Jun 30 2019, 04:15 PM
QUOTE(dylan_chng @ Jun 29 2019, 11:19 PM)
While the Axia is newer, newer does not mean better. In fact, in some ways the Axia is worse than the Kelisa. Do note that the Axia replaced the Viva and the Viva replaced the Kelisa.
I’ll start going through a list that’s in no particular order in ways that the Axia is worse than the Kelisa.
1 - Roof linear
The roof linear in the Kelisa is easier to clean and the feel is better.
It is because the old smooth vinyl material is replaced by new recycled plastics material that has more textured finish that could trap dirt.
2 - Boot lid release and fuel filler cap release
It’s all about the position. Since both cars don’t have exterior boot release, it makes more sense for the boot release and the fuel filler cap to be in between the two front seats opposed to by the right side of the driver seat. A smarter lever position allows for other passengers to easier access the boot.
*facelift axia has exterior boot release but not pre-facelift model.
The design is very much dictated by space. Having either level in the middle would rob hand brake release space. Also space between seats are so tight that you have to dig in deep to reach the levers is very not ergonomic if aesthetics is what you are after.
3 - Gauges
While the facelift Kelisa gauge cluster graphics in my own opinion aren’t are as great as the pre-facelift Kelisa or the Axia, at least the gauge cluster can be viewed from the back seat and for those who must have a temperature gauge, there’s one in the Kelisa and not one in the Axia.
You are comparing an old 1980s side illuminated to a 1990s back illuminated meter cluster. How about the new gen fully LCD ones? Both old ones are far inferior to this. You can change the meter look and even change the type of info you want prioritized.
4 - Air conditioning controls
Simply put the controls are easier to operate in the Kelisa. My fingers can more easily grip the knobs in the Kelisa compared to the knobs in the Axia where I do have issues gripping the knob. Though illumination is better in the Axia.
This is only minor issue by comparing recessed dial vs protruding knob. Bot are able to be operated by your hand and both are still able to provide feedback that even a blind person can operate it. The same cannot be said about digital touch panel type.
5 - Boot
The Axia’s boot may be larger but there's a load lip. Something that is not present in the Kelisa.
This is due to crash safety regulations. Having a flat piece of metal underfloor means it can be folded easily without much resistance. Curling the end of the floor up and raising it now increases structural strength.
6 - Horn
To sound the horn, there’s dedicated buttons in the Kelisa which is easier to locate while it is relatively hard to locate, especially for new drivers in the Axia.
This is more of a cost issue rather than an ergonomic one. Having 1 horn switch in the Axia is cheaper than having 2 independent horn switches.
7 - Glove box
The glove box is not only larger in the Kelisa, it is also better shaped. The Axia glove box is shaped with an arch to flow with the dashboard design which allows me to hit my right knee on the right corner to easily. A problem I don’t face in a Kelisa. Though I don't like how the glove box includes supprt for the owners manual in the Kelisa.
This is also because of safety. There are no passenger air bags in Malaysia Kelisa from what i know of. So the would be loads more space in the glove compartment. Also having a not raised dash console means that in an event of crash, the passenger head would have more time to stop based on body resistance and seat belt restraint in action.
8 - Rear headrest
Both cars rear headrest are completely useless for me and in both cars. My head is left unsupported. However the headrest in the Axia protrude out and contributes to the Axia uncomfortable characteristics. In the Kelisa, the headrest does not get in the way.
This is because of whiplash injury. If the headrest is too far back, the head would carry too much momentum after retraction from front motion. So the Axia headrest is more effective than Kelisa one. Even though it feels uncomfortable.
9 - Dashboard layout
The Axia dashboard starting from the top has two large aircon vents flowing to a double din headunit, a small compartment by the 12v socket, then a void of nothing and two cup holders. In the Kelisa, the air con vents are not ridiculously large followed by more usable air con controls, a single din radio, a small compartment by a dedicated clock, two cup holders and another compartments. On a side note, underneath the handbrake in the Axia is a near useless space while the Kelisa is better as there’s no dedicated space.
You should check out how wide the door panel is to the door inner card on both cars. Every inch of gap gained by the car means a longer time an impact takes to reach you. That translates also to a longer time the metal structure fails and the breach occurs.
10 - Less dull, brighter cabin
The rear door cards in the Axia are like 3/10 window, 7/10 black plastic door card. Even in Axia models with fabric inserts, the fabric inserts are black. In contrast, the Kelisa rear door card is ½ window, ½ door card which is like 20% black and 80% light color fabric. The fabric can get stained but with the fact of larger window, the cabin feels more brighter.
The color choice is actually based from preferable practical choice. Dark colors are almost maintenance free. Light colors gives it a bit of spacious feeling.
11 - Floor
While seating in the rear seats, the Axia has more space but interestingly has a hump in the floor which makes stretching my legs unnecessary uncomfortable. A problem that does not exist in the Kelisa.
While people believe the hump is for exhaust or 4WD, it is actually more structural than as a variant. Crease of any kind gives metal added strength. It also reduces panel vibration that causes chassis noise. Just look at doors. For example the Proton Iriz door. There is this ugly triangle at the bottom between 2 doors. Its not necessary to be there. But it does because it reduces panel vibration. The old method was to stick plastic bits outside as vibration dampeners.
Lastly, I want to mention ways that no improvements have taken place. In both cars, there’s a noticeable delay in the rear sensors, the rear seat headrests are useless for me, the parcel shelf is finished in a stupid material, there’s no exterior boot release and there’s no ABS.
