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post May 29 2019, 12:11 AM, updated 7y ago

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This was posted by me back in June last year, soon after PH victory. Sometimes one really hates to be right:
QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jun 30 2018, 10:11 AM)
One can forsee oppo gonna focus and go full retard on 3R (race, religion, royalty) from now onwards, coz thats the only issue they can play with.

At least when PH was opposition, there were plenty of issues on corruption, mismanagement, etc
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I really don't see how things can improve here and thats the scary truth. Social media is overrun by cybertroopers instigating 3R and nothing is being done by the government to counter or stop them. Sure, you can say "just ignore it lah", "tak suka jangan tengok lah", "delete your fb lo" and so on. But they're not targeting ME. I can ignore them (in fact I dont even layan sites like siakap keli, bbcd, etc), but the target of their instigations is not me. You can see the modus operandi easily. Whatever cina dap do (nowadays the trend is going towards salah cina dap even if the issue has nothing related to them doh.gif ), MUST FIND FAULT SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW:
Don't do anything for melayu = melayu ditindas.
Do whatever for melayu = saja nak kencingkan melayu/ melayu merana ditanah sendiri
God forbit if cina dap did anything to offend melayu/islam, it becomes cyber 513

Just an example today itself:

Professor Khoo Kay Kim's death.
Now first of all let me state here, I'm neither happy nor sad about him passing away, and I don't even see anybody talking about him in the work place or the cigarette hangout either. For me it's like, oh, this professor passed away? Ok... back to work. But just because some (or quite a few?) chinese insults his death because they disagree with his view point, and it becomes full blown cina kafir pendatang kurang ajar balik tanah asal. Wtf? Like... really, are we a communist country where differences of opinion is not allowed? You think he's right therefore it must be the absolute truth and I cannot ever say he's wrong?

Digging a bit, it's not as if the source of their disagreements are not justified either:

https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/chinese-lac...-020349726.html
https://hornbillunleashed.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/45552/
https://www.malaysiadesignarchive.org/an-op...im/?print=print

They are so angry about ppl kurang ajar pasal orang mati? Where were they when the comments about Karpal Singh passed away from accident?

Or some YB trying to score some political brownies with zakat:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4784953&hl=

Yes yes I get it, zakat can only be distributed by muslim themselves. Kafirs stay out. But call it donation, its still a bag of rice. Call it zakat and it is STILL a bag of rice. Yet the shitstorm is like worse than murder-level kind of salah... wtf?...


If you read the hate posts with an impartial mind, you can see they're really trying too hard to instigate hate. But why is the govt so fukken stupid not doing anything about it? If they can form a Special Unit to monitor insults against Islam, why can't they form a special department to monitor and take action against 3R instigators/provocateurs? Does PH government really want to lose GE15? And lose not even from incompetence but due to racial & sectarian hate?

Sad thing is both sides - cina, melayu, muslims, non-muslims gets provoked or takes the bait, and lash out indiscriminately at the other side, a never ending loop that becomes an ever growing monster. And you can see it's starting to have effect even here in /k. Things that are common everyday issues are becoming racially tinted. Ppl who used to be chill or neutral are becoming increasingly taking their "own" sides rather than trying to figure out first who's actually right or wrong.

This post has been edited by bigwolf: May 29 2019, 12:19 AM
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post May 29 2019, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(CEO 10K a day @ May 29 2019, 12:37 AM)
there are plenty of issues raised by najib troll page that are not 3R, stop being brainwashed u dumbass
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And guys, let me show you; this here is a very good (not perfect, but somewhere in the high marks) example of red herring rclxms.gif

1. Thread talks about social media & 3R instigations.
2. CEO genius jumps in about najib
3. And if you bite the bait, you'll start arguing about why najib's page is 3R or not 3R
4. Original message about social media & 3R instigations/provocations becomes lost

Go back to your office and keep earning 10k a day la. Waste your time layan /k and UFO for wat rclxs0.gif
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post May 29 2019, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(darthsmasher @ May 29 2019, 12:32 AM)
Totally agree

This round was sparked by not opposition but maszlee with his retarded comment.
I think it was the first time since election that non malays realised ppbm = umno potek hence the feeling of betrayal

The problem is tht even with umno gone the malay mentality still hasn't changed. Die also must potek maruah, bumi rights etc
In fact with umno gone they feel even more threatened hence become even more extreme, every little thing triggered
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And this here is also an example of how comments can be misinterpreted into racial tensions. Now darthsmasher may (or may not be? I honestly dunno) mean those racist malays specifically, but when you use words like "the malay" it can easily be interpreted as attacking the malay race as a whole.

