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TSIntimidated
post Mar 27 2019, 07:27 PM, updated 7y ago


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This is what I learned from the session earlier today. Those who were there, feel free to correct me, or share more if I missed out anything.

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- Grab drivers are not employee of Grab, so will not be exempted from filing taxes, even if earning below RM4k a month.

- Grab drivers, part time or full time, must use "Borang B" to submit income tax filing. Those who driving part time while having a salary from employer, also must use "Borang B" to declare both Grab income and salary together.

- Grab drivers that didn't declare income generated from Grab for year 2017 (and before), may voluntarily do so now with penalty.

-- Declare between now to March 31 = 10% penalty
-- Declare between April 1 to June 30 = 15% penalty
-- Declare after June 30 = 45% penalty

- After you declare those income, you will receive a "PKPS" letter, saying LHDN received your declaration and will not do further audit on your income tax.

- This is not applicable for those currently under investigation by LHDN.

- For year 2018 income, please proceed to file your taxes using "Borang B" following the LHDN guidelines. Which means, you must have the receipts to prove your filing if you are audited. You must keep them for 7 years.

- For voluntary declaration for 2017 (and before) income, as you might not have the receipts anymore, please file using reasonable estimate. LHDN have professionals that might approach you if any discrepency is found.

More info on SVDP: http://www.hasil.gov.my/bt_goindex.php?bt_...sequ=1&bt_lgv=2


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A Grab driver complain, since Grab never provided "annual statement", he wasn't able to file in time to qualify for 10% penalty. He likely will have to pay 15% penalty. So why LHDN can't make it mandatory for Grab to issue annual statement in the first place?

- Grab drivers are not employees of Grab, therefore, LHDN can only strongly request Grab to come up with annual statement.

- Weekly statements are provided by Grab. It's hard to consolidate, but it's not impossible, therefore one should be able to file and pay on time.

- According to the Grab representative at the venue, Grab is working on creating "annual statement" for Grab drivers. No specific timeline given.


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How to calculate your taxable income?

- All reasonable cost incurred to generate revenue are "exempted".

- Gym membership is not "reasonable cost", because not all Grab drivers need a gym membership in order to earn money with Grab. But you can claim it under "lifestyle exemption" which has an upper limit of RM2.5k.

- You cannot "claim" or "deduct" car loan repayment, but you can do so for its interest. For example, if out of the monthly repayment of RM500, RM50 is interest, you can "deduct" the RM50 interest as business expense.

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Example of how to do the calculation. The numbers are randomly filled, this is just to show how the calculation goes.

TOTAL REVENUE COLLECTED = RM30k
TOTAL COMMISSION PAID TO GRAB = RM6k

GROSS PROFIT = RM30k - RM6k = RM24K

PETROL = 9K
MAINTENANCE = 5K
INTEREST ON CAR LOAN = 1K
CAR INSURANCE = 1K

TOTAL EXPENDITURE = RM16K

NET PROFIT = [SALARY (for part timer drivers that have a job) + GROSS PROFIT] - TOTAL EXPENDITURE = (RM0 + RM24k) - RM16K = RM8K

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TAXABLE INCOME = NET PROFIT - INDIVIDUAL TAX EXEMPTIONS

INDIVIDUAL TAX EXEMPTIONS = this is all the stuff like medical insurance, etc etc. Refer to this table for what you can claim and up to what amount: http://www.hasil.gov.my/bt_goindex.php?bt_...sequ=1&bt_lgv=2

So if my total tax exemption come up to 5k,

TAXABLE INCOME = RM8k - RM5k = RM3k

Then check this table to see what is your tax rate. Voila, that's the amount you have to pay.

http://www.hasil.gov.my/bt_goindex.php?bt_...equ=11&bt_lgv=2


There might be "rebates" or "zakat" that can further reduce the amount to be paid. If not sure, please check with your nearest branch of LHDN for most accurate information.


This post has been edited by Intimidated: Mar 27 2019, 07:36 PM
TSIntimidated
post Mar 27 2019, 07:44 PM


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QUOTE(2feidei @ Mar 27 2019, 07:43 PM)
Question to ask LHDN

Since cannot claim or deduct car loan repayment, does the car qualify as capital asset that to be claim capital allowance, like company?

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Nope, because you are a self employed individual, not a company. biggrin.gif
TSIntimidated
post Mar 27 2019, 07:58 PM


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QUOTE(2feidei @ Mar 27 2019, 07:54 PM)
Lel....not fair  ranting.gif

can I say, I create a company where the company own the car, I sewa the car, back to back to the car loan. Then, ask Grab to instead of pay me, pay to the company. Then, I can claim capital allowance for the car lor, plus whatever expenses associated with Grabbing charge into the company. Then, the company pay me salary/ fees or whatever u want to call it lah, after deducting all the expenses. Then, from there, I also got my personal allowance.

Can or not?  whistling.gif

Use back your example

TOTAL REVENUE COLLECTED = RM30k
TOTAL COMMISSION PAID TO GRAB = RM6k

GROSS PROFIT = RM30k - RM6k = RM24K

PETROL = 9K
MAINTENANCE = 5K
INTEREST ON CAR LOAN = 1K
CAR INSURANCE = 1K
CAPITAL ALLOWANCE = 20K

NET LOSS = [SALARY (for part timer drivers that have a job) + GROSS PROFIT] - TOTAL EXPENDITURE = (RM0 + RM24k) - RM16K - 20K = RM12K aka No tax
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Don't think Grab allows companies to register at this point biggrin.gif since their plan for regulation also tailored to individuals (eg: applying EKP and EVP on driver's behalf, source = https://www.grab.com/my/blog/driver/pursuin...ations-part-3/). So, unlikely they will allow this.

You will also need to report tax as a business anyway, so that's more works to do, not to mention the cost of running a Sdn Bhd biggrin.gif
TSIntimidated
post Mar 27 2019, 09:44 PM


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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Mar 27 2019, 09:36 PM)
Haha the loop hole is real when it comes with geek economy

Even trade currency is considered geek economy hahahaha
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Loop hole, as in, people can under declare their income? biggrin.gif

I can’t speak for LHDN, but the person giving the briefing did say, unless you live entirely on cash without any electronic transfer involving Malaysia banks, they will know you exist and it’s just a matter of time to look into you biggrin.gif

Probably to “persuade” the drivers to pay all undeclared incomes lol
TSIntimidated
post Jun 4 2019, 10:12 AM


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QUOTE(steleong @ Jun 3 2019, 09:08 PM)
Hi, tumpang asking. I stay in Ipoh and I purposely go to KL to do grab. I rented hotel for stay. Can I claim the hotel rental as expenses?
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Nope

Only expenses incurred to generate revenue can be claimed. Which can be understood as, only expenses incurred while you are in a trip with passenger can be claimed.

In that sense, your car rental can claim, because you are using the car during the trip with passenger. Petrol too, but of course it’s very hard to separate “personal use” and “business use” when it comes to petrol or car rental (you might’ve used the rental car for personal use more than for grab), so LHDN will accept deductions that makes sense.

Like, RM50 per 300km of petrol deduction makes sense, but not RM50 per 50km of petrol.

So, your food, your house loan, car loan, hotel fee, cannot claim.

 

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