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post Jun 26 2007, 11:25 PM, updated 19y ago

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Critical update for Intel Core CPUs is out

Have Intel processor? Download the fix right now

By Theo Valich: Tuesday 26 June 2007, 07:26

A COUPLE OF WEEKS ago, we heard that Dell was dealing with a certain situation considering Intel dual-core MCW and quad-core KC marchitecture, and that the company was releasing urgent BIOS and microcode versions for its line up.
We learned that the affected CPUs are the Core 2 Duo E4000/E6000, Core 2 Quad Q6600, Core 2 Xtreme X6800, XC6700 and XC6800.

In the mobile world, people with the Core 2 Duo T5000 and T7000 need to visit Microsoft's site, while the server guys will want to use motherboard BIOSes if they do not rely on Microsoft Windows operating systems.

The affected servers are Xeon 3000, 3200, 5100 and 5300s - or just about every model from the second generation of Core marchitecture.

Oddly enough, Yonah - 32-bit Core Duo processor - isn't among the affected cores.

We are assured that no product recall will happen, and that La Intella took all appropriate steps in order to minimise damage to its public image, because if a product recall happened, Intel's credibility would be ruined for good.

Anyway, if you have a Core CPU based machine, go to the link below to download the update. AMD processors are not affected at all, in case you were wondering. ยต
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40567

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A microcode reliability update is available that improves the reliability of systems that use Intel processors
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=936357


Added on June 26, 2007, 11:32 pmLOL>. i think i regretted buying intel processors..

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thanks for the info. will patch my prco now. hahaha
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post Jun 26 2007, 11:35 PM

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how critical is this..

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A microcode reliability update is available that improves the reliability of systems that use Intel processors
issue.. ?? enough to warrant a hotfix from microsoft? instead of intel?
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post Jun 26 2007, 11:49 PM

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Hahahahahaha. The inq must be new to the internets. Microcode updates are not uncommon at all. Most of the time they are included in BIOS updates. If you're going zomg wtf is this then you must have never updated your bios, or not read the release notes, or they were not mentioned. I know for sure that many ABIT BIOS release notes mention microcode updates. Big deal.
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yeah.. usually the update will be provided by the board manufacturers through firmware update.

i think this is the first time i see proc ucode hotfix from microsoft.. LOL

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dudes, how come my vista with my fx-60...i dont feel the dual core
its like the system can be so slow like shit and hang (i know this stupid original vista is unstable) but is there anyway to check?
in the task manager, the bars for each cores memang lain
how eh
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post Jun 27 2007, 08:59 AM

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is it same like 'amd optimizer' case?
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post Jun 27 2007, 11:09 AM

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Microcode updating is not really new, not just Intel have this problem. AMD K6 series and older Pentium III/4 have the same problem. Newer K7/K8 doesn't inherit this problem.

So update is your best choice if you are using Windows.


Added on June 27, 2007, 11:11 am
QUOTE(gtoforce @ Jun 27 2007, 01:31 AM)
dudes, how come my vista with my fx-60...i dont feel the dual core
its like the system can be so slow like shit and hang (i know this stupid original vista is unstable) but is there anyway to check?
in the task manager, the bars for each cores memang lain
how eh
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It depends on the application you are using la brother, if multi-threaded app is running, your processor affinity may differ.

Single threaded application is very common and still current, so duel-core CPU seems like uselss sometimes.

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post Jun 27 2007, 11:20 AM

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So what's with the regret of buying Intel processors?
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post Jun 27 2007, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ Jun 26 2007, 10:09 PM)
Microcode updating is not really new, not just Intel have this problem. AMD K6 series and older Pentium III/4 have the same problem. Newer K7/K8 doesn't inherit this problem.

So update is your best choice if you are using Windows.
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The K7 and K8 also have microcode update mechanisms, and they have had microcode updates IIRC. There was even a big deal in some circles a few years ago because some ppl managed to crack the K7 microcode update mechanism.

edit: Apparently i did remember correctly. Scroll down to bios update V1.4, point 2.
http://www.uabit.com/index.php?option=com_...atal1ty+AN9+32X

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post Jun 27 2007, 11:23 AM

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is this hotfix gonna rewrite some register or memory inside the processor?
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 27 2007, 11:23 AM)
is this hotfix gonna rewrite some register or memory inside the processor?
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Wow, this is the first time I'm hearing that an OS can rewrite code in a microprocessor
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post Jun 27 2007, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Jun 27 2007, 11:22 AM)
The K7 and K8 also have microcode update mechanisms, and they have had microcode updates IIRC. There was even a big deal in some circles a few years ago because some ppl managed to crack the K7 microcode update mechanism.

edit: Apparently i did remember correctly. Scroll down to bios update V1.4, point 2.
http://www.uabit.com/index.php?option=com_...atal1ty+AN9+32X
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Yup, many motherboard update includes microcode update but in this case it is an update relating to Windows operating system specifically.
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post Jun 27 2007, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ Jun 26 2007, 10:38 PM)
Yup, many motherboard update includes microcode update but in this case it is an update relating to Windows operating system specifically.
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Makes no difference whether it is updated via windows or the BIOS. End result is the same.
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post Jun 27 2007, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Jun 27 2007, 11:39 AM)
Makes no difference whether it is updated via windows or the BIOS. End result is the same.
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Yup, but affecting Windows only? Humm, that's kinda funny. It is not the CPU problem that's bother me, it's Windows unreadiness to adapt future hardware.

