. The prince can say to sri ram" are you judging my reliability? I got billions worth of projects to handle in my home country and yet i spending time to testify here in msia for the sake of Justice" "Yes its me who transferred the money into jibby account, is being generous a crime!!?"
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For AMLA, money trail is practically enough to score head shot on opponent. When I was still in practice, AMLA was the most difficult act to defend against, because the money trail (or lack of one) is practically all that is needed for prosecution to discharge their burden of proof.

This write up from NST describes the threat of AMLA well enough:

https://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnists/2...ful-legislation

I take the position Najib and Rosmah are screwed on the AMLA part. It is the big 4 charges where they "might" have a fighting chance. But it is also "quite" clear to me that the circumstantial evidence against them is overwhelming.

Bring on their prince. If there was a genuine prince all along, they wouldn't have hid him for so long, and he would clearly come out and say that he was a donor and why he was a donor. You do not hide your prince until your trial is halfway through and then bring him out to surprise everyone - that is the strongest signal of unreliability and lack of credibility.

Anyway, I have said my piece and my opinion. I trust Sri Ram to do a good job and score several convictions against Najib. This will start the flood of convictions against the rest of the crooks. If you have a different opinion, then agree to disagree and let's just wait for the trial to end and the results to come out.
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Najib gave cheque to help the poor Malays in Batu Kawan - Noor

11.20am - The court hears from Batu Kawan Umno division chief Mohd Noor Ahmad that a sum of RM100,000 which the division received from then party president Najib Abdul Razak in 2013 was used to conduct activities to help those in need in the constituency.

The witness, testifying under cross-examination by defence counsel Muhammad Shafee Abdullah (photo), agrees to the lawyer's suggestion that the Malays in Penang were among the less fortunate in the country compared to other states.

He also agrees that the Malays in the northern state were in need of such assistance for their livelihood.

Shafee: One more question. Although I myself am also from Penang... would you agree that the economical state of the Malays in Penang is not very good?

Mohd Noor: Yes, I agree.

Shafee: In Malaysia, one of the states where (the Malays) are still being left behind (economically) is Penang?

Mohd Noor: Agree.

Shafee: And they need assistance to uplift their livelihood?

Mohd Noor: True.

Shafee: And during that time when you received the funds from Najib, the Penang state government was not under Barisan Nasional?

Mohd Noor: Yes.

Shafee: And you received this donation to help the people in Batu Kawan?

Mohd Noor: True.

The witness also testifies that the Umno division's bank account had been frozen by the authorities for about a year over the case.
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Judge rejects prosecution's request to adjourn trial to next week

11.30am - After the prosecution's sixth witness Mohd Noor Ahmad is released from the stand, lead prosecutor Gopal Sri Ram makes a request to the court to adjourn today's proceedings.

He informs the court that the prosecution is expecting a lengthy session to conduct examination on the seventh witness, as there are 177 documents to be tendered with the witness.

"If it is convenient to My Lordship, we would like to take it to Tuesday morning," says Sri Ram.

Justice Collin Lawrence Sequerah, however, is not keen to adjourn the trial.

He says they have already lost "several days", referring to the trial's postponements in the past few weeks.

"We will start today. We already lost several days.

"I’m sure it will spill to Tuesday," says the judge.

Sequerah then allows for a short break for the prosecution to prepare for the next witness.
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Not the whole of Malaysia need assistance meh? only the bumis affected by the economy slowdown ....

apalancau ini????
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SSM officer identifies TIA/1MDB registration documents

12.05pm - The prosecution calls its eighth witness, Companies Commission (SSM) officer Rafidah Yahaya to testify in court.

DPP Mustaffa P Kunyalam conducts the examination-in-chief on the witness.

Rafidah starts her testimony by identifying documents that she had surrendered to MACC on May 28, 2018, including business registration certificate for Terengganu Investment Authority Berhad, which was later known as 1Malaysia Development Berhad.
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SSM officer identifies TIA/1MDB registration documents
Judge rejects prosecution's request to adjourn trial to next week
Najib gave cheque to help the poor Malays in Batu Kawan - Noor
I received RM100k party contribution from Najib: Batu Kawan Umno chief
Batu Kawan Umno division chief takes the stand
Najib didn’t issue cheques directly to prevent circulation on FB - witness

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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 12:47 PM)
How long you have been in practice as a lawyer? You seem to be clueless about the process of trial. The prosecution definitely is not able to bring in the prince as the prince only close with jibby. It will be in the defence stage that jibby will bring in his defence witness to counter against the prosecution witness.

Yes amla is the most hard cases to defend when all the money trails are crystal clear. But the problem is the 2.6B was not transferred directly from oversea 1mdb companies. Sri ram will have difficulty to link the money to 1mdb if the fund was not transferred from 1mdb companies.

Unlike the src case, AG can prove the 42M was transferred from SRC company into jibby account.


