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funkaymunkay1985
post Feb 15 2008, 03:26 AM

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hey there. I'm kinda new to this air brushing thing. I'm looking for someone around Malacca area to teach me how to air brush properly. Hope some Sifus out there can teach me. I really appreciate if there's someone who can teach me air brushing.

Got a few kits without air brushed... looks too dull =(


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post Feb 16 2008, 06:27 PM

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so is there any sifus out there willing to teach me how to AB?
don mind paying for the small lesson tho =D
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post Feb 17 2008, 10:52 PM

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Good day guys.

I've just got my PG rouge strike and i really really like to do this properly as I've been saving money for this beauuutiifuuul kit.

Anyway, I would like to paint my kit and I try to run through my steps. So if there's any mistake, please please please let me know before I ruin this beautiful kit.

1. Cut those parts out from the runner while sanding the pieces with sandpaper grade 400 then followed by 800.
2. Sort out which part is which colour, the prime it with Mr. Surfacer? Which grade if there's any.
3. Let it dry for overnight, then paint it according to desired colour scheme. Anyway, I'll be doing hand painting with acrylic paint and thin it using normal thinner. What's the ratio? 1 paint : 1 thinner?
4. Add decals and do the lining. lastly top coat it to make it glossy right?

Hope all the sifus can help me out here. Thank you ^^


Added on February 17, 2008, 10:54 pmAnd sorry, one more thing, acrylic paint is best for hand painting right?

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post Feb 17 2008, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Feb 17 2008, 11:56 PM)
1.hmm.. 800 is very rough, try getting above 1000.. i'm using 1200 to smoothen the surface
2. use 1000 cos tat's the most suitable
3. blink.gif hand paint a PG? IMO, PG hand paint a lot of work, would recommend AB or Spray can lo..
4. lining 1st then decal coz ltr if the decal above the lining leh...ya, lastly topcoat. got 3 types(gloss,semi-gloss,flat) u chose glossy so up  u.
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yea, acrylic paint most suitable for painting although i nvr use it b4.. haha.. but i would really recommend AB or spray can unless u're very good in hand painting
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Well, i did spray can on my PG titan but then the whole kit was ruined bcoz of the can.
It bubbles up altho i'm spraying like 30cms away.
No money for AB yet =P


Added on February 17, 2008, 11:33 pm
QUOTE(chriswoo @ Feb 18 2008, 12:01 AM)
hi funkaymunkay1985 - i hope you try not to handpaint PG 1st and pratice on HG or FG 1st because handpaint from my experince Can damage your inner Frame if it not too carefull and i recommending not to handpaint at 1/60 because very very hard to paint large part except Air brush ^.^ or u may get not very smooth surface result.
hope you can be a little patience and pratice out small parts then to bigger parts
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Hmm then i better practise on my Kaempfer or SDs Hahaha


Added on February 17, 2008, 11:36 pm
QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 18 2008, 12:04 AM)
For 3) Acrylics are water based, so you don't thin using normal thinner. What that's recommended for thinning acrylics depends on the type of acrylics actually. I normally use a mix of water + alcohol, but water alone should be alright. For the ratio, it depends a lot not only on the brand of the paint, but also on the color. Start off with a 1:1 ratio, and test out on a piece of scrap plastic first, then adjust accordingly for each color.

Also, remember that for acrylics, you're supposed to apply multiple thin coats. The first coat is to be thin enough that you can still see through it, to avoid too much buildup of paint.

As for whether acrylics r better for hand painting or not, I cant really comment on this one, as different ppl may have different preferences. Acrylics has got the advantages of being more forgiving should you mess up, and need to remove the paint and redo, but lacquers tends to give a finishing that's less prone to scratching.
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Hmmm I don quite get you. Sorry I'm still confused from all these jargons although I've been reading this thread for like weeks.
So, what you're trying to say is that I should apply multiple layers or paints in order to get a smooth finishing.
I remember that we can put something inside to it will give out a better finishing but i forgot what is it called.

