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SUSxander83
post Jan 11 2021, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Jitty @ Jan 11 2021, 01:14 PM)
want to check with all pros and sifus here.

usually your MWR or TWR higher?

higher by how much ?

3-5% ?
5-10% ?
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MWR 6 to 9% higher because I time the market to deposit when FX conversion is strong for RM just what happen last week rclxms.gif
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post Jan 11 2021, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Jitty @ Jan 11 2021, 01:14 PM)
want to check with all pros and sifus here.

usually your MWR or TWR higher?

higher by how much ?

3-5% ?
5-10% ?
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MWR higher,
3 portfolio range 2 - 6% different
I DCA + timing.
1 portfolio close due to transfer to PRS (goal mmg for prs purposes at early year when i create it)
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post Jan 11 2021, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Jitty @ Jan 11 2021, 01:14 PM)
want to check with all pros and sifus here.

usually your MWR or TWR higher?

higher by how much ?

3-5% ?
5-10% ?
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my portfolios return in USD

(SRI 18%, invested about 18 months now)
TWR 20.79%
MWR 31.66%

(SRI 30%, invested about 18 months now)
TWR 22.94%
MWR 33.77%

(SRI 36%, invested about 12 months now)
TWR 18.10%
MWR 39.63%

This post has been edited by tehoice: Jan 11 2021, 03:16 PM
necrox77
post Jan 11 2021, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Jitty @ Jan 11 2021, 01:14 PM)
want to check with all pros and sifus here.

usually your MWR or TWR higher?

higher by how much ?

3-5% ?
5-10% ?
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My portfolio

16% risk start February 2020
USD MYR
TWR 11.93%. 8.09%
MWR 21.48%. 12.53%

26% risk start Jan 2021
USD. MYR
TWR. 2.75%. 1.87%
MWR. 2.06%. 1.35%
idyllrain
post Jan 11 2021, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Xenopher @ Jan 11 2021, 09:19 AM)
I could be wrong but this is how I look at it. If everything else is constant, as in market increment/decrement rate over time (0% fluctuation), DCA amount, DCA frequency etc, the final calculated MWR will be exactly equals to TWR.
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Here's a comparison of the different rate of return formulas for various DCA strategies in 6 portfolios in different market patterns over 13 months where the underlying market grew 5.77%.

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Try comparing the MWR against the TWR of Portfolio C, then do the same for Portfolio E; it doesn't tell you anything useful. However you can compare the MWR of Portfolio C vs the MWR of Portfolio E; it'll tell you that the money was used more efficiently in Portfolio C (ending ROI in C is higher).

Edit: Updated table to fix MWR calculation mistakes as highlighted by WhitE LighteR.

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backspace66
post Jan 11 2021, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 11 2021, 01:42 PM)
MWR 6 to 9% higher because I time the market to deposit when FX conversion is strong for RM just what happen last week  rclxms.gif
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I find it quite weird to see you time the market based on forex, did you check the underlying etf price before you consider that?

It would be better to take all the underlying etf into consideration in term of myr. Based on your logic, one should not invest during march crash since USD/MYR is pretty high back then. You get "less" USD.


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post Jan 11 2021, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jan 11 2021, 02:30 AM)
No one can answer this for you; you just have to decide what you believe the trend will be in the coming days. If USD weakens 5% relative to MYR and the ETFs increases 5% due to positive investor sentiment, the effects cancel out. If you are not comfortable committing a large sum of money in one transaction, you can always DCA first until you make a decision.
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 11 2021, 06:38 AM)
Depends on your amount, risk appetite, ROI, monetary needs and time horizon gain

For myself anything on FX conversion rate of RM4 to 1 is a bargain at the moment for Q1 as the barrier for to go lower for RM it is difficult to go lower than that in the next 6 months as currently on range bound between RM4.01 to RM4.05 which to people DCA small amounts will not notice much difference because of the rounding with FX spot rate

This only will works for those are investing 30 to 36% because of the higher exposure to equities and not for those on lower risks appetite

If anyone last week Monday and Tuesday invested lump sum will have already gain an extra 1.1% gain for YTD due higher buy order units due to lower conversion rate  rclxms.gif
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Thanks, I think I'm getting what you're saying.
Also, mine is on 36% RI, and I plan to put in lump sum, maybe more when the USD is weak now. Later probably will DCA when I know how much I should put in, lol
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post Jan 11 2021, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Jitty @ Jan 11 2021, 01:14 PM)
want to check with all pros and sifus here.

usually your MWR or TWR higher?

higher by how much ?

3-5% ?
5-10% ?
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my portfolios SRI 36% return in USD, since Jan 2020. DCA + timing.
TWR 22.18%
MWR 45.54%


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post Jan 11 2021, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jan 11 2021, 01:13 PM)
This is what i done, DCA monthly, got dip kasi in lagi 👍👍👍
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memang betul, do it tanpa was was.
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post Jan 11 2021, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jan 11 2021, 04:13 PM)
I find it quite weird to see you time the market based on forex, did you check the underlying etf price before you consider that?

