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post Aug 15 2019, 12:24 AM, updated 4 months ago

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Serious guys....sometimes u have to listem to everything rather than part of it. Provide transcript


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“… Malaysia menjadi Muslim sepenuhnya. Kemudian Cina datang, India datang, orang Inggeris (British) datang. Mereka adalah tetamu baru kita. Kamu tahu tak yang ada orang yang panggil saya seorang tetamu? Jadi saya kata, sebelum saya (datang), kaum Cina adalah tetamu. Jika kamu mahu tetamu baru keluar dulu, minta tetamu lama pulang. Kaum Cina, kebanyakan dari mereka tidak lahir di sini, mungkin generasi baru, ya (lahir di sini). Jika kamu mahu tetamu itu pulang, dan tetamu lain yang membawa keamanan dalam sesuatu komuniti tersebut, mereka (tetamu itu) membawa manfaat kepada keluarga itu,”  – Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Malaysiakini.

Berikut merupakan transkrip lebih panjang berdasarkan konteks yang kami sediakan berdasarkan video itu:

“Which muslim army went to indonesia which has the largest muslim population in the world?
Which muslim army went to Malaysia? Which muslim army went to east coast of Afrika? 
Where many countries the majority population are muslim. Which sword? They did by the class.
Traders went.
Which army went to Malaysia?
Which army went to Indonesia?
The majority almost all were non muslim then all became muslim masya allah.
And Later on, more people are coming afterwards, Malaysia became fully muslim, then you have the chinese coming, the indian coming, the british coming, 
They are all new guest. There are somebody call me a guest. But I said before me the chinese are the guest. The aren’t born here.
If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back. The chinese, never born here most of them. Maybe the  new generation yes. If you want the guest to go back and those guest which are bringing peace to the community, there are benefit for the family.” – Transcript of Dr Zakir Naik speech by Buletin TTKM.

Terjemahan oleh Buletin TTKM:

“Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Indonesia yang mempunyai penduduk muslim terbesar di dunia?
Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Malaysia? Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke pantai timur Afrika,dimana banyak negara penduduk majoriti adalah muslim. Pedang mana? Mereka lakukan oleh kelas.
Pedagang yang pergi.
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Malaysia?
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Indonesia?
Majoriti (populasi) hampir semua bukan muslim kemudian semuanya menjadi muslim, Masya allah.
Dan kemudian, lebih ramai orang  datang selepas itu, Malaysia menjadi muslim sepenuhnya, maka anda ada kedatangan cina, kedatangan orang India, kedatangan british, Mereka semua adalah tetamu baru. Ada orang yang memanggil saya tetamu. Tetapi saya katakan sebelum ini cina adalah tetamu. The bukan lahir di sini.
Jika anda mahu tetamu baru pergi dahulu, tanyakan tetamu lama untuk kembali. Cina, tidak pernah lahir di sini kebanyakannya. Mungkin generasi baru ya (lahir di sini). Jika anda mahu tetamu balik dan tetamu yang membawa keamanan kepada masyarakat, ada manfaat untuk keluarga itu. “– Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Buletin TTKM



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post Aug 15 2019, 12:26 AM

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Oh...ok. Now it's alright.
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:24 AM)
Serious guys....sometimes u have to listem to everything rather than part of it. Provide transcript
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But still same no ?
Ask the guest balik
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(blueblueoutofblue @ Aug 15 2019, 12:27 AM)
But still same no ?
Ask the guest balik
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some more his history fail

chinese/indian came before perlembagaan Malaysia rclxub.gif rclxub.gif


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post Aug 15 2019, 12:30 AM

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its ok, you can shove the full context up your ass.
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:30 AM

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So Makini fake news?
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:32 AM

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Doesn't matter. Still triggered
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:32 AM

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There's no more guests when Malaysia formed.
When Malaysia gained her independence, we are all Malaysians.
What bullshit is this so called guests?
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:34 AM

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eh sohai, the "old guests" are mostly dead now or are in their 80s or 90s. The rests are just as Malaysians as you.
Zakir Naik is just trying to equate his status to be the same as a citizen whose grandparents came here to help out the economy and grow the country. The fuckin worm of a zakir naik has done nothing but preach hate and lies to any fools who are willing to be sheeps.
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Aug 14 2019, 04:28 PM)
some more his history fail

chinese/indian came before perlembagaan Malaysia  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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There's no more guests when Malaysia formed.
When Malaysia gained her independence, we are all Malaysians.
What bullshit is this so called guests?
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orang tak sedar diri mmg mcm tu. Fikir diri dia hebat

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post Aug 15 2019, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 14 2019, 04:24 PM)
Serious guys....sometimes u have to listem to everything rather than part of it. Provide transcript
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dia nak cerita pasal tiada tentera yg datang ke malaysia indonesia, tapi alhamdulillah jadi islam. lepas tu org cina datang, orang india dtg, orang british datang. orang panggil dia tetamu, tapi sebelum ini orang cina pun tetamu. kalau mahu halau tetamu baru, kena suruh tetamu lama pun balik. orang cina, kebanyakan tidak lahir disini, generasi baru, ya. kalau mahu tetamu balik, mereka bawa keamanan dan manfaat kepada keluarga.

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As predict..malaysiakini.. freemalaysiatoday.. is just rubbish like sin chew daily...

Really plotek punye
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:36 AM

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if chinese and indian came after malay became muslim,.. how come ancient malay was hindu and buddhist ??.. how come malay langauage adopt chinese and indian language ??
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we needed an "outsider" to teach us how our culture work?

It's like someone came into your house and tell you how you should wash your underwear.
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:39 AM

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Where is the tered that want report TS yesterday?
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TS, you do realize if Rising Penis keep his old act up, stupid young local muslims are going to be encouraged to commit acts of terrorism inside our country and last I check, muslims in general are the majority of the casualties when terrorism occur in a muslim majority country such as Malaysia.

Regret can't resurrect dead people, just saying.
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(KorkorBesar @ Aug 15 2019, 12:39 AM)
TS, you do realize if Rising Penis keep his old act up, stupid young local muslims are going to be encouraged to commit acts of terrorism inside our country and last I check, muslims in general are the majority of the casualties when terrorism occur in a muslim majority country such as Malaysia.

Regret can't resurrect dead people, just saying.
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Show me where does his word leads to terrorism? Even the first news that accuse zakir naik condone terroris has made retractment of the wholle article
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Fuck is this kind of english?
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(darknessfx2018 @ Aug 15 2019, 12:34 AM)
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deiii you still on ketum?

born in malaysia = citizen.

that was for older generation who were not born in Malaysia.

Those who challenged the constitution faced the consequences : Chin Peng kena buang negeri, lee kuan yew and singapore were seperated from Msia

when MPs for Kinabatangan and Baling shouted in parliament to "balik cina", they were forced to retract their statements. just imagine, if a non-muslim preacher belittles Islam, will you sit at home quietly?

This time its far worse as a piece of trash from another country is insulting the current Malaysian generations, who were born and raised in Malaysia and call it home.

Wait and see la, when the floodgates open and 200 mil indian muslims start flooding the country in the name of persecution, wonder if you will still be singing the same tune whistling.gif whistling.gif (dont forget tun M bloodline is 50% <insert race here>) whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:41 AM)
Show me where does his word leads to terrorism? Even the first news that accuse zakir naik condone  terroris has made retractment of the wholle article
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remember el Paso case

the gunner shot down pipul because of immigrant thingy

he was encourage by trump speech indirectly smile.gif

hopefully nothing similar happening in Malaysia.


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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:41 AM)
Show me where does his word leads to terrorism? Even the first news that accuse zakir naik condone  terroris has made retractment of the wholle article
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I hope Zakir Naik and supporter burn in hell for being racist.


QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:24 AM)
Serious guys....sometimes u have to listem to everything rather than part of it. Provide transcript
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Listen video here

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“… Malaysia menjadi Muslim sepenuhnya. Kemudian Cina datang, India datang, orang Inggeris (British) datang. Mereka adalah tetamu baru kita. Kamu tahu tak yang ada orang yang panggil saya seorang tetamu? Jadi saya kata, sebelum saya (datang), kaum Cina adalah tetamu. Jika kamu mahu tetamu baru keluar dulu, minta tetamu lama pulang. Kaum Cina, kebanyakan dari mereka tidak lahir di sini, mungkin generasi baru, ya (lahir di sini). Jika kamu mahu tetamu itu pulang, dan tetamu lain yang membawa keamanan dalam sesuatu komuniti tersebut, mereka (tetamu itu) membawa manfaat kepada keluarga itu,”  – Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Malaysiakini.

Berikut merupakan transkrip lebih panjang berdasarkan konteks yang kami sediakan berdasarkan video itu:

“Which muslim army went to indonesia which has the largest muslim population in the world?
Which muslim army went to Malaysia? Which muslim army went to east coast of Afrika? 
Where many countries the majority population are muslim. Which sword? They did by the class.
Traders went.
Which army went to Malaysia?
Which army went to Indonesia?
The majority almost all were non muslim then all became muslim masya allah.
And Later on, more people are coming afterwards, Malaysia became fully muslim, then you have the chinese coming, the indian coming, the british coming, 
They are all new guest. There are somebody call me a guest. But I said before me the chinese are the guest. The aren’t born here.
If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back. The chinese, never born here most of them. Maybe the  new generation yes. If you want the guest to go back and those guest which are bringing peace to the community, there are benefit for the family.” – Transcript of Dr Zakir Naik speech by Buletin TTKM.

Terjemahan oleh Buletin TTKM:

“Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Indonesia yang mempunyai penduduk muslim terbesar di dunia?
Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Malaysia? Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke pantai timur Afrika,dimana banyak negara penduduk majoriti adalah muslim. Pedang mana? Mereka lakukan oleh kelas.
Pedagang yang pergi.
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Malaysia?
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Indonesia?
Majoriti (populasi) hampir semua bukan muslim kemudian semuanya menjadi muslim, Masya allah.
Dan kemudian, lebih ramai orang  datang selepas itu, Malaysia menjadi muslim sepenuhnya, maka anda ada kedatangan cina, kedatangan orang India, kedatangan british, Mereka semua adalah tetamu baru. Ada orang yang memanggil saya tetamu. Tetapi saya katakan sebelum ini cina adalah tetamu. The bukan lahir di sini.
Jika anda mahu tetamu baru pergi dahulu, tanyakan tetamu lama untuk kembali. Cina, tidak pernah lahir di sini kebanyakannya. Mungkin generasi baru ya (lahir di sini). Jika anda mahu tetamu balik dan tetamu yang membawa keamanan kepada masyarakat, ada manfaat untuk keluarga itu. “– Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Buletin TTKM
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Aug 15 2019, 12:48 AM)

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Similar like malaysiakini caselah....only quote partially. Not everything.
He want to say somemore what koran teach but the video cut
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 15 2019, 12:57 AM)
I hope Zakir Naik and supporter burn in hell for being racist.
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U semua benda pun racist
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ZN is a retard being supported by " insert sendiri "


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I'd hardly consider him as bringing peace to the family with his rather outlandish statements really.

