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simplesmile
post May 17 2009, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(asambuffett @ May 17 2009, 12:34 PM)
reading the article & related...maybe  TA Global will just b a property company..something the like of Glomac Mah Sing etc...


Added on May 17, 2009, 2:51 pmthe properties that PKNS would like to inject into the Mysterious REIT are

1)Wisma PKNS ( offices )
http://www.streetdirectory.net.my/malaysia.../travel_site_1/

2)Kompleks PKNS (offices + retails)
http://pknsshahalam.com/index.html

3) Shah Alam City Centre mall (mall)
http://www.saccmall.com.my/

4) Shah Alam convention centre (convention center)
accross the Shah Alam city center
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Sigh... if inject into Axreit, then hopefully is injected at a very low price.
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post May 23 2009, 07:56 PM

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http://www.axis-reit.com.my/section.cfm?id=25

Is there a single pdf file to download for "annual report 2008" rather than download 12 separate links?
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post May 23 2009, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(ks3114 @ May 23 2009, 08:21 PM)
Go to www.klse.com.my, under Listed Companies theres a section for Annual Reports on the left. You can find it from there.
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But the report at KLSE doesn't have all those photos, and not so detailed. Isn't there a single file that combines all the 12 separate pdf files?
http://www.axis-reit.com.my/section.cfm?id=25
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post May 23 2009, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 23 2009, 09:33 PM)
It is under KLSE "Annual Reports" and NOT "Announcements". You can find it at http://www.bursamalaysia.com/website/bm/li...ports/index.jsp.
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Hahahaha, thank you very much. Just downloaded. Never knew KLSE has Annual Reports section.
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post Jun 1 2009, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 1 2009, 10:27 AM)
Yup, revaluation on properties needs to be done every 3 years, as properties price are creeping since 3 years ago, so almost every reit that undergone revaluation has some paper gain across.

You have to look at the operation earning. Don't look at pre-tax or net profit figure as it has been distorted by the paper gain.

As reit as giving out at least 90% of the earning, watching the DPU won't get wrong then.
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If the revaluation results in paper gain, then how do they distribute the earnings? Is the distribution by cash, or they give you additional units? How's the DPU calculated?

Operation earnings: 40
Revaluation earnings: 60
Net earnings: 100

Distribution 90%: 90

Since the 60 paper gain is non-cash gain, where is the REIT going to find the cash to distibute? (PS: I'm looking at this like I'm seeing how companies distribute dividends.)
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post Jun 1 2009, 08:05 PM

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Thanks for explanation.
Now I can ignore P/E ratio and EPS when looking at REITs.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 1 2009, 03:05 PM)
90% is referring to operation earning, not including the revaluation profit.

The tax law stated they must distribute 90% of the operation earning.

All distribution is cash.

If operation earning is 40 then they at least will give 36.

People look for operation earning only in reit assessment, that's why don't look at the surface pre-tax profit.
DPU is the ultimate figure. Generaly Operation EPS x (90~99%) = DPU.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 1 2009, 08:02 PM)
simplesmile,

Easier way to look at it is to look at the two types of earnings they get:-
- Realised income (income received from rental or capital gain)
- Unrealised income (paper gain through revaluation of properties)

Meaning to say that the 90% is based on the realised income. Note that the net income comes from both realised and unrealised incomes.
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post Jun 18 2009, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jun 18 2009, 04:40 PM)
i bought !@1.48 liow..

if market goes down to 1050 point. time for some high beta stock.. nibble and nibble..

if goes down to 1000 point, time to bite!!!!
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Thanks for the tip. Will save my bullet until it reaches 1,000 points. I'm now 1/2 cash, 1/2 stock.
I sold my AXREIT today @ 1.50, may buy back again tomorrow... if it goes below 1.47

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post Jun 27 2009, 05:38 PM

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I've been thinking... if REITs can pay out a high portion of their earnings, then why can't KLCCP also do the same? KLCCP dividend's yield is so pathetic. Does any1 know why?
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Any door gifts for attending?
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post Aug 29 2009, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 28 2009, 10:08 AM)
In public listed company, if company management doesn't rip off and treat minority shareholders as fair as possible, it is considered good and sincere.

