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tsohtan
post Feb 8 2009, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(fernfan @ Feb 7 2009, 07:28 PM)
anyone have idea on the gate door? i felt very troublesome with this gate, cannot make auto gate , somemore with 4 folding!! doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif


Added on February 7, 2009, 7:33 pmagnes-ur longkang hole already tutup by pasir. i have seen someone post up the photo before page around eighty something.
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I guess you said cannot make it auto-gate, is because of the width right?

After have a look on the house, feel little disapointed, and feel like buying a cheap house but actually is not. and about the interior condition, i think the developer using their hand to do measurement, all alignment are not right. vmad.gif
Total defect:28. the seriuos part is the column measurement . vmad.gif


And i not sure we considered get cheated by developer or not, because S&P not mention about the height of the toilet ceiling but showroom 100% is higher and widther...
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post Feb 26 2009, 12:21 AM

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Hi All,

I had collected key and sign the letter.

I checked with my friend (LAWYER), this lawyer tell me, the Late of delivery is counted from the date of VP ISSUED and is NOT CF. so if let say (HOPE NOT GOING TO HAPPEND), the CF is issue by another 2 years, the developer is not need to pay on the late of delivery because it is counted from the date of the VP's letter is issued, even you are not sign, it still will count after 14 days from the VP issued.

I just want to found out from anyone here , it's this true for above statement???

I got some link you can checkout what we can do for the case like this, i had email them still waiting for reply,so may be call them tomorrow .

http://www.hba.org.my/main.htm

Now, i think we need to help ourself, so it is a necessary for us to form a committee to solve our problem.
And this commitee must be have enough support from amansiara resident owner or else no one cares.

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post Feb 26 2009, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(amansiara @ Feb 26 2009, 08:02 AM)
added myself to the list.
PHASE 1

Level 1
1. Nurfarhana : 087-A (phase 1, L1)
2. fernfan : 096-A (phase 1, L1)
3. Shafary : 118-A & 118-B (Phase 1 Level 1 & 2)
4. popshuvit5 : 125-A (Phase 1,L:1)
5. vincentyys : 131-A (Phase I Level 1)
6. kokiegigit : 141-A (Phase 1 Level 1)
7. Bluesky_king : xxx-A (Phase 1 level 1)
8. amansiara : 012-A (Phase 1 Level 1)

Level 2
1. Icekelvin : 088-B (Phase 1 Level 2)
2. Jolisakan : 121-B (Phase 1 Level 2)
3. Re-zal : 123-B (Phase I Level 2)
4. rayman83 : 161-B (Phase 1 Level 2)
5. thoseeyes : xxx-B (Phase 1 level 2)
6. eeda : 160B (Phase 1 level 2)
7. raymond : 067-B (Phase 1 Level 2)

Level 3
1. ricky genius : 009-C (Phase 1 Level 3)
2. kelvinchin : 036-C (Phase I Level 3 )
3. agneslim : 056-C (Phase 1 Level 3)
4. yeems : 059-C (Phase I level 3)
5. nuwaira : 062-C (Phase I Level 3)
6. zba : 147-C (Phase 1 Level 3)
7. wkfvenus : xxx-C (Phase I level 3)

Level 4
1. sarah_ibrahim : 011-D (Phase I Level 4)
2. smile_lyn : 121-D (Phase I Level 4)
3. siewbow : 122-D (Phase I Level 4)
4. sabrina_beh : 123-D (Phase I Level 4)
5. KGK : xxx-D (Phase I Level 4)
6. winkie : xxx-D (Phase I Level 4)
7. winnie4638 : xxx-D (Phase I Level 4)
8. tsohtan:xxx-D(Phase I Level 4)
9. dee_zoul : xxx-D (Phase 1 Level 4)
10. joelleow : xxx-D (Phase 1 Level 4)
11. Adi_azma : 072-D (Phase 1 Level 4)
12. aironiq : 074-D (Phase 1 Level4)