I don't like to bash Windows, because I am using it and proud of it, just a small funny story like this tickles.
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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ Jun 26 2007, 10:42 PM)
Yup, but affecting Windows only? Humm, that's kinda funny. It is not the CPU problem that's bother me, it's Windows unreadiness to adapt future hardware.

I don't like to bash Windows, because I am using it and proud of it, just a small funny story like this tickles.
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If it requires a microcode update, it's not microsoft's problem, it means the problem is in the chip. It probably happens that microsoft stumbled upon the problem, some instruction or combination of instructions they use trigger the problem. I'm sure more people run windows update than update their bios, so the best bet is to just fix it there.
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Is this a good article explaining what microcode is about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcode
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post Jun 27 2007, 11:54 AM

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In the mobile world, people with the Core 2 Duo T5000 and T7000 need to visit Microsoft's site, while the server guys will want to use motherboard BIOSes if they do not rely on Microsoft Windows operating systems.
From this one, it shows it affects not just Windows operating systems only, but who knows if other operating system might be affected too, not report from the Penguin/Red Devil/Sun or Apple world yet.

I hope people who use non-Microsoft operating system would do a post on this matter.
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Does this affect the T-series cores?
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post Jun 27 2007, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Jun 27 2007, 11:46 AM)
If it requires a microcode update, it's not microsoft's problem, it means the problem is in the chip. It probably happens that microsoft stumbled upon the problem, some instruction or combination of instructions they use trigger the problem. I'm sure more people run windows update than update their bios, so the best bet is to just fix it there.
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so do we have to update windows with this patch every time we format or is it just a one time process? Dunno whether same like 'flashing'.



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QUOTE(Aoshi_88 @ Jun 27 2007, 12:02 PM)
Does this affect the T-series cores?
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In the mobile world, people with the Core 2 Duo T5000 and T7000 need to visit Microsoft's site, while the server guys will want to use motherboard BIOSes if they do not rely on Microsoft Windows operating systems.
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QUOTE(probiotix @ Jun 26 2007, 11:13 PM)
so do we have to update windows with this patch every time we format or is it just a one time process? Dunno whether same like 'flashing'.
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If you fix it via a windows patch, then it works by loading the updated microcode every time windows starts up. So you will have to update windows with this patch again if you format. But if it is really that important, i expect that we will be seeing BIOS updates soon with the microcode update. In this case the BIOS loads it every time the computer boots, it is OS independent which is a good thing.
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What a bout laptops? Reason is i'm getting my laptop tomorrow and i don't think BIOS upgrades for laptops are all that easy to find.
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QUOTE(Aoshi_88 @ Jun 28 2007, 09:29 AM)
What a bout laptops? Reason is i'm getting my laptop tomorrow and i don't think BIOS upgrades for laptops are all that easy to find.
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In the mobile world, people with the Core 2 Duo T5000 and T7000 need to visit Microsoft's site, while the server guys will want to use motherboard BIOSes if they do not rely on Microsoft Windows operating systems.
you need the soft microcode update via Windows operating system update.
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The operating system will automatically update right?
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neither intel nor MS wants to tell what the nature of the problem or what application its affected or the symptoms
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as the time of this post, there are still no bios update for this problem from major motherboard manufacturers. Maybe this is the reason Microsoft released the hotfix?
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Intel documents such errata, if you know where to look smile.gif
http://download.intel.com/design/processor...dt/31327914.pdf
i believe page 58 describes this particular problem.

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In rare instances, improper TLB invalidation may result in unpredictable
system behavior, such as system hangs or incorrect data. Developers of operating systems should take this documentation into account when
designing TLB invalidation algorithms. For the processors affected, Intel has provided a recommended update to system and BIOS vendors to incorporate into their BIOS to resolve this issue.

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my lappy got affected. btw any other alternative beside patch via microsoft? coz im using pirated windows...
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Could this also cause premature Super Pi 32M failures during overclock ?
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Can i know if window auto update cover this? I am using T5000 series.. Will we have to manually update or window update does for us?
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Hardware Home: Intel Core 2 CPU error discovered and patched
By: Oscar Meade - Published June 28, 2007 at 4:22 PM EDT - Writer Archive
Error in TLB cache in Intel Core 2 CPUs that is used to improve the speed of virtual address translations fixed.
Via The Inq: "At first Intel posted the details about these particular errata back in late April inside a Core 2 Specification Update PDF document, explaing how this error could cause memory leaks and ultimately, lead to crashes.

