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post Jan 11 2021, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(cr7jyej @ Jan 11 2021, 09:29 PM)
Yup, amount still same

I also care lesser edi when compared with the time I just started Investing in SA, same like you as long as they receive my money and dont park too long then I'm happy edi rclxms.gif
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this is the purpose of auto-robo ma......biar aje......see too much very tired......better do others thing...... rclxms.gif

QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jan 11 2021, 09:30 PM)
Haha....over analysing things already. In the grand scheme of things this is just a drop in a bucket. Still got 10 more years for me.
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post Jan 11 2021, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jan 11 2021, 09:35 PM)
this is the purpose of auto-robo ma......biar aje......see too much very tired......better do others thing...... rclxms.gif
kasi itu forum hangat ma......if no debat, boring la..... brows.gif
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Remember a time when this forum was like krikkk krikkk to the sound of crickets....one day zero post also got. Now market up, suddenly day traders also appear out of nowhere.
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post Jan 11 2021, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jan 11 2021, 08:52 PM)
Last time i am going to do this.

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Usd to myr drop by around 5% and that is nothing compared to the gain in etf
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Understand the feeling as each time i deposit in, i see the price difference from start till now. Yes, i tracked it still with yahoo finance app.
I can no longer buy KWEB at USD50.3, same goes with other ETFs at much lower price.
No matter what rate you chase, you can't buy the same product at much lower price.

This post has been edited by blur19755: Jan 11 2021, 10:00 PM
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post Jan 11 2021, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(blur19755 @ Jan 11 2021, 09:59 PM)
Understand the feeling as each time i deposit in, i see the price difference from start till now. Yes, i tracked it still with yahoo finance app.
I can no longer buy KWEB at USD50.3, same goes with other ETFs at much lower price.
No matter what rate you chase, you can't buy the same product at much lower price.
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Mostly ETF in 36% risk all price increase 20% - 50% (after re-optimisation on May 2020). Good job did by SA.
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post Jan 11 2021, 10:51 PM

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Might be funny to say this but after 6 months of dca, now only I realise SA buy order changes with how portfolio performing. My transaction today, the buy order only 5 etf, it's not buying kweb but buying a lot of gld (22% risk). Seems like it will try to get back the target %.
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post Jan 12 2021, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(anwa @ Jan 11 2021, 10:51 PM)
Might be funny to say this but after 6 months of dca, now only I realise SA buy order changes with how portfolio performing. My transaction today, the buy order only 5 etf, it's not buying kweb but buying a lot of gld (22% risk). Seems like it will try to get back the target %.
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That is sort of why I like to play with weekly deposits, the ETF NAV can change a lot over the week, doing it weekly feels like smoothing it out.
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post Jan 12 2021, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jan 11 2021, 03:57 PM)
Here's a comparison of the different rate of return formulas for various DCA strategies in 6 portfolios in different market patterns over 13 months where the underlying market grew 5.77%.

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Try comparing the MWR against the TWR of Portfolio C, then do the same for Portfolio E; it doesn't tell you anything useful. However you can compare the MWR of Portfolio C vs the MWR of Portfolio E; it'll tell you that the money was used more efficiently in Portfolio C (ending ROI in C is higher).

Note also the positive MWR in Portfolio A. MWR calculations does not consider how the market moves: it only considers time, amounts, and final value. In this case, 15.62% is the discount rate that results in zero net present value of inflows and outflows.
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i think there is a mis-calculation for Portfolio A. The final number should be 12000 not 13000. Because u are calculating for 12month period. To finalize the XIRR, on 31st Jan cannot have 1k additional. It needs to be zero. Because that is the month u tally your profit and u need to zero it out. If u add 1k XIRR will think its profit from December. Once u correct it, u will get XIRR 0% which is the correct calculation meaning no increase in value.

same correction have to made for other portfolio too. the final invested amount for all should be 12k. not 13k

