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aurora97
post May 26 2019, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(ariesguy @ May 22 2019, 09:12 AM)
Hello Sifu-sifu sekalian!
I'm sure everyone has heard of the news lately that a nurse was murdered in her condo by an African, and her body was found after 3 days. This is just one of the many cases where many foreigners causing nuisance for locals at their residential area.

Taking this into consideration, being a JMC committe member myself, we are planning to introduce Foreign Tenant Background screening at our condo. As we can't discriminate or stop a certain ethnicity from staying in a place, this appears to be the ideal call to give assurance to the local residents that the foreigner is indeed safe and not blacklisted from a criminal or financial aspect.

When we brought this suggestion to our lawyer, he said it's like opening a pandors box as certain things can backfire us.  For info, our AGM was just held, and we incorporated this agenda into our house rules which was accepted and supported by almost all residents. We are also aware that the screening can be done only after the foreign tenant signs a consent form, as he's allowing the company to do a background screening on him. The question is, what if the tenant refuses? Though it's in the house rule, how to go about if he still refuse for a background screening and his stand is supported by the landlord?

Need your opinion on this guys!
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First and foremost screening is useless because your providers are local (example CTOS [CCRISS only available for banks], bankruptcy search, criminal records) and you are implementing it on foreigners.

I have heard of "certificate of good conduct" issued by the respective embassy/consular. Basically, this is intended to confirm that the person has no criminal records in their home country. I will let you guys do research on this point.

I think the key point to note here is:
(1) you can't restrict landlords from letting out their property;
(2) you can't discriminate; and
(3) you can't prevent a person from going to their parcel.

Before they get to their parcel however, they need to pass through "Common Area". This is where JMB/MC have most control over residents.

The strategy here is to deploy various paperwork, access card followed up by strict enforcement. Shady characters will typically find this challenging to comply and will naturally opt out of the tenancy.

Strategy 1:
Issuance of a separate access card (example for barrier gates, lifts etc...) for tenants and owners.

If you have facilities, you may want to consider a seperate access card system, if you can afford it(or already in place)

Note: This will be a huge exercise and you will need to pass this as an agenda during AGM.

Strategy 2:

Control over property agents. All property agents must register themselves with the management office. Registered property agents will be published on the notice board. Reason being, if there are nasty tenants and the property agent does not assist to rectify, they will be barred from entering the property.

Strategy 3

Before obtaining access card, the tenant must provide the following information:-
(1) the property agent must appear in person and provide details to management;
(2) tenancy agreement (full set);
(3) identification document (passport together with proof of stay ex: study pass);
(4) if student, letter from university/college;
(5) certificate of good conduct from the tenant's respective home country;
(6) emgency contact details (email, phone) of the tenant's parents/guardians; and
(7) terms of use of the access card.

The terms of use of the access card should be signed-off by the tenant. If the tenant misbehaves, their access card will be revoked and they have to sign-in each and every time and they have to produce identification documents/tenancy agreements and a letter showing JMB/MC has provided temporary access to the tenant (if applicable). At entry point in the guard house, at the lobby (if guards are posted) and the common facilities (if guards are posted). The tenant will be escorted or tapped-in by guards.

Strategy 4
If the tenant manages to get past the documentation phase but behave badly, have their access card disabled based on the "terms of use of the access card". (refer to sign-in every time).

The above arrangement can also be used to defeat renting out of units to Airbnb occupants.

The procedures should be adopted via AGM.



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QUOTE(ariesguy @ May 27 2019, 01:47 PM)
I have to say your point sounds pretty much effective. And thank you for the listed suggestion!

I have made my research pertaining to Certificate of Good Conduct' which can be done online and it's only RM20. But the only setback is the duration takes approx 1-2 months, and the foreigner who intends to apply it must have reside in Malaysia at least 12 consecutive months under their long term visa:
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If the tenant is in a move in condition and the owner wants him to move in immediately, it may seem a little difficult from our end especially from compelling owners.

For the agents listing, this is indeed a great approach. We are actually in the midst of replacing the access card, and this will be the time to get the full listing of the agents and we will register them under us.