Unknown level
1. clairy : xxx- (Phase I)
2. thoseeyes : xxx- (Phase1)
3. Augustinetan : xxx- (Phase I)

TOTAL : 34

PHASE II

Level 1
1. steventan : 371-A (Phase II Level 1)
2. risya : 401-A (Phase II Level 1)
3. phchou : xxx-A (Phase II Level 1)
4. rainrain : xxx-A (Phase II Level 1)
5. fatin : xxx-A (phase II Level 1)
6. mago orso : xxx-A (Phase II Level 1)
7. alanyuppie : xxx-A (Phase II Level 1)

Level 2
1. fiatdamansara : 288-B (Phase II level 2)
2. ida_emil : 412-B (Phase II level 2)
3. rosevelle : xxx-B (Phase II Level 2)
4. zookahmad : xxx-B (Phase II Level 2)

Level 3
1. phchuo : 304-C (Phase II Level 3)
2. deb : 310-C (Phase II Level 3)
3. bigriverian : 345-C (Phase II Level 3)
4. ubi1kelubi : 347-C (Phase II Level 3)
5. vikki : 378-C (Phase II level 3)
6. you'll nvr wlk alone: 386-C (Phase II level 3)
7. june.mh : xxx-C (Phase II, level 3)
8. evil_nicole : 250-C (phase II, level 3)
9. Jennson : xxx-C (Phase II) level 3)
10. bigriverian : xxx-C (Phase II level 3)
11. MelissaL : xxx-C (Phase II Level 3)
12. jumps : xxx-C (Phase II Level 3)
13. allan_ph2 : xxx-C (Phase II Level 3)

Level 4
1. 345D : 345-D (Phase II Level 4)
2. lalilulelo : 374-D (Phase II Level 4)
3. aphis : 390-D (Phase II Level 4)
4. good_nicole : 250-D (phase II Level 4)5. morisato :xxx-D (Phase II Level 4)
6. awiemaizah : xxx-D (Phase II Level 4)
7. LimauIce : xxx-D (Phase II Level 4)
8. limfookming & Kaysl : 396-D (Phase II Level 4)

UNL
1. ants : xxx- (Phase II)
2. limfookwing : xxx- (Phase II)
3. Hotspring : xxx- (Phase II )
4. Saw : xxx- (Phase II)
5. lamsf : xxx- (Phase II)

= 36

PHASE III

Level 1
1. IZZIFF : 221-A (Phase III Level 1)
2. susakthy : xxx-A (Phase III Level 1)
3. keiichicol : xxx-A (Phase III Level 1)
4. johnsl : xxx-A (Phase III Level 1)

Level 2
1. wadey : 197-B (Phase III Level 2)
2. Wiwiwawah : 233-B (Phase 111 Level2)
3. samhain : xxx-B (Phase III Level 2)
4. damin : xxx-B (Phase III Level 2)
5. ykyloveu : xxx-B (Phase III Level 2)

Level 3
1. citerku : 194-C (Phase III Level 3)
2. PuSSy_CaT : 236-C (Phase III Level 3)
3. kooman : xxx-C (Phase III Level 3)
4. agnes_sly : xxx-C (Phase III Level 3)
Level 4
1. swiss_garden_kl : 232-D (Phase III Level 4)
2. keepitsimpl3 : 236-D (Phase III Level 4)
3. sidviq : xxx-D (Phase III Level 4)
4. fer0 : xxx-D (Phase III Level 4)
5. davidmay : xxx-D (Phase III Level 4)

UNL
1. sunny t_iu : xxx- (Phase III)
2. darren13 : xxx- (Phase III)
3. mog11 : xxx- (Phase III)
4. sagad : xxx- (Phase III)

= 22

TOTAL : 93
OK amansiara, i will go there at 11am,sat(28 Feb 2009) as u mention and discuss about the matters and what we should fight for. and i think the most important thing is are the developer follow the original floor plan to build up the house or not, friend of mine said we can go MPS to get the original submitted floor plan by developer to see whether they follow the plan or not. Me very piss off with the toilet. Is very low ceiling and small, and it is not mention in the S&P, in S&P just mention about the total height of the toilet.

