QUOTE(matthewctj @ Aug 13 2007, 04:09 PM)
While I understand true enthusiast desire, I for one fail to understand how that would assist in determining how that figures can assist them. I see tuning on engine is more to help resolve the issues of reliability of an engine before placing them in a chassis. But the moment it goes into a chassis, the whole figures becomes erratic.
They can get the precise figure and still it wouldn't matter. If I were to take a tuneup engine, B18C for example, and place the engine inside a Civic, the figures churned out for on wheel figures would be different compared to taking the same engine out and placing it inside a CRX. Yet, the same engine will only produce 1 set of figures when calculated on engine. When gear ratios are tuned, they must be tuned on wheel. No point taking the engine out and tune the ratios when all other parts plays a significant role in determining the performance or reliability of a car.
The way I see it, on engine only works when assembling at factory to determine it's realiability. Once inside chassis, that figures don't seem to help in anyway.
I like this, we can learn together ...

But how can you improve the drivetrain without knowing the baseline in the first place? For example, a stock B18C will give you 200hp from factory. Unless you are modding a new engine, that figure no longer holds. As the engine ages, it loses its power. So you do a chassis dyno and get 150HPs. Without an engine dyno, you will not be able to tell whether the lost of 50hps came from the drivetrain or the engine. In theory, transmission lost claimed to be between 12.5-15% but we all know it's never a fixed figure.
When I talked about modding and engine dyno, I'm not talking about changing air filters and replacing performance parts in the engine. I'm talking about the difference of 200 grams in the weight of the crankshaft affecting the power band between 5000-6000rpm. That you'd need an engine dyno.
Furthermore, precision is lost in chassis dyno, as much as up to 5%. That is a big difference when trying to determine whether the latest HKS cams are making the extra 10% power or was it dyno variance.