Plus the timing is kinda all wrong, so even listening to the whole video, he is still getting it wrong

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ok. understood.

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Hari hari racing. Oi tak boring ke..
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:58 AM)
U semua benda pun racist
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Yg tuh bkn rasis tuh haper? Ko ni bodoh ke?
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shit stirrer. now he is trying to destroy Malaysia. and so many bodoh plotex-plotex this orang luar
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That's why I always ask... What he said is wrong..? . If wrong.. Please saman.... Bila nak saman.?...selasa depan?

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 14 2019, 05:29 PM)
Yg tuh bkn rasis tuh haper? Ko ni bodoh ke?
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QUOTE(darknessfx2018 @ Aug 15 2019, 01:44 AM)

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Apa ketahian yg ko post tuh? Zakar Naik tuh Melayu ke? Ko ni mmg anak bangsat
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 14 2019, 05:45 PM)
Apa ketahian yg ko post tuh? Zakar Naik tuh Melayu ke? Ko ni mmg anak bangsat
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Mahacai dewa nie.. trigger butthurt btol
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shit stirrer. now he is trying to destroy Malaysia. and so many bodoh plotex-plotex this orang luar
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if you watch "the whole video", then only u will understand.

that part about guest is taken out of context.

this speech title is "misconceptions about islam".

as he move points by points until no.4, point number 4 is the misconception about islam that says "islam spreads by sword (by force)" . so he give his points up until how islam is spread in malaysia, not by force. so later on comes to that sensitive part.

the media only take "that" part and use "their interpretation" of his speech. this is how you kill a character, by take small part of the words and translate it into different meaning.

the irony part is, if you notice before he starts point number 4, he did mention about "always check your facts before spreading it, if not sure, and u cant find the source, dont spread it" ..

the way "zakir naik haters" take this topic is similar to how the americans take it when mahathir says "the jews rule the world by proxy" speech.


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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Aug 15 2019, 01:04 AM)
I'd hardly consider him as bringing peace to the family with his rather outlandish statements really.

Plus the timing is kinda all wrong, so even listening to the whole video, he is still getting it wrong
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QUOTE(tsunade @ Aug 15 2019, 01:37 AM)
shit stirrer. now he is trying to destroy Malaysia. and so many bodoh plotex-plotex this orang luar
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Aug 15 2019, 02:24 AM)
if you watch "the whole video", then only u will understand.

that part about guest is taken out of context.

this speech title is "misconceptions about islam".

as he move points by points until no.4, point number 4 is the misconception about islam that says "islam spreads by sword (by force)" . so he give his points up until how islam is spread in malaysia, not by force. so later on comes to that sensitive part.

the media only take "that" part and use "their interpretation" of his speech. this is how you kill a character, by take small part of the words and translate it into different meaning.

the irony part is, if you notice before he starts point number 4, he did mention about "always check your facts before spreading it, if not sure, and u cant find the source, dont spread it" ..

the way "zakir naik haters" take this topic is similar to how the americans take it when mahathir says "the jews rule the world by proxy" speech.
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full video : https://youtu.be/jp3by-8yVl4

topics starts at ..

56:08 .. about checking your facts before spreading it

57:40 .. about misconception on islam spread by force

1:03:30 .. this is the 'guest' part

but, as usual.. you chose to be ignorance
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Zakar naik keep causing more controversies and trouble here. Can't we just ship him out in a container to somewhere? Dah duduk selamat sini nak stir shit lagi.
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Did he tell Mahathir to go back to India too?
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:24 AM)
Serious guys....sometimes u have to listem to everything rather than part of it. Provide transcript
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Listen video here

I dont know how to ebeed video from fb

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...92&id=716388591

“… Malaysia menjadi Muslim sepenuhnya. Kemudian Cina datang, India datang, orang Inggeris (British) datang. Mereka adalah tetamu baru kita. Kamu tahu tak yang ada orang yang panggil saya seorang tetamu? Jadi saya kata, sebelum saya (datang), kaum Cina adalah tetamu. Jika kamu mahu tetamu baru keluar dulu, minta tetamu lama pulang. Kaum Cina, kebanyakan dari mereka tidak lahir di sini, mungkin generasi baru, ya (lahir di sini). Jika kamu mahu tetamu itu pulang, dan tetamu lain yang membawa keamanan dalam sesuatu komuniti tersebut, mereka (tetamu itu) membawa manfaat kepada keluarga itu,”  – Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Malaysiakini.

Berikut merupakan transkrip lebih panjang berdasarkan konteks yang kami sediakan berdasarkan video itu:

“Which muslim army went to indonesia which has the largest muslim population in the world?
Which muslim army went to Malaysia? Which muslim army went to east coast of Afrika? 
Where many countries the majority population are muslim. Which sword? They did by the class.
Traders went.
Which army went to Malaysia?
Which army went to Indonesia?
The majority almost all were non muslim then all became muslim masya allah.
And Later on, more people are coming afterwards, Malaysia became fully muslim, then you have the chinese coming, the indian coming, the british coming, 
They are all new guest. There are somebody call me a guest. But I said before me the chinese are the guest. The aren’t born here.
If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back. The chinese, never born here most of them. Maybe the  new generation yes. If you want the guest to go back and those guest which are bringing peace to the community, there are benefit for the family.” – Transcript of Dr Zakir Naik speech by Buletin TTKM.

Terjemahan oleh Buletin TTKM:

“Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Indonesia yang mempunyai penduduk muslim terbesar di dunia?
Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Malaysia? Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke pantai timur Afrika,dimana banyak negara penduduk majoriti adalah muslim. Pedang mana? Mereka lakukan oleh kelas.
Pedagang yang pergi.
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Malaysia?
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Indonesia?
Majoriti (populasi) hampir semua bukan muslim kemudian semuanya menjadi muslim, Masya allah.
Dan kemudian, lebih ramai orang  datang selepas itu, Malaysia menjadi muslim sepenuhnya, maka anda ada kedatangan cina, kedatangan orang India, kedatangan british, Mereka semua adalah tetamu baru. Ada orang yang memanggil saya tetamu. Tetapi saya katakan sebelum ini cina adalah tetamu. The bukan lahir di sini.
Jika anda mahu tetamu baru pergi dahulu, tanyakan tetamu lama untuk kembali. Cina, tidak pernah lahir di sini kebanyakannya. Mungkin generasi baru ya (lahir di sini). Jika anda mahu tetamu balik dan tetamu yang membawa keamanan kepada masyarakat, ada manfaat untuk keluarga itu. “– Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Buletin TTKM
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bang, tanya dia kenapa tarik bangsa lain ke dalam air terjun, dalam dialog dia? sampai Masya allah dan full stop kan bagus? dry.gif

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Aug 15 2019, 02:24 AM)
if you watch "the whole video", then only u will understand.

that part about guest is taken out of context.

this speech title is "misconceptions about islam".

as he move points by points until no.4, point number 4 is the misconception about islam that says "islam spreads by sword (by force)" . so he give his points up until how islam is spread in malaysia, not by force. so later on comes to that sensitive part.

the media only take "that" part and use "their interpretation" of his speech. this is how you kill a character, by take small part of the words and translate it into different meaning.

the irony part is, if you notice before he starts point number 4, he did mention about "always check your facts before spreading it, if not sure, and u cant find the source, dont spread it" ..

the way "zakir naik haters" take this topic is similar to how the americans take it when mahathir says "the jews rule the world by proxy" speech.
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truth, mix with half-truth and mix with lies. and how people are blinded by it.
Truth : Islam was not spread to this part of the world by force. Was by Muslim traders
Half-truth : Islam was spread to Malaysia - Malaysia does not exist at that point of time
False : Chinese aren't born in Malaysia. Then he corrected himself to most Chinese are not born in Malaysia, only the new generation is - most migrants have since passed away. we are on our 3rd,4th,5th generations here. Some way longer.
False : Chinese and Indians are guest of Malaysia - we are citizens and most are born and raised here.

He called your fellow Malaysians guest of Malaysia. Do you agree with him?
He talked about checking facts before spreading it. But did he get his facts right?
He talked about misconception. What was he doing at that speech with his false "facts"? Was he not spreading it?

You asked others to watch the whole speech to not misunderstand him. It is true, he spoke a lot of facts about Islam. Then he slips in his views here and there. Falsehoods about the nons. And you consciously or subconsciously accepted everything that he said.

Look at what is happening now. Especially at this sensitive time for our country. Look at the multiple threads in this forum alone.
Is this not a shit stirrer?
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BAGAIMANA ANDA TERTIPU DENGAN MALAYSIAKINI

Hari ini ramai melompat berkongsi artikel yang sama daripada Mkini mengenai kenyataan Zakir Naik mahu menghalau orang Cina.

Dr Zakir Naik bukan maksum dari kesilapan, tapi saya rasa ramai orang x menilai dengan adil. Biar saya jelaskan.

1) Kalau hanya ambil quote

"before me, the Chinese were the guests. If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back."

Sudah tentu kenyataan ini berbaur hasutan dan rasis. Tapi manalah adil untuk menilai ucapan hanya dengan satu ayat yang tiada konteks?

Sebab itu kita dapat faham konteks, sebelum beliau sebut tentang itu, pada awal ucapan sebenarnya beliau sedang menerangkan tentang sejarah Malaysia.

"(historically,) the majority (of Malaysians) almost all were non-Muslims and almost all became Muslims MashaAllah."

Masih lagi bercakap tentang sejarah, beliau menyambung:

"Later on, there are people coming afterwards."

"Malaysia, (which) became fully Muslim, then you have the Chinese come in, the Indians come in... They are our new guests."

Saya nak highlight macam mana beliau gunakan terma "tetamu". Bagi saya itu pun dah tunjukkan niat beliau baik. Ada banyak sahaja cara untuk menggambarkan imigran, tapi beliau sebut "tetamu"; orang yang dialu-alukan.

2) Kemudian dia selit pasal kes dia. Bagaimana orang pun panggil dia tetamu;

"Somebody called me a guest (like the chinese). Before me, the chinese were the guest."

"They (the chinese) arent born here (seperti beliau). Most of them. Maybe the new generation, yes."