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post Feb 26 2009, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(yeh.babe @ Feb 26 2009, 09:42 AM)
yes, the LAD claim period will be ended from the date of VP. the calculation is as such:

Selling price x 10% x days late/365

days late = if ur spa date is 1/1/06 & ur spa is 36 mths delivery, then the due date for dev to deliver vp is on 31/12/08, if the dev deliver vp on 1/3/09, days late will be 1/1/09 to 1/3/09 = 31(jan)+28(feb)+1(mar)=60 days

as for amansiara, if according to mps they hv not given the green light for borang E submission, then the vp is invalid. even u hv collected ur key, the vp still consider invalid. u still hv the right to claim LAD until the day mps accepted dev borang E.

after mps accepted borang E, meaning mps will sure issue CF within 14 days as this is the regulation from the govt to issue CF within 14 days. so ur friend comment is right but since the mps not accepted dev borang E, u still entitle to claim LAd until the valid vp is delivered to u.
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IS that TRUE!!!!
So if that is true, how should we get evidence that can prove that the Borang E is not accepted to avoid them to pointing each other when come to LAD claim.
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post Feb 26 2009, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Feb 26 2009, 10:04 AM)
Hie ther Nuwaira. I am always here, but a lil sad seeing how out-of-focus we are in issues at hand. We need to categorize and prioritize our problem into:
1)  whose-fault-izzit ?
A) developers fault/inconsiderateness
> 3k refundable deposit  (whereas 1k only on 99.9% of other properties)
> low ceiling in toilet  (not shown in SnP)
> low ceiling/small storeroom (not designed according to SnP)
B) developers built according-to-spec but the outcome-not-satisfying
> narrow road*
> short-porch, narrow porch
- Once, again , I beg you guys who still angry with this, to refer to your own SnP. If you guys have 2 cars, obviously you would check the SnP to see the porch measurement BEFORE signing it and proceed with the purchase of house few years ago. The brochure clearly showed lot size 22x64 to 22x80. NEVER ASSUME they give us the maximum (and happily tell others you got your house at cheaper price that the others!).  Most of our build up is 22x50 excluding porch, hence some get  14 feet porch size. That's the reason they were SOLD AT DIFFERENT pricepoint.
This is important as we don't want the developer to "hit us back" regarding (1B), by using SnP as reference to prove they did no wrong, and proceed NOT to find a "middle ground" to solve the problem (which they can always ignore).

*a 28feet wide road wouldn't be so bad on flat land AND 22 feet wide porch for EACH houseowners . But too bad majority of us got half of that (11 feet only,making 2nd car impossible to be parked outside) .And since all our roads are cerun,  the 6-feet sidewalk is not smooth (sharp edges), making the narrow road even narrower. I understand you guys here. Blame it on the authority that approved such masterplan (I smell some corruption happening here).
Anyway. Can we all just have a nice gathering to break-the-ice this Saturday Noon, before we go into the  site again?
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Hi alanyuppie,

Previously amansiara had suggest to go on Sun (29 Feb 2009) 11.00AM, can stick with one time so no one confuse with the time here.
And i had read wrongly and thought is Sat.

So could we agreee on one time all we can go and meet up there, so if possible bring all related document so that we can compare.
So How about all go on Sun (29 Feb 2009) 11.00AM,?


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post Feb 26 2009, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(nurfarhana @ Feb 26 2009, 01:29 PM)
I'll try to come, please let me know where is it this sunday 11 am. or please call me at 017 3190014. Thanks
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As mention by amansiara, we will meet at the main guard house. at Sunday, 11 am (1 mar 2009).