"We've addressed a processor issue by providing a BIOS update for our customers that in no way affects system performance. We have documented this as an errata. All processors from all companies have errata, and Intel has a well-known errata communication process to inform our customers and the public. Keep in mind the probability of encountering this issue is low. Intel documented the issue a few months ago - Specification Updates for the affected processors are available at http://developer.intel.com."

The errata inside all Core 2 processors (T series, E series, Q series, QX series and Xeon 5000 series) can appear in very rare cases, and it can result a computer refusing to accept keyboard of mouse inputs. In Windows environment, it may result with a worldly known Blue Screen of Death, while Linux'es of this world may end up with kernel panic.

In conclusion, this problem has been fixed, with BIOS updates for motherboards containing fixes after the erratum was posted on developer.intel.com. Microsoft came up with a patch that will stop errata from possibly appearing, Apple already updated Mac OS X while the Linux status is unknown at time of writing*. It remains to be seen whether the companies will rather choose to go full disclosure of every error that happens in the future"
here another article of it blink.gif
by the way, could any1 upload to another website so i could update also? Because i using pirated win XP PRO?

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QUOTE(Auraguy @ Jun 29 2007, 08:45 AM)
here another article of it blink.gif
by the way, could any1 upload to another website so i could update also? Because i using pirated win XP PRO?
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wah.. all over the web.. y the suddent spotlight?

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Intel Core 2 Duo Has 'Non-Fixable' Bugs, OpenBSD Founder Alleges

Source : http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558...2129TX1K0000532

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i used the patch
seems no rasa
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suppose to be no rasa 1 wat..

y?? ur expecting drastic improvements in speed? LOL

or

morph a dualcore to a quadcore?? doh.gif

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umm, E4000 and E6000 meaning E6300, E6400 etc etc ..? blush.gif
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Well, I don't think it is overhyped. It is about time we hear some serious erratas from INTEL. We can't just blame Windows all the time when we get a BSOD. The CPU is at fault not Windows for a change!
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e6300 need this upgrade?
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QUOTE(Radeon @ Jun 29 2007, 11:11 PM)
i used the patch
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Wat rasa u wan? me update liau. Rasa masam masam manis la..haha
Of course u won;t feel the different la. it's just a fix if there is a problem there. Example BSOD. It fixed that. But if ur pc no problem then no rasa la.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yeauch @ Jun 30 2007, 06:02 AM)
Well, I don't think it is overhyped.  It is about time we hear some serious erratas from INTEL.  We can't just blame Windows all the time when we get a BSOD.  The CPU is at fault not Windows for a change!
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Erm, they've released it so many times before this. It's just that no one bothered to read it.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 30 2007, 11:18 AM)
e6300 need this upgrade?
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yea, i've been wondering too. can someone pls enlighten us? rclxms.gif
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I tried the update and it says i don't need it.

Btw, using C2D T7100 proc.
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Theo de Raat (OpenBSD guy) has a lot of bad blood with Intel just because Intel refuses to provide all tech docs on their wireless drivers. Most Linux/BSD VVIPs don't like him much.

That guy is famous for 'loose cannon' anyway. wink.gif


Anyway microcode patch has already been in used for x86 CPUs for long time. Even old Debian Linux have options to include microcode patches.

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QUOTE(2kia @ Jun 30 2007, 06:30 PM)
yea, i've been wondering too. can someone pls enlighten us?  rclxms.gif
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The errata inside all Core 2 processors (T series, E series, Q series, QX series and Xeon 5000 series) can appear in very rare cases, and it can result a computer refusing to accept keyboard of mouse inputs. In Windows environment, it may result with a worldly known Blue Screen of Death, while Linux'es of this world may end up with kernel panic.

If ur proc starts with E, better panic
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any application or software that can caused bsod with this particular bug?
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eh... what r u trying to do???
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It's just random IMO, no particular software will cause it unless the perfect condition is acheived. And then, it's BSOD. Personally, I used my Core2Duo series for 4 months now, and never once I BSOD'ed. Microsoft released this as a precaution measure, because the chance of it happening is quite low in the first place.
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QUOTE(Radeon @ Jul 5 2007, 12:20 PM)
any application or software that can caused bsod with this particular bug?
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can u extract more bout it?

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For programmer point of view, will it be problem when compiling their programs?
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If you are asking, then no.
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as long you follow intel recommended workaround.. it shouldn't be any problem
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Jul 4 2007, 10:01 AM)
If ur proc starts with E, better panic
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you'd be surprised that even intel cpus have it's own 'software' which are called microprograms which runs on 'microcodes' (these are stored in the cpu itself, compared to windows in your hard disk). the errata happens when these microprograms is not handling the operations correctly.

and dont blast me im just giving a very crude example.

so the hotfix is basically a 'microcode update', fixing the problems in the cpu.
i think MS has released microcode updates before for intel cpus.
but usually nothing serious...previously the more serious one was called the FDIV bug, go give it a wiki

 

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