Jelas dia bukan mudah2 nak halau semua cina. Kalau tak, dia takkan mengaku ada generasi baru yang memang warganegara.

"So if you want the new guest (merujuk pada beliau, yang dah ada taraf penduduk tetap) to go first, ask the old guest to go back."

Statement ni dia nak buat analogi, kenapa orang Hindu ekstremis nak halau dia sedangkan dia pun tetamu seperti Cina?

Ya, kita boleh baca statement tu dengan nada menghalau, atau nada nak buat perumpamaan, your choice.

3) Ramai orang kata Zakir Naik melampau, orang Cina juga adalah keluarga kita juga!

Jelas anda tak dengar sampai habis,

"If you want the guest to go back, and those guests (Chinese, or himself) are bringing peace in the community, they are benefit for the family (Malaysia)."

Bagi saya, jelaslah beliau bukannya suruh kita halau Cina pun. Tak nampak apa motif beliau nak halau, tapi masih gelar mereka tetamu, dan bawa manfaat bagi "keluarga".

Permainan Malaysiakini jelas hanya nak petik ayat kontroversi untuk timbulkan perpecahan.

Malaysiakini ada pilihan untuk petik macam-macam kenyataan Dr Zakir Naik, tetapi mereka faham orang tak akan melompat kalau ianya bukan satu statement yang menyentuh perkauman. Dan mereka faham rakyat Malaysia ni mudah tertipu.

Hatta pak menteri pun boleh terpedaya sampai cepat mengkritik. Begitu licik hasutan MKini.

Berhati-hati dengan fitnah akhir zaman. Bila MKini buat artikel, double and triple check sebelum percaya.

Kita semua dah lali dah dengan berapa kali MKini putar belit kenyataan demi nak timbulkan kontroversi, meramaikan pembacanya. Tak payahlah percaya lagi media kaki putar.

Nabi SAW dah beri amaran pada kita:

“Akan datang kepada manusia tahun-tahun yang penuh dengan tipuan. Pada waktu itu si pendusta dikatakan benar dan orang yang benar dikatakan dusta..." HR Ibnu Majah

Semoga Allah menyelamatkan kita daripada fitnah.
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BAGAIMANA ANDA TERTIPU DENGAN MALAYSIAKINI

Hari ini ramai melompat berkongsi artikel yang sama daripada Mkini mengenai kenyataan Zakir Naik mahu menghalau orang Cina.

Dr Zakir Naik bukan maksum dari kesilapan, tapi saya rasa ramai orang x menilai dengan adil. Biar saya jelaskan.

1) Kalau hanya ambil quote

"before me, the Chinese were the guests. If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back."

Sudah tentu kenyataan ini berbaur hasutan dan rasis. Tapi manalah adil untuk menilai ucapan hanya dengan satu ayat yang tiada konteks?

Sebab itu kita dapat faham konteks, sebelum beliau sebut tentang itu, pada awal ucapan sebenarnya beliau sedang menerangkan tentang sejarah Malaysia.

"(historically,) the majority (of Malaysians) almost all were non-Muslims and almost all became Muslims MashaAllah."

Masih lagi bercakap tentang sejarah, beliau menyambung:

"Later on, there are people coming afterwards."

"Malaysia, (which) became fully Muslim, then you have the Chinese come in, the Indians come in... They are our new guests."

Saya nak highlight macam mana beliau gunakan terma "tetamu". Bagi saya itu pun dah tunjukkan niat beliau baik. Ada banyak sahaja cara untuk menggambarkan imigran, tapi beliau sebut "tetamu"; orang yang dialu-alukan.

2) Kemudian dia selit pasal kes dia. Bagaimana orang pun panggil dia tetamu;

"Somebody called me a guest (like the chinese). Before me, the chinese were the guest."

"They (the chinese) arent born here (seperti beliau). Most of them. Maybe the new generation, yes."

Jelas dia bukan mudah2 nak halau semua cina. Kalau tak, dia takkan mengaku ada generasi baru yang memang warganegara.

"So if you want the new guest (merujuk pada beliau, yang dah ada taraf penduduk tetap) to go first, ask the old guest to go back."

Statement ni dia nak buat analogi, kenapa orang Hindu ekstremis nak halau dia sedangkan dia pun tetamu seperti Cina?

Ya, kita boleh baca statement tu dengan nada menghalau, atau nada nak buat perumpamaan, your choice.

3) Ramai orang kata Zakir Naik melampau, orang Cina juga adalah keluarga kita juga!

Jelas anda tak dengar sampai habis,

"If you want the guest to go back, and those guests (Chinese, or himself) are bringing peace in the community, they are benefit for the family (Malaysia)."

Bagi saya, jelaslah beliau bukannya suruh kita halau Cina pun. Tak nampak apa motif beliau nak halau, tapi masih gelar mereka tetamu, dan bawa manfaat bagi "keluarga".

Permainan Malaysiakini jelas hanya nak petik ayat kontroversi untuk timbulkan perpecahan.

Malaysiakini ada pilihan untuk petik macam-macam kenyataan Dr Zakir Naik, tetapi mereka faham orang tak akan melompat kalau ianya bukan satu statement yang menyentuh perkauman. Dan mereka faham rakyat Malaysia ni mudah tertipu.

Hatta pak menteri pun boleh terpedaya sampai cepat mengkritik. Begitu licik hasutan MKini.

Berhati-hati dengan fitnah akhir zaman. Bila MKini buat artikel, double and triple check sebelum percaya.

Kita semua dah lali dah dengan berapa kali MKini putar belit kenyataan demi nak timbulkan kontroversi, meramaikan pembacanya. Tak payahlah percaya lagi media kaki putar.

Nabi SAW dah beri amaran pada kita:

“Akan datang kepada manusia tahun-tahun yang penuh dengan tipuan. Pada waktu itu si pendusta dikatakan benar dan orang yang benar dikatakan dusta..." HR Ibnu Majah

Semoga Allah menyelamatkan kita daripada fitnah.
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#donebackup

Preacher realised mistake in the first sentence, tried to backup himself in the second sentence by saying he/race brings peace, however damage is done.

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bang, tanya dia kenapa tarik bangsa lain ke dalam air terjun, dalam dialog dia? sampai Masya allah dan full stop kan bagus?  dry.gif
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This.

And he's ignorant of the nation's history, as well as choose to dictate the politics of the nation, though he himself is an outsider.
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I hope Zakir Naik and supporter burn in hell for being racist.
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But the hell is difnetely for you people, ours we be judged by god.
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It's still the same thing lol. Where got such thing as "old guests" anymore?

Bodo mia Naik laugh.gif
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Unbelievable rather side with outsider with barely zero knowledge of our history
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Orang english tetamu?


Lmao bodo, that is your overlord


Kesian cari maruah macam ni
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Classic tactic. When u r in d light to play r&r card to shift d attention onto others.

Looks like he is quick learner.
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Do you gays know that this Zakir Naik maybe the coming mesiah? Doomsday is coming...you should stand behind him
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Unbelievable rather side with outsider with barely zero knowledge of our history
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pifft.. some who admit they are local also don even know how to speak local language. need translation summore. more worse only accept history that give favor to them and call the rest is bullshit.

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The more you try to justify, the more you look pathetic.
You know this 'tetamu' is wrong but you protek him just because saudara; and sacrificing ur fellow countrymen who has built this nation for decades.
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shit stirrer. now he is trying to destroy Malaysia. and so many bodoh plotex-plotex this orang luar
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Sebab otak kat dubur
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But the hell is difnetely for you people, ours we be judged by god.
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Hahahaha.

Look who just came back from hell
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Do you gays know that this Zakir Naik maybe the coming mesiah? Doomsday is coming...you should stand behind him
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QUOTE(amanu @ Aug 15 2019, 03:43 AM)
BAGAIMANA ANDA TERTIPU DENGAN MALAYSIAKINI

Hari ini ramai melompat berkongsi artikel yang sama daripada Mkini mengenai kenyataan Zakir Naik mahu menghalau orang Cina.

Dr Zakir Naik bukan maksum dari kesilapan, tapi saya rasa ramai orang x menilai dengan adil. Biar saya jelaskan.

1) Kalau hanya ambil quote

"before me, the Chinese were the guests. If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back."

Sudah tentu kenyataan ini berbaur hasutan dan rasis. Tapi manalah adil untuk menilai ucapan hanya dengan satu ayat yang tiada konteks?

Sebab itu kita dapat faham konteks, sebelum beliau sebut tentang itu, pada awal ucapan sebenarnya beliau sedang menerangkan tentang sejarah Malaysia.

"(historically,) the majority (of Malaysians) almost all were non-Muslims and almost all became Muslims MashaAllah."

Masih lagi bercakap tentang sejarah, beliau menyambung:

"Later on, there are people coming afterwards."

"Malaysia, (which) became fully Muslim, then you have the Chinese come in, the Indians come in... They are our new guests."

Saya nak highlight macam mana beliau gunakan terma "tetamu". Bagi saya itu pun dah tunjukkan niat beliau baik. Ada banyak sahaja cara untuk menggambarkan imigran, tapi beliau sebut "tetamu"; orang yang dialu-alukan.

2) Kemudian dia selit pasal kes dia. Bagaimana orang pun panggil dia tetamu;

"Somebody called me a guest (like the chinese). Before me, the chinese were the guest."

"They (the chinese) arent born here (seperti beliau). Most of them. Maybe the new generation, yes."

Jelas dia bukan mudah2 nak halau semua cina. Kalau tak, dia takkan mengaku ada generasi baru yang memang warganegara.

"So if you want the new guest (merujuk pada beliau, yang dah ada taraf penduduk tetap) to go first, ask the old guest to go back."

Statement ni dia nak buat analogi, kenapa orang Hindu ekstremis nak halau dia sedangkan dia pun tetamu seperti Cina?

Ya, kita boleh baca statement tu dengan nada menghalau, atau nada nak buat perumpamaan, your choice.

3) Ramai orang kata Zakir Naik melampau, orang Cina juga adalah keluarga kita juga!

Jelas anda tak dengar sampai habis,

"If you want the guest to go back, and those guests (Chinese, or himself) are bringing peace in the community, they are benefit for the family (Malaysia)."

Bagi saya, jelaslah beliau bukannya suruh kita halau Cina pun. Tak nampak apa motif beliau nak halau, tapi masih gelar mereka tetamu, dan bawa manfaat bagi "keluarga".

Permainan Malaysiakini jelas hanya nak petik ayat kontroversi untuk timbulkan perpecahan.