It would be better to take all the underlying etf into consideration in term of myr. Based on your logic, one should not invest during march crash since USD/MYR is pretty high back then. You get "less" USD.
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Of course I did on the FX conversion spot rate on to USD with prices to buy ETF in USD with comparison on levels which is when to buy ETF price which mine strategy is different due to weekly monitoring

I will cash out my gains just my returns when the USD is stronger against the RM wand ETF prices is on range trading otherwise just adjust the risk 30 to 36 or vice versa

March was not the time to invest but May was because FX conversion and it’s ETF was rock bottom then which I bought into it then when my money was on Simple since Jan to May

QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Jan 11 2021, 05:02 PM)
Thanks, I think I'm getting what you're saying.
Also, mine is on 36% RI, and I plan to put in lump sum, maybe more when the USD is weak now. Later probably will DCA when I know how much I should put in, lol
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If put lump sum at 36% just be patient because the gains will show within 3 to 6 months rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 11 2021, 08:11 PM)
Of course I did on the FX conversion spot rate on to USD with prices to buy ETF in USD with comparison on levels which is when to buy ETF price which mine strategy is different due to weekly monitoring

I will cash out my gains just my returns when the USD is stronger against the RM wand ETF prices is on range trading otherwise just adjust the risk 30 to 36 or vice versa

March was not the time to invest but May was because FX conversion and it’s ETF was rock bottom then which I bought into it then when my money was on Simple since Jan to May
If put lump sum at 36% just be patient because the gains will show within 3 to 6 months  rclxms.gif
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I admire your confidence level. I think it is waste of my time to explain. Nevermind. Simple does not even exist back then in the time period you mention and march is definitely the time to invest but no point since no one got a time machine. Lol



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post Jan 11 2021, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jan 11 2021, 08:14 PM)
I admire your confidence level. I think it is waste of my time to explain. Nevermind. Simple does not even exist back then in the time period you mention and march is definitely the time to invest but no point since no one got a time machine. Lol
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March 23 USDMYR was at 4.44 and it takes at least until 30 May to drop to 4.33

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post Jan 11 2021, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 11 2021, 08:34 PM)
March 23 USDMYR was at 4.44 and it takes at least until 30 May to drop to 4.33
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I am just going to leave it here, let see if you understand

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Did you see that awesome double digit gain compared to your meagre forex changes

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post Jan 11 2021, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 11 2021, 08:34 PM)
March 23 USDMYR was at 4.44 and it takes at least until 30 May to drop to 4.33
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Even if you take the point where USD was the strongest vs MYR at 4.44292 on 24-Mar-2020 and the lowest point of 4.29552 on 3-May-2020, that drop is a mere 3.3% (4.29552-4.44292)/4.44292. If you're on the 36% portfolio, between those two dates, the portfolio has returned close to 10%. That is a net gain in MYR of 6.7% in the month of April alone.

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jan 11 2021, 08:39 PM)
I am just going to leave it here, let see if you understand

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Did you see that awesome double digit gain compared to your meagre forex changes
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Those double digits are nothing compared to invest on FX spot rates at that time

The forex changes are for those who is willing to lump sum into deposit and buying into momentum and you should provide the chart from May to December which is on double uptrend to what is shown here
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post Jan 11 2021, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jan 11 2021, 08:47 PM)
Those double digits are nothing compared to invest on FX spot rates at that time

The forex changes are for those who is willing to lump sum into deposit and buying into momentum and you should provide the chart from May to December which is on double uptrend to what is shown here
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This is the last time i am going to try to explain this.

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Usd to myr drop by around 5% and that is nothing compared to the gain in etf

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post Jan 11 2021, 09:04 PM

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Not sure why SA abit slow now 🤔

My experience before December: Sunday night jompay, Monday morning around 11pm receive fund, 6pm buy order , Tuesday morning gaodim everything

After December till today: Sunday Night Jompay, monday 2pm only receive, now still in progress to convert into USD, tomorrow only will have buy order and gaodim everything on Wednesday morning
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QUOTE(cr7jyej @ Jan 11 2021, 09:04 PM)
Not sure why SA abit slow now 🤔

My experience before December: Sunday night jompay, Monday morning around 11pm receive fund, 6pm buy order , Tuesday morning gaodim everything

After December till today: Sunday Night Jompay, monday 2pm only receive, now still in progress to convert into USD, tomorrow only will have buy order and gaodim everything on Wednesday morning
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invest amount still the same ?
last time i oso like u, every day chasing the process, now i dun wanna see liao.
as long as SAMY received, bila mahu start execute buy, suka hati dia ...... brows.gif
i prefer read u ppl punya comment..... rclxms.gif

if nothing special, i go polar punya bog(Ringgit Freedom) baca la..... brows.gif

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post Jan 11 2021, 09:29 PM

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Yup, amount still same

I also care lesser edi when compared with the time I just started Investing in SA, same like you as long as they receive my money and dont park too long then I'm happy edi rclxms.gif

QUOTE(ironman16 @ Jan 11 2021, 09:12 PM)
invest amount still the same ?
last time i oso like u, every day chasing the process, now i dun wanna see liao.
as long as SAMY received, bila mahu start execute buy, suka hati dia ...... brows.gif
i prefer read u ppl punya comment..... rclxms.gif

if nothing special, i go polar punya bog(Ringgit Freedom) baca la..... brows.gif
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post Jan 11 2021, 09:30 PM

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Haha....over analysing things already. In the grand scheme of things this is just a drop in a bucket. Still got 10 more years for me.

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