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post Aug 15 2019, 12:07 AM, updated 2 months ago

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I personally don’t think introduction of Khat is a big deal. It’s only going to be a few lessons, after all. I don’t see it as “Islamization” as claimed by Dong Zong. If they want to oppose it, a better reason might be to argue on its usefulness for the students’ future. Their reason is stupid. They never think through properly.

If it’s just a few lessons in art, they might as well introduce it under the arts and culture subject, rather than in BM subject. Nevertheless I would argue that learning Khat may not be very useful. Learning jawi might be better than Khat. I don’t oppose learning jawi because I did learn it in school last time. I didn’t become more Muslim because of learning jawi. It’s okay. No big deal. I heard that it’s really just a few lessons.

Don’t make a mountain out of a molehill.

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correct.

people give all kind of excuses.

if hate dr maszlee just say hate dr maszlee. dont putar here and there giving STUPID EXCUSES !
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post Aug 15 2019, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(darrenboy @ Aug 15 2019, 12:07 AM)
I personally don’t think introduction of Khat is a big deal. It’s only going to be a few lessons, after all. I don’t see it as “Islamization” as claimed by Dong Zong. If they want to oppose it, a better reason might be to argue on its usefulness for the students’ future. Their reason is stupid. They never think through properly.

If it’s just a few lessons in art, they might as well introduce it under the arts and culture subject, rather than in BM subject. Nevertheless I would argue that learning Khat may not be very useful. Learning jawi might be better than Khat. I don’t oppose learning jawi because I did learn it in school last time. I didn’t become more Muslim because of learning jawi. It’s okay. No big deal. I heard that it’s really just a few lessons.

Don’t make a mountain out of a molehill.
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If you read Dongzong's statement, they never implied islamization in any sense.

Dunno which guy started and said Dongzong say khat=islamization. It's not true. Dongzong never said that.

Dongzong's reazon is simply it is not practical to learn khat. They think khat and BM are two different thing and learning khat does not really helps on students' BM.

Dongzong also oppose the way to learn khat. Education minister claimed that they only introduce khat but not Jawi. But In the syllabus, students are required to identify, read and write Malay simpulan Bahasa in Jawi. Dongzong thinks that this is not like what education minister claimed - learning khat, but it is actually learning Jawi.

Dongzong's appeal is actually very detailed. They think very througly about this issue, down to the practical level.
It is ashamed that the Malay and English news did not cover this part and instead gave a general coverage.
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post Aug 15 2019, 01:35 AM

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Go read dong zong fb page first bro
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post Aug 15 2019, 01:38 AM

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Are Dong Zong going to teach Tamil educators on how to teach Tamil too?
And raise a ruckus if they get ignored?

Why don't they teach Microsoft on how to do their certification tests and syllabus as well?

So if McDonald reintroduced old specials like they always do, should Dong Zong make a ruckus?
Should they demand McD to cook and prepare food as they wanted them?

This is retarded.

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post Aug 15 2019, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(Sycamore @ Aug 15 2019, 01:31 AM)
If you read Dongzong's statement, they never implied islamization in any sense.

Dunno which guy started and said Dongzong say khat=islamization. It's not true. Dongzong never said that.

Dongzong's reazon is simply it is not practical to learn khat. They think khat and BM are two different thing and learning khat does not really helps on students' BM.

Dongzong also oppose the way to learn khat. Education minister claimed that they only introduce khat but not Jawi. But In the syllabus, students are required to identify, read and write Malay simpulan Bahasa in Jawi. Dongzong thinks that this is not like what education minister claimed - learning khat, but it is actually learning Jawi.

Dongzong's appeal is actually very detailed. They think very througly about this issue, down to the practical level.
It is ashamed that the Malay and English news did not cover this part and instead gave a general coverage.
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It’s reported in the English news actually (e.g. the Malay mail, online 10 Aug). Still, it’s not a big deal since it’s just a few lessons. But agree that it may not be a very useful subject to the students future as compared to maybe other subjects such as mental arithmetic.