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post Feb 17 2008, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Feb 18 2008, 12:37 AM)
i think this is becoz the brand of the spray can u bought is not suitable for gundam or plastics...
Try the brand Nippon which i used for my gundam.. u can check at WIP Thread of my Red Zaku.
whole kit using tat brand's spray can, so far no problem with it. i even sprayed like 10 cm away b4 and it's perfectly fine. smile.gif
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Well i was using the Tamiya Spray Can. That dude from the shop says it is suitable for gundam modeling.
Did he get it wrong? Nippon as in the commercialized nippon paint? the one u used to paint a house?
Where's the WIP thread?
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post Feb 17 2008, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Feb 18 2008, 12:48 AM)
hmm.. tat's weird.. tamiya spray cans shud be fine...
when u mean ruined, how is it?
did u prime ur kit? it's recommended to prime ur kit 1st before spraying so that ur paint would stick well. smile.gif
yes, nippon as in those commercialized one...
the spray can is called Nippon Pylox.
here's the link for my zaku result of using nippon smile.gif
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yea i did prime it at first.
well, there were air bubles and then the paint will be thicker at the edges there. Its like the paint its not settling properly.
So, i really dowan to use spray can anymore coz I'm afraid my beauuuuutifuuuuuuuuuuul PR strike rouge ended up in the box n not in a display stand.
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post Feb 17 2008, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(zero1st @ Feb 18 2008, 12:54 AM)
like what z3r0717 said to prevent bubbles when spray caning is to apply a layer of surfacer 1st on the kit then spray can
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a layer or priming is to applying prime right? Well, if that's that, I did applied prime on my kit sad.gif
I really don want to ruin this kit.

So i really hope sifus out here can help me out with this kit.

Anyway, zero, cool looking Zaku.
I would be so much happy if my kit ended up like yours without the weathering.

Can you let me know step-by-step how u ended up with the finishing.
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post Feb 18 2008, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Feb 18 2008, 12:57 AM)
hmmm.. that's really weird coz u're using tamiya brand, it shud be ok..
so far, i've nvr get this bubble thing b4.
Does spray cans have expiration date? just wondering hmm.gif

but if u dont spray, hand painting on BIG surface is a tough job. B4 i used spray cans, i alwiz have problem in painting big surface. Couldn't get the smooth surface i want.. anyway, this is just my opinion. I cant stop u if u wan to hand paint. smile.gif
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That's the problem. Well the expiration date isn't anywhere near. Hmmm. What do you think i should do?
I would be so much happy if my kit ended up like yours without the weathering.

Can you let me know step-by-step how u ended up with the finishing.
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post Feb 18 2008, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Feb 18 2008, 01:03 AM)
first, yes like zero1st said when spraying move the spray can. this u nid to get experience for spraying. i've got it right after a few kits.. laugh.gif

thanks for u coment.. sure i'll tell u my steps...

First,
snap fit the kit(testing)-->sand to make it smooth or get rid of the nips on the part --> prime the whole kit to cover the scratches made by the sand paper --> start spraying the colors desired
--> topcoat 1st layer to protect the paint --> apply battle damages --> weathering(dry brushing) --> putting decals --> and lastly 2nd layer of topcoat(i havnt done this step.. haha..)
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Ok, I would like to ask one important question. When you prime n spray your kit, do you spray it individually, or put all these small pieces on a piece on paper and spray or something else? which one is easier? Let's say if u put together all the pieces already, it'll be kinda hard to take it off again to spray right? sad.gif Dam, i'm such a noob in this. So sorry for all the questions.

anyway, how do u do dry brushing? just wanna know
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post Feb 18 2008, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 18 2008, 01:04 AM)
Something to add to the paint to give it a better finishing? That's likely to be retarder I think, but the smooth finishing that it provides is not what I'm referring to here.

Ok, I'll start from the basics. For hand painting, you've got 2 types of unevenness to worry about. One is to do with brush marks, where you'll see marks on the plastic from the brush. This is the result of the paint drying too fast. With slower drying paint, the brush marks (which cannot be fully avoided) will have the chance to settle down and meld away before the paint dries. This is where the retarder comes in. Whether the retarder is needed or not will depend on the paint, and also how you mix it, so again, you'll need to experiment a bit on this one.

The 2nd type of unevenness is to do with too much buildup of paint. Acrylics by default is rather thick (hence the need to thin it down properly). Having the paint too thick will result in 2 main problems:
- prevent moving parts from moving properly. this is especially obvious for something like a PG, that has got plenty of moving parts
- tends to scratch off easier when parts rub against each other

So hence you'll need to thin down the paint properly, so that it can still run off the brush smoothly, but thick enough to cover the area that you're painting.

Normally I would use up to 3 coats when handpainting using acrylics. The first coat will be pretty much still see through. The 2nd coat will cover fully, then the 3rd coat will the finishing coat.
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Hmmm, I think i got your idea.

Yea that's the name of the thing that I forgot. The retarder. So in order to avoid all those uneven brushing strokes i need to get my paint smooth enough when I'm painting but yet enough colour to over the prime right?