Please we need to help ourself, don only wait for miracle to happend.
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QUOTE(yeh.babe @ Feb 28 2009, 09:18 AM)
well, if that is true then CF will be hard. just for information, if really cf cannot be obtained, those who has loan, check ur document, there is 1 letter developer send to your bank, called"letter of undertaking", normally developer will send u cc copy, there is one item, "to refund all the money released, in the event that cf cannot be obtained".

check with ur loan lawyer/bank if this really happened, what will be the bank action? will the bank proceed to get refund from dev....if yes, how to do it? how u can help to recover the  $ released, maybe it is a way to recover part of your $ if cf really cannot get.for those govt loan, it called borang 6"akujanji".

hope this info can help u guys.
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Hi Yeh.babe

I had checked the document and yes there is a document called "letter of undertaking" and may be is diffreent lawyer, the letter did not mention to refund if CF is not ready, even it mention, how long is the period to determine the CF and is canot deliver,2 yrs,5,....?

In that case i need to call the loan lawyer as well.

Sigh...., we are the customer and some more we need to chase for everything..


Added on March 1, 2009, 8:29 amHi All,

Apart from what i'm not satisfied with, (toilet, CF, dusbin, defect). i think overall, the area is look nice and feel comfortable when i drive around the area, relax and nice. View is nice!!!.

So may be we should not only look at bad side, we should also look at good side, and compare it, it's really not that bad!!!

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Hi Everyone,

I think is hard to form a committee and ask some volunteer to lead the team. But a least for those who attended yesterday had made a GOOD start, and especially Phase II, III. Thank you for all attendees....

So For this moment, I think we just use the basis (forum) to discuss problem and share infomartion.

So when there is needed a support from all of you (amansiara owner especially phase 1), please support with 100 and 10 %.

I plan to look for answer from all parties one by one, and update you all if have any answer--> (house loan lawyer, S&P lawyer, MPS, HBA)

These are the problem I faced,

Problems
1. Toilet - Low Ceiling, i think is not fulfill the safety requirement at all, because is only about 6 -7 feet, so if after install the light bulb on ceiling, it's almost reach my head. It's VERY DANGEROUS!!!
2. Maintenance Fees - Not even move in,why should we pay and the facilty is not fully ready.
3. Renovation Deposit - Ask for reduction, cause 3K is too high.
4. VP - Not sure able to claim for LAD after sign the letter, since we're heard it's NOT valid VP.
5. Dustbin - Not sure where to place since most of us have a slope surface.


So if anyone have the answer just post here and so who ever want to solve know what to do.

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post Mar 2 2009, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(yeh.babe @ Mar 2 2009, 01:32 PM)
let me give you my opinion:-

1. Toilet - low ceiling, it is very much like my house, only 2 ways you can do it:-
(a) take away the tank & connect your water to direct main pipe
(b) take away the tank & place it somewhere else...eg. your backyard
From what i experienced, the developer will do the option (a), it is easiest to rectify the problem. low ceiling not only ugly, dangerous, later you will find that water pressure will be another problem. no pressure to flow down, as it is to short distance from up to down, so the water is extremely low & small. it is like 'dog pee', so you will have no option but to remove the tank & connect to direct main. now you may not see it, cause you have not tested the water pressure. who is going to responsible for this issue? developer!!

2. & 4. Maintenance fee & VP - all buyer need to pay a justifiable portion of maintenance fee when VP is delivered. the maintenance is calculated from 14 days after vp delivered. it is stated in your spa. the reason why is when vp is delivered, the developer need to take care of the side like cutting grass, rubbish collection(if any), wear & tear of the road, drain etc. but since ppl is not moving in, so in spa only stated "fair & justifiable amount" not the full maintenance amt. how to define 'fair & justifiable'? this you need to check with developer how they come out with the figure. they should have the breakdown for you.

judging from what stated in the forum, some buyer did call the mps to check on the status of Borang E submission & replied by MPS no greenlight is given. then it is for sure the VP is invalid.

what is valid VP? valid VP means the developer submitted the borang E and accepted by authority (MPS).

since amansiara case is not valid VP, eventhough you have signed the acceptance of VP letter, the letter should be deemed null & void as the vp delivered to you is invalid. you still have the right to claim developer LAD.trust me, my case is similar to yours.

