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 Ultimate Discussions of ASB1/2-Financing, questions/comments/criticisms welcome

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viole
post May 2 2019, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 02:23 PM)
I have clients as young as one born in 1999 (daddy kasi). Father would become a joint applicant, the child will continue paying once reach the age of 25 when she would be stably working
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> Young awek
> Dadikasi rich girl

Now this thread going places. Drillz plox.
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post May 2 2019, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 04:45 PM)
OK la I let you in on it. The risk of ASB-f:

1. start of the year, you start paying your installment for the next 12 months at the rate of 4.85% p.a on RM200k that you borrowed.
2. next year, when distribution is announce. ZERO! No distribution!
3. You wasted 4.85% on RM200k paying interests for nothing!

That's about it I guess. You won't go bankrupt since your loan balance would be reduced to lesser than RM200k. When you close the account, the RM200k remains as is, the bank would only take the loan balance that is due to them
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Why there is no distribution on the following year? The dividen should count 11/12 of the 200k if im not mistaken.
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post May 2 2019, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(raito-kun @ May 2 2019, 08:52 PM)
Hi, i am new to this ASB thing. Let say i have 200k on hand to spare rite now, can i park it in ASB instead of taking ASB loan? Is there such scheme in the first place?

And what is the duration expected to reach let say RM1 mil at the dividend rate of 6%. Thanks.
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Can. Around 30 years?
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post Jul 7 2019, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Darkripper @ Jul 7 2019, 04:01 PM)
So non-bumi can get it or not?  :confused:
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Cannn. Need to potong.
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post Jul 7 2019, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Jul 7 2019, 04:07 PM)
Returns is so now.
Still worth to take loan?
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Still got profit.
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post Dec 15 2019, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 15 2019, 08:31 AM)
can you empty your ASB and ASB2 to say, ASM and ASM2, then take 200k loan for ASB and 200k loan for ASB2??

would be better no?
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can.

but later he tell you asm asm2 also he full already.
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post Dec 15 2019, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 15 2019, 08:39 AM)
There are six fixed-price funds available to invest in. If you already have those filled up, you likely already know what you are doing.
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how about asb2? do we have loan scheme for that?
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post Dec 15 2019, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 15 2019, 08:42 AM)
So nice,  with these investment just concentrate on the career n retired as multi millionaire unlike doing biz with risk. Wonder is this only happening in Malaysia?
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the fun actually starts when you put 200k in your children account. easily millionaire by 30 years old and counting.

then they replicate the same for generations.
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post Dec 15 2019, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 15 2019, 08:48 AM)
Not yet, I doubt it is coming anytime soon. They do not know how to do with excess capital since they are too new, at least compared to ASB which already has funds and prior investments due to its age
I know right? Plenty of people have made millions from ASB FInancing schemes. It is open to all races, Bumiputra as well as Non-Bumiputra. But it has a caveat:

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By 18 you should ask them if they would like to open their own account, as they should be given the opportunity to invest on their own too. But I have been have young, 19 year olds to open ASB-financing as my clients. Their parents are paying and guaranteeing the financing of course

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fuhh the perks of dadikasi.

i wish i had it but well, not everyone is lucky enough.

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post Dec 15 2019, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 15 2019, 09:20 AM)
What if the dividend keep on reducing to a level at par with loan interest?
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then you can just cancel the loan. thats the beauty of asb loan. cancel anytime when you want.
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post Dec 15 2019, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 15 2019, 10:30 AM)
I don't know why I've arrived at a different conclusion to my initial expectation.

It seems, if you've 200k capital, it's better not to take the loan.

Alt 1:
Cash 200k

Alt 2:
Loan 200k + put all your cash in ASB2.

Conclusion: Alt 1 > Alt 2

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Alternative 2, invest with loan.. where do you get that 283k?

Seems like you did not calculate the compounding interest of the loan.

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post Dec 15 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 15 2019, 11:09 AM)
the 283k is the profit from taking a 200k loan (also shown in page 1, although that internet calculator got some a slight error).

I did my own calculations but all these figures tally with the info TS posted in page 1. Loan compounding interest already included.
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lol. that 283k is the diff between hard cash monthly deposit with loan.

to me, the approach is like this.

say you have 200k cash. and you have the 2 option you described.

Option A - Put in all 200k in ASB 1

As you have calculated, you will get RM1,812,450.97.


