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ooyah98
post Oct 15 2008, 02:33 PM

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Hi all the guru here,
May I know whether AXIS REIT buy the properties using shareholder's money or take loan from bank? does it have any debt? in net cash or debt position?

Also, the NAV is higher than share price may be because ppl apply a discount expecting economic downturn (lower tenant occupancy & lower rental), oversupply of office space in KL (many due to complete soon).

Much appreciate ur comments. thanks!

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post Oct 16 2008, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 15 2008, 02:49 PM)
Axis reit gearing should be about 20-30% after taking account of the completion of newly issued private placement.

Reit won't have net high cash nor net high debt position. As reit has to distribute 90% of its income to the reit holders, so not less than 90% cash generated from the income has been distributed yearly. While gearing can't more than 50% as set by SC on reit guidelines.
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Hi Cherroy,
Thanks for response. I checked their Q2 08 result & noticed interest expenses double from 1.1million (Q2 '07) to 1.9million.
In terms of % to total trust income (1.1m/8.7m vs 1.9/13.2m), its an increase of approx 11% to 14%.
While current interest rate is low (gov to maintain liquidity of credit), can't rule out an interest hike during -ve growth of economic (when current global financial crisis effect actually been felt in Malaysia).
However, based on above numbers, seems AXREIT is in good shape to withstand interest hike or drop in rentals.

2007 DPS is at 13.6sen, even if I slash it drastically by half at 6.8sen, the yield is still 4.5%. ~ at RM1.49 price this morning.

I am being very conservative in valuation here & this stock seems worth a buy.
Can't understand why the stock is on free fall recently... perhaps I missed out something? Feel free to add or comment. thanks



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post Jan 30 2009, 01:21 PM

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HI all, Gong Xi Fatt Chai!

I m interested in Atrium after their recent announcement of DPU 2.15cents.
Tried google around but there are no related news in 2008 at all!

Question 1:
There was news in 2007 about plan of new acquisition of Senai plant (Flexitronics), does the deal still ongoing or been cancel?
Flexitronics (electronics manufacturing) badly hit with current economic downturn, so I suspect the deal will went down the drain.

Question 2:
Noticed main income of Atrium is from rental -Shah Alam 1 (Exel Logistics) & Shah Alam II (CEVA Logistics). THese companies seems like 3rd party outsourcing of MNC DHL & TNT.
Wonder how strong the fundamental is these Exel & CEVA companies, will they able to continue honour their rental contract?!
~consider logistics biz will be badly affected in current worl economic crisis ....

Much appreciate your sharing to shed some lights here, please. Thanks!
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post Jan 31 2009, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 30 2009, 02:56 PM)
Q1.
Acquisition has been cancelled, in fact, none is on the list of acquisition currently, if not mistaken

Q2.
Those are reputable company, as long as they don't 'close shop', most still high probably will honour the contract.
Yes, your concern is also the market concern, in reit, the risk primary is on lease renenewal ability by the tenants, consider that logistics is one of badly hit in economy recession.

That's why reit or specifically reit across the world are trading at significant discount in anticipation of lesser tenants, lesser rental rate and properties price under pressure.

The distinct disadvantage of Atrium compared to others, is lesser liquidity, lesser diversify and size is too small for fund managers liking.
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Cherroy,
Many thanks. You have my respect not just the in depth knowledge in REIT but the willingness to share openly with others. thumbup.gif

For Q2, May I know what made you commented those are reputable company (Exel, CEVA)?
~ since those are not listed company, I just don't know how to get a little more info (finanicial health, historical profitability & etc) about the companies.


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post Feb 2 2009, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 1 2009, 10:17 AM)
They are long enough in this industry, if not mistaken. Ceva, I don't know, but Exel is dealing with logistic business already for sometime already.

There is no way or difficult to get those financial report if they are not listed. They have no obligation to let Atrium management know their financial health as long as they honour the lease contract signed.

Logistic company shouldn't be too bad (it will be bad as well, none industry will escape the economy recession effect) compared to other industry. In time like this, low overhead cost industry should be more resilience compared to those need high overhead cost to run one like steel industry or electronic company.

But my opinion, risk of Atrium is higher than Axreit, due to lesser diversfication. Atrium is more like logistic warehouse play which solely depended on 2-3 company tenants while Axreit is more spread across.
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Fair comment, Atrium is higher risk & less fund manager interest, should be the reason why the price haven't shot up like AXIS.
However, considering the followings
(i) Atrium (RM0.68) discount to NAV at 36% vs AXIS (RM1.40) at 20%!
(ii) Gearing (debt/equity) Atrium at 22% vs AXIS at 51%
(iii) Higher div of Atrium.

