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post Jul 25 2019, 08:28 PM, updated 7y ago

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Former prime minister Najib Razak has been told to ‘pay now and talk later’ by the Inland Revenue Board.

KUALA LUMPUR: The Inland Revenue Board, which has filed a suit to recover RM1.69 billion in additional taxes from Najib Razak, wants the ex-prime minister to pay all dues before contesting the matter in court.

Najib’s lawyer Muhammad Farhan Muhammad Shafee said this was unfortunate as the case of “pay now and talk later” would adversely impact his client.

“The amount to the tune of RM1.69 billion will effectively bankrupt my client and disqualify him as an MP,” he told reporters after attending a case management via e-review.

Najib has been Pekan MP since 1976, with the exception of the years between 1982 and 1986 when he was Peramu Jaya assemblyman.

Farhan said lawyers appearing for the IRB had indicated to the court that they were planning to file an application for summary judgement, notwithstanding that there was an appeal on the tax assessment.

He said Najib would be filing a stay of proceedings pending the resolution of the assessment.

The next case management is fixed for Aug 30.

LHDN filed the suit on June 25, asking Najib to pay RM1,692,872,924.83 allegedly owed between 2011 and 2017.

IRB served the writ of summons on Najib as the sole defendant on July 4.

The suit was initiated after Najib failed to act on the IRB’s initial demand in March for additional tax assessments of RM1.47 billion.

This resulted in a 10% hike of RM147 million in April and another compounded 5% hike of RM80 million in May.

The 10% increase was imposed under Section 103 of the Income Tax Act after Najib failed to pay the initial RM1.47 billion within 30 days of the date the assessment notice was issued.

The former prime minister also failed to settle the renewed sum within 60 days under the same provision, which resulted in the compounded 5% hike.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...x-arrears-case/
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post Jul 25 2019, 08:30 PM

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post Jul 25 2019, 08:35 PM

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1.6 billion tax arrears in 6 years?

Wow!
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income tax act so powderful. U want to contest pay first..u no pay 30days increase 10%..still don't want to pay another 60 days increase 5%.
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Oh wow.. so this is the plan
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doesnt matter, BN supporter still dumb. hes BN advisor now. lose MP seat but still control big part of BN party.
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QUOTE(gogocan @ Jul 25 2019, 09:04 PM)
income tax act so powderful. U want to contest pay first..u no pay 30days increase 10%..still don't want to pay another 60 days increase 5%.
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yes with super power + worst than PDRM attitude, i kena last year, passport BAN, than pay only they start investigate, now they owe me money but silence ....
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post Jul 25 2019, 09:32 PM

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Never mind. Next time we order LGE to pay twice this amount.
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post Jul 25 2019, 09:35 PM

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I think thats the plan 🤣
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nice "backup plan".. what is worst than going to jail? live your life in "bankcrupt"..
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Well, lhdn isn't giving ur guy preferential or less than usual treatment.

To EVERYONE it's a case of pay now and dispute later. U first time in Malaysia?
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Jul 25 2019, 09:47 PM)
Well, lhdn isn't giving ur guy preferential or less than usual treatment.

To EVERYONE it's a case of pay now and dispute later. U first time in Malaysia?
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Do it LHDN. Don’t give face.

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Current gov's abuse of power to silence the opposition
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QUOTE(bangaubagus @ Jul 25 2019, 09:57 PM)
Current gov's abuse of power to silence the opposition
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Like how? If wanna abuse power, you think jibby still can fesbuk for 1 year a
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lulz...who's handling his tax?
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QUOTE(bangaubagus @ Jul 25 2019, 09:57 PM)
Current gov's abuse of power to silence the opposition
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post Jul 25 2019, 11:06 PM

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income tax is always the best
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May lose, may this, may that. Don't be stupid la, nothing will happen to najib. He is God.
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Tamatlah riwayat rempit ni.
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Kesian, betul-betul jadi mat rempit after this.

