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marmite
post Jun 20 2007, 11:27 PM


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hello

My friend got a place in UNIMAS for Sains Kognitive (cognitive science)

can anyone tell me what is that, and what job prospect?

i have to advice her to go or not to go, but i dunno what the heck is that

btw, she study ART in STPM
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post Jun 20 2007, 11:47 PM


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Wow from art stream to cognitive science?

IINM it's a branch of psychology (or somehow related) which deals mainly on the functions of the brain
A lot more info in Wikipedia, just read up yourself
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post Jun 21 2007, 02:39 AM


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Cognitive Science would be another name for Psychology in this case. To know exactly what you are gonna learn(cause psychology has made areas or study), better contact the uni.

In Malaysia, you would probably end up as a counselor in a school or a criminologist in the police force.

You could open up your own clinic but the demand for clinical psychologist is very low here.
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jun 21 2007, 02:39 AM)
Cognitive Science would be another name for Psychology in this case. To know exactly what you are gonna learn(cause psychology has made areas or study), better contact the uni.

In Malaysia, you would probably end up as a counselor in a school or a criminologist in the police force.

You could open up your own clinic but the demand for clinical psychologist is very low here.
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is it??i nvr heard bout tis corse b4..but the job scope is not big in msia..
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post Jun 21 2007, 08:29 AM


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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jun 21 2007, 02:39 AM)
Cognitive Science would be another name for Psychology in this case. To know exactly what you are gonna learn(cause psychology has made areas or study), better contact the uni.

In Malaysia, you would probably end up as a counselor in a school or a criminologist in the police force.

You could open up your own clinic but the demand for clinical psychologist is very low here.
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IT IS NOT PSYCHOLOGY.
It does have parts of psychology thrown in but it's a mixture of psychology + compsci + linguistics + AI.
<Somehow I feel Noam Chomsky fits in this category. Google if you want to know who Chomsky is -> but skip his political opinions>

From wikipedia:
"In any way, the essential questions of cognitive science seem to be: What is intelligence? and How is it possible to model it computationally?"

Unfortunately locally it's a course for ppl who couldn't get what they want. Overseas esp in US/UK/Japan etc I would think this field is big on research.
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post Jun 21 2007, 04:23 PM


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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jun 21 2007, 02:39 AM)
Cognitive Science would be another name for Psychology in this case. To know exactly what you are gonna learn(cause psychology has made areas or study), better contact the uni.

In Malaysia, you would probably end up as a counselor in a school or a criminologist in the police force.

You could open up your own clinic but the demand for clinical psychologist is very low here.
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really??? blink.gif in my uni coqnitive science is in d same faculty with language wink.gif
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post Jun 21 2007, 06:28 PM


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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Jun 21 2007, 08:29 AM)
IT IS NOT PSYCHOLOGY.
It does have parts of psychology thrown in but it's a mixture of psychology + compsci + linguistics + AI.
<Somehow I feel Noam Chomsky fits in this category. Google if you want to know who Chomsky is -> but skip his political opinions>

From wikipedia:
"In any way, the essential questions of cognitive science seem to be: What is intelligence? and How is it possible to model it computationally?"

Unfortunately locally it's a course for ppl who couldn't get what they want. Overseas esp in US/UK/Japan etc I would think this field is big on research.
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Cognitive science may be a branch of psychology but in this situation, I dun think so. I think they are just giving a fancy name for their psychology course. As normally specialization occurs at Masters level. And psychology covers such a large area of study, cognitive ability is just one of them.

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post Jun 21 2007, 08:50 PM


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Cognitive Science is the study of how the brain learns things. Like how the brain learns a new language, or how kids learn to ride a bike, how come people get addicted to smoking, etc...Studies on Cognitive Sciences normally lead to either research on child learning, artificial intelligence, habit breaking, neuro-linguistic programming, study of language structures and and others.

You should check out the modules in the course. Should include lots of psychology modules and language modules.

Lots of jobs in developed countries, like counselor, or AI engineer, or disabled people learning assistance research, etc. Check the modules in the university and do try to meet up with one of the university staff to get them to explain it to you.

Cognitive Sciences as this is a branch in Psychology which is a branch in Arts.

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post Jun 22 2007, 11:46 PM


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i am a current student at UNIMAS also, i am in the same faculty with cognitive sciences, but i am taking counselling. Well, some of you have mentioned it right. it included how brains works, +psychology + compsci + linguistics + AI. mathematics also they learn.

kuching is a peaceful place to do ur studies indeed. it's not very very busy city like KL, more or less like Sabah. and ppl there are very frenly and helpful. i am a sabahan indeed. the hostels there are very comfortable which is all apartment.

haha, talk too much about UNIMAS. cognitive science course has very less coursemate, it has only about 22 students each batch. got anything else wanna know, u may PM me.
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post Jun 23 2007, 01:09 AM


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if cognitive science is taking art based students, it must be to do with the science of thinking. as part of what im studying now, it relates to education (cognitive thinking).

im just saying the possibility of the scope of the course, though...
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post Jun 19 2008, 02:37 PM