In the worst case, tenant run away & Atrium can't pay div. Gearing is low, so Atrium should be able to pay the interest of the borrowings to bank with BLR coming down.
I think they still have money in bank collected from IPO & also not used since recent acquisition plan doesn't go through.
Base on (i), good upside potential when economic become better.

I think I will start collecting some tomorrow market open .... nod.gif

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post Feb 9 2009, 11:30 AM

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KUALA LUMPUR: Hektar Real Estate Investment Trust’s net profit dipped 25% to RM60.35 million for the year ended Dec 31, 2008 (FY08) from RM80.52 million in FY07 but the previous year’s figures were for 13 months from December 2006 to December 2007.
Source: http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...6866d0-7be4e417

Hi,
Refer above latest result on HEKTAR, anyone knows what contributed to the 25% drop in net profit? Is it due to higher borrowing/interest cost?

However on an annualised basis FY08 DPU (10.2sen) still surpassed that of FY07 by 3.2%.

This puzzled me, how could DPU still perform slightly better when HEKTAR net profit actually drop?!
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post Feb 21 2009, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(uncletat @ Feb 16 2009, 09:10 PM)
Malaysia properties will not effected by credit  crisis? Or still havent see the effect yet?
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FYI - [RHB research report 20-02-09] Tower REIT, Higher occupancy risk in the near term since its anchor tenant, HLA Bhd will
move out about 90% of its operations from the building by May 09 under a relocation exercise. As a result, Menara HLA’s occupancy rate could reduce from
89% (Dec 08) to 75-80% (in June 09) and Menara HLA gross rental income could potentially drop by about 20%.

About 39% of Tower REIT’s gross rental income is derived from insurance & finance related industry, 9% from oil & gas industry, 22%
from information technology industry whilst the remaining is from property, manufacturing and service industries.
i.e. Its tenants are from the worst hit industries in current crisis.

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Tower REIT P/NTA at 60% is the lowest among local REITs. Gearing is low at 0.2.
However I hesitate to buy due to above bad news/concern.

All,
What is your take? buy now or wait .....
Will apprecaite your comments. Thanks.

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post Feb 23 2009, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 22 2009, 07:19 AM)
The problem of comparison is FD rate is super low now.

Even for most reit, even their income dropped or lesser DPU by 20-30%, their DPU and yield still more than 2x or some 3x FD rate. So it is hard to make a conclusive judgement that their price can drop further.

Most reit price has been trading at discount for some reason, some negative factor has been priced in already. 

Reit always or should always sensitive to FD rate and properties sector situation.

Not mean to recommend anything. Buy or sell at your own risk.
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Cherroy,
Thanks for comment.
I am aware & agreed with your point that REIT DPU still much better than FD.
That's why I have been following this thread and buying small qty. I started with AXIS, Hektar then Atrium.

I though next I want to buy some Tower units but now re-considering it after the news on HLA withdrawal.
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post Mar 4 2009, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 4 2009, 10:54 AM)
Their annual report, got stated whom and when of their tenants details (not necessary all if too many, they listed out the major one).
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Here's another useful link forcus on REIT; with a collection of related info. http://mreit.blogspot.com/


Added on March 4, 2009, 11:31 am
QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 1 2009, 03:24 PM)
Atrium yield will be dropping in the coming Q due to Ceva (its tenant) has ceased leasing one of its warehouse. Company need to find the new tenant in order to maintain the previous yield/DPU.
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Cherroy,
I can't find the news on Atrium web site [http://www.atriumreit.com.my/news.htm]. Google search also no relevant news avail.

May I know your source of info?
Kindly forward the link or news if possible. Thanks.



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post Jun 10 2009, 11:50 AM

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hi all,
Noticed Tower REIT on a strong up trend since last 2weeks.
Could you kindly share what is motivating the buying?

Early this year they have some risk of getting new tenants since HL group decided to move out of one the building.
Did they manage to secure a new tenant? ~Thanks a lot.

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post Jul 5 2009, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 10 2009, 06:10 PM)
TWRREIR's biggest shareholder is HLG if I am not mistaken. So, if they decided to move out of the building, it should mean that they have secured a new tenant. You could check the archived news from Bursa's website for the information.
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Hi all,
3-July-09, There is an interview with CEO & CFO of GLM and their insights on Tower REIT.
Follow this link --> http://www.horizon.my/2009/07/tower-reit-m...a-prime-office/

"For Menara HLA, Hong Leong Assurance Bhd’s front office will be moving to their newly purchased building in PJ City along the Federal Highway by the end of the year. We have appointed a leading marketing agent to source for a new tenant for us."