How to claim LAD & when to claim?
LAD = selling price x 10% x days late/365, you can proceed to claim LAD by giving official letter to developer stating what is the amt you claim & calculation. if developer not replying your letter, then you proceed to housing tribunal court.
since now you do not know when will be the Borang E submission date, then you will have to wait until the CF issued. once you get your CF, you can go to MPS to request them to issue you a confirmation letter to confirm on the date of their acceptance of borang E. then from there you can proceed to claim the LAd.

item 3 & 5 - this issue you need to talk to developer on the solution. developer will only attend to black & white complaint, so one must come out with the letter & sign by all house owner.

i have a suggestion, go to housing ministry, lodge the complaint, request the ministry to organise a meeting with developer, attended by all the buyers. normally the ministry will act as middle man, they will send out letter to req developer to attend to the meeting in ministry office, then developer has no excuse to push. do not worry, ministry is not like last time, they are willing to help.

cheers.
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Thank you for your kindly suggestion.

Your information is really helpful on what should we do next. Yes, you are right, the first thing we need to do know is prepare a formal letter. OK. May be Wed. i will prepare letter and post to here , see anyone (amansiara owner) got any issue on it. Or anyone had prepared the letter before?

And might need you guys come for 2nd time to sign on the letter, not sure when first.

1. First, We need to deal with developer , since we had not voice our problem formally to developer.
2. If developer can solve and not dragging us and give a reasonable solution then not need to complain up to ministry.

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QUOTE(jumps @ Mar 2 2009, 04:24 PM)
Dear All,

1. Does anyone have a actual measurement of the toilet height. My bro is 6 feet +. And can't imagine someone that need to bath their baby. How to fit in the toilet?

2. I've heard only those who do not use panel contractor need to pay the deposit for renovation. If you are using panel contractor for renovation, we need not worry about the RM 3k deposit. How true is this?
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1. i'm 172 cm. i'm measure with my height and 2 palms (14cm*2) already reach the top . so roughly is about 200 cm.
2. IT IS 100% TRUE about the deposit, is written in the resident handbook and will give you after you pay to collect the key.

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QUOTE(kpdjfamily @ Mar 3 2009, 10:40 AM)
kokiegigit, pls email to me too. email : pmlchang@yahoo.com...thks a million
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kokiegigit, pls email to me too. email : tsohtan@gmail.com

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QUOTE(kelvinchin @ Mar 3 2009, 02:46 PM)
kokiegigit.. pls email to me as well : kelvin_chf@yahoo.com

Thanks


Added on March 3, 2009, 2:49 pmFor those who had collected the key, is it the maintenance fees already started to count?
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Yes, it is counted, and is start from 1 Jan 2009.
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QUOTE(yeh.babe @ Mar 2 2009, 01:32 PM)
let me give you my opinion:-

1. Toilet - low ceiling, it is very much like my house, only 2 ways you can do it:-
(a) take away the tank & connect your water to direct main pipe
(b) take away the tank & place it somewhere else...eg. your backyard
From what i experienced, the developer will do the option (a), it is easiest to rectify the problem. low ceiling not only ugly, dangerous, later you will find that water pressure will be another problem. no pressure to flow down, as it is to short distance from up to down, so the water is extremely low & small. it is like 'dog pee', so you will have no option but to remove the tank & connect to direct main. now you may not see it, cause you have not tested the water pressure. who is going to responsible for this issue? developer!!