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I've been in practice long enough and in enough criminal / fraud cases to know how it is dealt and the difficulties and issues with handling such cases.

If you are casting doubts on my outlook, you are entitled to your opinion. I think your opinion is wrong, you are welcome to think my opinion is wrong, and we will just wait for the trial to reach its conclusion. That's that.
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Then its weird when you duno jibby can refuse to be cross examined by the prosecutor. And you dunno that jibby cannot bring in his own witness in prosecution stage. Inside the court, cannot based on opinion but evidence ya.

Which of my statement is wrong btw? Your post is too vague.
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Sure Jibby can refuse to be cross-examined by the prosecutor. Does it help his case? Does it make him a reliable witness? A credible one? If you have practiced litigation, then you will know that witness credibility is incredibly important; the witness can spin the most golden and well-crafted story on the stand, but if he has no credibility, then his entire story can even be discounted 100%.

You should read some judgements where the judges called witnesses liars and ignored their entire testimony.

If Jib does that, aka refuses to take the stand or does not cooperate with cross-examination, even more so he is helping the prosecution with their case, LOL!

Same with your Arab prince theory also. Everything Najib's team has done so far with regards to the Arab prince has not been helping their case. Any Arab prince they produce would have his credibility discounted so low immediately at the witness stand, that it would actually be a total waste of time, even a detriment, to produce the prince. A top-level cross-examiner would have a field day ripping the prince apart.

As I said, if you have a very different outlook on the case, by all means proceed with your outlook. For some of the most complex cases, you ask 5 different lawyers on their outlook, they will give you 5 different outlooks, from blinding optimism to dire pessimism. The same will be for this case of Najib's; on my part, I am hopeful optimistic because of the quality of the prosecution. Sri Ram also said that he would produce BOTH DIRECT AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence to support the prosecution's case. I cannot think of anyone better to lead the prosecution team.

Hence, I am confident that Najib will be nailed on a big portion of the charges.

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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 01:18 PM)
Then why earlier you said jibby will be bombed by the dpp during cross examination? And said its stupid for jibby to bring in his witness in the middle of the trial? I am questioning on your these 2 statements only. I am not arguing that jibby will be nailed or not. Duh!

Wow, you as a lawyer can so fast make judgement even before reviewing all the evidences? Seriously if people like you becoming a judge will be a disaster to the judiciary.  Do you agree that you are bias and not being professional to the core?
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dont make sorry excuse for najib ok this guy is a clown with stupid story of prince arab laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Najib gave cheque to help the poor Malays in Batu Kawan - Noor

11.20am - The court hears from Batu Kawan Umno division chief Mohd Noor Ahmad that a sum of RM100,000 which the division received from then party president Najib Abdul Razak in 2013 was used to conduct activities to help those in need in the constituency.

The witness, testifying under cross-examination by defence counsel Muhammad Shafee Abdullah (photo), agrees to the lawyer's suggestion that the Malays in Penang were among the less fortunate in the country compared to other states.

He also agrees that the Malays in the northern state were in need of such assistance for their livelihood.

Shafee: One more question. Although I myself am also from Penang... would you agree that the economical state of the Malays in Penang is not very good?

Mohd Noor: Yes, I agree.

Shafee: In Malaysia, one of the states where (the Malays) are still being left behind (economically) is Penang?

Mohd Noor: Agree.

Shafee: And they need assistance to uplift their livelihood?

Mohd Noor: True.

Shafee: And during that time when you received the funds from Najib, the Penang state government was not under Barisan Nasional?

Mohd Noor: Yes.

Shafee: And you received this donation to help the people in Batu Kawan?

Mohd Noor: True.

The witness also testifies that the Umno division's bank account had been frozen by the authorities for about a year over the case.
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why not give to dap, pkr, they all mau tolong rakyat juga
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 01:18 PM)
Then why earlier you said jibby will be bombed by the dpp during cross examination? And said its stupid for jibby to bring in his witness in the middle of the trial? I am questioning on your these 2 statements only. I am not arguing that jibby will be nailed or not. Duh!

Wow, you as a lawyer can so fast make judgement even before reviewing all the evidences? Seriously if people like you becoming a judge will be a disaster to the judiciary.  Do you agree that you are bias and not being professional to the core?
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There is nothing mutually exclusive about me saying that Jibby will be bombed during cross-examination. The fireworks we all want to watch are Jibby taking the stand and getting skewered for all the rubbish he has said in the past on 1MDB, but if he refuses to take the stand, all the more so it helps the prosecution as well. So now this makes me question.... were you ever a lawyer in the first place? LOL!!!