Read carefully the threads in /k, you can easily spot these kind of comments, and honestly speaking, they do not help to bring your point across to the other side, rather would only agitate the other side into defensive mode. Comments like the following:

the malays/chinese
the muslims/nons
malays/chinese in general
indahnya
sama je (tongsan/indon) sana dengan sini
tongkat race
they want wheelchair
They


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post May 29 2019, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(AmIRight? @ May 29 2019, 05:23 AM)
thats why dont be arrogant and stay humble. the professor and his family do not deserve the insult. Same also if bijan die, he and his family do not deserve insult. What people need is respect people death and do not rude.
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Sure they do not deserve insult, but does those who did insult them (and the race by extension) deserves full blown cina kafir pendatang kurang ajar balik tanah asal?

This here is how the provocateurs instigate you with 3R doctrine of hate. See, the simple thing is, people being people, there WILL be different reactions (sad, happy, indifferent, etc). To expect only ONE homogeneous set of emotion that correspond to what you want is not possible. That is either communism or hive based organisms without individual thought.

Now having said that, if ppl are rude to the professor's death, then tegur them la like what you said here - the professor and his family do not deserve the insult... or even scold them for being rude. Why go full retard and threaten ethnic cleansing? Because the professor's death is not the issue, the objective here is to instigate both sides and get them to hate each other?

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post May 29 2019, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ May 29 2019, 06:11 AM)
Well, Malaysians are racists, no humans are racists.
The degree however might differ between one person and the other. The way that we brought up affects it immensely especially if one is not exposed with the other races socially, but instead relied on feeds from their own kind.

The feeling of being victimised fuels the negativity and will stay there until the person chose to do something about it. No amount of explanation would deflate such venomous racists feelings and behaviour until he or she decides to let go. Not an easy thing to do, mind you.
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Very most true, especially the bolded part. You can see it from some of the posters here
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post May 29 2019, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ May 29 2019, 06:29 AM)
I think there is ton of issue raised by oppo is more related to economy, judicial and election promises

You can see the Najib and Wee Ka Siong pages

The one that raised 3R issue is the pakatan gov themselves like Maszlee coz they want to divert their government failure

Also ppl P Ramasamy and the latest LKS himself

Scrared shit to debate with Najib then say dont want it to be 'racial' when Najib never start about it

Scared of new airport in Kedah, P Ramasamy say this is plan to oppress 'chinese' Penang

Scared of Umno and Pas allliance, LGE say it is 'declaration of war agains non-malay'

Got illegal temple demolished by developer all Indian Pakatan make press conference say this is caused by 'muslim' gangster

Gov scared of Adib issue case will caused 'race riot' , try to supress and delay the truth

Scared of matriculation issue , maszlee blame chinese for private sector job oppurtunities for bumi

Then gov supporters like you hike up the 3r issue like this thread

So who are the one that love play fire?

Pathetic
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ May 29 2019, 06:43 AM)
For me social media provokers is not the real issue

The one that love playing 3R now is the gov ppl themselves
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Tbh, I'm still not sure if you're part of the cybertroopers instigating 3R or the end result of a fellow Malaysian brainwashed with hate hmm.gif

The thread has nothing to do with Najib & WKS but why are you and that 10k CEO keep bringing them up? Red herring? And seriously, you think "DAP controlled PH govt" is playing 3R? How stupid can they be to instigate 3R hate back towards themselves? Did you attend BTN classes before?

PH leaders makes racial mistakes then screw that leader himself la, but no, you see the 3R instigators going full retard, ini lah bukti cina dap sudah kurang ajar, puak ini dah naik tocang, melayu nak sabar sampai bila lagi, tak sabar tunggu je isyarat turun padang, halau je puak pendatang ni balik tanah asal.