Malaysiakini ada pilihan untuk petik macam-macam kenyataan Dr Zakir Naik, tetapi mereka faham orang tak akan melompat kalau ianya bukan satu statement yang menyentuh perkauman. Dan mereka faham rakyat Malaysia ni mudah tertipu.

Hatta pak menteri pun boleh terpedaya sampai cepat mengkritik. Begitu licik hasutan MKini.

Berhati-hati dengan fitnah akhir zaman. Bila MKini buat artikel, double and triple check sebelum percaya.

Kita semua dah lali dah dengan berapa kali MKini putar belit kenyataan demi nak timbulkan kontroversi, meramaikan pembacanya. Tak payahlah percaya lagi media kaki putar.

Nabi SAW dah beri amaran pada kita:

“Akan datang kepada manusia tahun-tahun yang penuh dengan tipuan. Pada waktu itu si pendusta dikatakan benar dan orang yang benar dikatakan dusta..." HR Ibnu Majah

Semoga Allah menyelamatkan kita daripada fitnah.
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Lol he already crossed the line when he said most chinese weren't born here <--- Doesn't need lengthy explanation this one laugh.gif

And the fact that he kept calling them tetamu like this is pre-malaysia is just astonishing stuff.

Look. Maybe this writer thought he was speaking higher level speech that one must possesses certain amount of intelligence to decrypt these intellectual stuff AND hypothetically let's say it is, well let me break it to you. Not everyone born the same. Some may interpret it the other way.
If I were a smart ass, I would keep things simple in public and would keep meddling words and playing smart within the circle of smart asses.
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pifft.. some who admit they are local also don even know how to speak local language. need translation summore. more worse only accept history that give favor to them and call the rest is bullshit.
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QUOTE(amanu @ Aug 15 2019, 03:43 AM)
BAGAIMANA ANDA TERTIPU DENGAN MALAYSIAKINI

Hari ini ramai melompat berkongsi artikel yang sama daripada Mkini mengenai kenyataan Zakir Naik mahu menghalau orang Cina.

Dr Zakir Naik bukan maksum dari kesilapan, tapi saya rasa ramai orang x menilai dengan adil. Biar saya jelaskan.

1) Kalau hanya ambil quote

"before me, the Chinese were the guests. If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back."

Sudah tentu kenyataan ini berbaur hasutan dan rasis. Tapi manalah adil untuk menilai ucapan hanya dengan satu ayat yang tiada konteks?

Sebab itu kita dapat faham konteks, sebelum beliau sebut tentang itu, pada awal ucapan sebenarnya beliau sedang menerangkan tentang sejarah Malaysia.

"(historically,) the majority (of Malaysians) almost all were non-Muslims and almost all became Muslims MashaAllah."

Masih lagi bercakap tentang sejarah, beliau menyambung:

"Later on, there are people coming afterwards."

"Malaysia, (which) became fully Muslim, then you have the Chinese come in, the Indians come in... They are our new guests."

Saya nak highlight macam mana beliau gunakan terma "tetamu". Bagi saya itu pun dah tunjukkan niat beliau baik. Ada banyak sahaja cara untuk menggambarkan imigran, tapi beliau sebut "tetamu"; orang yang dialu-alukan.

2) Kemudian dia selit pasal kes dia. Bagaimana orang pun panggil dia tetamu;

"Somebody called me a guest (like the chinese). Before me, the chinese were the guest."

"They (the chinese) arent born here (seperti beliau). Most of them. Maybe the new generation, yes."

Jelas dia bukan mudah2 nak halau semua cina. Kalau tak, dia takkan mengaku ada generasi baru yang memang warganegara.

"So if you want the new guest (merujuk pada beliau, yang dah ada taraf penduduk tetap) to go first, ask the old guest to go back."

Statement ni dia nak buat analogi, kenapa orang Hindu ekstremis nak halau dia sedangkan dia pun tetamu seperti Cina?

Ya, kita boleh baca statement tu dengan nada menghalau, atau nada nak buat perumpamaan, your choice.

3) Ramai orang kata Zakir Naik melampau, orang Cina juga adalah keluarga kita juga!

Jelas anda tak dengar sampai habis,

"If you want the guest to go back, and those guests (Chinese, or himself) are bringing peace in the community, they are benefit for the family (Malaysia)."

Bagi saya, jelaslah beliau bukannya suruh kita halau Cina pun. Tak nampak apa motif beliau nak halau, tapi masih gelar mereka tetamu, dan bawa manfaat bagi "keluarga".

Permainan Malaysiakini jelas hanya nak petik ayat kontroversi untuk timbulkan perpecahan.

Malaysiakini ada pilihan untuk petik macam-macam kenyataan Dr Zakir Naik, tetapi mereka faham orang tak akan melompat kalau ianya bukan satu statement yang menyentuh perkauman. Dan mereka faham rakyat Malaysia ni mudah tertipu.

Hatta pak menteri pun boleh terpedaya sampai cepat mengkritik. Begitu licik hasutan MKini.

Berhati-hati dengan fitnah akhir zaman. Bila MKini buat artikel, double and triple check sebelum percaya.

Kita semua dah lali dah dengan berapa kali MKini putar belit kenyataan demi nak timbulkan kontroversi, meramaikan pembacanya. Tak payahlah percaya lagi media kaki putar.

Nabi SAW dah beri amaran pada kita:

“Akan datang kepada manusia tahun-tahun yang penuh dengan tipuan. Pada waktu itu si pendusta dikatakan benar dan orang yang benar dikatakan dusta..." HR Ibnu Majah

Semoga Allah menyelamatkan kita daripada fitnah.
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This is childish argument. There is no misquoted here from the transcript.

I do understand he wanted to say The religion came in peaceful manner and not through invasion and force. But....

First, historically he is already wrong. How can he be sure 100% of ppl embrace the religion before the other races came. Spinning historical facts and wanna write a new whole chapter of history when he didn’t even a historian.

Second, he is unwanted guest as tdm has already said. Other races are not unwanted “guest” (according to his definition of guest ) and he forgot these “guests” are citizens

So, when he’s being chased out, he use this kiddo argument, “ he’s also guest, wana kick me then kick them first”

At first I have some respect towards him as a preacher but what he said now totally changed my opinion about him. So yeah, maybe it’s time to go.
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thank you for the transcript

i understand english well, thank you very much

it still does not absolve ZN from anything

again i am standing with my Chinese and Indian brothers - you(ZN) is a pendatang with PR status while my Chinese and Indian brothers are Malaysians

I can ask you to GTFO MY COUNTRY but I wont. So please, just leave.

I can only see one 'NEW GUEST' PENDATANG IN THIS CASE AND THAT IS ZAKIR NAIK

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fk u idiot trooper side with a foreign fugitive rather than with your fellow malaysians

bloody traitor
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"If you want the guest to go back, and those guests (Chinese, or himself) are bringing peace in the community, they are benefit for the family (Malaysia)."

Bagi saya, jelaslah beliau bukannya suruh kita halau Cina pun. Tak nampak apa motif beliau nak halau, tapi masih gelar mereka tetamu, dan bawa manfaat bagi "keluarga".
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This sentence doesn't sound right, it is taken out of context.
After "if" there should be an answer to the "if".
Where is the answer here?
If you want the guest to go back, they are benefit for the family?
If you want the guest to go back, those guests are bringing peace in the community?
There is no obvious logical connection/interpretation..

If according to the whole context, it is possible that he said:
If you want the (old) guests (Chinese/Indian/British) to go back, and the (new) guests (like himself) are bringing peace to the community, then it is benefit to the family (Malaysia).

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you guys dont read do you

if you read, u dont understand

if u understand, u simply dont want to

i understand the context of the speech

but WTF is ZN suddenly going on about PEOPLE CALLING HIM PENDATANG AND SO FORTH - WHICH BLOODY PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONTEXT OF THE SPEECH DOES IT FIT INTO?
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Since Malaya time got bumiputera, so basically this place is own by bumiputera (Iban, Khadazan and etc) not Malays. Right?
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he trap himself...so congrats...should just stay at home rather than blabbering here and there...next is thanos move...and thanos will make good one i think...
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This guy is stupid. Does our federal constitution stated it? Is more like imaginary. Thats why the country cannot govt by monkeys. Monkey see monkey does. This what happen to our previous Govt. I pity him, I believe he still.needs to feed the bills and work. Shouting and racist but still kaotao when comes to money. They think money falls from sky.


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trying very hard to protek a clearly wrong statement by blaming Malaysiakini etc

Siapa ZN ni sampai nak jadi Walaun dia?
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QUOTE(waxppl @ Aug 15 2019, 07:46 AM)
stop reading at beliau

calling a convict beliau is not right
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this is what is strange, news portal will use beliau for all types of people,from vip, normal ppl up to convicts
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He just proved 1 thing. In this country, as long as u are muslim, u can talk whatever u like, even u are just some convict from other country.
U can step on the local as much as u like, and people still call u "beliau".

sad country. thumbsup.gif

and people are asking why malaysia still cant advance like SG? simply because SG is giving PR to foreign talent while MY is giving PR to some convict from other country.

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Already proven abnn twisting skills are godlike. Can turn shit into gold. U come with facts debate also u will lose 1. Context can be up down left right everywhere
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Mana orang asli?
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QUOTE(waxppl @ Aug 15 2019, 07:54 AM)
He just proved 1 thing. In this country, as long as u are muslim, u can talk whatever u like, even u are just some convict from other country.
U can step on the local as much as u like, and people still call u "beliau".

sad country. :thumbsup:

and people are asking why malaysia still cant advance like SG? simply because SG is giving PR to foreign talent while MY is giving PR to some convict from other country.
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Lol rilek la. Ada mamat tu pun buruk2kan malaysia kat oversea mcm nons kat sini hidup kat north korea rilek je jadi menteri sekarang. Steady je
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salah portugis no come to malacca before parameswara...
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we needed an "outsider" to teach us how our culture work?

It's like someone came into your house and tell you how you should wash your underwear.
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Wow, people actually defending ZN here?
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GTFO la! this bumi belong to orang asli! u all after that is pendatang already!
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QUOTE(Srbn @ Aug 15 2019, 08:02 AM)
Mana orang asli?
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No resistance from this group so he don’t care and don’t need to mention. He doesn’t feel this group is a threat to chase him out.
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:58 AM)
Similar like malaysiakini caselah....only quote partially. Not everything.
He want to say somemore what koran teach but the video cut
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Full quote, partially quote, misquote, still alot of confusing terrorrist around the world who "misinterpret". How?

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Means can be racist as possible as long as they "let" us stay here? Why thanks

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typical comments from haters who don't care to read or listen. No comprehension as well or understanding of history.