Well, you may be right that if I become a judge, I MAY be a disaster to the judiciary. I think what I can fast fast make judgement is that I would DEFINITELY make a far better judge than you. Maybe I am bias and not being professional to the core (I am no longer a lawyer BTW... for over a decade already), but my technical and legal skills would probably exceed yours by a mile. So maybe I would be a T1 disaster on the bench while you would be a T5 disaster.... still a disaster, but a much smaller one compared to what you would have been biggrin.gif

OK lar, enough talking cock with you. Am moving on from this.
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 01:42 PM)
Shafee's job is to win the case and dpp job is to prosecute jibby. Your word of fireworks shows ur not a professional. Being a lawyer does not mean can be a good and professional lawyer. Can you show out how many criminal cases that you have won for your clients in ur life as a lawyer? Because i doubt your bias and silly mind can help your client eh. Probably will ask ur clients to admit guilty and thats it. Duh!!

Ya thats why you can never be qualified to become a judge. Good that you have retired uncle...dont angry ya uncle tongue.gif
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Ya, I would not be a good judge. If I ever became a judge, I would become a "hanging judge", which is not good for society as a whole. So better for me to have moved into other areas.

I didn't know that a 38 year old me could be labeled as "uncle". That probably means you are a young ciku, and I didn't realize I was talking to someone who hasn't grown much pubic hair yet. Forgive me, I was talking to you as if you were a rational, reasonable adult of mature thinking abilities. I assumed too much of you biggrin.gif

Anyway, since you are young, naive, probably a little stupid and silly, I forgive you for your inability to think too much or analyze matters carefully. Thus, feel free to keep commenting here OK... you might learn a thing or two that will help you with your life in the future biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 01:53 PM)
Wah at the age of 28 already retired as a lawyer and definitely not winning any criminal cases before. No wonder not familiarise with the court proceedings. A person that never win any criminal cases before dare to calling others as stupid. I give you a like laugh.gif
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Seriously you made the right choice to change profession. tongue.gif
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You see every words he types here is intended to provoke and troll for arguments. My guess is he has no job no money for entertainment and nothing better to do while waiting for his court case, so troll /k for entertainment
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 02:09 PM)
Now i will start to record all the criminal defamers. Its good when i able to see you together with lampazhi and joe_star to be hauled up to court for criminal defamation..time will tell.
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Ya, I didn't realize he was trying to look for a fight on purpose. I was treating him and answering his questions seriously as is my default mode for people I interact with for the first time on the internet (well, when discussing legit topics lar). Only after he started showing his sohainess that I realized I was possibly dealing with a mentally challenged and limited chap here.

I am OK having some "verbal conflict" with him. It exercises the brain cells a bit, and it is free, light entertainment. Of course, after a while, too much interaction with people like him does tend to influence and make me slightly stupid as well, so best to limit the interaction with his type.
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You dunno who lamtin is? Try google lam chang nam biggrin.gif
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Must be great to have professional penipu scammer friend, senang senang dapat around USD4mil++ just to funnel money through your account. See item 11. Prince turki or that prince Faisal dpt middleman fees gak kut. Allegedly Jhlo transfer 12 mil to them then they transfer only 10 mil to PMO1. Yeehaaa! Kaya woh, goyang telur tekan button send jer. Oh wai!
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Shafee lausai already, tomorrow on mc.......
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What excuse this time around do you think? Dog ate his case file. Indon maid want to go horriday. Cirit birit until cannot walk.. Oh wai!
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 01:47 PM)
How long you have been in practice as a lawyer? You seem to be clueless about the process of trial. The prosecution definitely is not able to bring in the prince as the prince only close with jibby. It will be in the defence stage that jibby will bring in his defence witness to counter against the prosecution witness.

Yes amla is the most hard cases to defend when all the money trails are crystal clear. But the problem is the 2.6B was not transferred directly from oversea 1mdb companies. Sri ram will have difficulty to link the money to 1mdb if the fund was not transferred from 1mdb companies.

Unlike the src case, AG can prove the 42M was transferred from SRC company into jibby account.


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There will be no Prince will come up front to testify..
No point of showing pictures, its weak.

Statement changes, macc officer confirmed money was transferred by having the letter of donation chop and signed.
From whos account transferred to Najib?

News in 2019...about 1 week ago
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News in 2016, while BN got media by the balls
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You dunno who lamtin is? Try google lam chang nam biggrin.gif
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I really didn't know, LOL. I have not been on /k long enough to know who are the fools and who aren't. I also usually bersangka baik as first impression if possible. Didn't know this LamTin chap had serious.... issues.

Consider me educated and thanks for enlightening me!
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 03:38 PM)
I duno jibby can invite any saudi witness or not since he claimed the money was from saudi prince. But the sri ram must prove the 2.3B was from 1mdb. So far this few days all the witnesses are like warming up only. Not yet proven the source of money.
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Hard trail because the money back and forth so many channel/companies/regulators.

