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Cincai lar
post Aug 15 2019, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:41 AM)
Show me where does his word leads to terrorism? Even the first news that accuse zakir naik condone  terroris has made retractment of the wholle article
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:57 AM

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I hope Zakir Naik and supporter burn in hell for being racist.


QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:24 AM)
Serious guys....sometimes u have to listem to everything rather than part of it. Provide transcript
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Listen video here

I dont know how to ebeed video from fb

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...92&id=716388591

“… Malaysia menjadi Muslim sepenuhnya. Kemudian Cina datang, India datang, orang Inggeris (British) datang. Mereka adalah tetamu baru kita. Kamu tahu tak yang ada orang yang panggil saya seorang tetamu? Jadi saya kata, sebelum saya (datang), kaum Cina adalah tetamu. Jika kamu mahu tetamu baru keluar dulu, minta tetamu lama pulang. Kaum Cina, kebanyakan dari mereka tidak lahir di sini, mungkin generasi baru, ya (lahir di sini). Jika kamu mahu tetamu itu pulang, dan tetamu lain yang membawa keamanan dalam sesuatu komuniti tersebut, mereka (tetamu itu) membawa manfaat kepada keluarga itu,”  – Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Malaysiakini.

Berikut merupakan transkrip lebih panjang berdasarkan konteks yang kami sediakan berdasarkan video itu:

“Which muslim army went to indonesia which has the largest muslim population in the world?
Which muslim army went to Malaysia? Which muslim army went to east coast of Afrika? 
Where many countries the majority population are muslim. Which sword? They did by the class.
Traders went.
Which army went to Malaysia?
Which army went to Indonesia?
The majority almost all were non muslim then all became muslim masya allah.
And Later on, more people are coming afterwards, Malaysia became fully muslim, then you have the chinese coming, the indian coming, the british coming, 
They are all new guest. There are somebody call me a guest. But I said before me the chinese are the guest. The aren’t born here.
If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back. The chinese, never born here most of them. Maybe the  new generation yes. If you want the guest to go back and those guest which are bringing peace to the community, there are benefit for the family.” – Transcript of Dr Zakir Naik speech by Buletin TTKM.

Terjemahan oleh Buletin TTKM:

“Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Indonesia yang mempunyai penduduk muslim terbesar di dunia?
Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Malaysia? Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke pantai timur Afrika,dimana banyak negara penduduk majoriti adalah muslim. Pedang mana? Mereka lakukan oleh kelas.
Pedagang yang pergi.
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Malaysia?
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Indonesia?
Majoriti (populasi) hampir semua bukan muslim kemudian semuanya menjadi muslim, Masya allah.
Dan kemudian, lebih ramai orang  datang selepas itu, Malaysia menjadi muslim sepenuhnya, maka anda ada kedatangan cina, kedatangan orang India, kedatangan british, Mereka semua adalah tetamu baru. Ada orang yang memanggil saya tetamu. Tetapi saya katakan sebelum ini cina adalah tetamu. The bukan lahir di sini.
Jika anda mahu tetamu baru pergi dahulu, tanyakan tetamu lama untuk kembali. Cina, tidak pernah lahir di sini kebanyakannya. Mungkin generasi baru ya (lahir di sini). Jika anda mahu tetamu balik dan tetamu yang membawa keamanan kepada masyarakat, ada manfaat untuk keluarga itu. “– Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Buletin TTKM
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post Aug 15 2019, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Aug 15 2019, 12:48 AM)

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Similar like malaysiakini caselah....only quote partially. Not everything.
He want to say somemore what koran teach but the video cut
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 15 2019, 12:57 AM)
I hope Zakir Naik and supporter burn in hell for being racist.
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U semua benda pun racist
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post Aug 15 2019, 01:02 AM

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ZN is a retard being supported by " insert sendiri "


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post Aug 15 2019, 01:04 AM

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I'd hardly consider him as bringing peace to the family with his rather outlandish statements really.

Plus the timing is kinda all wrong, so even listening to the whole video, he is still getting it wrong

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post Aug 15 2019, 01:16 AM

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ok. understood.

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post Aug 15 2019, 01:27 AM

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Hari hari racing. Oi tak boring ke..
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post Aug 15 2019, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:58 AM)
U semua benda pun racist
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Yg tuh bkn rasis tuh haper? Ko ni bodoh ke?
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post Aug 15 2019, 01:37 AM

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shit stirrer. now he is trying to destroy Malaysia. and so many bodoh plotex-plotex this orang luar
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post Aug 15 2019, 01:41 AM

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That's why I always ask... What he said is wrong..? . If wrong.. Please saman.... Bila nak saman.?...selasa depan?

