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post Apr 18 2021, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Apr 17 2021, 08:00 PM)
I think I kick started the weekly deposit thing, been using StashAway Singapore and Malaysia before they launched in Msia.

Weekly deposits, graph smooth like your chun doi.
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Lol, that's funny...for me, I do it out of kiasi-ness. Less concerned with graph. Let's hope SA is gonna work out for me in the next few years to prove its worth.
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post Apr 27 2021, 11:31 PM

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Haven't been here for a while, and still impressed with the level of discussions, lol...very deep. Makes me think why I don't think much with it...cuz:

A) I've set recurring transfer from Simple, so the clutter won't happen to my normal bank account from frequent transfers
B) I've gotten used to the fact that Simple is slow as toot, so accept that and move on
C) SA is meant for long term, so after setting recurring, just leave it alone
D) It's meant for lazy people like me, so it fits, lol
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post May 7 2021, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(onthefly @ May 7 2021, 12:17 AM)
nobody posted for few days in stashaway, so let me post

Anybody receive email for brand prefererence test ?

StashAway Support: Invitation to StashAway's Brand Preference Test: 10 May - 14 May 2021
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I didn't.

And yes, a few days of silence...that's so rare. Is May such a dreadful month? tongue.gif
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post May 8 2021, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(JimK @ May 7 2021, 04:26 PM)
its called diversification and passive management. A bit too overwhelming if we actively managed 100% of the funds
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Indeed.

QUOTE(ChessRook @ May 7 2021, 10:15 PM)
With bond etfs performance of 3-4 percent in SA portfolio, this is going to pull performance down compared with annualised 10%  30 year average of s&p. But not many people has can stomach the volatility of s&p500, so SA has its place.

Don’t get me wrong, I love SA and i just wish people have more reasonable performance expectation of SA.
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This, yes.

QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 7 2021, 11:00 PM)
Agreed. SA's strategy is for diversified asset classes and risk management, which lowers volatility at the cost of lower capital gains.

If people want rocket to moon, SA is not the platform for it, KWEB notwithstanding tongue.gif
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Yes and yes. Btw, you've met your short term goal so fast already? Impressive, lol

I think people who are disappointed are those who expect SA to give them high xx% returns PA, beat UTs and fast yields too.

SA should rebrand themselves to correct this understanding, though the name itself says pretty much, hehe... people just need to be reminded to have perseverance and consistency.
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post May 8 2021, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 8 2021, 12:19 PM)
Basically these two things put together is giving you an underperforming portfolio right now.

36%SRI invests heavily in KWEB which was overvalued and at ATH (all time high) during February at easily 80+ USD per unit. Subsequently it has dropped down to a more logical amount of 72-ish per unit. that 10 usd reduction will impact your portfolio seriously at least for short term

Gotta stick around for at least a year or two πŸ˜…πŸ˜… you entered at the wrong time really.
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Looks like this applies to me too, sigh... shouldn't have put in so much at that point in time... after my initial lump sum, I went on smaller DCA amount over the months...oh well, if I could predict the future, I'd be rich, haha, so let time help me, lol

Question:
On the other note, does it matter if I put in more during this low point of KWEB? I know allocation within is a fraction, but, asking in case that helps in any way? Thanks.

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post May 8 2021, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 8 2021, 02:05 PM)
KWEB looks to be about stable now, at least for the moment, who knows what might happen in the future.

That said, MYR is moderately strong and USD is a bit weak, so now's a good time as any if judge based on forex 🀣
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Lol, thanks...I shall think think.

Also, this year trying to diversify into different investments. Even PRS that I currently don't have, maybe will do it too, of course, for tax purpose as well, lol.
FSM, haven't touched.
Maybe SA will remain with my fixed DCA as it is, or add a bit more during short period.
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post May 9 2021, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(Nelsonz @ May 8 2021, 08:06 PM)
Technically yes, you will get more KWEB units, however it also affects by USD conversion.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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QUOTE(xander83 @ May 9 2021, 01:09 AM)
KWEB baseline high valuation is a total 72.50 for a long long time hence if buying and believing it now it is the time load up

MYR is strong 2 weeks ago due to rising commodities but this month will be seeing breaching easily 4.15 or maybe even overshoot to 4.17

USD will rise back of bond yields and taper tantrum is back  rclxms.gif
Averaging your purchase units but however it will affect your USD portfolio value and averaging RM conversion after units purchase
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Sorry, please forgive my newbness. I get the KWEB part, but not the USD conversion side. Why it's affected by our strengthening of MYR?
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post May 10 2021, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Kadaj @ May 9 2021, 04:56 PM)
You deposit in MYR, then SA convert MYR and invest in USD.

YOUR INVESTMENT IN USD.

So weaker USD = strengthen MYR.