Plus, if arab involve, they wont easily give their people, especially for this
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 04:04 PM)
Hard or easy, sri ram must prove. He so daringly to say in his opening speech that its related to 1mdb..i will see how he gonna prove the 2.3B was from 1mdb.
Saudi Arabia donated $115 billion to help 90 countries
JEDDAH: Faisal bin Hassan Trad, the permanent representative of Saudi Arabia to the United Nations Office in Geneva, said the Kingdom has been the most generous country in the world in the field of development and humanitarian aid over the past four decades

https://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/815851
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Arab donated with the typical manner, to government, not individual.

Najib didnt declared his donation if someone didnt viral it out.

Najib didnt declared that Malaysian Government received donation from Saudi officially in the papers.

When asked, najib said donation because of palestine, then for party then etc etc.

There are dozens of shady/flimsy statement from Najib.

No point u put the donation link news up there, it work differently from Najib donation.

From “I dont know Jho Low” to “Jho Low lied to Government”

Its not that hard to know a liar
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QUOTE(Perfect.Stranger @ Aug 29 2019, 03:11 PM)
Arab donated with the typical manner, to government, not individual.

Najib didnt declared his donation if someone didnt viral it out.

Najib didnt declared that Malaysian Government received donation from Saudi officially in the papers.

When asked, najib said donation because of palestine, then for party then etc etc.

There are dozens of shady/flimsy statement from Najib.

No point u put the donation link news up there, it work differently from Najib donation.

From “I dont know Jho Low” to “Jho Low lied to Government”

Its not that hard to know a liar
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 03:18 PM)
Err,  Is there any law states that party leader must make a public announcement for any political donation received under the constitution? If yes please state it here for research purpose ya.

And i dont think lying is a crime. Everyone lies at least once in their lifetime i guess...
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 04:18 PM)
Err,  Is there any law states that party leader must make a public announcement for any political donation received under the constitution? If yes please state it here for research purpose ya.

And i dont think lying is a crime. Everyone lies at least once in their lifetime i guess...
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No one said its compulsory to announce publicly. So why ask?

Political donation? What proof its a political donation?

And no one said under general, lying is a crime
But with Najib Jho Low matter, lying to not know JhoLow then suddenly knew after lost election due to both title/position in 1MDB, it is a crime.
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 04:34 PM)
Lets focus on 1mdb 2.3B matter. Dont everything also mentioned jho as it is quite irrelevant in this case. For src case its relevant because former manager yu said she listened instruction from jho which is against the bank rules.

Its you or the DPP to prove the money is not from political donation. Not for the defence to prove at this stage bro. Can you prove the money is from where?
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So its not political donation.
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Own up n admit guilt la. Can come out earlier ma
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 03:26 PM)
I am not biased in any cases. You can dont trust me but i am neutral in all cases.
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jilat is the way of life. I admit I penjilat.. so must as well admit the obvious.

neo get back to jilat... until one day jialat.. then new world order.
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 29 2019, 03:48 PM)
Own up n admit guilt la. Can come out earlier ma
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If he enter jail, he probably will die in there already. So many charges against him, enough for 2 life times.
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 02:18 PM)
Err,  Is there any law states that party leader must make a public announcement for any political donation received under the constitution? If yes please state it here for research purpose ya.

And i dont think lying is a crime. Everyone lies at least once in their lifetime i guess...
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What?! have you work in a proper corporation in your whole life? There is always a HR policy if you receive gift or etc above how much RM 50. Then you must declare to HR for evaluation.

Lying is not a crime, lying is part of crime cover up.


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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Aug 29 2019, 12:36 PM)
For AMLA, money trail is practically enough to score head shot on opponent. When I was still in practice, AMLA was the most difficult act to defend against, because the money trail (or lack of one) is practically all that is needed for prosecution to discharge their burden of proof.

This write up from NST describes the threat of AMLA well enough:

https://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnists/2...ful-legislation

I take the position Najib and Rosmah are screwed on the AMLA part. It is the big 4 charges where they "might" have a fighting chance. But it is also "quite" clear to me that the circumstantial evidence against them is overwhelming.

Bring on their prince. If there was a genuine prince all along, they wouldn't have hid him for so long, and he would clearly come out and say that he was a donor and why he was a donor. You do not hide your prince until your trial is halfway through and then bring him out to surprise everyone - that is the strongest signal of unreliability and lack of credibility.

Anyway, I have said my piece and my opinion. I trust Sri Ram to do a good job and score several convictions against Najib. This will start the flood of convictions against the rest of the crooks. If you have a different opinion, then agree to disagree and let's just wait for the trial to end and the results to come out.
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I guess if the money trail can be established (and I think USA has already established the money trail before they seized the related assets and frozen the bank accounts), it doen't matter if it is a direct or indirect debit into Najib's accounts. All money laundering goes through several different accounts in different countries trying to lose the trail before arriving at the beneficiary accounts. That's why a good launderer is paid a fortune. Jho Low is clearly not good enough to launder 2.6B.. lol

Moreover, why some people think Prince will not launder money, especially when you have many of them in Arab? Even if the Prince (he is obviously not a governing Prince) takes the stand, he will need to explain the money that went into his account before arriving at Najib's to convince the judge it was a donation. His Kingdom has clearly stated that they did not donate the money. It means if the Prince did transfer the money, he did it in his personal capacity and it was not related to his Kingdom.