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post Aug 15 2019, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 14 2019, 05:29 PM)
Yg tuh bkn rasis tuh haper? Ko ni bodoh ke?
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post Aug 15 2019, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(darknessfx2018 @ Aug 15 2019, 01:44 AM)

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Apa ketahian yg ko post tuh? Zakar Naik tuh Melayu ke? Ko ni mmg anak bangsat
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post Aug 15 2019, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Aug 14 2019, 05:45 PM)
Apa ketahian yg ko post tuh? Zakar Naik tuh Melayu ke? Ko ni mmg anak bangsat
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Mahacai dewa nie.. trigger butthurt btol
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post Aug 15 2019, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(tsunade @ Aug 15 2019, 01:37 AM)
shit stirrer. now he is trying to destroy Malaysia. and so many bodoh plotex-plotex this orang luar
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if you watch "the whole video", then only u will understand.

that part about guest is taken out of context.

this speech title is "misconceptions about islam".

as he move points by points until no.4, point number 4 is the misconception about islam that says "islam spreads by sword (by force)" . so he give his points up until how islam is spread in malaysia, not by force. so later on comes to that sensitive part.

the media only take "that" part and use "their interpretation" of his speech. this is how you kill a character, by take small part of the words and translate it into different meaning.

the irony part is, if you notice before he starts point number 4, he did mention about "always check your facts before spreading it, if not sure, and u cant find the source, dont spread it" ..

the way "zakir naik haters" take this topic is similar to how the americans take it when mahathir says "the jews rule the world by proxy" speech.


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post Aug 15 2019, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Aug 15 2019, 01:04 AM)
I'd hardly consider him as bringing peace to the family with his rather outlandish statements really.

Plus the timing is kinda all wrong, so even listening to the whole video, he is still getting it wrong
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QUOTE(tsunade @ Aug 15 2019, 01:37 AM)
shit stirrer. now he is trying to destroy Malaysia. and so many bodoh plotex-plotex this orang luar
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Aug 15 2019, 02:24 AM)
if you watch "the whole video", then only u will understand.

that part about guest is taken out of context.

this speech title is "misconceptions about islam".

as he move points by points until no.4, point number 4 is the misconception about islam that says "islam spreads by sword (by force)" . so he give his points up until how islam is spread in malaysia, not by force. so later on comes to that sensitive part.

the media only take "that" part and use "their interpretation" of his speech. this is how you kill a character, by take small part of the words and translate it into different meaning.

the irony part is, if you notice before he starts point number 4, he did mention about "always check your facts before spreading it, if not sure, and u cant find the source, dont spread it" ..

the way "zakir naik haters" take this topic is similar to how the americans take it when mahathir says "the jews rule the world by proxy" speech.
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full video : https://youtu.be/jp3by-8yVl4

topics starts at ..

56:08 .. about checking your facts before spreading it

57:40 .. about misconception on islam spread by force

1:03:30 .. this is the 'guest' part

but, as usual.. you chose to be ignorance
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post Aug 15 2019, 02:43 AM

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Zakar naik keep causing more controversies and trouble here. Can't we just ship him out in a container to somewhere? Dah duduk selamat sini nak stir shit lagi.
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post Aug 15 2019, 02:46 AM

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Did he tell Mahathir to go back to India too?
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post Aug 15 2019, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 15 2019, 12:24 AM)
Serious guys....sometimes u have to listem to everything rather than part of it. Provide transcript
[attachmentid=10299895]

Listen video here

I dont know how to ebeed video from fb

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid...92&id=716388591

“… Malaysia menjadi Muslim sepenuhnya. Kemudian Cina datang, India datang, orang Inggeris (British) datang. Mereka adalah tetamu baru kita. Kamu tahu tak yang ada orang yang panggil saya seorang tetamu? Jadi saya kata, sebelum saya (datang), kaum Cina adalah tetamu. Jika kamu mahu tetamu baru keluar dulu, minta tetamu lama pulang. Kaum Cina, kebanyakan dari mereka tidak lahir di sini, mungkin generasi baru, ya (lahir di sini). Jika kamu mahu tetamu itu pulang, dan tetamu lain yang membawa keamanan dalam sesuatu komuniti tersebut, mereka (tetamu itu) membawa manfaat kepada keluarga itu,”  – Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Malaysiakini.