Of course Zakir Naik is not correct factually, but again there is no mr know it all who is correct all the time.

Malays by DNA- are the 3rd wave of inhabitants in this area. Unlike the 1st and 2nd, the 3rd wave are coastal dwellers. And Malays of that time are not muslim, and as coastal dwellers elsewhere religions of Malays changed according to the religion of the time.

Others who came later some assimilate with locals adopting the culture and locals as always have adapted to the newcomers.

This region particularly and the nature of Malays also historically has always been accommodating to all. Very different from Zakir home country.

Racism come about only lately when extremist of all sides gain traction due to greed.




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We are citizens, we are no guests.

Would be we stupid for us to fall for Zakar Naik's stupid anal-ogy.

New gen chinese "maybe" born here? Seriously? Zakar Naik pls go back India and eat the bull shit there. innocent.gif

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QUOTE(biggie @ Aug 15 2019, 08:07 AM)
typical comments from haters who don't care to read or listen. No comprehension as well or understanding of history.

Of course Zakir Naik is not correct factually, but again there is no mr know it all who is correct all the time.

Malays by DNA- are the 3rd wave of inhabitants in this area. Unlike the 1st and 2nd, the 3rd wave are coastal dwellers. And Malays of that time are not muslim, and as coastal dwellers elsewhere religions of Malays changed according to the religion of the time.

Others who came later some assimilate with locals adopting the culture and locals as always have adapted to the newcomers.

This region particularly and the nature of Malays also historically has always been accommodating to all. Very different from Zakir home country.

Racism come about only lately when extremist of all sides gain traction due to greed.
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Racism policy didn't started lately, as always some people like to pretend ignorant that others have been discriminated for decades. Then go on sing song tokok bash others as racist while enjoying the fruit of racial preferential policy.
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when the guest are angry that another guest tells them to go back... LEL
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napa Mr Z tak kata pasal zaman Majapahit dan sejarah yang dibawa semasa zaman itu? Mr Z cuma petik sebahagian saje.
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QUOTE(azhan82 @ Aug 15 2019, 08:23 AM)
when the guest are angry that another guest tells them to go back... LEL
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Nice try, mind make your statement clearly so others can go make a police report against you? innocent.gif
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QUOTE(biggie @ Aug 15 2019, 08:07 AM)
typical comments from haters who don't care to read or listen. No comprehension as well or understanding of history.

Of course Zakir Naik is not correct factually, but again there is no mr know it all who is correct all the time.

Malays by DNA- are the 3rd wave of inhabitants in this area. Unlike the 1st and 2nd, the 3rd wave are coastal dwellers. And Malays of that time are not muslim, and as coastal dwellers elsewhere religions of Malays changed according to the religion of the time.

Others who came later some assimilate with locals adopting the culture and locals as always have adapted to the newcomers.

This region particularly and the nature of Malays also historically has always been accommodating to all. Very different from Zakir home country.

Racism come about only lately when extremist of all sides gain traction due to greed.
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your mentioning about his home country remind me of sistem kasta.
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QUOTE(kding2 @ Aug 15 2019, 08:05 AM)
Wow, people actually defending ZN here?
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You still don't realize that ZN is welcum here in this country becoz that fella sing to the tune of many silent racist here?
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This is childish argument. There is no misquoted here from the transcript.

I do understand he wanted to say The religion came in peaceful manner and not through invasion and force. But....

First, historically he is already wrong. How can he be sure 100% of ppl embrace the religion before the other races came. Spinning historical facts and wanna write a new whole chapter of history when he didn’t even a historian.

Second, he is unwanted guest as tdm has already said. Other races are not unwanted “guest” (according to his definition of guest ) and he forgot these “guests” are citizens

So, when he’s being chased out, he use this kiddo argument, “ he’s also guest, wana kick me then kick them first”

At first I have some respect towards him as a preacher but what he said now totally changed my opinion about him. So yeah, maybe it’s time to go.
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Who said he is unwanted guest, he is our guest here. He lectured islamic in UUM, or perhaps other institution also. He is also a revered guest in Kelantan recently, paham/tak faham is different setori.

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QUOTE(Matgolf @ Aug 15 2019, 08:32 AM)
Who said he is unwanted guest, he is our guest here. He lectured islamic in UUM, or perhaps other institution also. He is also a revered guest in Kelantan recently, paham/tak faham is different setori.
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what u expect from extremist shit state?
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Aug 15 2019, 08:27 AM)
You still don't realize that ZN is welcum here in this country becoz that fella sing to the tune of many silent racist here?
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Banyak racist here. That's why.
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Who said he is unwanted guest, he is our guest here. He lectured islamic in UUM, or perhaps other institution also. He is also a revered guest in Kelantan recently, paham/tak faham is different setori.
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Very sarcastic indeed....😂😂😂
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Ppl who defend this guy secretly wants the same thing, just like Trump supporters
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i dun care about his hate speech or whatever but why we still keep him here and not sending him back to india, he is wanted in india, and then we complain why tongsan not sending jho low back here kek
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QUOTE(ranul @ Aug 15 2019, 07:11 AM)
The more you try to justify, the more you look pathetic.
You know this 'tetamu' is wrong but you protek him just because saudara; and sacrificing ur fellow countrymen who has built this nation for decades.
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normal for plotek gang la, for them religion above anything else
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QUOTE(KorkorBesar @ Aug 15 2019, 12:39 AM)
TS, you do realize if Rising Penis keep his old act up, stupid young local muslims are going to be encouraged to commit acts of terrorism inside our country and last I check, muslims in general are the majority of the casualties when terrorism occur in a muslim majority country such as Malaysia.

Regret can't resurrect dead people, just saying.
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QUOTE(biggie @ Aug 15 2019, 08:07 AM)
typical comments from haters who don't care to read or listen. No comprehension as well or understanding of history.

Of course Zakir Naik is not correct factually, but again there is no mr know it all who is correct all the time.

Malays by DNA- are the 3rd wave of inhabitants in this area. Unlike the 1st and 2nd, the 3rd wave are coastal dwellers. And Malays of that time are not muslim, and as coastal dwellers elsewhere religions of Malays changed according to the religion of the time.

Others who came later some assimilate with locals adopting the culture and locals as always have adapted to the newcomers.

This region particularly and the nature of Malays also historically has always been accommodating to all. Very different from Zakir home country.

Racism come about only lately when extremist of all sides gain traction due to greed.
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you dont need to be correct factually all the time, just with the material thats presented.

Its also hard to say the "haters" dont care lack understanding of history when the presenters facts are actualy wrong to start of with.

Even his indian examples are factually wrong, India was not the strongest nor the most powerful empire in the world, never was, by that time the british empire is already a few centuries old.
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only bodo people wan him in the country
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"They are our new guests"

He used Our, who is he? Is he a Malaysian?
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He's wrong. He wants to use truth, he can point it to the migrants back then NOT today.

Today he is a migrant and the people here are born.

so NOPE. Lies all over, pandai aje preach but context mcm bodo.
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All these religious and racial issue by ZN could be instructed by that old horse. His support by Malays are dropping.
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When a foreigner is telling us that "You are not Malaysian, you are a guest" ,that's already crossing a line.
We are all born in Malaysia yet he is trying to put Indians/Chinese into the same category as he is in now, it shows that he is totally oblivious to the fact that we are all born in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(darknessfx2018 @ Aug 15 2019, 12:35 AM)
As predict..malaysiakini.. freemalaysiatoday.. is just rubbish like sin chew daily...

Really plotek punye
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Still sounds like he's asking the non-Malays to get out of the country.
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QUOTE(aeonbig @ Aug 15 2019, 09:11 AM)
When a foreigner is telling us that "You are not Malaysian, you are a guest" ,that's already crossing a line.
We are all born in Malaysia yet he is trying to put Indians/Chinese into the same category as he is in now, it shows that he is totally oblivious to the fact that we are all born in Malaysia.
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Don't dispute that fella, who knows by tomorrow he could have been awarded citizenship by our beloved politician.
Did you see how he arrive at the stadium to give speech, VVIP treatment with police bikers leading....... Fuuuh notworthy.gif
We luv receiving rejected rubbish from other countries, plastics, radio active waste....... now wanted criminal from another country.
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we need an asylum seeker to tell us what we should do? wow......i can (barely) tahan if my own malaysian always question other non-muslim belongings but from this zakir chap? ..and yet some of you are defending him....sad bro....very sad....
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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Aug 15 2019, 09:17 AM)
Still sounds like he's asking the non-Malays to get out of the country.
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Guess who told him about such rhetoric? innocent.gif
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:24 AM)
Serious guys....sometimes u have to listem to everything rather than part of it. Provide transcript
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Listen video here

I dont know how to ebeed video from fb

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...92&id=716388591

“… Malaysia menjadi Muslim sepenuhnya. Kemudian Cina datang, India datang, orang Inggeris (British) datang. Mereka adalah tetamu baru kita. Kamu tahu tak yang ada orang yang panggil saya seorang tetamu? Jadi saya kata, sebelum saya (datang), kaum Cina adalah tetamu. Jika kamu mahu tetamu baru keluar dulu, minta tetamu lama pulang. Kaum Cina, kebanyakan dari mereka tidak lahir di sini, mungkin generasi baru, ya (lahir di sini). Jika kamu mahu tetamu itu pulang, dan tetamu lain yang membawa keamanan dalam sesuatu komuniti tersebut, mereka (tetamu itu) membawa manfaat kepada keluarga itu,”  – Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Malaysiakini.

Berikut merupakan transkrip lebih panjang berdasarkan konteks yang kami sediakan berdasarkan video itu:

“Which muslim army went to indonesia which has the largest muslim population in the world?
Which muslim army went to Malaysia? Which muslim army went to east coast of Afrika? 
Where many countries the majority population are muslim. Which sword? They did by the class.
Traders went.
Which army went to Malaysia?
Which army went to Indonesia?
The majority almost all were non muslim then all became muslim masya allah.
And Later on, more people are coming afterwards, Malaysia became fully muslim, then you have the chinese coming, the indian coming, the british coming, 
They are all new guest. There are somebody call me a guest. But I said before me the chinese are the guest. The aren’t born here.
If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back. The chinese, never born here most of them. Maybe the  new generation yes. If you want the guest to go back and those guest which are bringing peace to the community, there are benefit for the family.” – Transcript of Dr Zakir Naik speech by Buletin TTKM.

