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RoosterGold
post Jan 6 2023, 12:04 PM

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My StashAway (SRI36) FIRE FUND has dipped y-o-y but this is in tandem with the year 2022 that has not been kind to most investors overall. Perhaps my expectations for StashAway to do better has been ill-placed as I expected at least +8% CAGR at the beginning of 2022 rather than -11% y-o-y losses for 2022. Still I am a firm believer that time in the market >> timing the market. Let's hope that StashAway (& the global markets) will in better in 2023 and beyond despite a looming recession underway.

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post Jan 7 2023, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Jan 6 2023, 04:12 PM)
Yeah just treat it as lesson from them

In fact this year with the new reopt should be quite steady with some small gains 👏
At least you still in the green a lot of others are still in the red
You exited before KWEB opt in? Or after

In fact if you go in now at 36% Sri it will be still in red for a while 🤦‍♀️

22% Sri and below should hold steady for a while
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@xander2k8, agreed as I count myself fortunate to have entered my positions in StashAway when I did. As mentioned time in the market is better than timing the market (most of the time & for the vast majority of investors).
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post Jan 7 2023, 09:39 AM

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Still, I can't say that I'm not disappointed with StashAway as I bought into their claims of their back-testing for Y2008 scenario during the peak of the US subprime mortgage crises & global recession where StashAway supposedly would have made double digit returns of +11.6% over a 3 year period after the crash. So I guess we have about two years or so to see if StashAway is able to deliver on those double digit returns or not.

Ref.: Google "StashAway: 2008 Backtest"

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post Jan 10 2023, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(rahsk @ Jan 8 2023, 11:02 PM)
does any one still have hope in stash away? any one stil profiting well?

i did for 3 years, dca-ed regularly, nothing worked out and i gave it all up
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Am a firm believer that time in the market >> timing the market.

Y2022 was definitely painful on my StashAway portfolio as I saw NAV diminish Y-o-Y though am still slightly up overall. Still, can't say I am not disappointed with StashAway's ERAA (with reference to their backtested 2008 scenario) which claimed double digit returns (11.4%) vs S&P500 with negative returns (-23.2%). I suppose shall give them another 3 years to live up to their claims.

(ref.: Google StashAway: 2008 Backtest)
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post Jan 13 2023, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(neverfap @ Jan 12 2023, 02:31 PM)
Took some time off from investing
Just started to invest not long ago

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Returns are similar to mine but don't be fooled by the Time-Weighted Return of around 30% since this is cumulative over the investment period. My actual CAGR is only 5%-6% at the moment for StashAway (SRI36).
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post Jan 14 2023, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jan 13 2023, 03:49 PM)
I'd take the 5-6% annualised return, anytime, in such a bad year considerably.
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Agreed considering how Y2022 was such a terrible year across multiple investments.
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post Jan 16 2023, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jan 13 2023, 04:20 PM)
Wow.. I don't even have 10k lol

What ETFs and how much allocations you have in your Fire Fund?
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My FIRE FUND on StashAway is the standard SRI 30.0% portofolio so currently has EWJ, ISAC, SPEM, VEU, XLE, XLK, XLV while the rest are bonds & commodities.
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post Jan 30 2023, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(whycanot323 @ Jan 26 2023, 03:48 PM)
i have invested during 2019 till now for 30k...
the app showing 30%.... but the 30% is totally misleading calc..

i did a calculation in excel , comparing if i placing FD with average promo rate of 12-18months each year.  for 2019 Jan to 2022 Jan...
basically past 4years FD can earn more than stashaway... PLUS no risk if go for FD
i have just decided to withdraw all my 30k from stashaway today

for new user that thinking to going in stashaway, my sugesstion is a big no, please dont
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CAGR (Compound Annual Grwoth Rate) is the yardstick across my various investments.