Berikut merupakan transkrip lebih panjang berdasarkan konteks yang kami sediakan berdasarkan video itu:

“Which muslim army went to indonesia which has the largest muslim population in the world?
Which muslim army went to Malaysia? Which muslim army went to east coast of Afrika? 
Where many countries the majority population are muslim. Which sword? They did by the class.
Traders went.
Which army went to Malaysia?
Which army went to Indonesia?
The majority almost all were non muslim then all became muslim masya allah.
And Later on, more people are coming afterwards, Malaysia became fully muslim, then you have the chinese coming, the indian coming, the british coming, 
They are all new guest. There are somebody call me a guest. But I said before me the chinese are the guest. The aren’t born here.
If you want the new guest to go first, ask the old guest to go back. The chinese, never born here most of them. Maybe the  new generation yes. If you want the guest to go back and those guest which are bringing peace to the community, there are benefit for the family.” – Transcript of Dr Zakir Naik speech by Buletin TTKM.

Terjemahan oleh Buletin TTKM:

“Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Indonesia yang mempunyai penduduk muslim terbesar di dunia?
Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke Malaysia? Tentera muslim mana yang pergi ke pantai timur Afrika,dimana banyak negara penduduk majoriti adalah muslim. Pedang mana? Mereka lakukan oleh kelas.
Pedagang yang pergi.
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Malaysia?
Tentera mana yang pergi ke Indonesia?
Majoriti (populasi) hampir semua bukan muslim kemudian semuanya menjadi muslim, Masya allah.
Dan kemudian, lebih ramai orang  datang selepas itu, Malaysia menjadi muslim sepenuhnya, maka anda ada kedatangan cina, kedatangan orang India, kedatangan british, Mereka semua adalah tetamu baru. Ada orang yang memanggil saya tetamu. Tetapi saya katakan sebelum ini cina adalah tetamu. The bukan lahir di sini.
Jika anda mahu tetamu baru pergi dahulu, tanyakan tetamu lama untuk kembali. Cina, tidak pernah lahir di sini kebanyakannya. Mungkin generasi baru ya (lahir di sini). Jika anda mahu tetamu balik dan tetamu yang membawa keamanan kepada masyarakat, ada manfaat untuk keluarga itu. “– Transkrip ucapan Dr Zakir Naik oleh Buletin TTKM
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bang, tanya dia kenapa tarik bangsa lain ke dalam air terjun, dalam dialog dia? sampai Masya allah dan full stop kan bagus? dry.gif

This post has been edited by victorboy: Aug 15 2019, 02:49 AM
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post Aug 15 2019, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Aug 15 2019, 02:24 AM)
if you watch "the whole video", then only u will understand.

that part about guest is taken out of context.

this speech title is "misconceptions about islam".

as he move points by points until no.4, point number 4 is the misconception about islam that says "islam spreads by sword (by force)" . so he give his points up until how islam is spread in malaysia, not by force. so later on comes to that sensitive part.

the media only take "that" part and use "their interpretation" of his speech. this is how you kill a character, by take small part of the words and translate it into different meaning.

the irony part is, if you notice before he starts point number 4, he did mention about "always check your facts before spreading it, if not sure, and u cant find the source, dont spread it" ..

the way "zakir naik haters" take this topic is similar to how the americans take it when mahathir says "the jews rule the world by proxy" speech.
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truth, mix with half-truth and mix with lies. and how people are blinded by it.
Truth : Islam was not spread to this part of the world by force. Was by Muslim traders
Half-truth : Islam was spread to Malaysia - Malaysia does not exist at that point of time
False : Chinese aren't born in Malaysia. Then he corrected himself to most Chinese are not born in Malaysia, only the new generation is - most migrants have since passed away. we are on our 3rd,4th,5th generations here. Some way longer.
False : Chinese and Indians are guest of Malaysia - we are citizens and most are born and raised here.

He called your fellow Malaysians guest of Malaysia. Do you agree with him?
He talked about checking facts before spreading it. But did he get his facts right?
He talked about misconception. What was he doing at that speech with his false "facts"? Was he not spreading it?

You asked others to watch the whole speech to not misunderstand him. It is true, he spoke a lot of facts about Islam. Then he slips in his views here and there. Falsehoods about the nons. And you consciously or subconsciously accepted everything that he said.

Look at what is happening now. Especially at this sensitive time for our country. Look at the multiple threads in this forum alone.
Is this not a shit stirrer?

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