Typical modus operandi of these 3R instigators to instigate 1 side and blame the other side for their own (3R instigators) threats. I mengamuk because salah kau

Its like Ah Chong insult you. Yes, Ah Chong is wrong and kurang ajar. But does that justify killing him, and his family, and burn down every chinese homes in the area?

Both sides need to read this and think deeply for themselves:
QUOTE(dagnarus @ May 29 2019, 06:11 AM)
Well, Malaysians are racists, no humans are racists.
The degree however might differ between one person and the other. The way that we brought up affects it immensely especially if one is not exposed with the other races socially, but instead relied on feeds from their own kind.

The feeling of being victimised fuels the negativity and will stay there until the person chose to do something about it. No amount of explanation would deflate such venomous racists feelings and behaviour until he or she decides to let go. Not an easy thing to do, mind you.
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post May 29 2019, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(kuci_mayong @ May 29 2019, 07:47 AM)
Maybe it's PH themselves that are instigating. Divide and rule has always been used by those in power.
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And I still think you're part of the 3R cybertroopers. Nobody can be so ignorant and still refuse to see facts even when showed in front of their face

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post May 29 2019, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(bijak 99999 @ May 29 2019, 08:51 AM)
reality is, there no fake out.. it's pure voice of rakyat to voice out they dissatisfaction

3R? well DAP play with that first
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Yup, its always salah cina dap. Rakyat like Khoo Watt Ken Ching are not fake out
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post May 29 2019, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ May 29 2019, 09:03 AM)
Voice of racist? Maybe you try to understand why you guys racist? Because of BN 60years of racism?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 29 2019, 09:02 AM)
These people are hypocrites.

They subscribe to

Kita buat boleh, org lain buat tak boleh and Jangan Persoalkan.

Well Im going to persoalkan until the end of time, I don't  care anymore.
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And therein lies the danger of unnecessary escalation

QUOTE(bigwolf @ May 29 2019, 01:09 AM)
And this here is also an example of how comments can be misinterpreted into racial tensions. Now darthsmasher may (or may not be? I honestly dunno) mean those racist malays specifically, but when you use words like "the malay" it can easily be interpreted as attacking the malay race as a whole.

Read carefully the threads in /k, you can easily spot these kind of comments, and honestly speaking, they do not help to bring your point across to the other side, rather would only agitate the other side into defensive mode. Comments like the following:

the malays/chinese
the muslims/nons
malays/chinese in general
indahnya
sama je (tongsan/indon) sana dengan sini
tongkat race
they want wheelchair
They
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post May 29 2019, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(CEO 10K a day @ May 29 2019, 09:11 AM)
just because i talked about ufo doesn't mean i can't talk about anything else....
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balik opis kerja 10k a day la. waste your time here for wat biggrin.gif
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post May 29 2019, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ May 29 2019, 09:28 AM)
Tell that to the people who called the late KKK a traitor just for his service to the country. U want to do this, go both sides. Lots of sohai in both races.
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baca la baik2. oledi answered, whyyyyy keep repeating the same question? rclxub.gif

QUOTE(bigwolf @ May 29 2019, 08:40 AM)
Sure they do not deserve insult, but does those who did insult them (and the race by extension) deserves full blown cina kafir pendatang kurang ajar balik tanah asal?

This here is how the provocateurs instigate you with 3R doctrine of hate. See, the simple thing is, people being people, there WILL be different reactions (sad, happy, indifferent, etc). To expect only ONE homogeneous set of emotion that correspond to what you want is not possible. That is either communism or hive based organisms without individual thought.

Now having said that, if ppl are rude to the professor's death, then tegur them la like what you said here - the professor and his family do not deserve the insult... or even scold them for being rude. Why go full retard and threaten ethnic cleansing? Because the professor's death is not the issue, the objective here is to instigate both sides and get them to hate each other?
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post May 29 2019, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ May 29 2019, 09:50 AM)
So now who is in power? Ph or bn

How come racing issue more serious nowadays
What is the govt countermeasure?
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As per what I wrote on OP, really no idea why PH govt is doing nothing to monitor or take action on these instigators.

So how? Whats your solution beside bitching about PH everyday? Vote BN/PAS back?
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post May 29 2019, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ May 29 2019, 10:13 AM)
Cannot bitching ph?
Isnt ph the govt now?
They have the power n resources, do something la
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Here is /k. We can tokok singsong. So lets assume ph have ppl monitoring here and looking for feedback n suggestions.

