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TSdakr
post Jul 10 2019, 12:36 PM, updated 7y ago

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Hi what are the tradeable instruments related to the KLCI? I've listed the ones below

1) All the underlying stocks making up KLCI
2) FKLI
3) OKLI
4) ETF: FBMKLCI-EA 0820EA

Anything else?

This post has been edited by dakr: Jul 10 2019, 12:36 PM
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post Jul 10 2019, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(dakr @ Jul 10 2019, 12:36 PM)
Hi what are the tradeable instruments related to the KLCI? I've listed the ones below

1) All the underlying stocks making up KLCI
2) FKLI
3) OKLI
4) ETF: FBMKLCI-EA 0820EA

Anything else?
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Structured Warrants.. FBMKLCI-C* (Calls) nd FBMKLCI-H* (Puts)
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post Jul 11 2019, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 10 2019, 02:05 PM)
Structured Warrants.. FBMKLCI-C* (Calls) nd FBMKLCI-H* (Puts)
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post Jul 11 2019, 12:13 PM

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KLCI is so boring.. everywhere green but it is sleeping 😴
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post Jul 11 2019, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(dakr @ Jul 10 2019, 12:36 PM)
Hi what are the tradeable instruments related to the KLCI? I've listed the ones below

1) All the underlying stocks making up KLCI
2) FKLI
3) OKLI
4) ETF: FBMKLCI-EA 0820EA

Anything else?
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EWM , etf listed on nyse, but its abit more broader


QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 11 2019, 12:13 PM)
KLCI is so boring.. everywhere green but it is sleeping 😴
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Tell me about it man, small caps seems ok though

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post Jul 17 2019, 09:19 PM

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KLCI down 11 points today (0.68%). For KLCI standards this is higher volatility than normal. News say its because of Trump tweet on trade war, but I looked at SGX and HK steady jer. These countries hv more to lose in trade war.

Im wondering if this Anwar n Azmin thing is a factor affecting market..
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post Oct 13 2019, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(dakr @ Jul 10 2019, 12:36 PM)
Hi what are the tradeable instruments related to the KLCI? I've listed the ones below

1) All the underlying stocks making up KLCI
2) FKLI
3) OKLI
4) ETF: FBMKLCI-EA 0820EA

Anything else?
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Notice no one talk much about Msia KLCI ETF..

Is it because the high management fee / expense ratio?

https://www.ambankgroup.com/sites/fbmklciet...es/default.aspx

Management Fee:
0.50% p.a. of the NAV of the Fund

Trustee Fee:
0.06% p.a. of the NAV of the Fund
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post Oct 13 2019, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Oct 13 2019, 03:43 PM)
Notice no one talk much about Msia KLCI ETF..

Is it because the high management fee / expense ratio?

https://www.ambankgroup.com/sites/fbmklciet...es/default.aspx

Management Fee:
0.50% p.a. of the NAV of the Fund

Trustee Fee:
0.06% p.a. of the NAV of the Fund
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Other than the high fee.. The one problem I think is the KLCI index itself. Just a few large caps dominate the index. The top 4 companies: Public bank, Tenaga, Maybank, Cimb n Petchem comprise 46% of the index. It's not hard to replicate the klci performance if u hold just some of these large caps without having to pay any fee at all. Esp true for institutional investors.

The other biggest problem is that the ETF is too small. AUM is only abt RM2. 7m. As a result MER is a high of 1.14%, which is close to an active fund, impacting tracking performance. In 2018, KLCI was down 2.98%, but the ETF was down 4.44%. This is the result of high MER n poor market making.

This also mean the manager, Aminvest, is not making money which means they don't care about it. So u can see the poor market making.

So, I will avoid this ETF by Aminvest.

However, I do hold their 0800EA Abfmy ETF for access to Malaysian MGS. That's RM1. 7 billion AUM, 0.1% management fee n MER of 0.17%. Reasonable. I also hold the Affin Gold n China etfs.

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post Oct 14 2019, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 13 2019, 08:13 PM)
Other than the high fee.. The one problem I think is the KLCI index itself. Just a few large caps dominate the index. The top 4 companies: Public bank, Tenaga, Maybank, Cimb n Petchem comprise 46% of the index. It's not hard to replicate the klci performance if u hold just some of these large caps without having to pay any fee at all. Esp true for institutional investors.

The other biggest problem is that the ETF is too small. AUM is only abt RM2. 7m. As a result MER is a high of 1.14%, which is close to an active fund, impacting tracking performance. In 2018, KLCI was down 2.98%, but the ETF was down 4.44%. This is the result of high MER n poor market making.

This also mean the manager, Aminvest, is not making money which means they don't care about it. So u can see the poor market making.

So, I will avoid this ETF by Aminvest.

However, I do hold their 0800EA Abfmy ETF for access to Malaysian MGS. That's RM1. 7 billion AUM, 0.1% management fee n MER of 0.17%. Reasonable. I also hold the Affin Gold n China etfs.
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Thanks for your input.

So local bond ETF is available. But not local stock market ETF then..

How do u work out the top 4 holding to be 46%?

Just curious, how is your ROI so far on China ETF.?

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post Oct 14 2019, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Oct 14 2019, 04:01 PM)
Thanks for your input.

So local bond ETF is available.  But not local stock market ETF then..

How do u work out the top 4 holding to be 46%?

Just curious, how is your ROI so far on China ETF.?
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Checkout the FBMKLCI index factsheet

https://www.ftserussell.com/products/indices/bursa-malaysia

On the China etf, I'm currently flat with just 1+% return. The ETF was only launched early this year., so I only started buying this year and continue to do so even with the trade war thing. The good thing abt this etf is that it has the China companies listed in US and in HK combined. So u get Baba n Tencent in one name.

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post Oct 15 2019, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 14 2019, 05:27 PM)
Checkout the FBMKLCI index factsheet

https://www.ftserussell.com/products/indices/bursa-malaysia

On the China etf, I'm currently flat with just 1+% return. The ETF was only launched early this year., so I only started buying this year and continue to do so even with the trade war thing. The good thing abt this etf is that it has the China companies listed in US and in HK combined. So u get Baba n Tencent in one name.
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Thanks for sharing..

I only know the index composition or fund value from Ambank ETF..
https://www.ambankgroup.com/sites/fbmklciet...M30ETFdaily.pdf

Good to know how the index are compose of..
Will find out more on China ETF.. Baba and tencent are good companies
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