If the prosecutor can prove the money trail, both the Prince and Najib GG. This is what I understood from the lengthy posts. I'm not in a law profession, but I learned more from your posts than the other forummer. He lost me when he failed to address the money trail (how money trail is irrelevance to the case) and insisted that Najib can only be guilty if there was a direct debit. I may have miss understood him, but he did not articulate well his points. You can't blame me for not understanding... lol.

I feel this thread should be in serious/k.
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Own up n admit guilt la. Can come out earlier ma
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You have problem differentiating between normal gift and political donation.
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You have problem understanding political donation to private individual and not to certain NGO nor Department account.

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20 yrs holiday yo... kalau tanam musang king boleh jadi millionaire
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Deduct cuti maybe 15 yrs can come out
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Can you show which law states that political donation cannot be sent to private account?
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Then don't call it political donation... if it is going into individual.
Naming own account as the "AmPrivate Banking-MR” and accept political donation?

anyhow, you are the kind, die die also want Najib is clean and best... jilat jilat. Waste finger strength
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QUOTE(Earthman @ Aug 29 2019, 04:47 PM)
I guess if the money trail can be established (and I think USA has already established the money trail before they seized the related assets and frozen the bank accounts), it doen't matter if it is a direct or indirect debit into Najib's accounts. All money laundering goes through several different accounts in different countries trying to lose the trail before arriving at the beneficiary accounts. That's why a good launderer is paid a fortune. Jho Low is clearly not good enough to launder 2.6B.. lol

Moreover, why some people think Prince will not launder money, especially when you have many of them in Arab? Even if the Prince (he is obviously not a governing Prince) takes the stand, he will need to explain the money that went into his account before arriving at Najib's to convince the judge it was a donation. His Kingdom has clearly stated that they did not donate the money. It means if the Prince did transfer the money, he did it in his personal capacity and it was not related to his Kingdom.

If the prosecutor can prove the money trail, both the Prince and Najib GG. This is what I understood from the lengthy posts. I'm not in a law profession, but I learned more from your posts than the other forummer. He lost me when he failed to address the money trail (how money trail is irrelevance to the case) and insisted that Najib can only be guilty if there was a direct debit. I may have miss understood him, but he did not articulate well his points. You can't blame me for not understanding... lol.   

I feel this thread should be in serious/k.
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Thanks. I try to treat most of /k seriously if possible and share what little knowledge and experience I have. I know there are some troll posters and the troll topics here and avoid those if I can. Sometimes though, cannot avoid running into posters like him because they sengaja seek you out to cari gaduh.

The money trail should be "easily established" because there is no way to transfer around sums that massive without going through the interbank system. I am not sure even the Macau junkets are willing to hang on to cash in the hundreds of millions; the security detail you would need to take care of transfer of sums that large would be enormous.

I think more importantly, when Najib and co. were carrying out their early operation (i.e. before it was whistle-blown or before fei cai was caught partying with Paris Hilton in LA), they were doing it so openly, blatantly and in such apparent disregard of the public in Malaysia that these has now come to bite them back in the ass (the laundering / money trail was not camouflaged as well as it could have been). This should be accredited to the sheer arrogance that UMNO was having back in those days; they thought they were invincible and would never lose an election, and the public would not care how they plundered the country's coffers. If they were launching a proper laundering op, they would do a lot of cash transfers between jurisdictions in order to wash the monies clean and to prevent tracking of the monies into "official accounts". Monies in the millions of USD getting transferred into Najib's personal kitty (and him then using the money) just gave AMLA a firm tick on the checkbox.

Would also be fun to see how Goldman Sachs gets implicated or cooperates in all this. I think to reduce their liability / exposure to the crimes they have aided and abetted in, Goldman will cooperate by detailing all the "sham loans" they helped 1MDB structure. If Goldman witnesses come forward and say they structured those loans because there was implicit guarantees from the very top of the Malaysian government, Najib will be GG-ed on most of the charges as well. Clear abuse of power there and intent to commit fraud.