So beside bitching at them, what solutions you can propose that can help the govt? Do something la, as in do what?
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post May 29 2019, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ May 29 2019, 10:25 AM)
Solutions?

Ask the menteri perpaduan la
Get salary over 20k mth goyang telur waste ur tax payer money
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Not asking about menteri perpaduan. I'm asking you. So what solutions you have beside bitching about ph on daily basis?

Or is it you actually have no ideas and just want to bitch "takpe, asal bijan turun" or "who disagree dia macai bn" from post ge14 until ge15? hmm.gif
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post May 29 2019, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(CommonPeople @ May 29 2019, 10:51 AM)
From my obversation,

all these hatreds, slander and racism happens only in SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS and MASS MEDIA

The reality is: Everyone is living peacefully and respect each other equally.

I dont know where do you guys came from but where i lived, worked and lepaked, everyone respect each other

and i am talking about areas such as Ampang, Mont Kiara, Subang Jaya, Petaling Jaya, Shah Alam, Setiawangsa, Bangsar

#racism404 #hatred404
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Very much agree with you bro, and lets hope it continues that way.

It is to the provocateurs advantage if their instigations can spill over to the real world and hope for chaos. The danger signs are already there, when you see a simple argument between an auntie & makcik about not closing the tap becomes racial, or someone goes in the wrong way in bazaar ramadan ends up assaulted and broken mirrors. Or the Carlsberg Eddie being hounded until he had to run and fear for his life.

This thread is to remind everybody on both sides to be alert and take a step back and start thinking rationally & critically. Don't get baited & instigated, coz the hate you accumulated online can lead to disaster with just a spark in real life (remember the lowyat case)
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post May 29 2019, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ May 29 2019, 12:31 PM)
Govt
Maslzee talk about quota u forget?
Quota matrix not related to racial?
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Ffs man, you troopers have a standard script or wat? No matter how, everything must pusing balik to salah cina dap & ph? laugh.gif

Are you also dun baca type and just wait to be dibacakan? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(bigwolf @ May 29 2019, 08:40 AM)
Tbh, I'm still not sure if you're part of the cybertroopers instigating 3R or the end result of a fellow Malaysian brainwashed with hateĀ  hmm.gif

The thread has nothing to do with Najib & WKS but why are you and that 10k CEO keep bringing them up? Red herring? And seriously, you think "DAP controlled PH govt" is playing 3R? How stupid can they be to instigate 3R hate back towards themselves? Did you attend BTN classes before?

PH leaders makes racial mistakes then screw that leader himself la, but no, you see the 3R instigators going full retard, ini lah bukti cina dap sudah kurang ajar, puak ini dah naik tocang, melayu nak sabar sampai bila lagi, tak sabar tunggu je isyarat turun padang, halau je puak pendatang ni balik tanah asal.

Typical modus operandi of these 3R instigators to instigate 1 side and blame the other side for their own (3R instigators) threats. I mengamuk because salah kau


Its like Ah Chong insult you. Yes, Ah Chong is wrong and kurang ajar. But does that justify killing him, and his family, and burn down every chinese homes in the area?

Both sides need to read this and think deeply for themselves:
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post May 29 2019, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(smallbug @ May 29 2019, 12:38 PM)
Those sound like urban areas to me... maybe you should set your hurdle JUST a little higher.  biggrin.gif
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Doesn't matter urban or rural. Hate and instigations can come from all areas and from both sides, both malays and chinese. Important is to remind yourself dont take the bait and get provoked yourself
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ May 29 2019, 01:31 PM)
You didnt answer my facts

All the example i given is from pakatan so called gov leadership

How you expect ppl to behave if their own gov leaders playing with fire too?

Hypocrites
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Already answered if you read my reply properly. You are either an instigator yourself or totally brainwashed with hate
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ May 29 2019, 02:58 PM)
QUOTE(bigwolf @ May 29 2019, 12:37 PM)

Ffs man, you troopers have a standard script or wat? No matter how, everything must pusing balik to salah cina dap & ph? laugh.gif

Are you also dun baca type and just wait to be dibacakan? biggrin.gif
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Orang gila
I said maszlee talk about quota

How is it related to dap?
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And this is why M4A1 is my favourite punching bag. Seriously, he makes it so easy, its sadder than Charlie Zelenoff going against Deontay Wilder...

