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post Sep 3 2008, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Sep 3 2008, 11:59 AM)
as far as i know, starting from 1st Jan 09, our tax will be only 10%, correct boh?
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Yes.

For reit it is advantage for those higher tax bracket one.


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post Sep 3 2008, 04:01 PM

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By Jennifer Chang, Senior Executive Director
Enhancement of tax transparency system

The tax transparency system for REITs was introduced with effect from year of assessment 2006. Under the system, where a REIT distributes income to investors, the REIT need not pay income tax on its taxable income; instead investors will pay the tax on their portion of taxable income received from the REIT, depending on their own marginal rates of tax. This system ensures that investors bear the tax on investment income from REITs. Any undistributed income will continue to be taxed at REIT level.The tax transparency system has been further enhanced in Budget 2007. Where the REITs distribute at least 90% of income to investors, the REITs will be fully exempted. This has two main benefits. Firstly, it encourages REITs to distribute income to investors thereby ensuring higher yields to investors; and secondly, the REITs that distribute 90% or more income need not monitor whether income has been taxed or not, thereby reducing administrative burden.

What is interesting to note is that if a REIT does not distribute at least 90% of its income to investors, the tax transparency system will not apply to the REIT. This will obviously encourage REIT managers to distribute at least 90% of income to investors, thus providing investors more certainty of the yields from their investments in REITs.

Such enhancement to tax transparency is indeed welcome as it is globally in line with the tax system of REITs in most foreign jurisdictions.

Reduction of investors’ tax

The next tax initiative in this area is the reduction of tax on REIT investors. Due to the tax transparency system, investors are taxed based on their own marginal tax brackets. This would mean that distributions received by a high net worth individual would be taxed at a higher tax rate compared with those of a retired individual, while a foreign investor is taxed through a 28% withholding tax mechanism.

Budget 2007 provides tax incentives to entice specific investors to the Malaysian REIT market through the reduction of tax on the investors. It has proposed that distribution received by individuals be subject to a withholding tax of 15% and that received by foreign institutional investors be reduced to 20% from 28% before.
The proposed reduction of withholding tax will be effective from Jan 1, 2007 and will be for five years.

The main beneficiaries of the tax reduction will be foreign institutional investors, foreign individuals as well as other non-corporate local entities. Only higher tax paying Malaysian individuals will benefit from the reduction. This could be in tune with the current investor profile for REITs. Such tax reduction will certainly make REITs an attractive investment choice and enhance the competitiveness of Malaysian REITs globally.

Without doubt, the tax incentives proposed in Budget 2007 would enhance our Malaysian REIT market. Such tax incentives are part and parcel of the aspirations to secure Malaysia as an International Islamic financial centre and will provide viable products for investments in the Malaysian market.

The writer is a senior executive director at PricewaterhouseCoopers Taxation Services Sdn Bhd


It means if you buys a properties out there, and you are getting income from the properties rental, those are classified as you taxable income, so if you tax bracket is 28%, then you have to pay 28% out of the rental net income.
But for reit, you need just to pay the 15% witholding tax only. So compared to 28% you are paying for ordinary properties rental income.

That's why is it said benefit the higher tax bracket people. In fact for lower tax bracket one (less than 15%), it loses out.
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post Sep 11 2008, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 11 2008, 03:51 PM)
Any of you guys attending AXREIT's shareholders' meeting on 24th September at Equatorial Hotel? Maybe we can have a LYN-AXREIT gathering tongue.gif
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LOL, make a reit LYN gathering then, haha. biggrin.gif

Seriously, you are going to attend?
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post Sep 11 2008, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 11 2008, 07:21 PM)
Haha, on second though, my new target has been lowered to 1.58.
Only then it is worth it to average it biggrin.gif
Can do that though. At least we get to attend the meeting and then have our small discussion nearby among ourselves smile.gif
I will attend it as it is FREE, and I get to meet the Board (although not up close la laugh.gif)
Cherroy, I am waiting for you to join so that we can discuss more about our favourites nod.gif
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Not possible for me to attend those AGM, EGM, or seminar, somemore all are in KL. May be already retired time, can.