Seems Tower REIT still haven't secure new tenant. Their Price/NAV (63%) is the lowest among REIT.
Is it good to collect for long term consider can buy now at big discount to NAV?

Appreciate your comments. Thanks!
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post Sep 2 2009, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 29 2009, 09:45 AM)
Whoa, in the latest entry on the Malaysia REITs blog, TOWER jumped from a yield of about 7% to over 9%. It wasn't on my radar before because of its relatively low yield compared to its peers, but it is now. Anyone here who's into this one?
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I m interested. There recently annouced a sudden jump in net profit & DPU. I wonder what contributed to it & whether is sustainable?
Did some search on web but can't find more info; do you know whether they have a web site, please forward the link? thanks

Hi the Sifu here,
I noticed the forumer here seldom talk abt TOWER despite the fact that the Price to NAV ratio is the lowest among REIT.
what did I missed here, please shed some light?
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post Sep 3 2009, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(protonw @ Sep 2 2009, 10:25 PM)
Thanks. I already following this blog.
Here's Tower REIT Q2 30-June-09 quarter report. http://www.guocoland.com/Documents/GLM-TOW...2009-040809.pdf
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post Sep 4 2009, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 4 2009, 03:21 PM)
Oh, AXREIT goes ex-date today, and still going strong. Up by another 2 cents as of now, giving me a nice total return of 50% in 6 months smile.gif
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Up instead of adjust down on ex-date? Yeah! .. now I start believe it can go pass the RM2 mark.
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post Sep 4 2009, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2009, 04:42 PM)
2.00 seems not attractive to buy anymore unless DPU more than 16-17 cents pa.
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16cents at RM2 still give 8% return. Maybe still a good choice for ppl with low risk appetite? Any better option?
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post Oct 8 2009, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 8 2009, 01:28 PM)
Is anyone a Tower Reits unitholder here ?
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I am interested in Tower REIT but hesitated to buy so far. I recall one of their property, HL Tower(?) key tenant moving out & no confirmed new tenant contract yet. Also, there are reports of new office tower/spaces over supply until 2011.
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post Nov 22 2009, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Nov 21 2009, 06:28 PM)
cherroy,

After reading through the IDS building in Klang, this is what I got:-

Acquisition price: RM72 million
Rental income:
- 1st to 3rd year: RM6 million
- 4th to 6th year: RM6.6 million
- 7th to 9th year: RM7.2 million
- 10th to 15th year: At a rate to be negiotiated

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Going by the 1st year rental rate, the yield would only be 8.3%, which is not attractive at all. The yield only starts to look attractive after the 7th year onwards.
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Attached RHB Invest report.
"Positive on the acquisitions. We are positive on the two acquisitions due
to three key reasons: a) yield-accretive acquisitions. The two properties have
property yield of 8.3% compare to the company’s trading yield of 7.8%; b)
additional rental income. Assuming the acquisition will be completed by May
2010 (for the property in Penang) and Dec 2009 (for the property in Klang),
our FY10-11 EPU will be increased by 9.6-10.7% whilst DDM-based fair value
will increase from RM2.80 to RM3.10 (based on unchanged WACC of 8.2%);
and c) fair pricing. The valuations are supported by an independent valuer
i.e. C H Williams Talhar & Wong S/B."Attached File  Axis_REIT_20091120.pdf ( 80.29k ) Number of downloads: 37

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post Dec 7 2009, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 6 2009, 06:33 PM)
But atrium give me a lot of headache on its tenants renewal. Its more volatile. Put it this way, it will be the first Reits to close shop if there are another financial crisis. Everything happened for a reason, i believe thats the reason why atrium yield is higher compare with other reits. Not because it is undervalued.
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During last tenant crisis, Atirum gave 0.8sens DPU (vs 2.2sen now) for that quarter.
Just take 8x4=3.2sens Yield =3.2/85 = 3.7%. (annual). So if similar story repeat again, maybe Atrium still can declare better than FD return.
Other plus points,
- Gearing is the lowest among REIT at 20%?
- Mngt not likely to screw up another big time in such short time
- actual DPU fall only for 1 quarter; whereas above assume worst case last for a year.


I really tempted to collect some but price go up recently....still undecided
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post Mar 10 2010, 11:47 AM

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Anyone in KL has received HEKTAR dividend cheque?
i.e. 3.1sen DPU, payment date 5-March.

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