You were saying that 'The terms of use of Access card' can be implemented to to restrain the use of units as AirBnb. From our previous conversation with our local COB, he mentioned that currently there are no law to prevent such thing, as many owners are buying these units for such investment. If I am an owner for the homestay unit, all I have to do is just may my monthly maintenance fee, and pass the access card to the person who booked. If he/she did not cause any nuisance, I would assume everything is fine. But from JMB's perspective, how can be curb or prevent from such person renting it for a short term stay at our place?

Thanks once again!
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Sorry for the delay in response. I was waiting for the responses to die down before I respond.

I think i just open myself another can of worms i.e. Airbnb.

All the procedures that I have proposed is not intended for an "outright" prohibition but making it difficult by putting paper work in place. If assuming the tenant (or Airbnb occupants) observe all the terms and conditions to the letter, it will be very difficult for you to filter out and they will be out of your hair.

It's only when they appear on the radar than you will use the tools available:

(1) disabling access card for security reasons because house is registered with Owner A but visitors have been seen coming in and out of the house; or
(2) requiring registration and show of documents at entry points [this is to catch Airbnb or tenants, they don't have transportation. Disable their access card, request them to produce documents i.e. passport/NRIC, tenancy agreement as proof of their occupancy].

QUOTE(ulala2 @ May 27 2019, 06:42 PM)
I just think about the following:-

1) Under SMA Act, there are some prescribed by-law stated in Third Schedule;
2) Any additional by-law made by JMB/MC need to filed a copy to COB, and those addtional by-law cannot contradict with prescribed by-law;
3) To make sure any new owner/tenant or however enter into the building should registered with the Management Office to provide their basic info;
4) JMB/MC also can issue written notice to any proprietor/tenants pertaining to the complaint toward them, after 2 written notices send, JMB/MC may proceed with further action.
5) for AirBnB, if this building is under residential title, just report to PTG/licensing Dept where they are misuse residential parcel for commercial use;
6) If this is commercial title, introduce additional by law for air-bnb, for example, to install emergency sign at all common staircase, to install mimic diagram, just imagine if u in a hotel, what u will see and impose those to airbnb owner.
7) This is due to under current law, if this is commercial title, u cannot restrict them to use as commercial. U only can create more rules to make them difficult to carry such business.
8) Another way is to create some access point to mail room like access card, so that those people unable to access to the mail room to take the key.

TQ
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Disclaimer: Whoever is reading this/ To whom it may concern... Before I begin, forum is a public space and information are obtained from public source. If you are in doubt, please check with a professional i.e. lawyer or your building manager. The information is intended for public discussion.

Okay, looks like we going on serious mode here. My answers and question in bold:

1) Under SMA Act, there are some prescribed by-law stated in Third Schedule;
There are two modes of recovery of maintenance due to management:
(a) through tribunal (s34/78); or alternatively
(b) attachment (section 35/79) i.e. seize the owners property and sell it off to recover maintenance fee due.

Doesn't quite aid the OP/TS (forgot this forum use which one to refer to question starter) question, please elaborate further on your point. Would help with discussion.



2) Any additional by-law made by JMB/MC need to filed a copy to COB, and those addtional by-law cannot contradict with prescribed by-law;

First hurdle, by-laws cannot contradict regulations made under section 150:-

The point where in cannot contradict refers to those laws created under section 150, example below:-
1. PU(A) 107/2015 STRATA MANAGEMENT (MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT) REGULATIONS 2015 (refer to preamble of the Regulation)
2. PU(A) 116/2019 STRATA MANAGEMENT (COMPOUNDING OF OFFENCES) REGULATIONS 2019 (refer to preamble of the Regulation)

Second hurdle (section 32 or 70):

Maybe additional requirements, depending whether you are a JMB or MC (Please note). Your by-laws must fall within the following category:-

(a) safety and security measures;
(b) details of any common property of which the use is restricted;
© the keeping of pets;
(d) parking;
(e) floor coverings;
(f) refuse control;
(g) behaviour;
(h) architectural and landscaping guidelines to be observed by all parcel owners; and
(i) imposition of fine not exceeding two hundred ringgit against any parcel owner, occupant or invitee who is in breach of any of the by-laws.

Third hurdle

The by-law needs to be passed by a special resolution.