I work six days a week, even sick also can't take leave one. ohmy.gif

For me, those reit are intended to serve as passive income, just like buying an property then rent it out.
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post Sep 11 2008, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Sep 11 2008, 08:44 PM)
i was out at site today whole day... didnt get any .. gonna queue again tmr at 1.63. smile.gif
a bit wory about the extra 20% share placement diluting the EPS ..
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Previously the 50 millions private placement didn't dilute but improved the EPS through newly acquisition. So just hope this round future will be the same.
Btw, it is good for company to reduce borrowing in current uncertainty environment in financial market.
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post Sep 12 2008, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 12 2008, 06:17 PM)
Aiseh, potong la like that yawn.gif Thought cherroy is so free as to not working one laugh.gif
Sigh, since no one joining, me also don't go lo. Might be going Singapore then.

Actually, if we compare the yield of AXREIT now with last year, the yield is actually lower.
Last year they had 9 properties up to H1, this year they have 17 up to H1.
If we take the yield on their asset for this year and compare with last year, it is lower hmm.gif
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A lot of posting is when I am in the office. Hehe. laugh.gif

Btw, how do you come out the yield is lower?

For individual, yield is term of EPS or distribution is actually higher.
From 9 properties to 17 did increase the amount of profit but so does the share issued become more. But for EPS which matter most is actually improving little. The size of fund become bigger in this case. For individual yield, I had no details information about it.
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post Sep 16 2008, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 16 2008, 08:43 PM)
Well, I don't know how Anwar is going to handle this. A lot of projects under the 9MP might be stopped causing prices of building materials to dip, thus causing fear on property play. This is my assumption though, and I might be wrong smile.gif
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If material price goes up, then resulted in abandoned of new properties project, then it is not a bad news for Reit, as there is lower supply of newer properties to compete with existing properties in term of rental.

It is bad for properties stocks but doesn't necessary bad for Reit.

Reit is not as same as properties stock.

Just my 2 cents.
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post Sep 17 2008, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Sep 17 2008, 04:51 PM)
just wondering, anyone here holding amfirst? any thought s about it?
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I got some, yield is pretty high at the moment (10%)

Downside is heavily depended on AMBank as its major tenants. So there is some conflict of interest between.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 9 2008, 03:02 PM)
pasting at here, too.
no wonder you guys keep accumulating ATRIUM & AXREIT  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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10% yield, after 9 years recoup back all the initial capital, whether market burst, doom, shine, explode, bull run also don't need to worry much as long as the yield is steady throughout period.

With interest rate worldwide going down, those can offer steady consistent high dividend yield one will be more attractive.


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QUOTE(wirelessdude @ Oct 9 2008, 03:52 PM)
Was thinking of having diversified REITs, hence thinking of...
a) Axreit (offices)
b) Al Aqar (hospitals)
c) Hektar (shopping malls)

What do you guys think of (b) and ©?
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(b)
All its properties are come from KPJ.
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post Oct 10 2008, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 10 2008, 11:35 AM)
making a remark

today's lowest

ATRIUM - 0.745
UOAREIT - 1.00
AXREIT - 1.56

p/s: DY 8-9%
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Atrium DPU 8.4 cents
Yield = 8.4/74.5 = 11.3% drool.gif brows.gif

Axreit DPU 15 cents
Yield 15/1.56 = 9.6%

Amfirst DPU 8.8
Yield 8.8/0.83 =10.6

PS: Amfirst is going to distribute semi-annual distribution next month, should be around 4 cents.
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post Oct 10 2008, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 10 2008, 11:46 AM)
cherroy, i tot you wanna get some UOAREITS if it's below $1 drool.gif

i have a question,

REITS dividend usually is TE?
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It has 10% witholding tax, start from next year. Not totally TE.

Yup, still 1.02 today, but suddenly with market plunge, other like Axreit, Amfirst, Atrium, Towerreit become more attractive than UOA. Even Genting at 4.xx.
Gosh, it is somehow like suddenly a dozen of lenglui approaching you, don't know whom to choose from. tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 10 2008, 01:54 PM)
It has 10% witholding tax, start from next year. Not totally TE.