There is a reason why it took so long for the AG Chambers to properly charge Najib and drag him to court... it is because constructing a case with this many chains and leads and connections takes time, and if you want to secure convictions on the biggest charges, you better damn well make sure your own case is airtight, and the defence's case is bullshit. From the looks of the opening statement, the prosecution have made the container "airtight" enough on most of the charges (contrary to what that moron, LamTin, thinks). This should be a good display of Malaysia's legal industry's abilities.
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 02:12 PM)
Time will tell, mr criminal defamer. You think macc and isp cannot track you? Dream more...lets see who have the last laugh.
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Yeah let's have em track back also your more than 10 year penipu scammer history as well
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Aug 29 2019, 06:16 PM)
Thanks. I try to treat most of /k seriously if possible and share what little knowledge and experience I have. I know there are some troll posters and the troll topics here and avoid those if I can. Sometimes though, cannot avoid running into posters like him because they sengaja seek you out to cari gaduh.

The money trail should be "easily established" because there is no way to transfer around sums that massive without going through the interbank system. I am not sure even the Macau junkets are willing to hang on to cash in the hundreds of millions; the security detail you would need to take care of transfer of sums that large would be enormous.

I think more importantly, when Najib and co. were carrying out their early operation (i.e. before it was whistle-blown or before fei cai was caught partying with Paris Hilton in LA), they were doing it so openly, blatantly and in such apparent disregard of the public in Malaysia that these has now come to bite them back in the ass (the laundering / money trail was not camouflaged as well as it could have been). This should be accredited to the sheer arrogance that UMNO was having back in those days; they thought they were invincible and would never lose an election, and the public would not care how they plundered the country's coffers. If they were launching a proper laundering op, they would do a lot of cash transfers between jurisdictions in order to wash the monies clean and to prevent tracking of the monies into "official accounts". Monies in the millions of USD getting transferred into Najib's personal kitty (and him then using the money) just gave AMLA a firm tick on the checkbox.

Would also be fun to see how Goldman Sachs gets implicated or cooperates in all this. I think to reduce their liability / exposure to the crimes they have aided and abetted in, Goldman will cooperate by detailing all the "sham loans" they helped 1MDB structure. If Goldman witnesses come forward and say they structured those loans because there was implicit guarantees from the very top of the Malaysian government, Najib will be GG-ed on most of the charges as well. Clear abuse of power there and intent to commit fraud.

There is a reason why it took so long for the AG Chambers to properly charge Najib and drag him to court... it is because constructing a case with this many chains and leads and connections takes time, and if you want to secure convictions on the biggest charges, you better damn well make sure your own case is airtight, and the defence's case is bullshit. From the looks of the opening statement, the prosecution have made the container "airtight" enough on most of the charges (contrary to what that moron, LamTin, thinks). This should be a good display of Malaysia's legal industry's abilities.
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Yes, I agree with you on the "easily established" money trails. I suppose USA has done all the hard work and the prosecutor just need to validate again and again to ensure nothing is missing. Najib's defense is more on technicality and denial, how the discovery was not done in accordance to procedure and all the bullshit excuses to delay and delay. I agree it's a though case to prosecute with so many complex money trails, much more complex than the Anwar sodomee many years ago.

One thing I think news media can do better is to simplify the pictures. Najib allegedly created several sham projects, raised funds to invest in those projects and took a big cut on the fund raised. He did that several times (again, allegedly). If the media can simplify it by putting the number of projects/investments and indicating how much was raised and how much was "stolen" from each of the projects, it helps the general public to understand the context of the prosecution. Most people I spoke too only knew Najib stole 2.6B from 1MDB, but they didn't understand how he did it.
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QUOTE(Earthman @ Aug 29 2019, 06:59 PM)
Yes, I agree with you on the "easily established" money trails. I suppose USA has done all the hard work and the prosecutor just need to validate again and again to ensure nothing is missing. Najib's defense is more on technicality and denial, how the discovery was not done in accordance to procedure and all the bullshit excuses to delay and delay. I agree it's a though case to prosecute with so many complex money trails, much more complex than the Anwar sodomee many years ago. 

One thing I think news media can do better is to simplify the pictures. Najib allegedly created several sham projects, raised funds to invest in those projects and took a big cut on the fund raised. He did that several times (again, allegedly). If the media can simplify it by putting the number of projects/investments and indicating how much was raised and how much was "stolen" from each of the projects, it helps the general public to understand the context of the prosecution. Most people I spoke too only knew Najib stole 2.6B from 1MDB, but they didn't understand how he did it.
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In addition, 1MDB is just a part of a very big iceberg. The stories I heard from the ECRL project, PNB, SP Setia, etc......

*shakes head*
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 03:18 PM)
Err,  Is there any law states that party leader must make a public announcement for any political donation received under the constitution? If yes please state it here for research purpose ya.

And i dont think lying is a crime. Everyone lies at least once in their lifetime i guess...
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 05:31 PM)
Can you show which law states that political donation cannot be sent to private account?
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Normally when it comes to lamtin's posts, i just treat it as a joke. But this here is seriously retarded even for his standard.