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QUOTE(MyJimmy @ Jul 25 2019, 08:35 PM)
It's okay... If the law cant sent bijan out... Let's use iRB...
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Brb getting friends and families to donate
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He can ask for donation.
If he bankrupted then he have no money to pay for lawyers for SRC and 1MDB case straight gg.
Whoever dare to pay for him, I think IRB can have a look at that person account.
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jul 25 2019, 09:10 PM)
yes with super power + worst than PDRM attitude, i kena last year, passport BAN, than pay only they start investigate, now they owe me money but silence ....
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Passport ban + account freezed + penalty
the best combo ever.
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QUOTE(gogocan @ Jul 25 2019, 09:04 PM)
income tax act so powderful. U want to contest pay first..u no pay 30days increase 10%..still don't want to pay another 60 days increase 5%.
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jul 25 2019, 09:10 PM)
yes with super power + worst than PDRM attitude, i kena last year, passport BAN, than pay only they start investigate, now they owe me money but silence ....
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biasa lah, income tax, lu bayar dulu, nanti lain hari baru cerita laugh.gif

lu tamau bayar, tarak apa, see u in court.....u better hire the best tax lawyer u can find, make sure u win, else, if IRB win, mampus u.......penalty late payment interest till court verdict date sweat.gif

that's why, unless amount really big big, rela jer lah, tax loyar ain't cheap, either u pay IRB or pay tax loyar jer
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QUOTE(2feidei @ Jul 26 2019, 01:52 AM)
biasa lah, income tax, lu bayar dulu, nanti lain hari baru cerita  laugh.gif

lu tamau bayar, tarak apa, see u in court.....u better hire the best tax lawyer u can find, make sure u win, else, if IRB win, mampus u.......penalty late payment interest till court verdict date  sweat.gif

that's why, unless amount really big big, rela jer lah, tax loyar ain't cheap, either u pay IRB or pay tax loyar jer
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niama, my case not even discuss, bayar now ? no, ok ban Passport .....
After bayar, investigate, their fault, refund = waiting 2 year.

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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jul 26 2019, 02:02 AM)
niama, my case not even discuss, bayar now ? no, ok ban Passport .....
After bayar, investigate, their fault, refund = waiting 2 year.
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apa discuss.....no discuss whatsover one okie....lu bayar dulu, don't ahjer ahjor, lu no bayar, gua slap kau u with penalty....lu ignore mai punya letter, gua banned lu munya passport bruce.gif

at least for u they got investigate, let u know outcome......else they taruk your file as "KIV" or "NFA" since sudah bayar, when staff got extra time, need OT, in good mood, only take out check check, read read.....or u prei prei the officer not retire soon sweat.gif
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QUOTE(MyJimmy @ Jul 25 2019, 08:35 PM)
It's okay... If the law cant sent bijan out... Let's use iRB...
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IRB is a form of law too. You don't declare and pay, you can be fined and jailed. Which part of that isn't a law?
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QUOTE(gogocan @ Jul 25 2019, 09:04 PM)
income tax act so powderful. U want to contest pay first..u no pay 30days increase 10%..still don't want to pay another 60 days increase 5%.
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They are the most powerful 'legal' Ah Long in the country. Above everything else. rclxub.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jul 26 2019, 06:29 AM)
They are the most powerful 'legal' Ah Long in the country. Above everything else.  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif
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IRB is collecting the money on behalf of Government Malaysia.

Im sure it is not appropriate to call them along
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QUOTE(bangaubagus @ Jul 25 2019, 09:57 PM)
Current gov's abuse of power to silence the opposition
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He has so many freedom went around do selfie at hyper market and even made many statements

Where got ?

This has been done before when USA indicted al Capone for tax evasion


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Mp seat? Wat heppen to all those trial on mdb??
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better think before you guys wish somethings.
I prefer LHDN to lose and this case will be precedential to others LHDN cases. It Najib win, LHDN will treat our case with careful not like bullies, pay first talk later although our arguments is valid.
I personally have arguments about penalties but at the end just pay to avoid more penalties
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 08:11 AM)
better think before you guys wish somethings.
I prefer LHDN to lose and this case will be precedential to others LHDN cases. It Najib win, LHDN will treat our case with careful not like bullies, pay first talk later although our arguments is valid.
I personally have arguments about penalties but at the end just pay to avoid more penalties
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Bodo dupe sial.

There is no way to challenge LHDN la bodo


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Najib's creative team will need to work hard for this.
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QUOTE(ohman @ Jul 26 2019, 08:15 AM)
Bodo dupe sial.