FD is relatively "safer" than investing equity since one's capital is protected with a fixed return but equity/stocks has more potential to grow over the medium to long term. I would suggest doing an analysis for the broad market like the S&P500 vs FD over a 10, 20 & 30 year period.
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post Jan 31 2023, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Jan 30 2023, 02:43 PM)
Factor in as well if there is dividend given out to be reinvested as well 👏
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Yes, this needs to be accounted for as well. Interests earning interests as well. The power of compounding!
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post Feb 1 2023, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(whycanot323 @ Jan 31 2023, 01:33 PM)
understood, maybe i miss out the 2017 ?
those from 2017, what are your CAGR ?
i believe 2019 to 2023 are not too short in term of investment period
i even top up during 2020 march to june during sharp fall...
still not much "earn" in true % compared to FD
dont follow the app return % shown, it is misleading calc....
again, im here to learn and share my view guys... dont shoot me if my thinking is different
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06-Sep-2019 = Assumed baseline of RM100k [Day 1]
31-Dec-2019 CAGR = +25.69% (NAV RM107,536.89)
31-Dec-2020 CAGR = +16.43% (NAV RM122,253.42)
31-Dec-2021 CAGR = +12.45% (NAV RM131,304.57)
31-Dec-2022 CAGR = +04.77% (NAV RM116,732.92)

As you can see, Y2022 has been a rather bad year with CAGR declining since I started investing in 2019.
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post Feb 3 2023, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 31 2023, 02:11 PM)
The attached image shows,
Individual SRI annualised performance Since individual portfolio SRI inception till end MAY 2022

For annualised data of till end Dec 2022, perhaps have to wait for them to publish.
If cannot wait, perhaps have to compile manually from their monthly portfolio reviews and commentary reports.

BTW, I think, since the data as in this image is in "annualised" value. I believes if after taking into consideration of data from end June till end Dec 2022... The annualised rate of some SRI will still be better than FD annualised from 2017/8 to end 2022
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Good to know!
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post Feb 9 2023, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(lolabunny123 @ Feb 8 2023, 07:31 PM)
Their BlackRock portfolios were re-optimised again effective today. Seems like the reoptimisation is quite frequent compared to the SA’s original portfolio.
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Am also concerned about these re-optimisation exercises carried out by StashAway. Not too sure if this has been done under StashAway's ERAA indicating a transition into another economic cycle perhaps?
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post Feb 13 2023, 02:21 PM

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Will the DJI dip further?
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post Feb 13 2023, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Feb 13 2023, 03:59 PM)
It is trading sideways but skewed towards downside so you can make your conclusion there
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Good point and shall definitely be taken into consideration!
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post Feb 13 2023, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Feb 13 2023, 04:44 PM)
You should take the bottom during Oct 2022 as your baseline and chart from there if you trading short term

And also monitor earnings from q2 from Dow biggest 30 companies

Definitely there is an opportunity for upside on Q3 onwards if you are patience enough
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Appreciate the heads up!
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post Feb 14 2023, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 14 2023, 06:26 AM)
What are the causes for the dip?
Has those causes still exist or the severities impact of those cause been reduced?

Example, just Ex: If you blamed the falls due to hawkish stance of the FED to raise interest rate for sometime to try tame inflation. Is the stance still as hawkish as before going forward?
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Good point raised. I suppose The Fed is still in its hawkish phase trying to curb/tame inflation though many investors like me are hoping for a more dovish stance sooner rather than later. As case of a rising tide lifting all boats, as it were. But I do suppose The Fed will still continue to raise interest rates for 2023 thus impacting money supply as well as equity markets overall.
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post Feb 16 2023, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 15 2023, 08:31 PM)
The latest inflation data is worrying though. Not sure if US gonna be aggressive again on the hikes.
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Likely The Fed will continue to be hawkish, raising interest rates applying downward pressure on the markets overall.
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post Feb 17 2023, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Feb 16 2023, 12:15 PM)
Wait for blockbuster March meeting after jobs report data is out then we know rate

If jobs report spring a very good suprise of negative then we are back at 25bps

Anything 50bps is now suicidal from the Fed as it means that there is no more soft landing in place 🤦‍♀️

I already expect at least 4 rate rises this year which is not suprising anyhow because the data is not convincing enough 🤦‍♀️
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4 rate hikes this year does not seem unreasonable looking at macro trends & economics. As you said, it is now a matter of how much the interest rates will be raised this year.
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post Feb 17 2023, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 17 2023, 11:30 AM)
This answer to this question will now much depends/related on the below
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I fully concur!
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post Feb 18 2023, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Feb 17 2023, 02:43 PM)
Market only pricing in 2 another this year which means 3 total but the only will break the market next month is another 50bps but for sure 25bps will be another 3 to go until summer

The pause started should be longer now most likely end of the year
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I guess it will still depends on inflation as well along with other key economic indicators.

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