Again as I mentioned many many time already, minority shareholders have little protection in a sdn bhd, or bhd (public listed).

That's why I always like company distribute its certain high % of profit as dividend, because as minority shareholders, one of the way for actual return is through profit ->dividend and it is one of indicator that company treat shareholders fairly (got some exceptional case like if dividend given not from profit made but borrowing).
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mmmm, how high is high? more than 50%? 75%? What's your rule of thumb?
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post Oct 14 2009, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Vinct @ Oct 13 2009, 07:14 PM)
Cherroy,
Since REIT dividend is not claimable, say if a person is under tax bracket of 19%, if he go and report the REIT dividend as a source of income, then he will need to pay additional 9%, since REIT only tax at 10%, is this correct?  rclxub.gif
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Is this correct? Can someone shed some light?
If my personal tax bracket is 19%, then when I submit my income tax returns in April 2010, do I have to pay another 9% income tax?
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QUOTE(ks3114 @ Oct 14 2009, 10:24 PM)
I pretty sure you don't. The tax for reits is lower to attract ppl to invest in it. If im not mistaken, REITs in sg tax even lower.
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So, does this mean that my REIT dividend after the witholding tax is become a "tax exempt income"? Just like those single tier dividend from companies?
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post Oct 14 2009, 11:12 PM

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Can anyone share any articles of REIT dividend income and personal income tax?


Added on October 14, 2009, 11:15 pm
QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 14 2009, 11:08 PM)
Reit does partly follow market sentiment, after all everything (in short term) follow general market sentiment, even rubbish stocks also can go up in a bullish market.  biggrin.gif

But for local reit, due to low liquidity, a lot of time, it tends not to follow market sentiment. As reit still limited to some investors interest only, particularly from fund managers that look for fixed income investment like insurance funds, while only little retailers are participating in it.

Reit fall spectacularly during the crash (in fact everything fall drastically back then) especially in US and UK, because of property market bubble burst, while they are highly geared than what local reit is, and some unable to refinance the borrowing due, which need to fire-sale their portfolio properties at the wrong time so it is not without fundamental change. For local, with serious recession threat, it means future rental or tenant lease renewal could be problematic (that's why local reit also failling quite a lot), Atrium is the classic example whereby DPU falling sharply due to tenant moving out, so fundamental does change.
But right now with recovery and improvement all across, so does prospect of reit.

Axreit is under private placement (50 million shares) just month ago which pare down the borrowing.

Interest going up or not, reit company is not paying back all the money they borrow one (they don't have the money to pay for, as 90% of income is always distributed to the shareholders already). Always refinancing and roll over the loan when due, except through private placement to raise cash or sell the portfolio properties, only they can able to repay the all borrowing 

Yes, interest rate goes up does hurt the attractiveness of reit, while mean more interest expenses incurred.

But if interest rate goes up, it means economy is doing well, so generally properties market also in good shape and potential better property value appreciation as well as better negotiation price for the rental.
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What do REITs do with the balance 10% net earnings? Put in FD?

This post has been edited by simplesmile: Oct 14 2009, 11:15 PM
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post Oct 21 2009, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Oct 20 2009, 11:26 PM)
Glancing at the report seems to indicate that most of the arrows are pointing upwards. NAV also has been revised downwards, though still below the market price.  AXREIT seems to be the only M-REIT displaying this attribute.
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Is there a typo? NAV revised DOWNWARDS? Shouldn't upwards be better? Why revise downwards when it's still below the market price?

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post Oct 23 2009, 06:39 PM

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* Tax of 5% to be imposed on gains from the disposal of real property from Jan 1, 2010.
Any effect on REITs?
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post Oct 24 2009, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Oct 24 2009, 08:10 AM)
Is yearly revaluation of property asset = property gains?
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Revaluation of property = Unrealised gain
The RPGT is based on only Realised gain.

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