See, this is how he use retarded logic in his arguments, its like saying stealing rm123.45 is not a crime because the law did not specifically says "stealing rm123.45 is a crime"

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Lamtim i suggest u stop argue becos ppl already tired with your stupid statement.
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lamtin datang lagi, everyone stop giving him attention and stop replying to his posts
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 03:34 PM)
Lets focus on 1mdb 2.3B matter. Dont everything also mentioned jho as it is quite irrelevant in this case. For src case its relevant because former manager yu said she listened instruction from jho which is against the bank rules.

Its you or the DPP to prove the money is not from political donation. Not for the defence to prove at this stage bro. Can you prove the money is from where?
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the money trails all summarised here, data compiled from DOJ, FBI court documents into simple charts diagrams:

'Stolen' 1MDB Funds: The DOJ Lawsuit Revisited
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Good Star Phase
http://pages.malaysiakini.com/1mdb/en/svg/m-goodstar.svg

Aabar-BVI Phase
http://pages.malaysiakini.com/1mdb/en/svg/m-aabarbvi.svg

Tanore Phase
http://pages.malaysiakini.com/1mdb/en/svg/m-tanore.svg

Options Buyback Phase
http://pages.malaysiakini.com/1mdb/en/svg/m-buyback.svg
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How bout this

Everyone just put lamtin in the ignore list and we’ll just have a better conversation without this attention deficit idiot barging in and try to get recognized for his moronic “arguments”
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Aug 29 2019, 08:12 PM)
Normally when it comes to lamtin's posts, i just treat it as a joke. But this here is seriously retarded even for his standard.

See, this is how he use retarded logic in his arguments, its like saying stealing rm123.45 is not a crime because the law did not specifically says "stealing rm123.45 is a crime"

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He's always had his own deluded brand of logic. You show him the facts also he will be in denial and insist he's right. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Aug 29 2019, 10:18 PM)
How bout this

Everyone just put lamtin in the ignore list and we’ll just have a better conversation without this attention deficit idiot barging in and try to get recognized for his moronic “arguments”
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No need, let himself learn the money trails given n realised how stupid he is for such denial syndrome just like the other crazy lunatic brainless macai2 that still support lanunku
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 10:07 PM)
Please dont be surprised if these money trails will not be showed out in the court later.
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Sri Ram opening statement clearly follow the above sequence of money trails (by time periodical)

it maybe shown as summary of events given that its impossible to read it all

what is important is to the show how/where/when the cilok took place
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Aug 29 2019, 10:18 PM)
How bout this

Everyone just put lamtin in the ignore list and we’ll just have a better conversation without this attention deficit idiot barging in and try to get recognized for his moronic “arguments”
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Thanks for the heads up. I completely forgot there was an ignore option available.

You have chosen to ignore LamTin.. View this post · Un-ignore LamTin.

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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 10:51 PM)

Well. Its good if gopal can show all the bank statements, the bank officers from overseas and also directors of tanore and gold stars to testify. We shall wait and see until it happens before you being cocky okay?

Or he just shows out the paper trails tat u posted here and bank statements from ambank and thats it?
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Glad that i can turn u into a believer n finally u can see the truth
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Thanks for the heads up. I completely forgot there was an ignore option available.

You have chosen to ignore LamTin.. View this post · Un-ignore LamTin.
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Much better aint it? Lol
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Much better aint it? Lol
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Much better.

Reasoning with stupid people is an exercise in futility and while the cheap entertainment from bashing them can be amusing, after a while, you start feeling stupid at the waste of time dealing with such people and it is best to cut your time and ties with them ASAP.
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 29 2019, 04:44 PM)
I never say he is clean. But its you to prove he is not clean. Its up to the donor to transfer to which account. And under the law, jibby has no obligation to declare the amount and info. Its the ambank who leaked it.

You are the one kind of die die to say people is not clean but cannot showing the evidence and being prejudiced. Hate this kind of people.
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Yeap, conveniently forgotten all the humanly sign and actions taken by replacing DPM, AG, BN Governer... IGP.. to do what?
And, First of all, if there is even a donor... that's already a clear sign.

Die die want ppl to proof jibby no evidence no fault, at times, we need to have conscience...in life.
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QUOTE(adamhzm90 @ Aug 28 2019, 02:06 PM)
Worse part is so many people still worshipping dat bastard
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All have been getting free money from him all this while ma
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 30 2019, 01:20 PM)
I think at this stage no point arguing since we have no access with all the documents that sri ram and shafee have.

Btw you mean the letters that jibby is holding about the donation is fake?

I just focus on this case. You need to clear your mind and focus on this case. If you bring in everything into the case then you are bound to be prejudiced against the accused.
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You need to look at it on the hollistically, we are not lawyer, the court will works on its technicality discussion here and there.
But let's look at it chronologically, from the response and headlines by Jibby since the 1MDB exposure. It does tell a story and not otherwise.

If you plug it in at the right time line, they were denying it from all angles till someone cook up the donation story..then start building from there to get things....through... yeah yeah.. you can only fool certain ppl but no all ppl.


