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Hoshiyuu
post Mar 15 2022, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Mar 15 2022, 11:54 AM)
Yes, I hold VT because of the market cap weightage of global market. Should US outperform International or vice versa, VT can never beat both of them but should sit somewhere in the middle for performance. If US outperform, I win but not as much as holding US only ETF.

I am not comfortable with holding near to 30% International stocks... so I chose SCHD to reduce it to about 20%. I didnt choose VTI as there is a 58% weight overlap between VTI and VT. Seeing how the market is going right now, I feel more comfortable with its high quality value stock and almost 1/4 of them is midcap and smallcap companies which provide room for growth aswell. The 30% withholding tax is inevitable..

For Stashaway, you lose 30% to dividend withholding tax and 0.80% to management fee. I rather do it my way..
This is the underlying index (how the stocks are picked) for SCHD ETF
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You should come swing by our LYN's Bogleheads thread Bogleheads Local Chapter [Malaysia Edisi], feel like you'd belong there biggrin.gif

Me myself are pretty happy with owning 30-40% international, non-US stocks, so my portfolio is VWRA (all world large-mid caps by market weight) + a little filtered small cap via AVUV/AVDV.

I pinged you not in the context of Stashaway, but in context of DIY - because both VT and SCHD generates quite a bit of dividend,
I think I've done the math before, DCA into VT vs VWRA for 7 years, VWRA will outperform VT by about 0.5% annualized return from dividend alone, whether that is large or small is up to you.
But SCHD's dividend heavy-ness will hurt your returns quite badly with the 30% withholding tax, are you sure you don't want to look for Irish-domiciled equivalent?
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post Mar 15 2022, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Mar 15 2022, 02:02 PM)
Do ping me of any Irish domiciled ETFs.

I am currently looking at it. 😆

Since got sifu here. Ask for some help 😆
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Have you got your IBKR account approved yet? tongue.gif

Let's not derail the thread too too much if you are looking forward to a discussion though, why not drop a reply on that thread and talk about what you are looking for?

I'm always a strong promoter of VWRA and chill, sleep well with average returns. - and if that ETF drops to 0, the world has bigger problem to worry about biggrin.gif

Davidtcf always have a list of decent Irish domiciled ETF list with him too:

QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 15 2022, 11:05 AM)
[...]rather go for proven ETFs like All World VWRA, S&P 500 CSPX/VUAA, etc. Can use this tool to search for ETFs to buy also: https://www.justetf.com/en/find-etf.html[...]
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post Mar 15 2022, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Mar 15 2022, 02:13 PM)
Actually, I have a Interactive Brokers account opened quite long ago. But their deposit and withdrawal process is not the easiest along with slower customer support. Could save a few thousand per year using IB, but I just couldn't be bothered with some of the quirkiness that comes along with it. Remember back in the old days where everyone is buying shares through bank and even worse buying UTs. But now we have much better platforms even though the fees are not optimal compared to SG.
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Thanks to many effort from the DIY S&P500 thread initiative from Alexkos , a long standing guide by polarzbearz of Ringgitfreedom, and recent rise to fame and mainstream success + promotion by Ziet Inv, and many contributors on the IBKR thread such as Ramjade, most of the quirks of investing via IBKR has been worked out, and most of the regular user of this platform including me has streamlined the process down to a tick. (It takes me about 5minute to finish my monthly deposit, and 5 more minute to finish buying.) Of course, having IBKR account set to margin helps a lot to smooth out the post-deposit bump.

So if you ever want to give IBKR another try, swing by Boglehead/IBKR thread, or use these funding resources:
https://ringgitfreedom.com/investing/beginn...-from-malaysia/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CL27ThUniqD/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4KJY8MVC5g

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post Mar 15 2022, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Mar 15 2022, 02:13 PM)
Wew, nice.

Thanks.