There is no way to challenge LHDN la bodo
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kalau dah ada precedent LHDN kalah, lawyer boleh refer to that case.
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 08:20 AM)
kalau dah ada precedent LHDN kalah, lawyer boleh refer to that case.
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Pakai la otak, bodo.

LHDN represents this country.

And obviously the judges will not allow that to happen.


If this is the brain of macai, no wonder bijan kalah teruk
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QUOTE(ohman @ Jul 26 2019, 08:21 AM)
Pakai la otak, bodo.

LHDN represents this country.

And obviously the judges will not allow that to happen.
If this is the brain of macai, no wonder bijan kalah teruk
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haii, bila macai PH berkata2.. dunia ini dia yang punya.

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he can delay the suit until next ge.. if bn wins again, ......
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jul 26 2019, 02:02 AM)
niama, my case not even discuss, bayar now ? no, ok ban Passport .....
After bayar, investigate, their fault, refund = waiting 2 year.
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Suddenly this reminds me of GST refund issue ... so if according to the definition of many \k here, did "rompakan" telah berlaku? cool2.gif rclxs0.gif

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QUOTE(ju146 @ Jul 25 2019, 09:59 PM)
Like how? If wanna abuse power, you think jibby still can fesbuk for 1 year a
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That is due lack of will to prosecute or lack of evidences.

This one is harrassment
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QUOTE(gogocan @ Jul 25 2019, 09:04 PM)
income tax act so powderful. U want to contest pay first..u no pay 30days increase 10%..still don't want to pay another 60 days increase 5%.
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jul 25 2019, 09:10 PM)
yes with super power + worst than PDRM attitude, i kena last year, passport BAN, than pay only they start investigate, now they owe me money but silence ....
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Ah long ni.
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Can this bomoh baldi help bijan?
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 08:20 AM)
kalau dah ada precedent LHDN kalah, lawyer boleh refer to that case.
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Don't waste your time talking to that retard, he'll just "we are not in a court" when lose argument. him, friedricetheman and 1 more bapok should all auto go into ignore list.
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QUOTE(techfreakguy @ Jul 26 2019, 06:22 AM)
IRB is a form of law too. You don't declare and pay, you can be fined and jailed. Which part of that isn't a law?
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Well.. You are right.
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 07:27 AM)
haii, bila macai PH berkata2.. dunia ini dia yang punya.
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hai bila macai bn berkata2... mcm di dunia sendiri saja...
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If I am not wrong, LHDN does offer payback in installments...

I think jibby can easily drag this by paying partial payment, without heading to bankcruptcy... drama betul
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QUOTE(bangaubagus @ Jul 26 2019, 08:47 AM)
That is due lack of will to prosecute or lack of evidences.

This one is harrassment
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now only i know demand from IRB is only a form of harassment, as if it is lawful for jibby not to pay the demand taxes on time.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jul 25 2019, 09:32 PM)
Never mind. Next time we order LGE to pay twice this amount.
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 08:11 AM)
better think before you guys wish somethings.
I prefer LHDN to lose and this case will be precedential to others LHDN cases. It Najib win, LHDN will treat our case with careful not like bullies, pay first talk later although our arguments is valid.
I personally have arguments about penalties but at the end just pay to avoid more penalties
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kek
this had been challenged by many big corporations in the past
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post Jul 26 2019, 09:51 AM

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imo, i dont think he will pay, he would rather go to jail and get more sympathy from supporters. He might be popular just like anwar behind the bar.
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 09:51 AM)
imo, i dont think he will pay, he would rather go to jail and get more sympathy from supporters. He might be popular just like anwar behind the bar.
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Hmmm lhdn say the money is taxed under his rm2.6billion money banked in to his account

So gov said rm2.6 billion is stolen money

Since when stolen money need to be taxed? 😬
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Jul 26 2019, 09:53 AM)
Hmmm lhdn say the money is taxed under his rm2.6billion money banked in to his account

So gov said rm2.6 billion is stolen money

Since when stolen money need to be taxed? 😬
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probably stalemate to bijan.

if he insists the 2.6b is donation. then must pay tax or declare bankruptcy if cant pay.

if he admit money is stolen, then bye2 go jail lor

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QUOTE(jazzkobis @ Jul 26 2019, 09:56 AM)
probably stalemate to bijan.

if he insists the 2.6b is donation. then must pay tax or declare bankruptcy if cant pay.

if he admit money is stolen, then bye2 go jail lor

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Hahaha true!!