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to KUMANG, please PM me, i don't know how to get to you, ur kumang@live.com is invalid or wat?? please email me or pm me with a VALID lowyat account or EMAIL account. I DID reply you since the first time u emailed me. thanks! i'm here to help, but please help yourself to let me access you first.
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post Jun 18 2010, 09:49 PM


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QUOTE(scottceong @ Jun 22 2007, 11:46 PM)
i am a current student at UNIMAS also, i am in the same faculty with cognitive sciences, but i am taking counselling. Well, some of you have mentioned it right. it included how brains works, +psychology + compsci + linguistics + AI. mathematics also they learn.

kuching is a peaceful place to do ur studies indeed. it's not very very busy city like KL, more or less like Sabah. and ppl there are very frenly and helpful. i am a sabahan indeed. the hostels there are very comfortable which is all apartment.

haha, talk too much about UNIMAS. cognitive science course has very less coursemate, it has only about 22 students each batch. got anything else wanna know, u may PM me.
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hye glad to bump into u here. my bro get cognitive science. so can you brief me about it ?like what they will learn in uni etc. more to research or what? we r all bit lost about what is cognitive science O.o
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Added on June 18, 2010, 9:53 pm
QUOTE(marmite @ Jun 20 2007, 11:27 PM)
hello

My friend got a place in UNIMAS for Sains Kognitive (cognitive science)

can anyone tell me what is that, and what job prospect?

i have to advice her to go or not to go, but i dunno what the heck is that

btw, she study ART in STPM
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same like my brother. if she go, they will meet brows.gif .

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i thought cognitives sciences should be more to counselling and psychology,
it is not a sub branch of life sciences.
anyone mind to clarify?

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post Jun 22 2010, 03:45 PM


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QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 19 2010, 11:18 AM)
i thought cognitives sciences should be more to counselling and psychology,
it is not a sub branch of life sciences.
anyone mind to clarify?
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I'm seeing alot of icon_question.gif signs here.
Sedih. sad.gif

Okay, lemme try to explain. sweat.gif


Cognitive science is the branch of science relate to: intelligence.
When we say intelligence, we refer to: how the brain works.
Cognition, is defined as : the mental processes of the brain.

And by now you might be thinking what cognitive scientists do are cut up brains and put them in a jar like doctors do. NO.

What CS (not CounterStrike mind you) is, you may already encounter in your daily life. cool2.gif

There is a reason why everytime you Google "Cognitive Science" there are results showing that it is related to almost everything including life sciences, philosophy, linguistics, psychology, artificial intelligence, neuroscience and anthropology. rclxub.gif

Now try to think about this: How do computers work?
Lets take the basics, memory storage in a computer. Isn't there a similar pattern of how we humans store memory with the way a human store data?Yes.
Btw, CS in UNIMAS involves some programming, so brace yourselves.
And now, compare how a baby's brain develops with an adult's. Do they process info similarly? What happens during their life stages?
That is where psychology and anthropology comes in.
Then if you are able to think a lot, how do you express these thoughts into channels that make others understand you in your interactions? There you go, linguistics.
And since programming is also a language, it makes sense.
There are also parts of the brain that function for different purposes. Yep, neuroscience.
And artificial intelligence fits in because after you've answered my first question above, you know that machines can imitate humans. CS allows us to ask Can machines EVER be intelligent? If they can imitate what we can do such as decision making and to think rationally, does that make em smart? shocking.gif
Plus, there's also philosophy involved. But don't worry, its fun. rclxm9.gif

Then there's the job prospects. You can choose, to be a psychologist, or a computer programmer, or an human factor specialist, or a linguist, or a computer game developer wub.gif , or an inventor, anything. More and more jobs are created each day anyways. Plus, UNIMAS is among the first to teach Pure CS, so there's lots of potential rclxm9.gif

The human brain is the only organ that the world doesn't understand yet. thumbup.gif


Its a tough course, yeah. But there's never a course that's easy.
I'm not trying to scare you.
But, its really an exciting course.
I may be wrong, so, this doesn't really represent CS as a whole. So, go research sum more! Heheh




I just hope that answers a bit of the questions.





(Btw, I'm studying CS at UNIMAS.)


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post Jun 22 2010, 03:52 PM


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Wah...3 year old topic can come back up. His/her friend also graduate edi lo~
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may i know where to get CS reference books?
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post Jan 30 2012, 01:09 PM


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QUOTE(HatikuTerAccident @ Jun 22 2010, 03:45 PM)
I'm seeing alot of  icon_question.gif signs here.
Sedih.  sad.gif

Okay, lemme try to explain.  sweat.gif
Cognitive science is the branch of science relate to: intelligence.
When we say intelligence, we refer to: how the brain works.
Cognition, is defined as : the mental processes of the brain.

And by now you might be thinking what cognitive scientists do are cut up brains and put them in a jar like doctors do. NO. 