2. & 4. Maintenance fee & VP - all buyer need to pay a justifiable portion of maintenance fee when VP is delivered. the maintenance is calculated from 14 days after vp delivered. it is stated in your spa. the reason why is when vp is delivered, the developer need to take care of the side like cutting grass, rubbish collection(if any), wear & tear of the road, drain etc. but since ppl is not moving in, so in spa only stated "fair & justifiable amount" not the full maintenance amt. how to define 'fair & justifiable'? this you need to check with developer how they come out with the figure. they should have the breakdown for you.

judging from what stated in the forum, some buyer did call the mps to check on the status of Borang E submission & replied by MPS no greenlight is given. then it is for sure the VP is invalid.

what is valid VP? valid VP means the developer submitted the borang E and accepted by authority (MPS).

since amansiara case is not valid VP, eventhough you have signed the acceptance of VP letter, the letter should be deemed null & void as the vp delivered to you is invalid. you still have the right to claim developer LAD.trust me, my case is similar to yours.

How to claim LAD & when to claim?
LAD = selling price x 10% x days late/365, you can proceed to claim LAD by giving official letter to developer stating what is the amt you claim & calculation. if developer not replying your letter, then you proceed to housing tribunal court.
since now you do not know when will be the Borang E submission date, then you will have to wait until the CF issued. once you get your CF, you can go to MPS to request them to issue you a confirmation letter to confirm on the date of their acceptance of borang E. then from there you can proceed to claim the LAd.

item 3 & 5 - this issue you need to talk to developer on the solution. developer will only attend to black & white complaint, so one must come out with the letter & sign by all house owner.

i have a suggestion, go to housing ministry, lodge the complaint, request the ministry to organise a meeting with developer, attended by all the buyers. normally the ministry will act as middle man, they will send out letter to req developer to attend to the meeting in ministry office, then developer has no excuse to push. do not worry, ministry is not like last time, they are willing to help.

cheers.
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Hi Yeh.babe

May i know for your case, did you guys form up a committee, and do you register the committee, because someone told me we need to regiter it, and it not register is considered a illegal assembly!!! ohmy.gif .....

So may you shared your experience?

And i had prepared letter, and the letter is going to sign by all resident (if possible).

Thank you for your sharing first.



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QUOTE(augustinetan @ Mar 2 2009, 10:11 AM)
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Hi All,

I had drafted out the letter and see anyone got comment and needed update or change anything.
ANd now i not sure should we go by one by one send the letter or send one letter with all signature, cause i heard commitee need to be register. So anyone can tell on the right way to do it?

Before we ask for assembly, i probably ask advice from the HBA. So may be i will visit them on this sat.

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post Mar 3 2009, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(bluesky_king @ Mar 3 2009, 08:36 PM)
thank for draft the formal letter, so what about the LAD claims and CF delay, this point not in the complaints letter .
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I not sure whether this point should include in, as we only can claim only when the CF is ready. and not sure what to mention in complain letter. And this should be ask advice from HBA on how to procceed on it at this moment.

Beside the complaint is more on design and the charges. : blush.gif
And i think now basically we're need to wait for CF received only mention about LAD.

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QUOTE(augustinetan @ Mar 2 2009, 10:11 AM)

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Hi All,

I think we got no point to call MPS and WIRAMA ask for CF Status.
As i just called to S&P laywer, girl name Nor, had answer me with the expect asnwer as we know. -->You got to wait.She told me we have to wait until end of this month (Mar). Another Month!!! sad.gif .

And some more this is really out of our control, and what we can do is act as a "dog" non-stop barking the developer hope to get the CF sooner.


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QUOTE(kpdjfamily @ Mar 4 2009, 03:40 PM)
Thanks for your draft, your initiative is greatly appreciated.
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TRY TO MAKE THIS POST AS LAST POST DON POST ANYTHING HERE!!! Or else It will going to split into 2 group.

PLEASE GO TO NEW LINK CREATED BY ALLANYUPPIE.


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/953867






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