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 Armaggeddon Pixxel Elite+ 4k panel, Noob review on the panel itself.

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post Jul 28 2019, 09:27 AM

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ok for first try

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bro u cannot have multiple native resolution on a panel.
native pixel means the number of pixels on the panel. native resolution means a 1:1 pixel fillrate on the panel.
so if this is 4k native.. a 1080p will take up 1:4 ( 1 pixel from gpu to 4 pixel on monitor) . 1440p.. this tricky. it will be 4:9

based ok few reviews of songram e240..
looks like this monitor has mutiple EDID tables. this is now da question mark. seems like scalar trickery here.

from what i know. refresh rate u cannot go above the native refresh rate at native resolution at lower resolution.
max is the oc range. if this is a 4k panel@60hz and it can do 144hz @1440p its only one way.. its a 4k panel thats actually 144hz but because it only comes with dp 1.2.. theres the limitation. think about it. if not ppl can run 1080p 240hz from their 1440p 165hz panels.

so hence da question on da panels native pixel rate.

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this monitor in SG etc had so many variation. there was a 4k 75hz... another one claiming HDR etc etc

3.
your 144hz issue could be from cheap dp cable. try to get a better one.

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if possible. can u set in amd driver no scaling. take pic with your phone on desktop icons with windows scaling set at 100%.

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video upload to googlr drive/one drive and share.

show u a scalar trickery on a monitor thats 1440p native
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qZkchZj0S...p0j5FNHtW13Ze6M

will upload to youtube but it will take sometime for youtube to process it for higher resolution. so just wait


see how 150% everything at 4k looks sharp and passable.. but when i set at 100% windows scaling setting.. see how the V, W on the desktop goes whack..... on HDR things will go bonkers even more for 100% windows scaling.

tommorow i will bring my asus pg27q 4k60hz gsync monitor and show you the difference in a large dataset of excel spreadsheet video. the difference with trickery and real 1:1.

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post Jul 28 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Smithmaster @ Jul 28 2019, 11:00 AM)
Thank you. I understand much better based on your explanation. Yes i believe that this has multiple EDID table which made windows recognize the monitor as either a 4k / 1440p / 1080p natively.
I will try your suggestion to see if it is a 4k panel that scaled down. Or 1440p panel to scale up.

For this monitor, it was suppose to have dp 1.4.

I will try to get a better dp cable but is there any particular brand that i should be getting?

I will set through amd software to prevent scaling. I will take a photo with my phone.

Will upload the issue of the tearing and share it to one drive.

Thank you again for educating.
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errr afaik it has
hdmi 2.0 x 1
hdmi 1.4 x 2
dp theres no mention what version it is...

dp cable that i use atm...

https://shopee.com.my/product/35477279/1545165903

its good and bought it because of the length.

scalar trickery is really interesting..on innolux panels it only has a single EDID so u wont get multiple so call native resolution to trick windows... thats what your button does. gsync monitors do it for OC.

so on single EDID setting 4k.. 60.. u get a full 4k. looks good to a point with u set no scaling it will shrink as if 1:1 pixel count on monitor when u set to 1440p.. tricky right...
but when u set 144hz 1440p.. u get back fullscreen.

hmm good question now is all these scalars are what brand realtek etc etc??

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post Jul 28 2019, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(JayceOoi @ Jul 28 2019, 11:36 AM)
So it's not real 4K monitor after all... sad.gif
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dont know yet.. he hasnt show any indication other than this eyes atm...

theres one more way.. i am not sure about this but u can have a try

the mouse dpi...

afaik moust dpi is based on pixel per inch on the screen.. a 4k vs 1440 at 1:1 native pixel .. when u set dpi like 800 u can see the difference

on scalar scaling.. u wont see any ...

again i am not sure how conclusive and accurate this test is
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QUOTE(Smithmaster @ Jul 28 2019, 01:35 PM)
how I get the displayport is 1.4 is I ask directly, it wasnt indicated in anywhere from whatsapp.

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Okay, as for scaling, I make sure that at 4k there is no text scaling or anything. Not sure if i am doing it right or wrong but here goes.

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cant tell dude...
150% scaling 1 looks better than 100% scaling 1,3 and 150% scaling 3.. looks like your hand shaking since how can it look diff than 150% scaling 3.
but looks like legit 4k...

just take a picture with 100% scaling on lowyat forum main page https://forum.lowyat.net/
dat will confirm it...

eh dude can u show in windows advance display properties is that a 8bit or 10bit...
this is a much more exciting news.

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QUOTE(codenchips @ Jul 28 2019, 07:57 PM)
damn the light bleed is so bad!!!
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think its more of ips glow since it changes on the three photos.


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QUOTE(Smithmaster @ Jul 28 2019, 07:54 PM)
My phone camera refuse to focus
Sure thing on the colour bit.
Funny thou.
If  set it to 120hz at 1440p, it will be 10bit but if i set it to 144hz 1440p it will be 8bit
At 4k 60hz it will be back to 10bit
norm. not suprised. maybe its some scalar thing or your dp cable havin issues. some monitor need hdr enabled for 10bit.
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dats a 4k 10bit 60hz ips gsync/freesync at rm1.2k.. dats a damn good deal.
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QUOTE(Free2k @ Jul 29 2019, 12:22 AM)
Did you manage to check if the 120hz is true 120hz with the UFO  frame skipping tests? From one of the reviews I saw of the Songren model, there was frame skipping from his model, but that was at 144hz, and many reports saying that its a 'fake' 144/120hz monitor only able to run at 60hz.

Here is the test:
https://www.testufo.com/frameskipping
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data interesting.

i also dont believe its a proper 120/144. cause of what i said before.

but 4k ips 10bit at that price.. is damn good.

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QUOTE(Smithmaster @ Jul 30 2019, 12:37 PM)
Video

You can judge it on your own accord. I feel it is a real 4k. I have upload a video but You can mute the sound, had song playing on the background.
This video is 4k taken in 100% scaling and I dont see any issue. all text are sharp.
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everything u shown so far shows its a proper 4k bro.. i got 3 screens now with a gsyns 1440p tn, gsync 4k 60 ips, gsync compataible 1440p ips.. ( tested that upscaling thing with this)...

and yours is definately same with that gsync 4k 60 ips except yours even better with a 10bit.

hmm talking about 10bit.. u sure yours cannot support HDR??

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QUOTE(Smithmaster @ Jul 30 2019, 02:07 PM)
It has HDR. But the colour is so bad.
Thank you for confirming.
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for hdr to work properly..... u need to set brightness to max normally.

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QUOTE(Smithmaster @ Aug 2 2019, 07:10 PM)
Where did you get your S2417DG?
How is the colours since its a tn panel?
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tn panel tak boleh dude for color accuracy

example asus pg278q.. one of the first gsync monitors
it had excellent color range etc. but color accuracy you can forget it.. blue is not the blue you will get on ips or printing.

tn panels with gsync are still awesome for gaming.

gsyncs are nvidia inbuilt fpga modules into the monitor.
they are far superior that scalars that support freesync.
the price difference is just too much atm because for some reason nvidia cant do asic modules since all panels differ from each other than needs tweaking of their modules.

but for now with rtx gpus especially on 1440p nobody will be hitting under the freesync range.. so all good.



 

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