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Is my current build bottleneck somehow?, Recent upgrade and see fewer weird state
Is my current build bottleneck somehow?, Recent upgrade and see fewer weird state
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Jul 19 2019, 03:40 AM
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Jul 19 2019, 09:11 AM
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Jul 19 2019, 09:13 AM
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Jul 19 2019, 09:58 AM
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Your build is pretty balance even my 4th gen i5 does not bottleneck the 1060. I've watch a video about bottleneck by linus but i dont remember the detail where it shows that when u have a balance system playing in 1440p and then you change to 1080p monitor, the card will work less but the cpu would maintain high work load, its something like that. u could try different setting or different game to compare. Hardware wise is adding one more stick of ram
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Jul 19 2019, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(Xanelyne @ Jul 18 2019, 04:23 PM) i just did a reset pc and i didnt install any cracked software or game in it afterward. i think should be clean? my overwatch suppose to be secure in 120 fps in epic setting. but now its like staying on 90 or even like to spike drop to 70++ Looks like some sort of Vsync option has been enable,framerate limiter has been reached. Temp looks okay under constant gaming load right? |
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Jul 19 2019, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(ketaros @ Jul 19 2019, 09:58 AM) Your build is pretty balance even my 4th gen i5 does not bottleneck the 1060. I've watch a video about bottleneck by linus but i dont remember the detail where it shows that when u have a balance system playing in 1440p and then you change to 1080p monitor, the card will work less but the cpu would maintain high work load, its something like that. u could try different setting or different game to compare. Hardware wise is adding one more stick of ram Yes, im usually gaming in 1080P which is enough for me (and the main reason i buy these two baby~) for now i only have 2 game to try on PUBG and overwatch. Not gonna do pirated game again... cuz performance seem to be effected by some of them. About adding another stick.. nowsaday cant really find a ddr4 2133mhz 8GB (usually cost RM200++) so im wondering to go dual channel ddr4 4gb 2400mhz (will reduced to 2133mhz due to motherboard limit but its okay?) or buy another 8gb 2400mhz instead and add in. what do you think about the ram?QUOTE(WiiPS3_74 @ Jul 19 2019, 10:25 AM) Looks like some sort of Vsync option has been enable,framerate limiter has been reached. Temp looks okay under constant gaming load right? Not vsync. cuz if that thing is on my fps is usually stuck on 60fps forever and the slowness of respond is very obvious. Temp for both gpu and cpu work great all under 70'C. |
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Jul 20 2019, 09:25 AM
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You need to post the images of cpu-z (memory and spd tabs) then can help you which 2400 can suit your motherboard, as latency timings will decide.
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Jul 21 2019, 07:22 AM
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Jul 21 2019, 11:27 AM
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ok, so you are currently using Kingston valueram, 2133 CL16 8Gb and the clock is operating at 1066 CL15, that means you can get another kingston valueram 2400 CL17 8Gb for dual channel configuration, as the clock of 2400 CL17 can operate at either 1200 CL17 or downstep to 1066 CL15 (which your ram is currently running), you can look at the memory timings here :
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ple...400mhz.3455929/ The part number is KVR24N17S8/8 https://shopee.com.my/Kingston-8GB-DDR4-240...7117.1274187261 If you want you can also get kingston 2666 CL18, which the clock should operate at 1333 CL18 or 1200 CL17 or 1066 CL15, but maybe expensive now I think. Other brands like adata, Hynix, samsung etc can also work, but you need to make sure the CL before buying. You can also anyhow buy the ram, but you need to put the slower ram in slot 1, and the clock may not be 1066 CL15 or dual channel anymore, it could be other clock speed/CL (depending on the cpu memory controller) and you may get BSOD if not match properly. |
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Jul 21 2019, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(BTS1501 @ Jul 21 2019, 11:27 AM) ok, so you are currently using Kingston valueram, 2133 CL16 8Gb and the clock is operating at 1066 CL15, that means you can get another kingston valueram 2400 CL17 8Gb for dual channel configuration, as the clock of 2400 CL17 can operate at either 1200 CL17 or downstep to 1066 CL15 (which your ram is currently running), you can look at the memory timings here : thanks for your decent reply!!! https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ple...400mhz.3455929/ The part number is KVR24N17S8/8 https://shopee.com.my/Kingston-8GB-DDR4-240...7117.1274187261 If you want you can also get kingston 2666 CL18, which the clock should operate at 1333 CL18 or 1200 CL17 or 1066 CL15, but maybe expensive now I think. Other brands like adata, Hynix, samsung etc can also work, but you need to make sure the CL before buying. You can also anyhow buy the ram, but you need to put the slower ram in slot 1, and the clock may not be 1066 CL15 or dual channel anymore, it could be other clock speed/CL (depending on the cpu memory controller) and you may get BSOD if not match properly. pne more thing.. since the timing is different.. do i need to manually set it to the lower timing even if i put the slowest one on slot one? (actually this motherboard only have two memory slot... i dont know why it's running in slot 3.) |
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Jul 21 2019, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(Xanelyne @ Jul 21 2019, 11:54 AM) pne more thing.. since the timing is different.. do i need to manually set it to the lower timing even if i put the slowest one on slot one? (actually this motherboard only have two memory slot... i dont know why it's running in slot 3.) No, there is no need to manually set to lower timing, you only need to put the slower ram (2133) on slot 1 and the faster ram in slot 3 (for dual channel) or slot 2 for single channel, and the cpu memory controller will take care of the clock speed/CL. However, some boards you need to put the ram in slot 1 and 2 for dual channel, not slot 1/3. You need to read your motherboard manual. The speed difference between single channel and dual channel configuration is around 10-20%. Have a nice weekend |
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Jul 21 2019, 04:47 PM
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oops, my bad, not the speed difference, the correct word should be , the performance difference between single and dual channel is only 10-20%, sometimes even lower or no difference. You will only notice it in memory intensive programs or games (probably a few fps increase). Not all games though.