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post Aug 15 2019, 08:08 AM

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Khat is art
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post Aug 15 2019, 08:09 AM

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Id be glad if mazlee can introduce basic mandarin or tamil for my kids..and im a malay

Lul u guys are weird


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post Aug 15 2019, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Aug 15 2019, 08:09 AM)
Id be glad if mazlee can introduce basic mandarin or tamil for my kids..and im a malay

Lul u guys are weird
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Because mandarin is useful. While khat is not. 🤷‍♂️
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It is not a wrong reason depending on where you live, we in East Malaysia have no use for Jawi at all. Nil.

Our teachers who are not trained to teach this script would either require training or Peninsular teachers to come over. We have cases where bumi students were forcifully converted, I say the people have ample reason to fear islamization especially under this joke of a education minister
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no harm learning jawi..chinese can learn to read bible in jawi also...
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QUOTE(WallMaker @ Aug 15 2019, 08:18 AM)
Because mandarin is useful. While khat is not. 🤷‍♂️
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What u see useful for u doesnt necessarily means useful for the rest. Art was never my favourite subject either. Hence im ok if my kids learn those 2 languages or something new. I end up my degree having to take mandarin language in my course but yeah whatever floats your boat.

Im pure science students in my 2ndary school and no one from my classmates end up as doctor.

How abt add maths? How many accountants use add maths in their daily task?

If u deem knowledge is not important then good luck to ur kids.

Thank gosh atleast u still wont understand what cha ya nun alif means then laugh.gif


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QUOTE(syazwan @ Aug 15 2019, 08:27 AM)
What u see useful for u doesnt necessarily means useful for the rest. Art was never my favourite subject either. Hence im ok if my kids learn those 2 languages or something new. I end up my degree having to take mandarin language in my course but yeah whatever floats your boat.

Im pure science students in my 2ndary school and no one from my classmates end up as doctor.

How abt add maths? How many accountants use add maths in their daily task?

If u deem knowledge is not important then good luck to ur kids.

Thank gosh atleast u still wont understand what cha ya nun alif means then laugh.gif
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Accountant doesn't need add maths. But it's a base for you to further study on subject require maths knowledge. Of course not require to be use in daily life.

But still can't see how can we apply the khat knowledge in real life.
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QUOTE(darrenboy @ Aug 15 2019, 12:07 AM)
I personally don’t think introduction of Khat is a big deal. It’s only going to be a few lessons, after all. I don’t see it as “Islamization” as claimed by Dong Zong. If they want to oppose it, a better reason might be to argue on its usefulness for the students’ future. Their reason is stupid. They never think through properly.

If it’s just a few lessons in art, they might as well introduce it under the arts and culture subject, rather than in BM subject. Nevertheless I would argue that learning Khat may not be very useful. Learning jawi might be better than Khat. I don’t oppose learning jawi because I did learn it in school last time. I didn’t become more Muslim because of learning jawi. It’s okay. No big deal. I heard that it’s really just a few lessons.

Don’t make a mountain out of a molehill.
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I also learned JAWI in school long time ago.
No issue at all, It does not make me less Chinese and does not convert me to Muslim.
Just part of BM subject in school.

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QUOTE(WallMaker @ Aug 15 2019, 08:33 AM)
Accountant doesn't need add maths. But it's a base for you to further study on subject require maths knowledge. Of course not require to be use in daily life.

But still can't see how can we apply the khat knowledge in real life.
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Agreed,don't see any usefulness of this script in real life
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Let's introduce compulsory Chinese calligraphy 6 pages and tamil script 6 pages also while we are at it. It shouldn't be any issue what. No exam, only art. Multiracial country mah..... Everyone should learn the cultural beauty of other races
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QUOTE(WallMaker @ Aug 15 2019, 08:33 AM)
Accountant doesn't need add maths. But it's a base for you to further study on subject require maths knowledge. Of course not require to be use in daily life.