Will be interesting to see how he wriggle out of this
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Jul 26 2019, 09:53 AM)
Hmmm lhdn say the money is taxed under his rm2.6billion money banked in to his account

So gov said rm2.6 billion is stolen money

Since when stolen money need to be taxed? 😬
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Sigh, go and Google pls - taxation on income from illegal activities, or taxation on illegal income. Many common law jurisdictions have established this subject.

Not a day goes by you don't live up to your Stigonbodo name.
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QUOTE(lagista @ Jul 26 2019, 09:52 AM)
kalau begitu cepat2 lah masuk ke dalam
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he will get first class treatments la.. astro, internets, good foods while waiting for royal pardon
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 08:11 AM)
better think before you guys wish somethings.
I prefer LHDN to lose and this case will be precedential to others LHDN cases. It Najib win, LHDN will treat our case with careful not like bullies, pay first talk later although our arguments is valid.
I personally have arguments about penalties but at the end just pay to avoid more penalties
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Oh yeah, this will come back to bite me next time I get hundreds of millions in Arab donations.
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 10:02 AM)
he will get first class treatments la.. astro, internets, good foods while waiting for royal pardon
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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 26 2019, 10:02 AM)
Sigh, go and Google pls - taxation on income from illegal activities, or taxation on illegal income. Many common law jurisdictions have established this subject.

Not a day goes by you don't live up to your Stigonbodo name.
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Nope not in Malaysia

You the one is bodoh
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Jul 26 2019, 09:56 AM)
Hahaha true!!

Will be interesting to see how he wriggle out of this
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Jul 26 2019, 10:06 AM)
Nope not in Malaysia

You the one is bodoh
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There is one case as precedent in Malaysia already, regarding income from illegal logging. Sigh, kecian Stigonbodo.
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2.6b tax 1.69b?

for real ah?
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Oh yeah, this will come back to bite me next time I get hundreds of millions in Arab donations.
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let say someone manage to sell his properties with your help and give you monetary gift on top of your commissions. is the gift taxable?
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 10:24 AM)
let say someone manage to sell his properties with your help and give you monetary gift on top of your commissions. is the gift taxable?
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Is the gift 700m?
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 10:24 AM)
let say someone manage to sell his properties with your help and give you monetary gift on top of your commissions. is the gift taxable?
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Its considered a gain in Lhdn eyes

Dont because u suka2 rename u what u want then u think u can lari tax.
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Jul 26 2019, 10:40 AM)
Its considered a gain in Lhdn eyes

Dont because u suka2 rename u what u want then u think u can lari tax.
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if that someone is your brother selling family properties under his name?
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Jul 26 2019, 10:23 AM)
2.6b tax 1.69b?

for real ah?
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it's for income backdated for many years back... not just for that 1 time donations only..
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 10:46 AM)
if that someone is your brother selling family properties under his name?
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Im just telling u what is the lhdn definition according to ITA 1967. 'Gains'. When it comes to your words my words, how do u prove to lhdn its a gift? If u can't prove it, u pay.

'my brother sukarela gift to me one' is not proof.

The law gives lhdn such powers. So if u want to be a country based on law n order that's the game u play.

Reason I say this is cuz after u kena repeated audit from lhdn u know their style. Good thing is after every audit the file is cleaned.

This post has been edited by teehk_tee: Jul 26 2019, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 10:24 AM)
let say someone manage to sell his properties with your help and give you monetary gift on top of your commissions. is the gift taxable?
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monetary gift is taxable under Maresian tax law lah, unless the recipient hold tax exempt status granted by LHDN and the person need to issue tax exempt donation receipt
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Jul 26 2019, 10:56 AM)
Im just telling u what is the lhdn definition according to ITA 1967. 'Gains'. When it comes to your words my words, how do u prove to lhdn its a gift? If u can't prove it, u pay.