early 2000 you can see the difference between 64bit (single channel) and 128bit (dual channel), and its in graphics card. Last time the early PCI-e card has 64bit and 128bit memory interface (The old AGP card also has these), like the Geforce 6200 (64bit) and 6600GT (128bit), you can see the stuttering in 64bits cards very often when playing games whereas 128bit cards the games are quite smooth, with occasional stuttering. However, for cpu/ram, in everyday office tasks/surf net, you won't notice any difference with single or dual channel. |
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Jul 21 2019, 06:02 PM
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Always interesting to read these kind of threads...
Wish I could contribute also. But I know too little and also I don't play those games that TS play. Maybe TS can check other games to eliminate the possibility that this issue is particular to those games only. |
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Jul 21 2019, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(BTS1501 @ Jul 21 2019, 04:47 PM) oops, my bad, not the speed difference, the correct word should be , the performance difference between single and dual channel is only 10-20%, sometimes even lower or no difference. You will only notice it in memory intensive programs or games (probably a few fps increase). Not all games though. I had the 6600gt myself. Prior to that, I had the Ati 9600xt...early 2000 you can see the difference between 64bit (single channel) and 128bit (dual channel), and its in graphics card. Last time the early PCI-e card has 64bit and 128bit memory interface (The old AGP card also has these), like the Geforce 6200 (64bit) and 6600GT (128bit), you can see the stuttering in 64bits cards very often when playing games whereas 128bit cards the games are quite smooth, with occasional stuttering. However, for cpu/ram, in everyday office tasks/surf net, you won't notice any difference with single or dual channel. Brings back old memories. |
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Jul 22 2019, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Jul 21 2019, 06:02 PM) Always interesting to read these kind of threads... bwhaha some old geezer le ady isit xDWish I could contribute also. But I know too little and also I don't play those games that TS play. Maybe TS can check other games to eliminate the possibility that this issue is particular to those games only. yea i did check online and a lot of ppl report a huge different with this dual channel and single channel. especially BF1 where many said the game is unplayable in single channel (2133 - 2666 those). beside that the other game so so only lorh. PUBG do get a stable FPS la, not really increasing. and Overwatch not much difference since the game not really heavy or so. |
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Jul 22 2019, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(BTS1501 @ Jul 21 2019, 04:47 PM) oops, my bad, not the speed difference, the correct word should be , the performance difference between single and dual channel is only 10-20%, sometimes even lower or no difference. You will only notice it in memory intensive programs or games (probably a few fps increase). Not all games though. ohhh i see....early 2000 you can see the difference between 64bit (single channel) and 128bit (dual channel), and its in graphics card. Last time the early PCI-e card has 64bit and 128bit memory interface (The old AGP card also has these), like the Geforce 6200 (64bit) and 6600GT (128bit), you can see the stuttering in 64bits cards very often when playing games whereas 128bit cards the games are quite smooth, with occasional stuttering. However, for cpu/ram, in everyday office tasks/surf net, you won't notice any difference with single or dual channel. i just follow as what you said and now my system is 16GB with dual channel (i added a ddr4 2400mhz 8GB, kingston) the modal u mentioned if not mistaken. So far my BF1 become more smooth le. But isin't 16GB a little bit overkill for gaming? im not sure, just asking xd |
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Jul 22 2019, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Xanelyne @ Jul 22 2019, 10:18 AM) bwhaha some old geezer le ady isit xD No matter how old I would be, I will always be young at heart yea i did check online and a lot of ppl report a huge different with this dual channel and single channel. especially BF1 where many said the game is unplayable in single channel (2133 - 2666 those). beside that the other game so so only lorh. PUBG do get a stable FPS la, not really increasing. and Overwatch not much difference since the game not really heavy or so. But I just don't play online games at all. More of a single player (mostly RPG) kind... |
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Jul 22 2019, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(Xanelyne @ Jul 22 2019, 10:22 AM) ohhh i see.... That's good to hear, at least BF1 benefited from dual channel config. i just follow as what you said and now my system is 16GB with dual channel (i added a ddr4 2400mhz 8GB, kingston) the modal u mentioned if not mistaken. So far my BF1 become more smooth le. But isin't 16GB a little bit overkill for gaming? im not sure, just asking xd For me I am also too old, prefer to spend time watching TV than playing games, as now watching 3D games for a few mins my head will also spin |
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Jul 22 2019, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(Xanelyne @ Jul 22 2019, 10:22 AM) ohhh i see.... 16GB RAM IS THE SWEET SPOT FOR GAMING NOWADAYS CONSIDERING THE PRICE YOU PAID FOR THEM.i just follow as what you said and now my system is 16GB with dual channel (i added a ddr4 2400mhz 8GB, kingston) the modal u mentioned if not mistaken. So far my BF1 become more smooth le. But isin't 16GB a little bit overkill for gaming? im not sure, just asking xd My PC spec: I5 4670k@4Ghz 24gb RAM GTX1060 6GB Samsung SSD 512GB + Kingston SSD 480GB So far I cant feel any bottleneck for any single player games I played. I don't play MP games on my PC tho. |
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