But still can't see how can we apply the khat knowledge in real life.
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U just contradict yourself.

Accountant doesnt need addmaths so why so many students from science stream ..took add maths only to realize when applying college for accountancy course suddenly the subject not useful?

Hence knowledge is knowledge.

Pjk aka as football session (in most schools)also not important as i did not end up as a footballer either.


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QUOTE(StarScream01 @ Aug 15 2019, 08:43 AM)
Let's introduce compulsory Chinese calligraphy 6 pages and tamil script 6 pages also while we are at it. It shouldn't be any issue what. No exam, only art. Multiracial country mah..... Everyone should learn the cultural beauty of other races
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I am extremely agree with this.
In fact i hope there is a subject for it
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post Aug 15 2019, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(darrenboy @ Aug 15 2019, 12:07 AM)
Don’t make a mountain out of a molehill.
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but but.. itu kerja mereka, if not then they won't get re-elected in the next AGM.
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It's pointless to impose & force it upon others when the Malays themselves don't really use jawi in their everyday life.

To introduce & frame it as Khat (the artistic rendition & interpretation of the Arab-origin, Jawi script) into the language subject is even more ridiculous.

Make it optional. The opposition won't be as severe.
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Aug 15 2019, 08:27 AM)
What u see useful for u doesnt necessarily means useful for the rest. Art was never my favourite subject either. Hence im ok if my kids learn those 2 languages or something new. I end up my degree having to take mandarin language in my course but yeah whatever floats your boat.

Im pure science students in my 2ndary school and no one from my classmates end up as doctor.

How abt add maths? How many accountants use add maths in their daily task?

If u deem knowledge is not important then good luck to ur kids.

Thank gosh atleast u still wont understand what cha ya nun alif means then laugh.gif
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Nevermind, instead of khat just put all lar. Chinese and tamil calligraphy or art whatever u called if. Why stop at jawi. Just add all 3 for god(any) sake.


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QUOTE(Sycamore @ Aug 15 2019, 01:31 AM)
It is ashamed that the Malay and English news did not cover this part and instead gave a general coverage.
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since when does malay/english/tamil/mandarin news has been fair?

newsmakers goreng all the factual news until it becomes rojak pasembur as long as it sells papers.

and.. what is the main intention of maszlee when he talked about khat,
dong zhong explained in details but anyone read what maszlee explained in details?

i sure didn't.

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Aug 15 2019, 08:48 AM)
Nevermind, instead of khat just put all lar. Chinese and tamil calligraphy or art whatever u called if. Why stop at jawi. Just add all 3 for god(any) sake.
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i was thinking the same, too..

sometimes watching chinese/korean movies with the scenes of people doing callygraphy facinates me.


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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Aug 15 2019, 08:48 AM)
Nevermind, instead of khat just put all lar. Chinese and tamil calligraphy or art whatever u called if. Why stop at jawi. Just add all 3 for god(any) sake.
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Im ok with that.

Which is what i stated earlier.

Atleast im not hypocrite with my stands whtever something new and good for my kids is good for their knowledge
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that's your own fucking opinion. SJKC and Dong Zong opinion is certainly different than yours
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Aug 15 2019, 08:43 AM)
U just contradict yourself.

Accountant doesnt need addmaths so why so many students from science stream ..took add maths only to realize when applying college for accountancy course suddenly the subject not useful?

Hence knowledge is knowledge.

Pjk aka as football session (in most schools)also not important as i did not end up as a footballer either.
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Walao. What questions u ask? If they become Mcdonald waiter it's their business lah. Same as if they wan to become accountant is their choice too.

But if you want to be engineer, statistician, or even study astronomy. Then u will need those add maths knowledge. If they don't take add maths during secondary school. U think they have chance to enter the course they want to? Like engineering. If only study at that time they already miles behind.