'my brother sukarela gift to me one' is not proof.

The law gives lhdn such powers. So if u want to be a country based on law n order that's the game u play.

Reason I say this is cuz after u kena repeated audit from lhdn u know their style. Good thing is after every audit the file is cleaned.
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agree, but dont simply give penalties for old cases before court decides. If LHDN korek 7 years old transaction and keep penalise you for that undeclared transactions which you unaware of its illegality. susah la..
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 11:06 AM)
agree, but dont simply give penalties for old cases before court decides. If LHDN korek 7 years old transaction and keep penalise you for that undeclared transactions which you unaware of its illegality. susah la..
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what do you mean by "simply give penalty"? LHDN is empowered to do so under ITA
go read up before defend your bossku
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QUOTE(kiasunkiasi @ Jul 26 2019, 11:09 AM)
what do you mean by "simply give penalty"? LHDN is empowered to do so under ITA
go read up before defend your bossku
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bro, i am not defending bossku.. fullstop
i just hope that i MAY use his case (if he win) as my case references on my dealing with LHDN in future as i had a hard time argue with them on amount of penalties charged to me although i have a valid arguments.
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 11:06 AM)
agree, but dont simply give penalties for old cases before court decides. If LHDN korek 7 years old transaction and keep penalise you for that undeclared transactions which you unaware of its illegality . susah la..
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The law provides for their actions.
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Ignorance of the law is not a defence in law... U can't plead u tak tau then say kasi Chan la saya tak tau..
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Wow...1.6 billions tax... how much he earned?
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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 26 2019, 10:23 AM)
There is one case as precedent in Malaysia already, regarding income from illegal logging. Sigh, kecian Stigonbodo.
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Illegal logging is different

The logs may illegally cut but the profits is not as they are sold legally and the money they got is from valid customers and business transaction

Valid transaction - taxed

For Bijan case the money is STOLEN from someone else account so the money is illegal hence it cant be taxed

Invalid transaction - not taxable

Rather then spent time saying ppl bodo here and there maybe you need to brush up your IQ and knowledge first


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QUOTE(2feidei @ Jul 26 2019, 01:52 AM)
biasa lah, income tax, lu bayar dulu, nanti lain hari baru cerita  laugh.gif

lu tamau bayar, tarak apa, see u in court.....u better hire the best tax lawyer u can find, make sure u win, else, if IRB win, mampus u.......penalty late payment interest till court verdict date  sweat.gif

that's why, unless amount really big big, rela jer lah, tax loyar ain't cheap, either u pay IRB or pay tax loyar jer
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For normal people like us, make sure hire tax consultant first. Cheaper than going to court with tax loyar.

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QUOTE(lagista @ Jul 26 2019, 08:50 AM)
Can this bomoh baldi help bijan?
4 Jul 2018
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I'd be surprised if it will. rclxms.gif
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Time for Makcik pakcik, keluarkan duit tabung yet again !
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he has the money from all the offshore accounts geh, pay up la.
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 10:24 AM)
let say someone manage to sell his properties with your help and give you monetary gift on top of your commissions. is the gift taxable?
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Gift.


Call it commission la boy.


Apa dupe peram lama bodo nak cover for bijan
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Don't worry umno will back bossku....

Bossku ada lagi banyak duit @ caymans
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QUOTE(MyJimmy @ Jul 25 2019, 08:35 PM)
It's okay... If the law cant sent bijan out... Let's use iRB...
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Jul 26 2019, 11:33 AM)
Illegal logging is different

The logs may illegally cut but the profits is not as they are sold legally and the money they got is from valid customers and business transaction

Valid transaction - taxed

For Bijan case the money is STOLEN from someone else account so the money is illegal hence it cant be taxed