Option B - Put 200k in ASB 2, take loan 200k for ASB1


1) as you have calculated, loan 200k asb1 will give you RM1,812,450.97.

2) but you need to pay loan to bank. so your cost will be - RM416,665.20

3) as you have calculated, 200k asb2 will give you RM1,302,765.00.


so total Option A vs Option B :

Option A : rm 1.8 M

Option B : rm 1.8M + rm 1.3M - rm 0.4 M



No brainer which to take right?

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post Dec 15 2019, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 15 2019, 11:27 AM)
My problem with this calculation is here: that's RM 416k!

This ignores the concept of time value of money in finance. While you did deposit 416k in total by 992/month in 35 years, this value worth way more if you had deposited the same amount in an alternative investment with similar return. In this case, I take ASB as a benchmark.

Which mean, this 416k that you deposited over time, actually worth 1.5 million in the future. Thus, in computing the net profit, I need to subtract this cost, which is 1.5 million!

Maybe my way of thinking is too complicated and wrong ....
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figures don't lie.

you already got your 1.5Million in the future actually. You have Rm1.8M in your asb1 because you took 200k loan.

and plus your rm1.3M from ASB2 which you got from 200k cash.

the way you think. It's like you want the interest without paying anything. and believe me, there's no free money dropping from sky.

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post Dec 15 2019, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(BRUNO75 @ Dec 15 2019, 11:34 AM)
what do u all think about dividend on this year?

throw up your number here!
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I say same like last year. 6.5 + 0.5


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post Dec 15 2019, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Dec 15 2019, 11:34 AM)
CUKUR LA ORG KITE
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Cukurrrr. But if you have 200k extra can jv together brows.gif
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post Dec 15 2019, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(shodan11 @ Dec 15 2019, 12:06 PM)
This. What holds most people from ASB loan/financing. Even they can see, won't acknowledge & probably ineligible to take it.

What matters is the total returns. 400k is the cost of investment.

Pay the bank 400k - get 1.8M after 35 years. (loan - 990/month)
Pay from your own pocket 400k - get 1.5M after 35 years. (own saving 990/month)
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And some argue saying bank earn more using his capital. And he's better off slowly accumulate that 200k.

I mean, dude. Does it matter if bank profit or not? What matters is you profit.

This is what i categorize as dengki as well.
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post Dec 16 2019, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Lada Putih @ Dec 16 2019, 08:27 AM)
I non bumi
Dapat masok ka
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post Jan 1 2020, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 1 2020, 01:08 PM)
ASNB app on your phone

On the app, you need to try to buy some units, then they will take you to the page where the will tell you what is your "baki boleh beli"

Do some maths, and you will know what your actual softcap is. Can ask here or any ASB threads if not sure

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How they calculate the softcap actually?
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post Jan 1 2020, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 1 2020, 01:17 PM)
Easy. The accumulation of your distribution.

1. For example, you opened your ASB account in Dec 2018, you got an ASBF for RM200,000 and it was deposited into you account on Dec 2018

2. You won't get any distribution for Jan 2019 because of the monthly-minimum balance of Dec 2018 being 0

3. In Jan 2020, you will be getting RM11,000 as your distribution. Your softcap has increased by RM11,000 now and will not reduce even if you withdraw the RM11,000 you have just earned

4. Throughout 2020, you have been leaving RM211,000 in your ASB account. In Jan 2021, the distribution was announced at 6%. You earn RM12,660. Now you softcap has further been increased by RM12,660, thus bringing your total softcap to RM23,660.

5. Your balance in now RM223,660.  Suppose you withdraw RM23,660 form the account. Your balance is now RM200,000. Your softcap remains at RM23,660, which means you can deposit this much money into your account in the future if you want to
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As i suspected so. This softcap is only useful for withdrawal and plan for re investment in future.

But for those who intend to keep the cash inside, then the softcap doesnt mean anything.

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post Jan 1 2020, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 1 2020, 01:26 PM)
Yes but sometimes you would need to use this cash that you have earned through the distributions, consider it as an emergency fund. People who are not eligible for ASB have to go through FD, which has lower rate of return and locked down for months at a time to get the best rates.

We have access to this case and can use it anytime, and when we want to deposit the cash back in, we are welcome to do so. Isn't that wonderful?
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Well if you put it that way. But here hoping i would never be in that tough spot till have to rely on asb fund. Once you withdraw even for one day, it will mess up the returns for next year because of lowest balance calculation.

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