Special Resolution means:

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Fourth hurdle

File with COB.


section 32(6):
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section 70(6)
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3) To make sure any new owner/tenant or however enter into the building should registered with the Management Office to provide their basic info;

What is basic information and where do we cross the threshold of too much information?

My reason to each of the information requested as follows (but i am sure you guys can think a better one than mine):-

(2) tenancy agreement (full set);
- Reason why full set is requested is because we want to ensure that there is a contract in place. Example: what if he provide you all pages except for signature page OR what if he provides you with the cover page and signature page only? Does it mean there is a signature?

(3) identification document (passport together with proof of stay ex: study pass);
Not only we would want to know that the person is legitimately in this country but also for the security of the rest of the residents, their stay should correspond to their purpose. Also, if there is fire or emergency, it would be easier for management to carry out headcount

(4) if student, letter from university/college;
Same as (3) above

(5) certificate of good conduct from the tenant's respective home country;
Same as (3) above

(6) emgency contact details (email, phone) of the tenant's parents/guardians; and
[B]Same as (3) above


Coincidentally, section 32 and 70 also mention, JMB/MC can make by-laws that are:-

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4) JMB/MC also can issue written notice to any proprietor/tenants pertaining to the complaint toward them, after 2 written notices send, JMB/MC may proceed with further action.

Action can be taken if the by-laws provides for it. I presume what you say means the by law already provides for it.

5) for AirBnB, if this building is under residential title, just report to PTG/licensing Dept where they are misuse residential parcel for commercial use;
no comment.


6) If this is commercial title, introduce additional by law for air-bnb, for example, to install emergency sign at all common staircase, to install mimic diagram, just imagine if u in a hotel, what u will see and impose those to airbnb owner.
no comment but i would agree even if its for residential property as additional by law requirement.

7) This is due to under current law, if this is commercial title, u cannot restrict them to use as commercial. U only can create more rules to make them difficult to carry such business.
Same concept applies for residential.

8) Another way is to create some access point to mail room like access card, so that those people unable to access to the mail room to take the key.
yes, one way is to introduce more access control points.


QUOTE(hanhanhan @ May 28 2019, 12:47 AM)
airbnb still falls under residential use.
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Can't comment without any proper reference.

Typically common law occupancy principles on a land is classified as follows:-
(a) trespassers
(b) visitors
© licensee
(d) tenant
(e) lessees

Each type of different occupant would impose different type of obligation on the owner.

Example: the owner digs a pit on his land, assuming you are a trespasser and you fall and injure yourself, compared to a tenant, what is the liability to the owner? Would a trespasser have more right compared to a tenant or vice versa?

In simplest of terms an Airbnb is merely a licensee.

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QUOTE(hanhanhan @ Jun 4 2019, 12:21 AM)
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airbnb, simply put, is short term rental. Thus airbnb guests are deemed to be tenants in the eyes of the law.

you, as the proprietor (property owner), surrender full access of usage of your parcel (unit) together with the rights of a parcel owner (right to use the common facilities subject to the management's house rules & regulations) for a certain period of time (number of days' stay). During their stay, you legally do not have any right to access the property or the common area (as you have already surrendered the right of usage to your tenant/airbnb guest).

an airbnb guest is no different from a monthly/yearly tenant in the eyes of the law. They are considered a 'tenant', and airbnb guests are regarded as 'short term tenant'.

The definition of 'short term rental' is not defined under the law, however the municipal council passed the baton to the building management to come up with their own definitions.

You can check in the Deed of Mutual Covenants (most, if not all, of the condo/apartment/serviced apartment/ gated & guarded landed strata houses has one) whether short term rental is forbidden by the Developer & subsequently adopted by the JMB/MC upon their formation.

Licensee, however, refers to a 'guest' in layman terms. If you ask ur friend to come into your condo, he is an visitor/invitee/licensee (which means the same under the law) who has mere access to your unit (or the common area) but no exclusive access to it (meaning he can't lock you out of your house without you getting pissed off)

a tenant/licensee/invitee/visitor ceases to be one, once they no longer have your permission or consent, whereupon they will become trespassers.