What CS (not CounterStrike mind you) is, you may already encounter in your daily life.  cool2.gif

There is a reason why everytime you Google "Cognitive Science" there are results showing that it is related to almost everything including life sciences, philosophy, linguistics, psychology, artificial intelligence, neuroscience and anthropology.  rclxub.gif

Now try to think about this: How do computers work?
Lets take the basics, memory storage in a computer. Isn't there a similar pattern of how we humans store memory with the way a human store data?Yes.
Btw, CS in UNIMAS involves some programming, so brace yourselves.
And now, compare how a baby's brain develops with an adult's. Do they process info similarly? What happens during their life stages?
That is where psychology and anthropology comes in.
Then if you are able to think a lot, how do you express these thoughts into channels that make others understand you in your interactions? There you go, linguistics.
And since programming is also a language, it makes sense.
There are also parts of the brain that function for different purposes. Yep, neuroscience.
And artificial intelligence fits in because after you've answered my first question above, you know that machines can imitate humans. CS allows us to ask Can machines EVER be intelligent? If they can imitate what we can do such as decision making and to think rationally, does that make em smart?  shocking.gif
Plus, there's also philosophy involved.  But don't worry, its fun.  rclxm9.gif 

Then there's the job prospects. You can choose, to be a psychologist, or a computer programmer, or an human factor specialist, or a linguist, or a computer game developer  wub.gif , or an inventor, anything. More and more jobs are created each day anyways. Plus, UNIMAS is among the first to teach Pure CS, so there's lots of potential rclxm9.gif

The human brain is the only organ that the world doesn't understand yet.  thumbup.gif


Its a tough course, yeah. But there's never a course that's easy. 
I'm not trying to scare you.
But, its really an exciting course.
I may be wrong, so, this doesn't really represent CS as a whole. So, go research sum more! Heheh
I just hope that answers a bit of the questions.
(Btw, I'm studying CS at UNIMAS.)
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Hi..thx for ur explaination..bt i still hav some questions hope tat u can help me to solve them..i m a stpm student..i m in sc class bt now i m considering to take psycology..shud i choose cs or psycology since cs has something to do with psycology...
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post Jan 30 2012, 01:46 PM


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A common misconception is that all Psychology students are studying counselling or clinical psychology but you're right, there is a lot of overlap between cognitive science and psychology. Personally, i'm a Psychology student but i take way more courses pertaining to memory, attention, psycholinguistics, brain and behaviour, neuroimaging etc. which is pretty much cognitive science stuff. I'd say that if you choose to do Psychology, you'll have a little exposure to the clinical psychology stuff in addition to cognitive psychology. If you're pretty sure clinical is not your cup of tea, then by all means, go for cognitive science! It is a very exciting field! smile.gif
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post Jan 30 2012, 02:55 PM


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@tnayin

A common misconception is that all Psychology students are studying counselling or clinical psychology but you're right, there is a lot of overlap between cognitive science and psychology. Personally, i'm a Psychology student but i take way more courses pertaining to memory, attention, psycholinguistics, brain and behaviour, neuroimaging etc. which is pretty much cognitive science stuff. I'd say that if you choose to do Psychology, you'll have a little exposure to the clinical psychology stuff in addition to cognitive psychology. If you're pretty sure clinical is not your cup of tea, then by all means, go for cognitive science! It is a very exciting field! smile.gif
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Added on January 30, 2012, 2:57 pmSounds like very interesting..btw does psychology has sth to do with bio n chem?? Wat bout psychiatric?? Wat pathway shud i take?

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Added on January 30, 2012, 2:57 pmSounds like very interesting..btw does psychology has sth to do with bio n chem?? Wat bout psychiatric?? Wat pathway shud i take?
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Psychology is the study of brain and behaviour. The brain part of it can be rather neuroscience-y, involving the study of hormones, neurotransmitters and other brain + body chemistry. That's where biology and chemistry comes in. More on biology though.

Are you up for the arduous years of med school? If you want to be a psychiatrist, you do your degree (in whatever related field), become a medical student, doctor, and then later specialize in psychiatry.

Hope this helps wink.gif
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Psychology is the study of brain and behaviour. The brain part of it can be rather neuroscience-y, involving the study of hormones, neurotransmitters and other brain + body chemistry. That's where biology and chemistry comes in. More on biology though.

Are you up for the arduous years of med school? If you want to be a psychiatrist, you do your degree (in whatever related field), become a medical student, doctor, and then later specialize in psychiatry.

Hope this helps wink.gif
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Thx...tis is really helpful...now i need to wait my result to see whether i m qualified to take medicine...i did try to find some info bout psychology..it had so many branch..educatinal social comparative n soon on...i will need to choose which onr i wan or i will get to learn everything??
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Thx...tis is really helpful...now i need to wait my result to see whether i m qualified to  take medicine...i did try to find some info bout psychology..it had so many branch..educatinal social comparative n soon on...i will need to choose which onr i wan or i will get to learn everything??
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At the undergraduate level, you pretty much learn the basics of everything. Well actually everything is kind of an overstatement because the field is so wide you might not even get to the basics of some less mainstream fields of Psychology. Personally, i like to take a course or two here and there, to figure out what i like and don't like and eventually narrow it down to something more specific. And then at graduate level, you'd probably be in a program that's more specific to the branch of Psychology you prefer. Also at the undergraduate level, a lot of what you learn will apply across the different branch, so yeah, more general wink.gif
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