USD 1 = MYR 4.20
USD 1 = MYR 4.15
USD 1 = MYR 4.10
USD 1 = MYR 4.05
USD 1 = MYR 4.00

When you withdraw investment and wanna convert to MYR, it's getting lesser.
This is the risk of FOREX.
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 9 2021, 07:01 PM)
SA's ETFs are traded in USD, so SA needs to convert your deposits into USD before they can buy units. Conversely, when you "withdraw", they sell off units and convert the USD earned into MYR before deposit into your savings account.

So if MYR strong during buy time, can convert to more USD, if weak then less USD.

Then if MYR get stronger during withdraw, your gains/losses might not be as high as when MYR is weak during withdrawal.
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QUOTE(xander83 @ May 9 2021, 07:47 PM)
The ETF traded in USD and you actual traded portfolio value are in USD

RM portfolio value is only taking USD portfolio convert back to show your account in SA which is RM value

Hence any movement USDMYR will impact when you withdraw while MYRUSD will impact your deposits

Even is RM is stronger no point unless you are planning to deposit more to take advantage of weaker USD

Only USD portfolio matters when you are buying the ETFs and showing the actual performance of it

If you compare your RM and USD returns you notice the difference in returns in % and each currency value
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Ohh, so it means when we withdraw next time when MYR is even stronger than now against USD, we shall lose when USD is converted back to MYR?
If what I understand is correct, and sounds silly as it goes, when we buy more during strong MYR (let's say now), we should be hoping that MYR is weaker during withdrawal, is that right? unsure.gif

...and if the above is right, then I can grasp better what some had commented about the currency exchange factor if we invest more into SA now.
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post May 10 2021, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(ChessRook @ May 10 2021, 11:55 AM)
That's about correct.  thumbsup.gif  But I think one should be too concerned with the currency exchange if the investments are very long term say 20 years. It may not affect much.
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Thanks ChessRook and everyone for helping me understand this wub.gif
Ya, I think so too, cuz if long term...then...let it be...we can't control everything. Even for shorter term, personally I will not think too much about that part too, but it's very useful to be aware of it and make better decisions.
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post May 11 2021, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ May 11 2021, 11:39 AM)
feel like pumping in RM18k today to stashaway.
malaysia stock market.. really... super political, so hard to trade nowadays.
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Why 18k, not more/not less, lol
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post May 11 2021, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ May 11 2021, 02:29 PM)
cause I use the 5% rule capital and cut win FREIGHT from bursa then change to SA..

Cause its too hard to trade in bursa nowadays.

Other capital all bag holding right now, slowly cut batch by batch to put in SA
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Oh, can't say I know what 5% rule capital and cut win freight means.

But I do agree with that Bursa part, getting so fed up with them, lol...then again, it's cuz of my skills and some down luck, surely others have it better.
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post May 12 2021, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ May 11 2021, 10:34 PM)
I practise the 5% capital rule when a counter is up 5% of the total capital invested, I’ll take profits. Or when it is down 5% of total capital, I cut loss..

I find it very hard to invest in bursa nowadays, good companies’ stocks are going down like buckets of water, whereas the non-performing ones skyrocketed in a day or two.

Gambler’s den!
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This 5% is meant for you to stay disciplined + to get rid of emotions?
I think this would be for short trades, yes?

QUOTE(xander83 @ May 12 2021, 02:06 AM)
30% because of IVV but correction in due course so you will take hit soon
Lump sum is the best if you know how to hit sweatspot of MYRUSD deposit coupled with low entry buy price point
Expected before when the 1st level hits during end of April but will go back up soon to support level and just wait for breakout now hits can start counting your gains for the year because after that will be another China Tech tightening soon
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Why is tightening in this sense good for us yea? Can you elaborate a bit on this part?
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post May 12 2021, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ May 12 2021, 05:29 PM)
Tightening means that regulation in place and no more bad news in near term by CCP

BABA price is already stabilising while Tencent and Baidu just a smattering small level to buy in again

China tech tightening already happen since March just that no one bother about it so to those who buy into KWEB at 80+ level at that time will have endure at least by early next year to regain the price level

At high 60 mid 70 would be the current fair value for KWEB unless more good news to come

Anyway SA exposure to KWEB max 20% won’t affect a lot unless to those who buy in at 100+
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Thanks for your explanation, appreciate it.
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post May 13 2021, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ May 13 2021, 07:24 AM)
2k of profit already wiped out, maybe another 2k after the update today.

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Did I miss out on something, what happened in US?
Looks like when it falls, it falls hard, just took a look at mine too.

QUOTE(ChessRook @ May 13 2021, 07:48 AM)
I just do the monthly DCA. I don’t have many bullets to pump when I think there is down. Most of the time i pump too early. Market timing is just too hard
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Same here, I didn't really intent to time the market, so happened I went silly and put in too much upfront during early this year. I should have rationed it out, so now I also DCA every month at min amount. Guess won't see the light until next year, if I'm lucky.
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post May 13 2021, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 13 2021, 03:36 PM)
inflation scare causing fear of fed tightening
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Oh, this one...I read some days ago, but I didn't see immediate effect to our portfolio until yesterday's.
What's normally our take in our investments when this happens...we stay calm and keep doing what we're doing? Genuine question sleep.gif
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post May 13 2021, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(blackchides @ May 13 2021, 04:12 PM)
Lol the answer to these types of questions in this thread will be the same as it has always been. In it for the long term, just stay calm and keep buying in regularly.