A lessee however legally means someone who has leased the property/building/land for a term exceeding 3 years, and has the right to register his lease onto the individual title/strata title of the property.
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Once you read the following case:-

Verve Suites Mont Kiara Management Corporation v Innab Salil and 20 Others (Kuala Lumpur High Court Civil Suit No. WA-22NCVC-461-09/2017)

Do tell me whether you wish to revise your response.

You can also read:

https://blog.burgielaw.com/2018/11/09/strata-management-case-updates-11-how-can-one-stop-air-bnb-or-short-term-rentals/
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The decision of a court typically stands until they are overruled by either a superior court or legislation through parliament. Even if a decision isn't favourable, it stands.

So for those reading and those providing their views, we should always present our case based on prevailing authorities (despite differing views).

Aside from the above, I think its also pertinent that one does not make baseless allegations/assertions without first providing source or reference.
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QUOTE(edyek @ Jun 6 2019, 12:09 AM)
thumbup.gif  notworthy.gif Couldn't have say it any better. You should have type this in your last post. So I won't type so much kok.  tongue.gif
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I think when we come to a forum, we present our views as lay-persons. If however, a person professes he/she is of a particular profession/specialist than there is a higher standard on him/her to present a proper view/case.

I believe lawyers r called "officers of the court" for a reason.
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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 13 2019, 02:11 AM)
BurgieLaws' Strata Management Case Updates 12 – Can MC prohibits foreigners from renting?  >>>> this 2018 case seems to say that you can have House Rules/additional by-laws that discriminates against certain nationality. Is that a correct interpretation? 

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Curious, can please share which section of strata title act says this?

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Is this loss of rights a common law principle or coming from statute?

What happens if an owner does not live in the unit but rents out room by room? Very common eg condos near colleges. Every now and then, he will need to access the unit to show an empty room to prospective tenants, or to do repairs, or to check up on cleanliness etc

- Can the jmb/mc make additional by-law to say that he must surrender his access card, failing which it will be deactivated? That he must register as a visitor when he enters the condo?

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Notice of 1st AGM & subsequent AGMs

Form 14 of the Strata Management (Maintenance & Management) Regulations - SMMMR - specifies the notice of the 1st AGM & its contents (agenda items). Do all the same agenda items have to be included in subsequent AGMs? Can certain or any agenda items be omitted?

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Question about making/amending additional by-laws:

I think 757 says that JMB/MC can make/amend additional by-laws by special resolution which needs 21 days' notice. Instead of convening an EGM, let's say an MC decides to propose additional by-laws at the AGM. So instead of 14 days notice, the MC will have to give 21 days' notice, right?

Assuming an owner wants to propose a by-law at that AGM, must he give 21 days' notice? OR can he use Rule 12(2) of the SMMMR  and write in "not less than seven days before the AGM" to propose a motion to adopt the additional by-law he drafted?

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Sorry, many off-topic questions. Dunno where to ask & this current thread seems the best place & most number of knowledgeable ppl  rclxms.gif

aurora97  ulala2  hanhanhan  please chime in. TQ  nod.gif
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BurgieLaws' Strata Management Case Updates 12 – Can MC prohibits foreigners from renting? >>>> this 2018 case seems to say that you can have House Rules/additional by-laws that discriminates against certain nationality. Is that a correct interpretation?


We are reading something that is summarized. Also, that is someone else account of what happened. Plain reading itself, there is no discrimination at all. The court allowed gave priority to the by laws and interpreted the wordings to the letter.

I though the things I have mentioned earlier was extreme but actually its child's play LOL... rclxub.gif . This is an interesting case indeed. Thanks for bringing it up.


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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 19 2019, 07:26 PM)
What if an owner or his agent simply clones the card & gives the clone to the tenant to use? Can say it's highly unlikely the owner would do that but I know of condos where agents manage multiple units belonging to "old uncle" owners who dun want the hassle & the risk of cloning (& bypassing the mgt office) is higher
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There will be periodic reviews or system will flag for multiple entry.

Some managemenr will deactivate of of the units access card and lodge police report.

The owner will have to redo all his access card to regain accesa to his unit.

If you r not caught sure but if u r caught... n have to deal with the police... lol...

 

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