Terjemahan oleh Buletin TTKM:

“Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Indonesia yang mempunyai penduduk muslim terbesar di dunia?
Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Malaysia? Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke pantai timur Afrika,dimana banyak negara penduduk majoriti adalah muslim. Pedang mana? Mereka lakukan oleh kelas.
Pedagang yang pergi.
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Malaysia?
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Indonesia?
Majoriti (populasi) hampir semua bukan muslim kemudian semuanya menjadi muslim, Masya allah.
Dan kemudian, lebih ramai orang  datang selepas itu, Malaysia menjadi muslim sepenuhnya, maka anda ada kedatangan cina, kedatangan orang India, kedatangan british, Mereka semua adalah tetamu baru. Ada orang yang memanggil saya tetamu. Tetapi saya katakan sebelum ini cina adalah tetamu. The bukan lahir di sini.
Jika anda mahu tetamu baru pergi dahulu, tanyakan tetamu lama untuk kembali. Cina, tidak pernah lahir di sini kebanyakannya. Mungkin generasi baru ya (lahir di sini). Jika anda mahu tetamu balik dan tetamu yang membawa keamanan kepada masyarakat, ada manfaat untuk keluarga itu. “– Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Buletin TTKM
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Dont see how the longer speech changes the context of what the offending speech is saying. Still offends esp since he isnt even a citizen.
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There's no more guests when Malaysia formed.
When Malaysia gained her independence, we are all Malaysians.
What bullshit is this so called guests?
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Not saying i like him (cant understand why ppl like him) but he mentioned that 'good' guest that beneficial to the country should be welcomed - he then said that everyone not born in this country is a guest here and if he should go home , then those ppl also need go home

He also mentioned that those born and bred in Malaysia is not included in his example

Kinda way Mkini just took a part of his speech and it turn out very wrong

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Dont see how the longer speech changes the context of what the offending speech is saying. Still offends esp since he isnt even a citizen.
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agreed

why used the term guest

when they already long here before any of us

who is he to question our brethren?
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lets just accept all guest
guest dont argue with guest
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Aug 15 2019, 09:20 AM)
Not saying i like him (cant understand why ppl like him) but he mentioned that 'good' guest that beneficial to the country should be welcomed - he then said that everyone not born in this country is a guest here and if he should go home , then those ppl also need go home

He also mentioned that those born and bred in Malaysia is not included in his example

Kinda way Mkini just took a part of his speech and it turn out very wrong
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He being a wanted criminal and asylum seeker here is in no position to tell citizens here who is guest. This person is toxic.
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We are the citizen. He is a fcking bullshit equating himself with the citizen.
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Aug 15 2019, 09:20 AM)
Not saying i like him (cant understand why ppl like him) but he mentioned that 'good' guest that beneficial to the country should be welcomed - he then said that everyone not born in this country is a guest here and if he should go home , then those ppl also need go home

He also mentioned that those born and bred in Malaysia is not included in his example

Kinda way Mkini just took a part of his speech and it turn out very wrong
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the term guest already wrong

he should do more research

those who not born in tanah melayu already long gone hmm.gif


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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Aug 15 2019, 09:20 AM)
Not saying i like him (cant understand why ppl like him) but he mentioned that 'good' guest that beneficial to the country should be welcomed - he then said that everyone not born in this country is a guest here and if he should go home , then those ppl also need go home

He also mentioned that those born and bred in Malaysia is not included in his example

Kinda way Mkini just took a part of his speech and it turn out very wrong
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Sorry, how did u arrived at that summary?
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:25 AM)
the term guest already wrong

he should do more research

those who not born in tanah melayu already long gone  hmm.gif
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Actually, my grandmother was also the first generation of Chinese immigrant. She was a little girl when she came here. There's still quite a number of old people who are like her.
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How about turn it around and there is a Chinese version of Zakir Naik saying the same thing to the Malays? Still okay?

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QUOTE(deeplyheartbroken @ Aug 15 2019, 09:27 AM)
How about turn it around and there is a Chinese version of Zakir Naik saying the same thing to the Malays? Still okay
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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Aug 15 2019, 09:27 AM)
Actually, my grandmother was also the first generation of Chinese immigrant. She was a little girl when she came here. There's still quite a number of old people who are like her.
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is she still around?

must have quite a lot story that can be shared nod.gif nod.gif


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how dare he call himself guest.. he's intruder!!!
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Isnt most Malay came from Indonesia?
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QUOTE(deeplyheartbroken @ Aug 15 2019, 09:27 AM)
How about turn it around and there is a Chinese version of Zakir Naik saying the same thing to the Malays? Still okay?
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already a lot

see KYY post
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QUOTE(KorkorBesar @ Aug 15 2019, 12:39 AM)
TS, you do realize if Rising Penis keep his old act up, stupid young local muslims are going to be encouraged to commit acts of terrorism inside our country and last I check, muslims in general are the majority of the casualties when terrorism occur in a muslim majority country such as Malaysia.

Regret can't resurrect dead people, just saying.
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If people who is truly muslim, they will never kill people because Islam doesn't teach to kill innocent people, refer back to the holy book lah..

Whoever kills a person [innocent person]…it is as though he has .... be as if he killed all mankind...

SO whoever Muslim's kills innocent people, he/she is not a Muslim. Juz Sayin whistling.gif whistling.gif


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His argument is invalid la... Malaysia was never a Muslim country .. yes our official religion is Islam but we are never define as a Muslim country.. and not all Malaysian are Muslim back then .. even before parameswara, and all the kesultananan..they have other races and religion flourishing .. there is no 1 religion society here.
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:32 AM)
already a lot

see KYY post
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QUOTE(syusham431 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:33 AM)
If people who is truly muslim, they will never kill people because Islam doesn't teach to kill innocent people, refer back to the holy book lah..

Whoever kills a person [innocent person]…it is as though he has .... be as if he killed all mankind...

SO whoever Muslim's kills innocent people, he/she is not a Muslim. Juz Sayin  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Zakar Naik said he is with anyone who do the bidding of his gawd, including the terrorist that attack US.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Aug 15 2019, 09:24 AM)
He being a wanted criminal and asylum seeker here is in no position to tell citizens here who is guest. This person is toxic.
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it's we the one who stupid. let outsider come in and stir up our harmony, and also our people Malaysian faith are so weak not united. just 1 person foreigner come in can stir up for some little already.
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QUOTE(xavi5567 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:34 AM)
His argument is invalid la... Malaysia was never a Muslim country .. yes our official religion is Islam but we are never define as a Muslim country.. and not all Malaysian are Muslim back then .. even before parameswara, and all the kesultananan..they have other races and religion flourishing .. there is no 1 religion society here.
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Based on his logic, Islam also old guests lel
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:25 AM)
the term guest already wrong

he should do more research

those who not born in tanah melayu already long gone  hmm.gif
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He said that who is not born in MY is a guest

But he seems not aware that we already second and third generation already

People like him that is ignorant of ppl country should just keep quiet
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Aug 15 2019, 12:28 AM)
some more his history fail

chinese/indian came before perlembagaan Malaysia  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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But ppl treat him like god because he graduate in the university that doesn't understand the history of Malaysia. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Aug 15 2019, 09:39 AM)
Based on his logic, Islam also old guests lel
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dont forget Hindu and Buddha

those are way older biggrin.gif
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3 generations of my ancestors including myself are born in Malaysia. What bloody tetamu he's talking about. He meanwhile is a bloody uninvited guest and should be deported back to India.

Oh wait, thanos is the same...... so you know la.

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Then how about the non muslim orang aslis and east Malaysians bumiputra, don't they counted as well?
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basically what ZN is saying:

if u want me, a pendatang, to leave Malaysia, then ask the chinese and indian malaysians who are pendatang to leave first

all this blame Malaysiakini lah, take things out of context lah is just pure bullshit...that is what he means.
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Fuck is this kind of english?
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Oh ok liao. got full trascript d..can call old guest balik tongsan liao. then older guest how? balik indon also?

left orang asli the best right?
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QUOTE(SerioseCat @ Aug 15 2019, 09:43 AM)
basically what ZN is saying:

if u want me, a pendatang, to leave Malaysia, then ask the chinese and indian malaysians who are pendatang to leave first

all this blame Malaysiakini lah, take things out of context lah is just pure bullshit...that is what he means.
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He use the word maybe

Which has many makna tersirat

Not a very responsible speech

Leaving to many interpretations
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Then how about the non muslim orang aslis and east Malaysians bumiputra, don't they counted as well?
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that one cannot...that one is original owner

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QUOTE(SerioseCat @ Aug 15 2019, 09:43 AM)
basically what ZN is saying:

if u want me, a pendatang, to leave Malaysia, then ask the chinese and indian malaysians who are pendatang to leave first

all this blame Malaysiakini lah, take things out of context lah is just pure bullshit...that is what he means.
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no point arguing laa..
same like that modi vs mahathir ..

ZN said Mahathir = stay, Modi = leave
But indian want to listen more to modi instead of mahathir...

HHari2 hantam ZN to leave .. ZN replies, they all got triggered..
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QUOTE(Level 60 Wizard @ Aug 15 2019, 09:45 AM)
that one cannot...that one is original owner
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original owner is prince of earth

orang asli just a side-race je (M-race rule liao, ni tanah siapa?) laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:58 AM)
Similar like malaysiakini caselah....only quote partially. Not everything.
He want to say somemore what koran teach but the video cut
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"We will fully cooperate with India. Our government is committed to its declared policy of zero-tolerance policy towards terrorism. The soil of Bangladesh will never be allowed to be used by elements who are hostile to our neighbours," Ms Hasina's aide said. Mr Naik found himself in the eye of a storm after news reports surfaced that at least two of the terrorists behind the attack on Holey Artisan Bakery cafe in Dhaka in July 2016 were "inspired by his preaching about Islam." Rohan Imtiaz, one of the suspected attackers, is said to have posted a message on Facebook quoting Naik prior to the attack.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/zakir-naik-...as-aide-1879610
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Then how about the non muslim orang aslis and east Malaysians bumiputra, don't they counted as well?
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They always forget there is a BIGGER land mass 2500km EAST of Peninsula Malaysia called Sabah and Sarawak!

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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:47 AM)
original owner is prince of earth

orang asli just a side-race je (M-race rule liao, ni tanah siapa?)  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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like this also meh..

