Thanks ya

2k is damn cheap.. maybe will go for that, then add quartz as top.

The below 2k that u mention, is already include sink n tap n drawers?

Yes they actually come with a top and sink as well for the below 2k series
- the elcheapo series, sink also elcheapo looking but it will functionally, it will work just fine la.
https://www.ikea.com/my/en/cat/knoxhult-series-36836/

but bear in mind elcheapo series materials will DEFINITELY cut corners lah like material thickness of the cabinet chassis and shelves
- the standard series metod one also configurable to order without worktop. however base price cannot fight the elcheapo series la. u can also get as cheap as 20-30 for the drawer fronts for metod. Fancier door >100 ea.
https://www.ikea.com/my/en/cat/base-cabinet...ht-80-cm-23607/

- the elcheapo one also got preset components like one shelf. or one bottom unit.
https://www.ikea.com/my/en/cat/knoxhult-all-parts-49318/


form vs function

full spec 8ft with lighting (400, can minus off) and fancy 1k sink and upgraded 229 tap and everything drawer on the bottom (except part under sink) is 6.1k+


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Wow thanks for the info. Probably going for the cheapo one cos renting out.. will take a look. Thanks again!

Can share the final product?

Need to renovate the old kitchen. Require plywood carcass with quartz counter top.
How can we differenciate solid surface, quarts top and different % of quartz?

Will need to redo all flooring tiles and some part or the wall tiles. What would be suitable ceramic or porcelain tiles?

Attach drawing plan as I deem Ok.
Sifu, What else do I need to describe to get as close as what I require? Thanks


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I am not a sifu, but I recently did a renovation so I could share some personal experience.

I can't answer your first question since I already decided on Quartz since the beginning, so I've never made any research on solid surface. On % of quartz, if you buy standard one, you most probably wouldn't know. Expensive ones might tell you the %.

Tiles, ceramic is good enough for wall, porcelain is better for floor, but thick ceramic should be fine too if you like the design.

I think you drawing is good enough for KC company to start designing. Maybe you would want to specify base unit height that suits your own height. If you already have in mind how do you want to arrange your tableware, cookware, dinnerware, utensils & etc, maybe you can specify them in your design.

And I would highly recommend Cubix KC if you're into Shaker style cabinet with plywood carcass.

And don't forget to buy a water level and check the straightness of your walls before engaging a KC contractor. I learned that lesson the hard way.

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I think you need to have wider gap between your sink area and hob area to facilitate the movement to the door. From the diagram it looks small. Do not max counter space and sacrifice movement (or risk injury knocking against the counter).

As far as counter surfaces people nowadays don’t usually go for solid surfaces unless you want cheap. Solid surface is not as “hard” and it will sustain scratches. When you are talking about quartz, you are talking about quartz composite? Quartz composite can have quartz content from 65% to 95% (or higher). Lower quality cheap China imports may have lower quartz content and hence less durable. But quartz content is one factor, the other factors are the bonding resin and if anti bacterial materials is incorporated. You are not going to get much info on how good the bonding resin other than it is reflected in the price. Products such as Silestone or Caesarstone are two examples of high quality brands with published specs.

Not many people use natural stones such as marbles, quartz, etc. as counter surface. They are natural stones and hence more beautiful but maintenance is a bitch. But that’s an option.

As far as floor tiles are concerned, technical porcelain is the type you should use for kitchen floor. Ceramic tiles are just not good enough for high traffic/high use area such as kitchen. Wall tiles you can choose any type or design that you like but not floor tiles.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Did scroll thru Cubic page, it seems they are using melamine carcass as describe on their products. Did you engage their service using plywood carcass?

As for the level of the wall, will be changing the floor & wall tiles and be engaging their services together with KC. Hopefully will get an experience tiler.

Thanks for your input. For the gap between two countertops, it will be slightly smaller, maybe like ~18". Anyway will not be accessing much, so don't mind to sacrifice a little.

The problem with china quartz (cheap), better quartz (moderate) and high end quartz (expensive) what will the problem(s) in the next 10 years?
Miss out on the promo of Silestone. Are you using it?