Invalid transaction - not taxable

Rather then spent time saying ppl bodo here and there maybe you need to brush up your IQ and knowledge first
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so u mean for najib to avoid this tax issue, he need to prove/admit that the money is illegal(stolen) money la?
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QUOTE(AteCerCiter @ Jul 26 2019, 11:20 AM)
bro, i am not defending bossku.. fullstop
i just hope that i MAY use his case (if he win) as my case references on my dealing with LHDN in future as i had a hard time argue with them on amount of penalties charged to me although i have a valid arguments.
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don't hold your breath on this
LHDN had been slapping penalties on tax payers according to ITA for ages
many big corporations tried, some refused to pay and file Form Q challenge LHDN in court, but the penalties will stay

you can refuse to pay, and the max penalties LHDN can slap on you is initial 10% and additional 5%, unless it's fraudulent case then additional fines and penalties will appy

as said, you can refuse to pay and file Form Q to challenge LHDN in court
question is, do you have the resources to hire all those consultants and lawyers?
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QUOTE(brkli @ Jul 26 2019, 12:19 PM)
so u mean for najib to avoid this tax issue, he need to prove/admit that the money is illegal(stolen) money la?
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I think that is the gov tactic

They want Bijan to admit the truth - the money is illegal
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Jul 26 2019, 12:21 PM)
I think that is the gov tactic

They want Bijan to admit the truth - the money is illegal
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well, it is all about money and a backup plan. for some reason Najib win his corruption cases. then he need to pay for the tax as those transaction u mention are "valid" in the court of law.
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QUOTE(pokolinou @ Jul 26 2019, 12:04 PM)
I'd be surprised if it will.  rclxms.gif
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1) if bijan is taxed for the political fund received, later revenge time all opposition parties will be penalised for the same reason.


2) If bijan is taxed for money derived from oversea, later all Malaysian work oversea will be taxed when they bring their money back to Malaysia.


This is a very big precedent to agree.
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QUOTE(Yamma @ Jul 26 2019, 12:35 PM)
1) if bijan is taxed for the political fund received, later revenge time all opposition parties will be penalised for the same reason.
2) If bijan is taxed for money derived from oversea, later all Malaysian work oversea will be taxed when they bring their money back to Malaysia.
This is a very big precedent to agree.
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What you talking?

Gift = income la
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QUOTE(ohman @ Jul 26 2019, 12:39 PM)
What you talking?

Gift = income la
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income derived from oversea where got tax. under what basis it's taxable by Malaysia authority? go read.
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QUOTE(Yamma @ Jul 26 2019, 12:41 PM)
income derived from oversea where got tax. under what basis it's taxable by Malaysia authority? go read.
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What are you waiting for? Go defend him in the court la.

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QUOTE(Yamma @ Jul 26 2019, 12:41 PM)
income derived from oversea where got tax. under what basis it's taxable by Malaysia authority? go read.
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since when is donation = income?
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As much as I’m happy for Najib to be charged with more things, I think the LHDN practice of pay first appeal later is nonsensical. Imagine if they wrongly charge you with millions you can’t pay. That makes you a bankrupt and you can’t leave the country just because they made a mistake.

Stupid system that needs to be changed.
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Jul 26 2019, 11:33 AM)
Illegal logging is different

The logs may illegally cut but the profits is not as they are sold legally and the money they got is from valid customers and business transaction

Valid transaction - taxed

For Bijan case the money is STOLEN from someone else account so the money is illegal hence it cant be taxed

Invalid transaction - not taxable

Rather then spent time saying ppl bodo here and there maybe you need to brush up your IQ and knowledge first
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Really living up to your name. Malaysian Courts already deemed that case as illegal income - taxable as well as can claim deductions.

O forgot, Stigonbodo opinion overrides Courts and reality.
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so rakyat merhan can delay pay to LHDN or not?

or got kabel VIP title only can delay payment?
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if najip love his country and is patriotic, he should pay. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ohman @ Jul 26 2019, 12:43 PM)
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What are you waiting for? Go defend him in the court la.

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Not defending him. In fact IRB also know they got no case. They only use the opportunity of charge and pay first, before the court to decide. Just to silent him. PH gov not dare to have another prk in malay majority area - gonna be another humiliation to them.

QUOTE(kiasunkiasi @ Jul 26 2019, 01:02 PM)
since when is donation = income?
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donation not income? so no tax?
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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 26 2019, 01:12 PM)
Really living up to your name. Malaysian Courts already deemed that case as illegal income - taxable as well as can claim deductions.

O forgot, Stigonbodo opinion overrides Courts and reality.
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God

Do you even know the difference between illegal business and stealing ? Lol

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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 26 2019, 01:12 PM)
Really living up to your name. Malaysian Courts already deemed that case as illegal income - taxable as well as can claim deductions.