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"We will fully cooperate with India. Our government is committed to its declared policy of zero-tolerance policy towards terrorism. The soil of Bangladesh will never be allowed to be used by elements who are hostile to our neighbours," Ms Hasina's aide said. Mr Naik found himself in the eye of a storm after news reports surfaced that at least two of the terrorists behind the attack on Holey Artisan Bakery cafe in Dhaka in July 2016 were "inspired by his preaching about Islam." Rohan Imtiaz, one of the suspected attackers, is said to have posted a message on Facebook quoting Naik prior to the attack.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/zakir-naik-...as-aide-1879610
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the other day in borneo...the guy there terang2 tell, sini xsuka org main racing...

kalao nk race, balik semenanjung....terasa kot ade org
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QUOTE(Level 60 Wizard @ Aug 15 2019, 09:49 AM)
like this also meh..

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hahahaha

for us

we tell them go back to the jungle

at the same time bulldozing/illegal logging their home
force conversion (against their will) laugh.gif
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the other day in borneo...the guy there terang2 tell, sini xsuka org main racing...

kalao nk race, balik semenanjung....terasa kot ade org
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that news sound familliar

what was it about

i know someone said like that

kalau nak rasis, balik semenanjung hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(darknessfx2019 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:49 AM)
See people stupid like this..
Really bodo imbecile..

Try to twist history..
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Why do you call them orang asli or orang asal if they were not here before your people?


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QUOTE(Level 60 Wizard @ Aug 15 2019, 09:48 AM)
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Why do you call them orang asli or orang asal if they were not here before your people?
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why cant we call them orang Melayu? why asli/aboriginal?

isnt the term melayu was coined before merdeka? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(blueblueoutofblue @ Aug 15 2019, 12:27 AM)
But still same no ?
Ask the guest balik
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i am not a fucking guest
i am Malaysian, this is my country too
fuck this shit

dun be offended, this reply is not for u
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cakap engrand pun putar belit. balik tongsan la Zakir naik.
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Zakar Naik said he is with anyone who do the bidding of his gawd, including the terrorist that attack US.
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where is the proof?? I never heard him say anything like that blink.gif blink.gif People always takes the text out of context, this is the tactics being used by people to attack religion....I seen this a billionth time already... yawn.gif yawn.gif

TRUTH IS THE RELIGION IS ALREADY PERFECT AND HUMANS ARE NOT SO JUDGE THE RELIGION (HOLY BOOK) DUN JUDGE THE PEOPLE
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Zakir naik is a guest and has worn out his welcome.
Go back home.
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QUOTE(ed1torz @ Aug 15 2019, 09:51 AM)
the other day in borneo...the guy there terang2 tell, sini xsuka org main racing...

kalao nk race, balik semenanjung....terasa kot ade org
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Currently, true Malaysia lies in Borneo.

Peninsula race too much
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QUOTE(syusham431 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:54 AM)
where is the proof?? I never heard him say anything like that  blink.gif  blink.gif  People always takes the text out of context, this is the tactics being used by people to attack religion....I seen this a billionth time already... yawn.gif  yawn.gif

TRUTH IS THE RELIGION IS ALREADY PERFECT AND HUMANS ARE NOT SO JUDGE THE RELIGION (HOLY BOOK) DUN JUDGE THE PEOPLE
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God dig out ZN video on your own. Such video is all over the internet.
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QUOTE(syusham431 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:54 AM)
where is the proof?? I never heard him say anything like that  blink.gif  blink.gif  People always takes the text out of context, this is the tactics being used by people to attack religion....I seen this a billionth time already... yawn.gif  yawn.gif

TRUTH IS THE RELIGION IS ALREADY PERFECT AND HUMANS ARE NOT SO JUDGE THE RELIGION (HOLY BOOK) DUN JUDGE THE PEOPLE
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Always a cop out. Religious people inspire their followers to act violently then others protect by saying that violent person was crazy and didn't act according to our religion.
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QUOTE(darknessfx2019 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:49 AM)
See people stupid like this..
Really bodo imbecile..

Try to twist history..
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nah sohai tak paham englrand kan...nah quote skali lagi...

ZN yang cakap..not me yo!

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They are all new guest. There are somebody call me a guest. But I said before me the chinese are the guest. The aren’t born here.
If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back. The chinese, never born here most of them. Maybe the  new generation yes


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QUOTE(dickybird @ Aug 15 2019, 09:55 AM)
Zakir naik is a guest and has worn out his welcome.
Go back home.
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He does not need to be welcum by commoners like us.
He is welcum by our politician who gave him PR status and VVIP treatment to preach in stadium escorted by our police, arriving in a Jeep waving to the crowd like a country's supreme leader. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(delon85 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:55 AM)
Currently, true Malaysia lies in Borneo.

Peninsula race too much
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triggered until 8 pages just because of MKini twist. LEL . PPl gonna hear and be triggered by what the want to believe. But instead here's the original video context meaning: (historically), the majority (of malaysians) almost all were non muslims and almost all became muslims (this is before the independence and british coming) . Then he said: "Later on, there are people coming afterwards", Malaysia (which) became fully muslim (tanah melayu), you have the chinese come in, indians come in, they are our new guest. Read this guest as what he is referring way back before merdeka. He should be saying immigrants, but no, he used the word guest. Orang yang dialu-alukan. Then he recall how people were calling him guest. "somebody called me a guest (like the chinese). Before me, the chinese were the guest." So if you want the new guest (referring to him, which already have a PR) to go first, ask the old guest to go back. He's giving an analogi, why are the hindu extremist want to chase him out since he's also a guest. And you miss out his last part: "If you want the guest to go back, and those guests (Chinese/himself) are bringing peace in the community, they are benefit for the family (malaysia). TLDR- Mkini takes speech out of context, ppl triggered because of it.
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I want to live in sabah next time 😏
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but the cons of living sabah/sarawak

postage not available for Sabah/Sarawak

postage more expensive for Sabah/Sarawak sad.gif

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dont forget Hindu and Buddha

those are way older  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Aug 15 2019, 09:57 AM)
Always a cop out. Religious people inspire their followers to act violently then others protect by saying that violent person was crazy and didn't act according to our religion.
Fardu kifayah 404
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And where does religion advocates violence and hatred to others? tokok so much . Islam never have, christians never have, buddha never have, hinduism never have. Judging the religion based on the people just show how shallow you are.
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Aug 15 2019, 10:01 AM)
triggered until 8 pages just because of MKini twist. LEL . PPl gonna hear and be triggered by what the want to believe. But instead here's the original video context meaning:                                                    (historically), the majority (of malaysians) almost all were non muslims and almost all became muslims (this is before the independence and british coming) .                                                        Then he said: "Later on, there are people coming afterwards", Malaysia (which) became fully muslim (tanah melayu), you have the chinese come in, indians come in, they are our new guest. Read this guest as what he is referring way back before merdeka. He should be saying immigrants, but no, he used the word guest. Orang yang dialu-alukan.                                                                Then he recall how people were calling him guest. "somebody called me a guest (like the chinese). Before me, the chinese were the guest." So if you want the new guest (referring to him, which already have a PR) to go first, ask the old guest to go back. He's giving an analogi, why are the hindu extremist want to chase him out since he's also a guest. And you miss out his last part: "If you want the guest to go back, and those guests (Chinese/himself) are bringing peace in the community, they are benefit for the family (malaysia).                                                                  TLDR- Mkini takes speech out of context, ppl triggered because of it.
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I think many people have explained this.

This analogy is flawed and CANNOT be used because we are no longer guest here.

he wants to point this out, it's only valid for the migrants ages ago..NOT today.
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sorry la, lepas tengok dan dengar ceramah zakir naik, aku pon rasa media dah salah tafsir, mcm ada niat nak put the blame on zakir naik. permulaan ceramah bermula tentang penyalahgunaan maksud jihad, dia menyeru jgn salah guna ayat jihad ditempat yg salah dn sebagainya. jgn buat jahat kemudian guna alasan jihad.

aku boleh la cakap, agaknya terrorist pon mcm malaysiakini juga, tak dengar habis, ambik part 'serang' je. kemudian petik nama penceramah lepas da buat salah.

tapi apakan daya, ahli politik lebih suka bermain politik, seperti syed saddiq. dia seorang pemidato terhebat, sepatutnye dia lebih tahu, how the media works. apa perasaan dia bila ucapan dia disalahtafsir. dia sepatutnye lebih tahu. tapi dia turut serta dlm kumpulan yg tersalah faham.

sebagai rakyat malaysia, kita semua sepatutnye sudah tahu apa tanggung jawab kita. jangan bangkitkan issu perkauman. bila seseorang bangkitkan issu seperti itu, sedarkanlah mereka. kita hidup berbilang kaum.

tapi, ceramah zakir naik bukan kearah itu pon. english dia teruk, sbb tu org senang salah tafsir. tapi kenapa nak pin point topik yg berapa saat ni? mana pergi topik yg dia bagi spjg ceramah? ada byk isi penting yg lebih bagus utk penyatuan ummah, utk penyatuan kaum, utk hormat menghormati sesama kita, apsal media tak ambil point2 ni?

kekadang aku pon boleh tersilap kata. maafkanlah aku ya. icon_rolleyes.gif
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but in ZN term

muslim malay>zakirnaik

the rest are guest only laugh.gif
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Immigration controlled by Sabah and Sarawak state themselves.

Good luck
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QUOTE(delon85 @ Aug 15 2019, 10:05 AM)
Immigration controlled by Sabah and Sarawak state themselves.

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QUOTE(syusham431 @ Aug 15 2019, 09:54 AM)
where is the proof?? I never heard him say anything like that  blink.gif  blink.gif  People always takes the text out of context, this is the tactics being used by people to attack religion....I seen this a billionth time already... yawn.gif  yawn.gif

TRUTH IS THE RELIGION IS ALREADY PERFECT AND HUMANS ARE NOT SO JUDGE THE RELIGION (HOLY BOOK) DUN JUDGE THE PEOPLE
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..... I don't see what taken out of context. Exactly as what zakar said calling Chinese as guest, not born here and told to go back. Which part of this is not offensive????