What is "technical" porcelain? Noob

Lol. I can be the spokesperson for Silestone. Both my houses are using Silestone for wet and dry kitchen and laundry area. 😁

Cheap China quartz will have lower quartz content and thus will likely more susceptible to stains and scratches. I have not seen any scratch on my Silestone despite years of usage. High quality countertop you can prepare food directly on the surface (if you desire) due to well sealed surface and anti bacterial properties.

Another option is 2x2 or 2x4 porcelain tiles as counter materials. They are much cheaper if you don’t mind grout lines between tiles. Porcelain tiles are super tough too.

As per technical porcelain tiles. These are the “best” porcelain tiles in terms of temperature, moisture, stain, chemical resistance, impact tolerance. They are more dense and thus are very tough. You should use them in high traffic and or high moisture areas. Of course they are more expensive too!

Hi sifus, i’m planning to have melamine and quartz kitchen cabinet. But i have issues with my own design. I can’t seem to finalize on the location of my washed dishes - either buy double bowl sink OR have open shelf (seems messy to me). Is there any other design u could suggest to me? Tq

Not sure if you get the right page, but it is Cubix that I mentioned and not Cubic. Probably two different companies. I use plywood carcass and nyatoh door for my KC.

18" gap is small. 3' is the bare minimum. And I noticed that your hob carcass is huge. What is the size of the hob you're planning to use? The carcass for my 5 burner hob is only 900mm. Maybe you can reduce the size the to increase the access path. And also what is your sink length? Maybe can reduce few inches on that too. Where do you plan to put your washing machine? If the washing machine needs to pass your KC, lifting them to pass the access gap might be a problem especially if it is the heavier front load washing machine.

Wanted silestone for my countertop but no budget

But i can change them later in the future right?

I had the same dilemma as you. I hate the look of dish drainer. So I opted to use one of the double bowl sink to as drainer + small countertop dish drainer which I could keep inside the cabinet after using them. It is a hassle to take them out and put back into the cabinet and I have to rajin wipe the dishes after "draining" them. Something that I have to sacrifice for the sake of clean looks.

My thought as well and i have limited countertop area, so need to make sure it is not messy all the time. But i’m not that rajin to wipe the dishes 😅 bcoz of this i haven’t bought any sink yet 🤣

Ohhh. Silestone user. Definitely good but pricing 😅.

Learn new things everyday on this technical porcelain tiles You are using it I presumed. Good idea you have there on the usage of technical porcelain tiles on countertops.

Have thought of using tiles but afraid of not as lasting on the everyday usage like chemical and stain, but with this better technical porcelain tiles it will definitely more durable.

If I may ask on the indicative price of technical porcelain tiles as I might use it on the flooring and possibly the countertops (see if the sizes suitable,may need 48"L)

Auto correction error. Yeah Cubix in Sg. Buloh, right? View their Insta.
Appreciate your input on the ~18" gap. Will try to adjust if it possible.
Currently using the old Electrolux hob 19-3/4" × 35-1/2" with 3 burners. Need to survey on hobs too.😅 Budgeting again.

As for washing machine, that will not be much of a problem Can be relocate if not then is a problem when is broken down only. Thouch wood 😆

Not advisable especially if you are using wood or melamine carcass. Ripping another quartz surface off the counter will likely damage the carcass.

One option is to go with any wood or melamine surface and replace it later with Silestone or similar when you have the budget. But normally people will just decide to go with cheaper China quartz and live with that. You just have to be more careful to prevent mild acid or super hot pots directly on the surface.

Go and look at some new porcelain tile designs. Some look like marble with beautiful grains! That’s for countertop. If u need only 48”. They have now 2x4 size which is perfect for you.

For kitchen floors, try to go for easy maintenance gray or dark gray colors. A Niro 2x2 when I bought it last year was about RM21.5 per piece for my backyard of 300 plus sqft. Niro technical porcelain is one of the best. MML is good too but expensive. Guocera, White Horse others depending on the product ranges.

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Appreciate your input. Will look around for a suitable tiles. 😁