Can u tell me what subject require khat as a base to study?
Please enlighten me.
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QUOTE(pokchik @ Aug 15 2019, 08:49 AM)
i was thinking the same, too..

sometimes watching chinese/korean movies with the scenes of people doing callygraphy facinates me.
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This. When u put all 3 there will never a controversy in the first place.

It look like MOE from no issue make issue. Really poodah.
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Aug 15 2019, 08:50 AM)
Im ok with that.

Which is what i stated earlier.

Atleast im not hypocrite with my stands whtever something new and good for my kids is good for their knowledge
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Yup. That more like it man. Those MOE in a sense really sohai. Seriously.
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ts, you sound smart and educated but at same time dumb as well

if the intend is really about preservation of heritage and truly optional, then why isnt it introduced as a curriculum like say chess club? they can even organize competition from school to national level for it
or introduced under art classes?
why must be attached to bm? the prime paper where u fail and u auto fail everything else?
why bm when there is so many viable if not better options to introduce it?
what makes attaching it to bm that makes it a preservation of heritage?
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QUOTE(Sycamore @ Aug 15 2019, 01:31 AM)
If you read Dongzong's statement, they never implied islamization in any sense.

Dunno which guy started and said Dongzong say khat=islamization. It's not true. Dongzong never said that.

Dongzong's reazon is simply it is not practical to learn khat. They think khat and BM are two different thing and learning khat does not really helps on students' BM.

Dongzong also oppose the way to learn khat. Education minister claimed that they only introduce khat but not Jawi. But In the syllabus, students are required to identify, read and write Malay simpulan Bahasa in Jawi. Dongzong thinks that this is not like what education minister claimed - learning khat, but it is actually learning Jawi.

Dongzong's appeal is actually very detailed. They think very througly about this issue, down to the practical level.
It is ashamed that the Malay and English news did not cover this part and instead gave a general coverage.
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Dong zong is being their silly self's

Knowing them, if the government say "mandatory" rest period of 1 hour, Dong Zong will say "rest" is not practical.
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to me i find no strong reason to oppose, but also no strong reason its to be implemented in the first place.

its like a driving instructor that is required by law to inform everyone how their company was formed and years of experience before starting his lesson. can i appreciate him/her better? perhaps, but in a long run it gives no benefit.

i really dont care about the "islamization" because i dont see it as such. the only thing i can foresee is the youth learning jawi out of spite and start using it in vulgar ways.
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QUOTE(bumpo @ Aug 15 2019, 08:53 AM)

what makes attaching it to bm that makes it a preservation of heritage?
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because melayu mudah lupa, we need help from other races to remind us about khat.
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Aug 15 2019, 08:43 AM)
U just contradict yourself.

Accountant doesnt need addmaths so why so many students from science stream ..took add maths only to realize when applying college for accountancy course suddenly the subject not useful?

Hence knowledge is knowledge.

Pjk aka as football session (in most schools)also not important as i did not end up as a footballer either.
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1) skool dont allow top scores to take art stream which have accounting subject. forced to science stream
2) kiasu. must masuk science stream else considered peasant
3) primary choices for uni not accepted. account is like choice #5
4) all the above
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QUOTE(bumpo @ Aug 15 2019, 08:53 AM)
ts, you sound smart and educated but at same time dumb as well

if the intend is really about preservation of heritage and truly optional, then why isnt it introduced as a curriculum like say chess club? they can even organize competition from school to national level for it
or introduced under art classes?
why must be attached to bm? the prime paper where u fail and u auto fail everything else?
why bm when there is so many viable if not better options to introduce it?
what makes attaching it to bm that makes it a preservation of heritage?
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Did I say anything on preservation of heritage? I didn’t. Didn’t I say that it would hv been better introducing it into arts and culture instead of BM?
Now, who is being dumb? Haha.

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