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post Jan 12 2021, 11:29 AM

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post Jan 12 2021, 12:01 PM

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Have transfered funds into my general investment portfolio, its already converted to USD yesterday, but the funds are all cash. When will it start purchasing the assets?
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post Jan 12 2021, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jan 12 2021, 11:16 AM)
i think there is a mis-calculation for Portfolio A. The final number should be 12000 not 13000. Because u are calculating for 12month period. To finalize the XIRR, on 31st Jan cannot have 1k additional. It needs to be zero. Because that is the month u tally your profit and u need to zero it out. If u add 1k XIRR will think its profit from December. Once u correct it, u will get XIRR 0% which is the correct calculation meaning no increase in value.

same correction have to made for other portfolio too. the final invested amount for all should be 12k. not 13k
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You are right, I made a mistake in the calculation. Here's the fixed comparison @ 13k at 31st Jan:

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post Jan 12 2021, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(1234kingbling @ Jan 12 2021, 12:01 PM)
Have transfered funds into my general investment portfolio, its already converted to USD yesterday, but the funds are all cash. When will it start purchasing the assets?
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Check after 6pm today
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post Jan 12 2021, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jan 12 2021, 11:29 AM)
App update is available for Android.
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Ei, it doesn't auto update? Odd 🤔

Incline to guess that myr will drop compared to usd because of the mco and state of emergency? 🤔

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post Jan 12 2021, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jan 12 2021, 02:04 PM)
Ei, it doesn't auto update? Odd 🤔

Incline to guess that myr will drop compared to usd because of the mco and state of emergency? 🤔
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Already drop at 4.06 will be on the downside to 4.11 this week on a bearish scenario

Ringgit is down is because oil futures have peaked and USD dollar on upside momentum due to oversold

MCO and state of emergency’s has been factor since last week on the spot exchange itself when the upside was to 4 to 1 rclxms.gif
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post Jan 12 2021, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jan 12 2021, 12:57 PM)
You are right, I made a mistake in the calculation. Here's the fixed comparison @ 13k at 31st Jan:

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TQ for the fix. I didnt recheck again the math, but from a glance it looks correct right now.

From here can see the following :

Port A : Baseline all 0% thumbsup.gif
Port B : With steady growth TWR is higher than MWR. Showing that in a uptrend market, its better to lump sum in the beginning.
Port C : With mix market, but ending higher, DCA will cause an underperformance due to half of the months is buying high.
Port D : Timing king. MWR higher than TWR. Outperforming market return. thumbsup.gif
Port E : Timing sux. MWR lower than TWR. Underperforming market return sad.gif
Port F : TWR = MWR as expected.

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post Jan 12 2021, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 12 2021, 05:37 PM)
Already drop at 4.06 will be on the downside to 4.11 this week on a bearish scenario

Ringgit is down is because oil futures have peaked and USD dollar on upside momentum due to oversold

MCO and state of emergency’s has been factor since last week on the spot exchange itself when the upside was to 4 to 1  rclxms.gif
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Hmm... O well. Continue dca monthly.. I thought it will stay around 4.00 ish but then mco and state of emergency etc..
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post Jan 12 2021, 07:20 PM

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A sell order executed yesterday to sell off XLY.

Today a buy order is placed.
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post Jan 12 2021, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jan 12 2021, 06:53 PM)
Hmm... O well. Continue dca monthly.. I thought it will stay around 4.00 ish but then mco and state of emergency etc..
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Be patient for now as in 3Q another time that RM will test 4 to 1 mark again

Looking out to exit my gains soon might’ve be even earlier once it breach RM4.11

QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jan 12 2021, 07:20 PM)
A sell order executed yesterday to sell off XLY.

Today a buy order is placed.
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Auto optimisation or adjust risk?
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post Jan 12 2021, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 12 2021, 08:59 PM)
Be patient for now as in 3Q another time that RM will test 4 to 1 mark again

Looking out to exit my gains soon might’ve be even earlier once it breach RM4.11
Auto optimisation or adjust risk?
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Should be exceeded XLY target allocation; the rebalancing algorithm kicks off.
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post Jan 12 2021, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jan 12 2021, 09:00 PM)
Should be exceeded XLY target allocation; the rebalancing algorithm kicks off.
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Robo is selling XLY and buying into IJR or XLP because of reporting season
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jan 12 2021, 07:20 PM)
A sell order executed yesterday to sell off XLY.

Today a buy order is placed.
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How do you see the types of order being executed?

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