*ABS is only available on selected Axia models
Thank you for reading.
This post has been edited by netmatrix: Jun 30 2019, 04:23 PMI’ll start going through a list that’s in no particular order in ways that the Axia is worse than the Kelisa.
1 - Roof linear
The roof linear in the Kelisa is easier to clean and the feel is better.
It is because the old smooth vinyl material is replaced by new recycled plastics material that has more textured finish that could trap dirt.
2 - Boot lid release and fuel filler cap release
It’s all about the position. Since both cars don’t have exterior boot release, it makes more sense for the boot release and the fuel filler cap to be in between the two front seats opposed to by the right side of the driver seat. A smarter lever position allows for other passengers to easier access the boot.
*facelift axia has exterior boot release but not pre-facelift model.
The design is very much dictated by space. Having either level in the middle would rob hand brake release space. Also space between seats are so tight that you have to dig in deep to reach the levers is very not ergonomic if aesthetics is what you are after.
3 - Gauges
While the facelift Kelisa gauge cluster graphics in my own opinion aren’t are as great as the pre-facelift Kelisa or the Axia, at least the gauge cluster can be viewed from the back seat and for those who must have a temperature gauge, there’s one in the Kelisa and not one in the Axia.
You are comparing an old 1980s side illuminated to a 1990s back illuminated meter cluster. How about the new gen fully LCD ones? Both old ones are far inferior to this. You can change the meter look and even change the type of info you want prioritized.
4 - Air conditioning controls
Simply put the controls are easier to operate in the Kelisa. My fingers can more easily grip the knobs in the Kelisa compared to the knobs in the Axia where I do have issues gripping the knob. Though illumination is better in the Axia.
This is only minor issue by comparing recessed dial vs protruding knob. Bot are able to be operated by your hand and both are still able to provide feedback that even a blind person can operate it. The same cannot be said about digital touch panel type.
5 - Boot
The Axia’s boot may be larger but there's a load lip. Something that is not present in the Kelisa.
This is due to crash safety regulations. Having a flat piece of metal underfloor means it can be folded easily without much resistance. Curling the end of the floor up and raising it now increases structural strength.
6 - Horn
To sound the horn, there’s dedicated buttons in the Kelisa which is easier to locate while it is relatively hard to locate, especially for new drivers in the Axia.
This is more of a cost issue rather than an ergonomic one. Having 1 horn switch in the Axia is cheaper than having 2 independent horn switches.
7 - Glove box
The glove box is not only larger in the Kelisa, it is also better shaped. The Axia glove box is shaped with an arch to flow with the dashboard design which allows me to hit my right knee on the right corner to easily. A problem I don’t face in a Kelisa. Though I don't like how the glove box includes supprt for the owners manual in the Kelisa.
This is also because of safety. There are no passenger air bags in Malaysia Kelisa from what i know of. So the would be loads more space in the glove compartment. Also having a not raised dash console means that in an event of crash, the passenger head would have more time to stop based on body resistance and seat belt restraint in action.
8 - Rear headrest
Both cars rear headrest are completely useless for me and in both cars. My head is left unsupported. However the headrest in the Axia protrude out and contributes to the Axia uncomfortable characteristics. In the Kelisa, the headrest does not get in the way.
This is because of whiplash injury. If the headrest is too far back, the head would carry too much momentum after retraction from front motion. So the Axia headrest is more effective than Kelisa one. Even though it feels uncomfortable.
9 - Dashboard layout
The Axia dashboard starting from the top has two large aircon vents flowing to a double din headunit, a small compartment by the 12v socket, then a void of nothing and two cup holders. In the Kelisa, the air con vents are not ridiculously large followed by more usable air con controls, a single din radio, a small compartment by a dedicated clock, two cup holders and another compartments. On a side note, underneath the handbrake in the Axia is a near useless space while the Kelisa is better as there’s no dedicated space.
You should check out how wide the door panel is to the door inner card on both cars. Every inch of gap gained by the car means a longer time an impact takes to reach you. That translates also to a longer time the metal structure fails and the breach occurs.
10 - Less dull, brighter cabin
The rear door cards in the Axia are like 3/10 window, 7/10 black plastic door card. Even in Axia models with fabric inserts, the fabric inserts are black. In contrast, the Kelisa rear door card is ½ window, ½ door card which is like 20% black and 80% light color fabric. The fabric can get stained but with the fact of larger window, the cabin feels more brighter.
The color choice is actually based from preferable practical choice. Dark colors are almost maintenance free. Light colors gives it a bit of spacious feeling.
11 - Floor
While seating in the rear seats, the Axia has more space but interestingly has a hump in the floor which makes stretching my legs unnecessary uncomfortable. A problem that does not exist in the Kelisa.
While people believe the hump is for exhaust or 4WD, it is actually more structural than as a variant. Crease of any kind gives metal added strength. It also reduces panel vibration that causes chassis noise. Just look at doors. For example the Proton Iriz door. There is this ugly triangle at the bottom between 2 doors. Its not necessary to be there. But it does because it reduces panel vibration. The old method was to stick plastic bits outside as vibration dampeners.
Lastly, I want to mention ways that no improvements have taken place. In both cars, there’s a noticeable delay in the rear sensors, the rear seat headrests are useless for me, the parcel shelf is finished in a stupid material, there’s no exterior boot release and there’s no ABS.
*ABS is only available on selected Axia models
Thank you for reading.
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