I think TS needs his head checked. Zakar Naik maybe making terrorist out of him.
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QUOTE(mdnosz @ Aug 15 2019, 10:04 AM)
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sorry la, lepas tengok dan dengar ceramah zakir naik, aku pon rasa media dah salah tafsir, mcm ada niat nak put the blame on zakir naik. permulaan ceramah bermula tentang penyalahgunaan maksud jihad, dia menyeru jgn salah guna ayat jihad ditempat yg salah dn sebagainya. jgn buat jahat kemudian guna alasan jihad.

aku boleh la cakap, agaknya terrorist pon mcm malaysiakini juga, tak dengar habis, ambik part 'serang' je. kemudian petik nama penceramah lepas da buat salah.

tapi apakan daya, ahli politik lebih suka bermain politik, seperti syed saddiq. dia seorang pemidato terhebat, sepatutnye dia lebih tahu, how the media works. apa perasaan dia bila ucapan dia disalahtafsir. dia sepatutnye lebih tahu. tapi dia turut serta dlm kumpulan yg tersalah faham.

sebagai rakyat malaysia, kita semua sepatutnye sudah tahu apa tanggung jawab kita. jangan bangkitkan issu perkauman. bila seseorang bangkitkan issu seperti itu, sedarkanlah mereka. kita hidup berbilang kaum.

tapi, ceramah zakir naik bukan kearah itu pon. english dia teruk, sbb tu org senang salah tafsir. tapi kenapa nak pin point topik yg berapa saat ni? mana pergi topik yg dia bagi spjg ceramah? ada byk isi penting yg lebih bagus utk penyatuan ummah, utk penyatuan kaum, utk hormat menghormati sesama kita, apsal media tak ambil point2 ni?

kekadang aku pon boleh tersilap kata. maafkanlah aku ya.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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well said, brother
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Aug 15 2019, 10:05 AM)
but in ZN term

muslim malay>zakirnaik

the rest are guest only  laugh.gif
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He jelly because we let our old guests(british) to rule the country for a while. Like how our old royals that asked some British guy to help him to win wars in exchange for a position in the government. Can see pattern alrdy.
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QUOTE(mdnosz @ Aug 15 2019, 10:04 AM)
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sorry la, lepas tengok dan dengar ceramah zakir naik, aku pon rasa media dah salah tafsir, mcm ada niat nak put the blame on zakir naik. permulaan ceramah bermula tentang penyalahgunaan maksud jihad, dia menyeru jgn salah guna ayat jihad ditempat yg salah dn sebagainya. jgn buat jahat kemudian guna alasan jihad.

aku boleh la cakap, agaknya terrorist pon mcm malaysiakini juga, tak dengar habis, ambik part 'serang' je. kemudian petik nama penceramah lepas da buat salah.

tapi apakan daya, ahli politik lebih suka bermain politik, seperti syed saddiq. dia seorang pemidato terhebat, sepatutnye dia lebih tahu, how the media works. apa perasaan dia bila ucapan dia disalahtafsir. dia sepatutnye lebih tahu. tapi dia turut serta dlm kumpulan yg tersalah faham.

sebagai rakyat malaysia, kita semua sepatutnye sudah tahu apa tanggung jawab kita. jangan bangkitkan issu perkauman. bila seseorang bangkitkan issu seperti itu, sedarkanlah mereka. kita hidup berbilang kaum.

tapi, ceramah zakir naik bukan kearah itu pon. english dia teruk, sbb tu org senang salah tafsir. tapi kenapa nak pin point topik yg berapa saat ni? mana pergi topik yg dia bagi spjg ceramah? ada byk isi penting yg lebih bagus utk penyatuan ummah, utk penyatuan kaum, utk hormat menghormati sesama kita, apsal media tak ambil point2 ni?

kekadang aku pon boleh tersilap kata. maafkanlah aku ya.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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ok la..rasanya pertama serang malaysian indian....lepas tu serng malaysian chinese...tapi takpe la..hanya se-ayat dua aje kan...

tunggu la kita bila dia mula serang malaysian malay baru kita bangun kan?

bak kata orang, jarum belum cucuk kulit sendiri, memang kita rasa takpe la..sikit hal aje..padahal orang lain yang kena..bukan ko sendiri kan rclxms.gif
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ZAKAR NAIK ADE LA.
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QUOTE(mdnosz @ Aug 15 2019, 10:04 AM)
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sorry la, lepas tengok dan dengar ceramah zakir naik, aku pon rasa media dah salah tafsir, mcm ada niat nak put the blame on zakir naik. permulaan ceramah bermula tentang penyalahgunaan maksud jihad, dia menyeru jgn salah guna ayat jihad ditempat yg salah dn sebagainya. jgn buat jahat kemudian guna alasan jihad.

aku boleh la cakap, agaknya terrorist pon mcm malaysiakini juga, tak dengar habis, ambik part 'serang' je. kemudian petik nama penceramah lepas da buat salah.

tapi apakan daya, ahli politik lebih suka bermain politik, seperti syed saddiq. dia seorang pemidato terhebat, sepatutnye dia lebih tahu, how the media works. apa perasaan dia bila ucapan dia disalahtafsir. dia sepatutnye lebih tahu. tapi dia turut serta dlm kumpulan yg tersalah faham.

sebagai rakyat malaysia, kita semua sepatutnye sudah tahu apa tanggung jawab kita. jangan bangkitkan issu perkauman. bila seseorang bangkitkan issu seperti itu, sedarkanlah mereka. kita hidup berbilang kaum.

tapi, ceramah zakir naik bukan kearah itu pon. english dia teruk, sbb tu org senang salah tafsir. tapi kenapa nak pin point topik yg berapa saat ni? mana pergi topik yg dia bagi spjg ceramah? ada byk isi penting yg lebih bagus utk penyatuan ummah, utk penyatuan kaum, utk hormat menghormati sesama kita, apsal media tak ambil point2 ni?

kekadang aku pon boleh tersilap kata. maafkanlah aku ya.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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sebagai rakyat malaysia, kita semua sepatutnye sudah tahu apa tanggung jawab kita. jangan bangkitkan issu perkauman. bila seseorang bangkitkan issu seperti itu, sedarkanlah mereka. kita hidup berbilang kaum.


itulah /k sedang bincang.
kita kena sedarkan ZN... we are living in berbilang kaum..topik beberapa saat walau pendek tapi boleh membawa padah/atau salah tafsir
apasalnya kita sedarkan ZN? Kita rakyat malaysia bukan tetamu,bukan orang luar

penyatuan kaum/saling menghormati punya topik dah kira lapuk... sejak merdeka dah dengar..
adakah kita patuh atau buat bodoh je. smile.gif
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Aug 15 2019, 10:01 AM)
triggered until 8 pages just because of MKini twist. LEL . PPl gonna hear and be triggered by what the want to believe. But instead here's the original video context meaning:                                                    (historically), the majority (of malaysians) almost all were non muslims and almost all became muslims (this is before the independence and british coming) .                                                        Then he said: "Later on, there are people coming afterwards", Malaysia (which) became fully muslim (tanah melayu), you have the chinese come in, indians come in, they are our new guest. Read this guest as what he is referring way back before merdeka. He should be saying immigrants, but no, he used the word guest. Orang yang dialu-alukan.                                                                Then he recall how people were calling him guest. "somebody called me a guest (like the chinese). Before me, the chinese were the guest." So if you want the new guest (referring to him, which already have a PR) to go first, ask the old guest to go back. He's giving an analogi, why are the hindu extremist want to chase him out since he's also a guest. And you miss out his last part: "If you want the guest to go back, and those guests (Chinese/himself) are bringing peace in the community, they are benefit for the family (malaysia).                                                                  TLDR- Mkini takes speech out of context, ppl triggered because of it.
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An "analogy"...wow..honestly he does not know the sensitiveness of racial relationship in Malaysia and dishes analogy at his own whim without consideration.
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btol la tu, the transcript and mkini are the same
tula teknik cb ni, pos ayat2 panjang skit, tentu xbaca tapi rase dh slamat.. potekted potekted
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Just read some posts and omg the pipu defending him lol. Wtf with zakar supporters and their brainless excuse. I have heard actual sincere Islamic speech asking for unity an understanding. Zakar Naik on other hand is twisting logic and using religion card to stir tension. None of what he said makes sense and historically inaccurate. Stop defending this actual mamak invader.

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Aug 15 2019, 10:08 AM)
..... I don't see what taken out of context. Exactly as what zakar said calling Chinese as guest, not born here and told to go back. Which part of this is not offensive????

I think TS needs his head checked. Zakar Naik maybe making terrorist out of him.
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Zakar Naik just bring out the true colour of certain ppl, don't blame ZN if TS is what he is.......... owai innocent.gif
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Aug 15 2019, 09:57 AM)
God dig out ZN video on your own. Such video is all over the internet.
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QUOTE(syusham431 @ Aug 15 2019, 10:21 AM)
haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate  cool2.gif  cool2.gif
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Self denial ppl will gonna deny, deny, deny........ innocent.gif
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Aug 15 2019, 09:57 AM)
Always a cop out. Religious people inspire their followers to act violently then others protect by saying that violent person was crazy and didn't act according to our religion.
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Its facts lah humans not perfect doh.gif doh.gif nobody is... doh.gif doh.gif

Religion is PERFECT....
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Aug 15 2019, 10:23 AM)
Self denial ppl will gonna deny, deny, deny........ innocent.gif
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Yet there is no songs about denial, juz hate by Taylor Swift.. cool2.gif cool2.gif

May God have mercy on your soul...amin innocent.gif innocent.gif
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If you want the guest to go back and those guest which are bringing peace to the community, there are benefit for the family.


but he bring disharmony to the community. so please go back.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(syusham431 @ Aug 15 2019, 10:25 AM)
Yet there is no songs about denial, juz hate by Taylor Swift.. cool2.gif  cool2.gif 

May God have mercy on your soul...amin  innocent.gif  innocent.gif
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I don't need mercy from invisible entity, I'm not a slave like others. innocent.gif
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QUOTE(darknessfx2019 @ Aug 15 2019, 10:29 AM)
Its org asli.. but its still malay..
That why read more
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????? Orang Asli/Asal = Malay????????
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QUOTE(KorkorBesar @ Aug 15 2019, 12:39 AM)
TS, you do realize if Rising Penis keep his old act up, stupid young local muslims are going to be encouraged to commit acts of terrorism inside our country and last I check, muslims in general are the majority of the casualties when terrorism occur in a muslim majority country such as Malaysia.

Regret can't resurrect dead people, just saying.
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lmao after listening to zakir naik daily i definitely want to bomb you straight away uWu
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Malays r the culprit here...senang je nak deport ZN, tapi korang tak jaga silaturahim...jgn bawak topic lain, kita bincang dalam topik ini jugak...
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QUOTE(darknessfx2019 @ Aug 15 2019, 10:29 AM)
Its org asli.. but its still malay..
That why read more
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So hardworking making dupe, why not spend some time to read what our Constitution's definition of Malay?
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when we were busy with AI vs AA, they sent ZN to change the topic to cool down PKR internal issue.

genius..
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My great great grandparents are all dead, asking a dead person to go back to their root is insulting 3 generation of my family which is born, raise and work for the country. As the 3rd generation who decide to stay loyal to the country instead of leaving the country I find his statement of asking "old guest" to go back first is extra insulting, thus as a malaysian I would want him to not be in this country spreading racial garbage.