O forgot, Stigonbodo opinion overrides Courts and reality.
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illegal income is taxable. IRB doesn't care the income derived in what way legal or illegal. As long as it qualify as income, then tax.

Just wondering, which court already deemed this case as illegal income? Najib so far only has SRC court case to date, which is still on going.
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How the fook he actually can owe LHDN 1.4 billions?
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Why rakyat have to pay first and talk later but VIP no need?


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QUOTE(Mr. Najib Razak @ Jul 26 2019, 07:14 AM)
1 penggal kerajaan
Can't do much haha
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Oh my..do you guys remember the yellow balloon incident?

How the mighty has fallen eh..its not a bad thing..his falling revive umno and they might get back to power..

I say just do it...i am sick with ph or bn better..when we god damn know that this clown is the downfall of bn.


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sudah lama tau.

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Jul 26 2019, 11:45 AM)
For normal people like us, make sure hire tax consultant first. Cheaper than going to court with tax loyar.
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normal pipul no need tax consultant lah, diy..... laugh.gif tax consultant fee oledi more than the tax paid liou sweat.gif

big boss like u, need lah.....ayam no need biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(drug5 @ Jul 26 2019, 01:38 PM)
How the fook he actually can owe LHDN 1.4 billions?
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Time ticking fast... tick tock tick tock tick tock....

Taxman to hunt down evaders after Sept 30
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4821911

..Inland Revenue Board chief executive Sabin Samitah said after Sept 30, its team of investigators would start “risk analyses” and would begin to hunt those who had owed the government in income taxes.

“We will catch you after September. We have big data and let me tell you now, it is damn good. We know everything. shocking.gif
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QUOTE(Newsray @ Jul 26 2019, 01:41 PM)
Why rakyat have to pay first and talk later but VIP no need?
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All taxpayers required to pay once notice is given, High Court hears in Najib's RM1.69bil LHDN case
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4984457

...All taxpayers are required to pay their dues once they received the notice from the Inland Revenue Board (LHDN) – and this includes Datuk Seri Najib Razak, the High Court heard.

Deputy revenue solicitor Abu Tariq Jamaluddin from the LHDN said the provision under the Income Tax Act 1967 had been established for years.

It would be unfair to other taxpayers who paid on time if Najib, as the defendant, was exempted, he said.

In his submission on Monday (June 22), Abu Tariq said Najib had in fact been given two opportunities to answer LHDN's notice, but had failed to respond.

He said LHDN filed the suit to recover the money as Najib did not make any payment.
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QUOTE(2feidei @ Jul 26 2019, 02:54 PM)
normal pipul no need tax consultant lah, diy..... laugh.gif tax consultant fee oledi more than the tax paid liou  sweat.gif

big boss like u, need lah.....ayam no need  biggrin.gif
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Pay first, kawtim later issit brows.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lagista @ Jun 23 2020, 01:15 PM)
Pay first, kawtim later issit  brows.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jun 23 2020, 01:40 PM)
Court will clear him :( scot-free

PN is low quality backdoor
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He has to pay the tax. That amount of tax alone is about 6 to 7% of the entire country's SST collections for 1 year. There are things you cannot escape: death, and taxes. Pay up, just like the rest of us.
Currylaksa
post Jun 23 2020, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Evens @ Jun 23 2020, 02:03 PM)
He has to pay the tax.  That amount of tax alone is about 6 to 7% of the entire country's SST collections for 1 year.  There are things you cannot escape:  death, and taxes.  Pay up, just like the rest of us.
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He will not pay it biggrin.gif

Just watch
lagista
post Jul 22 2020, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Evens @ Jun 23 2020, 02:03 PM)
He has to pay the tax.  That amount of tax alone is about 6 to 7% of the entire country's SST collections for 1 year.  There are things you cannot escape:  death, and taxes.  Pay up, just like the rest of us.
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Najib need to pay Rm1.6bil tax penalty first, Jeng jeng jeng
22 Jul 2020
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5000357

...Keputusan itu bermakna Najib perlu membayar cukai berjumlah RM1.69 bilion kepada LHDN.

 

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