So, can i thin the paint by using higher portions of water in my acrylics paint?
And if i were to settle in some retarder, what is the recommended ratio? 1 water: 1 paint: 0.5 retarder?
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post Feb 18 2008, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Feb 18 2008, 01:15 AM)
it's ok.. everyone starts as a noob.. i have the same problem like u so i learn and learn.. smile.gif
well, there are different ways of doing it. I'll tell u my way 1st
go n get satay sticks with clips if u can find...
like these
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i use these to hold the parts, yes, parts by parts to prime and spray.. by doing this only u can get the parts painted equally.
ppl's method..
i see some ppl, snap the kit 1st then just prime the whole kit.. this way i think becoz he wants to save primer gua
when spraying colors only part by part...
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Yea, that's why I want to gather as much info as possible. So to annoy you if I do.
Ok speaking of getting those parts painted equally. How can you judge that the part that you're spraying right now is as the same tone as the previous one? Instinct? Hahaha.

Btw, where you get those satay sticks? I custom made mine using those penyapu lidi and stick the end of it with clothes clipper. Hahaha. Doesn't work out that good as the clip is too heavy for the lidi to support.

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post Feb 18 2008, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(zero1st @ Feb 18 2008, 01:22 AM)
what i mean in moving the spray can  is something like this

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note.... only press ur spray at the side ....... do not what so ever press ur spray can when ur kit parts is in front of the spray can ....

and yes it look like wasting the paint but if u wan get good result thats the only way .....
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That's what exactly I did. sad.gif
But, thumbs up for the drawing. Hahaha

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post Feb 18 2008, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Feb 18 2008, 01:28 AM)
it's ok.. i also alwiz gather enough info 1st then only i try.. hmm... i judge by, looking at it.. every part is spray then thumbup.gif laugh.gif

i lazy custom made so i bought them.. haha.. a guy called oldman in zero g forum. but u can order from his website hobbiescorner.com
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Well, I have browsed that side numerous of time but i still cant find that lidi. Can u give me the direct link. Sigh, I'm so afraid that i might screw up my kit bcoz i was planning to use a diff colour scheme for the Rouge. instead of pink red, i wan to make it white red so it wont be that 'girlish'.

any last advise before i start doing?


Added on February 18, 2008, 12:34 am
QUOTE(zero1st @ Feb 18 2008, 01:29 AM)
z3r0717 - here is another way to make the clippers  laugh.gif

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funkaymunkay1985 - if u have done all the step and still goes wrong then i also dunno y liao ......  laugh.gif
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I also really don know why.
That's why I'm having this fear of using spray cans bcoz my few hundred ringgit worth of kit ended up in the box. Sigh

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post Feb 18 2008, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Feb 18 2008, 01:42 AM)
sure sure..
hmm.. weird.. cant find in the website d.. but u can try asking him..

when building gundams, kenot hav fear.. i used to have them then i told myself if i scared then why not just snap fit only.. lol.. Thus, now i very daring to try anything new.. doh.gif

Last advice, hmmm...
Gam Ba teh! lol.... just do wat u believe in.. scared then can come back here and ask.. laugh.gif
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Thx a lot bro. I'll post up any queries at here if i do have one.
Thank you ^^

Well, will be starting off soon once i managed to get those stuffs. ^^

Oh yea, can pm me how do i get this guy who sells that sticks ^^

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post Feb 18 2008, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(maxim.Freaks @ Feb 18 2008, 03:28 PM)
yup.. true.. satay stick with blu-tack is much more convenient..
and cheaper also..
i bought satay stick at "Kedai 2 ringgit" @ "RM2 shop"..
rm2 for 200 stick..
faber castel blu-tack around rm3 - rm7.. (depend on size..)
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O.o cheaper option.
But then its hard to find those satay stick in mlc.
Scouted around but cant find any. sad.gif
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post Feb 18 2008, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(edan1979 @ Feb 18 2008, 08:02 PM)
just go snoop around satay shop and steal those finish eat one... lolz... dirty....  shocking.gif  sweat.gif

if really hard and really want it... i send it for you la... hehehe...
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YaY!! sure.. how do i get in touch with u?
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post Apr 10 2008, 11:16 AM

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Kena marah.. So direct the question here
How are vince tai lo?

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post Apr 10 2008, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(300078 @ Apr 10 2008, 02:04 PM)
weathering marker! U can refer back to a few page before for wat the weathering marker look like!
AB can do camouflage, u can do it with doll to cover up or maybe straight shoot! I tried before but the effect not so good since back then i did have enough color and material to do so! my ACGUY was a failure.......may tried again on the upcoming Tieren 1/100!!! This time will go challenging this:
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wow...
hmmm... straight ab on spot...
AB base colour, then change colour and randomly spray the pattern?
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post Apr 26 2008, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(vincent09 @ Apr 26 2008, 07:38 PM)
funkaymunkay1985, your Kaempfer is spray by can ??
Very nice man, is it nippon Pylox paint ?? biggrin.gif thumbup.gif
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yeaps.... by can =)
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thx to bro zero for introducing rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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