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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 30 2019, 02:20 PM)
I think at this stage no point arguing since we have no access with all the documents that sri ram and shafee have.

Btw you mean the letters that jibby is holding about the donation is fake?

I just focus on this case. You need to clear your mind and focus on this case. If you bring in everything into the case then you are bound to be prejudiced against the accused.
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Was Jho Low's associate behind Najib's Saudi prince letters?
27 Oct 2018 SoS

...Letters purportedly from 'Saud Abdulaziz Al-Saud' bear striking resemblance to a series of letters to Jho Low.

...these letters – signed off by one "Saud Abdulaziz Al-Saud" – are very similar to a separate series of letters to fugitive financier Low Taek Jho from his close associate Eric Tan Kim Loong.
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 30 2019, 02:11 PM)
Since you have not studied law, you duno what are the elements to prove corruption and money laundering. Its not like oh money entered your account then you are guilty. If so easy, then people transferred 1million into your account, so you plead guilty?

You need to prove jibby was involved and the mastermind of this 1mdb scandal. You need to call up the directors of good star and tanore to testify why the money entered jibby's account. Its not as easy as you think. No matter how sure are you that jibby is the father of all scandals, you need to prove it inside the court that jibby was involved and he was aware.

If nobita bungalow case was not dropped, and if dpp were able to prove miss phang had business relation with the state gov, nobita can be convicted as well.
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1st. If someone transfer 1 million to my account, I'll get alert and contact bank to defend myself. Not in Najib's case, no contest from him but kept issuing cheques beyond his mean. That's LAW.

Well, we need to prove jibby was involved, well... similarly like many case, we need to understand motive and ultimate beneficiary. In this case, guess who is spending money like no tomorrow?

Why bring Nobita in? no more facts to defend Jibby, need to pull other case to divert attention ka? no need lah.. my full attention is on Jibby's case.
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 30 2019, 02:29 PM)
He said he gonna received billions of donation from arab. Why should he get alert or anything? Proven by the letters from arab.

Still need to prove he ordered tanore or gold star directors to transfer the money. If the directors can testify against him , then bijan is gg. But can gopal prove?  Just stay tuned.

Just to guide you on how to prove the case.
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He said he gonna received billions of donations from Arab? Proven by the letters from Arab <- Well, you are jumping the gun here and following Jibby's storyline as in whatever he claim is the truth, then we have to prove him otherwise ...hahaha

Like I mentioned, you need to look into this holistically with chronology (timeline), all these donations and etc were not there during the exposure, which later put in to buff his storyline. There you mentioned law and technical, macam very knowledgable, but now you want to use something like a letter from arab, which is unverified to claim that is a real donation wor... Keep your story straight can ar?

The tanore and gold star directors are witness itself, but there is no denying of digital money trail provided as REAL evidences by international banks... well you can try say, aaah! those can be fake too.. haha don't be so naive....

There is no need to guide me to prove the case, after all, whatever we say will not the be effective. But I wish to guide you to look at things holistically and chronologically. Else, you very easy let ppl tipu ar....
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 30 2019, 03:36 PM)
Hey, can you stop all the story telling by repeat and repeating? Can you prove najib was involved or not and prove that he ordered for the transfer?

You are so naive. How can tanore and gold star are the witness itself? You think the companies can suddenly transfer money into ur account so cute? Who transferred the fund? Who ordered the bank to transfer? Actually you know nothing but concluded the accused as guilty?
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You type so many words, but all floating at high level with clear denial of real facts. If I kept repeating the same statements, which means the person intend to understand kept pusing pusing and not facing the real issue here. You have such blessing for me to spent time to guide you. Else, you will keep saying, U not lawyer, U no evidence, U no study, U no here and NO there... at the end.. talk like no talk like that, janji, Eh my beloved Jibby is clean... funny lah you.

But again, if you cannot win them, why not confuse them...like your bossku

Last but not least, it is not for me nor U to say he is guilty or not. But then for sane person with good logical deduction, he cannot run far. =)

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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 30 2019, 03:57 PM)
Do you agree you cannot prove jibby was involved in 1mdb scandal?
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Do you agree, that you die die wanna proof your boss innocent..I dunno, I just stupidly spend money... I duno, ... I just simply change my DPM, AG, IGP and BN Governer....

or.. I dunno Jho Low, eeh Jho Low is important for middle east..... eeeh.. Jho Low cheat me.....

We can always agree to disagree
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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Aug 30 2019, 04:03 PM)
Its on your ball to prove that the accused is guilty but not me to prove the accused is innocent. Duh!
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What ball are you talking about? you have KPI, I don't have ar...
I just need to logically deduce based on real facts and motive ar...

And you too don't have to defend him so kuat ar, I never claim you need too ar.. why so emo?

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