Ibkr acc approved.
Maybank Singapore belum. 😆
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RIP, Maybank SG really dragging it out when even IBKR has approved you without depositing. Should have went with CIMB tongue.gif
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post Mar 15 2022, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 15 2022, 04:09 PM)
Any fan on BRK B ar? Because i have limited fund now.
If i go for etf, i need at least 2 non divided large cap etf and 1 tech etf
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Big fan of BRK.B, my portfolio has 0.62926% of BRK.B icon_idea.gif

(in case this got wooshed, I am making a owning BRK.B by market weight joke cry.gif )
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post Mar 17 2022, 01:10 AM

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post Mar 17 2022, 01:15 AM

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Personally I exited November 2021 (started March 2021) after I learned more about DIY and decided I never ever want to worry "if I bought the wrong thing" ever again;

Then KWEB rolled around, at that point I still advocated that winners rotate, there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with having KWEB in the portfolio ( most 36% port was -10% reported at this point)

But then they started pushing Thematics and FoTM sector ETF that is well known for taking on uncompensated risk, and I urged all my friends and family to leave because Stashaway has revealed to be nothing but another mediocre fund chasing AUM, with the only good side being good UX and low fee compared to UTs.

About 2 months before this I finally convinced my dad to leave Stashaway too, so he too only left with an about 8% loss. And luckily I asked him to do so early, because of all the things I expected out of Stashaway, I didn't expect them to cut KWEB citing largely bullshit concern at current valuation, AFTER holding it through hell and beyond peppered by public opinion for ~1 year. (And the fact that they had good relationship enough with Kraneshare to put out a KWEB PR video irked me the wrong way)

IMO whether it rise afterward right after Stashaway cut KWEB off is largely an irrelevant concern if anyone is thinking if they should stay or leave - the market is largely unpredictable, TA/FA is horoscope for individual investing - Stashaway just happen to lose one more coin toss on exit timing.

Whether someone decide to stay or leave Stashaway now should entirely based on how Stashaway pick their ETFs, how have they managed it, and whether its justifiable, and if the fee is still worth it, I think.

Is it just a really bad time because between COVID, China crackdown, and Ukraine-Russian war causing economic regime to shift rapidly warranting ERAA's action every other quarter?

Or Freddy and his team are a lot less risk adverse than they thought, sold out their customer for some kickback from Kraneshares, partnered with them to make smokescreen videos, and are just churning through customers for that sweet sweet 0.8% management fee?

That'll be up to individual customer to decide... opinions welcomed.

QUOTE(skyzone101 @ Mar 17 2022, 01:05 AM)
Lol.. meanwhile those work in SA still received their paycheck for the wrong timing, wrong decision they made while those who invest still paying for their fees but for the wrong reason. DIY maybe
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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Nov 18 2021, 11:24 AM)
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I really hate the idea that no matter if I make or lose money, Stashaway already makes money from me regardless 🤣
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But I do expect SGH to start asking me if those with small capital (e.g. $100) can buy in ETF or not again every time I bring DIY up. Which is odd to me because back when I started my DIY, I was barely commiting RM200 a month to it... Just need to be careful with the flow, deposit intervals, portfolio choice and it'd still easily cost less than Stashaway's 0.8%.

(e.g. free US trades and buying only VT/VXUS until portfolio size grows to a point where LSE transaction fee exceeds losses in withholding tax difference)

Of course, there's always a choice for those that prefer simplicity. But I am not sure if I ever want to be at the mercy of a Robo/some fund manager ever again.