Read...
QUOTE(bigwolf @ May 29 2019, 12:37 PM)
Ffs man, you troopers have a standard script or wat? No matter how, everything must pusing balik to salah cina dap & ph? laugh.gif

Are you also dun baca type and just wait to be dibacakan? biggrin.gif
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Read!!!
QUOTE(bigwolf @ May 29 2019, 12:37 PM)
Ffs man, you troopers have a standard script or wat? No matter how, everything must pusing balik to salah cina dap & ph? laugh.gif

Are you also dun baca type and just wait to be dibacakan? biggrin.gif
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REAAAD!!!!!
QUOTE(bigwolf @ May 29 2019, 12:37 PM)
Ffs man, you troopers have a standard script or wat? No matter how, everything must pusing balik to salah cina dap & ph? laugh.gif

Are you also dun baca type and just wait to be dibacakan? biggrin.gif
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post May 29 2019, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ May 29 2019, 02:33 PM)
When i mention the pakatan leaders fault you just dismissed them easily

You harping back with the 'instigators' while didnt acknowledge that the leaders themselves play with fire too

You cant clap hands with just one hand you know

I didnt say what you say is wrong - i just pointing out why you didnt acknowledge that the gov leaders do the same thing too
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And this here is a very fine example of either a 3R cybertrooper or an ordinary person totally brainwashed with hate. I'm going to give the benefit of doubt and go for the person brainwashed with hate, as it may also relate to many other here. Let us analyze his comment and see the subtle and not so subtle 3R doctrine here shall we.

Firstly, this was the post stig replied to:
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Now I believe the message here is very straightforward:

1. If PH minister makes racial mistakes (or call it play racial fire, or whatever lah).
2. Then screw that minister for stoking racial fire
3. But problem here is, 3R instigators are taking advantage of this to spread hate, "ini lah bukti cina dap sudah kurang ajar, puak ini dah naik tocang, melayu nak sabar sampai bila lagi, tak sabar tunggu je isyarat turun padang, halau je puak pendatang ni balik tanah asal", stuff like that

No where in that post was there any attempt to plotek said ministers. If he did wrong, punish him. How much more straightforward do you want? But apparently it is not enough for stigonboard. Apa lagi lu mau brader? Ambik parang kasi tetak sama itu minister ka? rclxs0.gif

See, the original message of this thread is to warn about the dangers of 3R instigators/provocateurs, but what stigonboard is trying to do here is to turn the entire argument... the CAUSE... or REASON, if you may call it... of the 3R instigators/provocateurs to "because of PH leaders playing racial sentiment". Classic example of I mengamuk because salah kau (or worse, aku mengamuk sebab aku kata kau salah doh.gif).

Now why do I say stigonboard is a person brainwashed with hate? Coz it is most interesting to note he ONLY blame PH ministers yet total silence on UMNO and PAS. Really... stupid crap like "LKS scared shit to debate with Najib coz dont want it to be 'racial'", can be construed as stoking/playing racial fire? But total silence on outright racial & sectarian provocations from UMNO & PAS. I mean, be fair here, read and judge impartially yourself, who is actually stoking/playing racial fire?

https://umno-online.my/2018/12/08/apabila-h...-tak-dihormati/
https://umno-online.my/2019/05/13/melayu-be...i-dap-apa-pula/
https://umno-online.my/2019/01/29/kejayaan-...asama-umno-pas/
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/hadi-muslims-used...-032528074.html
https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/national/onl...macy/ar-BBRXH6S

Thing is, I don't blame brainwashed victims like stigonboard. This is the end result of hate propaganda. When everything you see is the fault of ph cina dap. Such brainwashed victims can only believe it is ph fault and the racial tensions are caused by themselves. It can never be cybertroopers purposely find fault in anything and everything to instigate 3R provocations. This is not acceptable:
QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jun 30 2018, 10:11 AM)
One can forsee oppo gonna focus and go full retard on 3R (race, religion, royalty) from now onwards, coz thats the only issue they can play with.

At least when PH was opposition, there were plenty of issues on corruption, mismanagement, etc
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