It's boring but sound advice.  biggrin.gif
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Knew I'd get this response, lol...but it's true, the most right thing to do is probably just keeping doing what we're doing.

QUOTE(lee82gx @ May 13 2021, 04:27 PM)
market fluctuations are always random, today its inflation, market go down. Tomorrow no inflation market going up. Later reflation, or Treasury auction getting high.

Some other weird stuff like witching day.

In the end market still goes up over time. I have not yet seen a strong enough sell all signal if that's what you are looking for.
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Thanks for your latter statement, that's what I needed for an extra comforting support to move along, hehe
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post May 14 2021, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 13 2021, 09:12 PM)
The thing with equities is that how and when it goes up and down is half guesswork, half luck.  sweat.gif

Recent example for example, no one could have predicted that pandemic happen worldwide and cause market to crash, and similarly no one could have predicted that so fast after the pandemic there was a big bull run in market especially in Chinese tech stocks.  :confused:  Similarly no one expected China to suddenly so swiftly clamp down on market enough to push those same stocks down.  bruce.gif

What IS constant is that in the very long run, things eventually go up. At least for the past few decades la tongue.gif So key is to stay invested and don't put all your eggs in one basket, haha

So far nothing indicates that the ETFs in SAMY are going to fail badly la, if that's the assurance you need.
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Yeah, the eggs in one basket can be quite scary. Funny enough, lately I feel conserving cash seems to be the right thing to do too, maybe just for this year.

I do still keep faith for long term, wish us luck to ride it through.
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post May 17 2021, 03:18 AM

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My redemption from SA Simple from 10th till now still processing...I know they'd be slow, but this can be too slow for comfort sometimes. I know I can do it faster through different route, but this is the way I'm sticking to, so just sayin', I wished they won't take more than a week for this route sleep.gif
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post May 19 2021, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 17 2021, 06:52 AM)
How long do you want to put in simple?
How much do you want to put in simple?
What is the rate variance between simple n the "better" others?

If only 10k, if only for a month, if the variance is only 0.25%pa.....it is just abt rm2 variance a month....
Not sure abt others, but for me... I don't care much abt this rm2 a month, as long as it suit my shiok, simple, ease n quick of use
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For me, I'm okay having few ks in Simple just so it's easier for me to do recurring transfer that does not clutter my bank transaction. And the returns in Simple, no matter how little, it's quite good actually - cuz it earns me dollars, and not losing money compared with my other RIs, lol...the irony.

QUOTE(windvind @ May 17 2021, 10:57 AM)
I guess same with me, i sort of needed money to pay my share.. Processing from 12th May until now. Market dropped so much in between then and now.
Still in processing and not sold yet.
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My pek-chekness came from missing out on buying during market drop that week...but...it's okay, it is what it is.

QUOTE(ironman16 @ May 17 2021, 11:09 AM)
That the down side of Simple. Process depends on stashaway and East spring. So, u just need b passion πŸ˜‚.
Ppl stick with this simple oledi know b4, they r slow than usual.
At least 3 days (last time I withdraw), if holiday...... 😁

So, i stick with others.
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Yeah...if holiday, really faint, lol...although I expected, but it does irks me sometimes, hehe...but I'm alright cuz I'm not trying to time market.

QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 17 2021, 11:18 AM)
Simple withdrawal is 3 to 5 business days, dependant on the processing time of Eastspring Investments and StashAway both, and then after that GIRO processing time. With weekends and public holidays it can take a calendar week or longer, if you/Eastspring/StashAway transact after cutoff time(s) for respective services.

Future users should be aware of the withdrawal time for Simple before deciding whether Simple is appropriate for their needs and goals.
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Indeed, those users that are very particular about timing, processing/waiting time, no patient type, they just need to find another alternative.

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post May 25 2021, 02:32 AM

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QUOTE(flying_manatee @ May 25 2021, 12:29 AM)
Thx bro. So you also feel it's better to put it in now rather than to try and time the market and put it in at a low point?

The other amount of money hasn't arrived yet, but I'd probably put it in tranches like you mentioned.
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I wished I had asked here more when I first started out with lump-sum, as with stroke of ugly luck, went in during ATH...now...just DCA very min every bi-weekly (someone mentioned this is LYN norm, lol, funny reference) until... portfolio recovers sleep.gif now on and off just look see my portfolio, little temptation to do anything drastic unless market dips alot, maybe add more, or else just auto mode. Again, wished I didn't put in that lump-sum, hehe

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