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post Mar 17 2022, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 17 2022, 08:35 AM)
my portfolio went up by 1.61% in one day after Fed's meeting yesterday. (total paper loss still at 4.41%)
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/federal-re...tion-march-2022

investors confidence is back.. now next is for Ukraine war to be over for them to shoot up more biggrin.gif
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I am surprised by the sudden rally, wondering what happened too. It's pretty nice to wake up to seeing my paper losses is only -2.2% now on DIY.
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post Mar 17 2022, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 17 2022, 12:20 PM)
It bewilders me that people who claim to have pulled out of SAMY entirely still returns to this thread to comment  hmm.gif

i used to invest in Wahed & MyTheo too before I pulled out and hardly visited their threads ever since  :confused:
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This thread is easily the most entertaining thread of the entire finance section of the forum, when I see the thread suddenly got 20+ new replies I know what my next tea break reading material is 👌
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 17 2022, 12:59 PM)
Hmm good also. How about SPY as per compared to peers
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Strong advocate for single ticker portfolio here, VWRA and chill ✌️
SPY is too US heavy to buy heavily in, winners rotate and SPY and US in general has been winning too hard for too long.

Warren Buffett says to never bet against the USA, I say why take the bet at all for extra uncompensated risk. Buy the world by market weight, you are never only on the bad side of the coin toss.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Mar 17 2022, 01:06 PM)
Say hello to Freddy laugh.gif (yesterday's paper by the way)

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Translation for Freddy: Kraneshares' kickback are no longer worth the AUM bleedout that is on a different ball game now.
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QUOTE(honsiong @ Mar 17 2022, 01:06 PM)
I avoid SPY because I believe in PE10 thingy. US stocks are overpriced for now.

Source: https://www.lynalden.com/about-lyn-alden/
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Just making a light joke instead of being contrarian here, but Lyn has listed Malaysia as one of the country of having unusually low PE ratio, and yet I wouldn't put a single cent in Malaysia markets 😆
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QUOTE(bcombat @ Mar 17 2022, 06:58 PM)
Lai Lai…about to start
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Got a link? Doesn't seem to be on Youtube and I don't wanna go through eventbrite registration just to see this, hahaha
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post Mar 24 2022, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(onthefly @ Mar 24 2022, 01:03 AM)
Wow, you call that indirect? Hahaha, half the article is lasered on Stashaway!
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post Mar 26 2022, 11:31 AM

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Or... you know, don't time the market.

Crazy, I know.

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Mar 26 2022, 02:36 PM)
deposit in StashAway simple earn 2.4% annual interest….after deducting the 0.5% of expense ratio…

So nett is about 1.9% interest annual return? Assuming no rebates from the underlying fund.

just to confirm
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Just projected returns, but your math checks out if that is the case.

Can safely ignore, one of the worst MMF offerings on the market at the moment.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 26 2022, 02:52 PM)
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He's calculating the internal ER, not the management fee for standard Stashaway portfolio.

Assuming no rebate = 0.5% internal expense ratio.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 26 2022, 06:38 PM)
If he is doing that,... Then... The nett is 1.9% as per his post below?
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I got confused earlier by the wording - basically, 2.4% is the projected returns after deducting the 0.5% underlying expense ratio. Whether Stashaway consider 2.4% projected returns includes the 0.3% potential rebate I'm not sure, but I don't believe any SA Simple user has ever seen 2.4% return since inception.... so, take it how you will.

The fact that deposit and withdraw takes 3+ days alone is enough to avoid it, on top of meh returns.

Stashaway's marketing material is generally quite deceptive - whatever you see written on their site, think of the worst possible interpretation of it, and you'd probably be right.

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QUOTE(rEvivEd- @ Apr 7 2022, 09:56 PM)
Hi, newbie to investing here and planning to start.

What would you guys advice?

Directly put into general investing or responsible investing ( ESG )?

Planning to set aside about 5000 ~ 10000 jsut to start.

any advise is much appreciated thanks.
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Have you decided a risk appetite yet? That is entirely up to you and you'll have to decide for yourself.
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QUOTE(rEvivEd- @ Apr 7 2022, 10:24 PM)
i see thanks for the clarification.

so general = too conservative meaning too stable / no changes yes?

and if i want a little bit more volatility = go into ESG yes?
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Pretty much, yes. 22% is a very good balance and generally have good risk:reward ratio.

I would personally avoid ESG myself and would recommend other to do so - it's just higher risk for little increase in compensation. Its just a flavor/theme bias that I don't like.

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