Yup, still 1.02 today, but suddenly with market plunge, other like Axreit, Amfirst, Atrium, Towerreit become more attractive than UOA. Even Genting at 4.xx.
Gosh, it is somehow like suddenly a dozen of lenglui approaching you, don't know whom to choose from. tongue.gif  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 10 2008, 09:40 PM)
LOL! why worry, uncle cherroy has money  brows.gif

TAKE ALL LA ~!!
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You mean the stock or lenglui? brows.gif biggrin.gif
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post Oct 15 2008, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(ooyah98 @ Oct 15 2008, 02:33 PM)
Hi all the guru here,
May I know whether AXIS REIT buy the properties using shareholder's money or take loan from bank? does it have any debt? in net cash or debt position?

Also, the NAV is higher than share price may be because ppl apply a discount expecting economic downturn (lower tenant occupancy & lower rental), oversupply of office space in KL (many due to complete soon).

Much appreciate ur comments. thanks!
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Axis reit gearing should be about 20-30% after taking account of the completion of newly issued private placement.

Reit won't have net high cash nor net high debt position. As reit has to distribute 90% of its income to the reit holders, so not less than 90% cash generated from the income has been distributed yearly. While gearing can't more than 50% as set by SC on reit guidelines.
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post Oct 16 2008, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 16 2008, 07:28 AM)
Then which counter has property involved with Tesco ? hmm.gif
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Qcapital

The one Tesco store in Penang, Jelutong. Others Tesco store ain't.
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post Oct 16 2008, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(ooyah98 @ Oct 16 2008, 10:58 AM)
Hi Cherroy,
Thanks for response. I checked their Q2 08 result & noticed interest expenses double from 1.1million (Q2 '07) to 1.9million.
In terms of % to total trust income (1.1m/8.7m vs 1.9/13.2m), its an increase of approx 11% to 14%. 
While current interest rate is low (gov to maintain liquidity of credit), can't rule out an interest hike during -ve growth of economic (when current global financial crisis effect actually been felt in Malaysia).
However, based on above numbers, seems AXREIT is in good shape to withstand interest hike or drop in rentals.

2007 DPS is at 13.6sen, even if I slash it drastically by half at 6.8sen,  the yield is still 4.5%. ~ at RM1.49 price this morning.

I am being very conservative in valuation here & this stock seems worth a buy.
Can't understand why the stock is on free fall recently... perhaps I missed out something? Feel free to add or comment. thanks
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No, you can rule out interest hike when economy recession time, interest rate will go down. But current global credit crisis is not about interest high or low, it is about liquidity, bank capitalisation issue and confidence problem to lend ie. banks not dare to lend. The worry of this credit crisis is company not able to get loan not interest rate charges. But at least Malaysia banking sector still far from that level at leat for time being and near future. But Banks here surely will tighten up their loan given.

The more concern part of reit in economy recession is lower income from rental, or tenants not renew their lease and property price going down which affect the valuation of the reit property.

All stocks are free fall due to market sentiment which nobody can control about it. People wish to dump their shares for whatever reason, while buyers qoute at low low price, then with eagerness to sell, the price will plunge down.

But if some do plunge down to unrealistic low valuation, then it might be opportrunity as well.

Unless income from rental drops drastically and property price plunge more than 20-30%. Then at current price, its yield still much better than FD rate.
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post Oct 21 2008, 03:06 PM

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Atrium will be giving out 2.1 cents quarter distribution as usual, just announced.

Axreit is 1.43 only and keep on sliding.
Seller being pressured with no buyer Q. rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Oct 27 2008, 12:45 PM)
It is better to accumulate Axis Reit compare to other REITS as it is more aggressive in their expansion even though you can see it's price drops the most % compare to other REITS but i beliv during economy recover it will gain most % compare to other REITS. Besides it dividend yield is not bad either. My fair value will be around RM 1.00 - RM 1.20. You can get dividend during recession and sell off during recover to have capital gain. Kill two birds with one stone.  laugh.gif
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Dividend is the most important during bad time, it serves

1. as return rate on your investment
2. extra cashflow to reloading your 'bullets'
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post Oct 28 2008, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Oct 28 2008, 07:55 AM)
Thanks  notworthy.gif So that means if dividend is 10 sen. After the withholding tax my take back dividend is 9 sen nett. Any others tax ?
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No more, one off, that is.
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post Oct 28 2008, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Oct 28 2008, 10:48 AM)
So the tax is lower compare to we buying other stock which are being taxed 26%  rclxms.gif
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Yes, that's also one of the attraction of Reit especially now 2008 with single tier dividend whereby no claim back anymore.

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