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TSRaddus
post Mar 23 2019, 01:40 AM, updated 6y ago

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Following two fatal crashes and the eventual grounding of the Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft, it has been revealed that the plane had two safety features that were sold as optional extras. The New York Times reveals that the additional sensors would have checked on data collected by existing sensors, and could have alerted pilots to potential issues.

Specifically, the 737 Max 8 of Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines lacked an “angle of attack (AOA) disagree” light. To clarify, the AOA sensors essentially detects if the plane is about to stall, based on the direction the plane’s nose is pointing in relation to the airflow. And when two AOA sensors present data that don’t match, the AOA disagree light will light up to indicate so.

Another feature that was missing was an AOA indicator. Unlike the AOA sensor, the indicator is designed to translate the data from AOA sensors into a visual representation.

A source close to the New York Times also said that the AOA disagree light will be added as part of an update to the MCAS. The update in question is expected to be deployed by the end of April, and will also have the MCAS take readings from both AOA sensors instead of just one. That said, it looks like the AOA indicator will remain an optional extra.

These are just two items on a list of optional extras Boeing charges airlines. If anything, this is a scenario where microtransactions are so bad, they cost lives instead of money when an airline decides to save a few ringgit.

https://www.lowyat.net/amp/2019/181377/boei...ptional-extras/
yeezai
post Mar 23 2019, 01:43 AM

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Knn beoing should be held responsible la ..safety feature must come as standard ma ...
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post Mar 23 2019, 01:45 AM

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its like toyota honda selling cars wif no airbags seatbelt abs ebd tcs etc and ask u to pay xtra to have them included
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post Mar 23 2019, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Mar 23 2019, 01:43 AM)
Knn beoing should be held responsible la ..safety feature must come as standard ma ...
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It's as if Tony fernandes is boieng CEO
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post Mar 23 2019, 01:51 AM

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Dafuk, a safety feature comes as a DLC? bugima
ar188
post Mar 23 2019, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 23 2019, 01:45 AM)
its like toyota honda selling cars wif no airbags seatbelt abs ebd tcs etc and ask u to pay xtra to have them included
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normal ma. low end spec 2 airbag, high end 10 airbag. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 23 2019, 01:55 AM

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boycott boeing
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post Mar 23 2019, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 23 2019, 01:52 AM)
normal ma. low end spec 2 airbag, high end 10 airbag. biggrin.gif
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But airplane and car diff ..car accident got survival chance..plane got shit happen all hamkachan
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Mar 23 2019, 01:58 AM)
But airplane and car diff ..car accident got survival chance..plane got shit happen all hamkachan
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why remove the engineer also. must put back 1more in cockpit wei.
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 23 2019, 02:00 AM)
why remove the engineer also. must put back 1more in cockpit wei.
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Normally how many ppl in cawkpit?
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Mar 23 2019, 01:58 AM)
But airplane and car diff ..car accident got survival chance..plane got shit happen all hamkachan
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Then every plane in the world must be fully max upgrade level 100 with divine spell protection and equip legendary armour?

Can be done... You willing to pay for the air ticket?
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 23 2019, 02:02 AM)
Then every plane in the world must be fully max upgrade level 100 with divine spell protection and equip legendary armour?

Can be done... You willing to pay for the air ticket?
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Pay no problem if every flight company outthere oso using high spec only plane.then the ticket would be regulated.it seems the company not willing to buy full spec only ..
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Mar 23 2019, 02:01 AM)
Normally how many ppl in cawkpit?
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In earlier days, most larger aircraft were designed and built with a flight engineer's position. For U.S. civilian aircraft that require a flight engineer as part of the crew, the FE must possess an FAA Flight Engineer Certificate with reciprocating, turboprop, or turbojet ratings appropriate to the aircraft. Whereas the four-engine Douglas DC-4 did not require an FE, the FAA type certificates of subsequent four-engine reciprocating engine airplanes (DC-6, DC-7, Constellation, Boeing 307 and 377) and early three- and four-engine jets (Boeing 707, 727, early 747, DC-8, DC-10, L-1011) required flight engineers. Later three- and four-engine jets (MD-11, 747-400, and later) were designed with sufficient automation to eliminate the position.


they eliminated the position for the very reason their automations and sensors screwed up and crashed the plane. shocking.gif
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Mar 23 2019, 02:06 AM)
Pay no problem if every flight company outthere oso using high spec only plane.then the ticket would be regulated.it seems the company not willing to buy full spec only ..
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If every airline out there uses high spec only plane

It's like every car out there also is Volvo with all extra safety features

You are willing to pay that price? With no cheaper option?
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 23 2019, 02:08 AM)
If every airline out there uses high spec only plane

It's like every car out there also is Volvo with all extra safety features

You are willing to pay that price? With no cheaper option?
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this is an important security feature that must be included because without it the plane will crash, its like carmakers sell u cars that comes with no brakes, u can accept that?
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 23 2019, 02:08 AM)
If every airline out there uses high spec only plane

It's like every car out there also is Volvo with all extra safety features

You are willing to pay that price? With no cheaper option?
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Hmm mass production stuff will come with cheaper price tag ma hahaha..
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 23 2019, 02:11 AM)
this is an important security feature that must be included because without it the plane will crash, its like carmakers sell u cars that comes with no brakes, u can accept that?
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You aerospace engineer is it? Tell me more about this important security feature... How many aircraft have it and how many don't?

I'm all ears....

QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 23 2019, 02:06 AM)
they eliminated the position for the very reason their automations and sensors screwed up and crashed the plane.  shocking.gif
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And yet fatality rates have reduced since then

But no, automation bad, technology bad, bring back switchboard telephone operators!

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Mar 23 2019, 02:12 AM)
Hmm mass production stuff will come with cheaper price tag ma hahaha..
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Higher spec is higher spec

You willing to pay?

Or here's a better idea - don't fly. Take ship. 100% safety.

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Mar 23 2019, 02:13 AM
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:15 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 23 2019, 02:12 AM)

And yet fatality rates have reduced since then

But no, automation bad, technology bad, bring back switchboard telephone operators!

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its not a either/or option. i see you just like to argue for the sake of arguing rclxub.gif

engineer can complement and aid the functions of the onboard computers and sensors.
go watch more air crash investigation episodes. too many electronic failures caused by faulty automation
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 23 2019, 02:15 AM)
its not a either/or option. i see you just like to  argue for the sake of arguing  rclxub.gif

engineer can complement and aid the functions of the onboard computers and sensors.
go watch more air crash investigation episodes. too many electronic failures caused by faulty automation
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Isn't that what we do in K anyways laugh.gif pointless debate is the heart and soul of K

I think it's a decision we don't have the knowledge to understand. But overall the performance is improving even without engineer. So the argument for an engineer is hard to justify.
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post Mar 23 2019, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 23 2019, 02:20 AM)
Isn't that what we do in K anyways laugh.gif pointless debate is the heart and soul of K

I think it's a decision we don't have the knowledge to understand. But overall the performance is improving even without engineer. So the argument for an engineer is hard to justify.
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true. then maybe we just accept the 2 crashes as part of air travel risks. no need bother pursue justice wei.
we found root cause already
thank you for your service to root out this teething problem. sweat.gif

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