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 5W-40 or 5W-30 Engine Oil?, 5W-40 or 5W-30 Engine Oil?

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wkc5657
post Mar 11 2019, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Mar 8 2019, 02:08 PM)
Use 30 if your car is new. Cause the thick oil of the 40 in long run will be higher chance to clog up the engine oil sump.
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no won't happen, unless you don't change the engine oil to the point it has broken down to sludge. Technically, there's no way in clogging up the oil sump as it just serve as a tank.

But sludge can indeed clog up lubrication channels within the engine.

QUOTE(LemonKnight @ Mar 8 2019, 06:10 PM)
Where is the source that proves 5w-40 lubricates and protects the engine better? Hehe.
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Concur

QUOTE(mushigen @ Mar 8 2019, 09:00 PM)
Thinner oil is supposed to help lubricate better during cold start situations.
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Only the front number indicates the lubricating properties during cold condition. In the above case, both oils are rated 5w, so the cold start performance are similar during cold.

QUOTE(kelvin_87 @ Mar 9 2019, 12:30 AM)
agree. thicker oil offer better protection because between the engine parts may already have wider gap after using for few years, and thicker oil can coat and cling on the parts  better than thinner oil.
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For it to matter when w40 makes a real difference compared to w30, the engine has likely been modified to face with really high component contact pressures and RPM loads.

For normal run of the mill stock car (mildly modified included), if the manual states can use xw30 or thinner, it means it will work with that viscosity rating. Spirited daily driving hardly stresses the oil to the point that was faced during lab test conditions to derive the specification.

As a matter of fact, pumping RON97 has more direct impact towards engine oil health as the higher sulfur levels in RON95 will eat into the acidity regulating additives at a faster rate. If the oil has gone "sour", the sulfur will react with the water content in the air and within the oil itself, creating sulfuric acid which really eats into the metallic components.

QUOTE(jamespaul @ Mar 11 2019, 08:21 AM)
However, if you use on the track, yes. When temperature is raised considerably, a w40 will behave like a w30

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It will still remain w40 unless there's high levels of fuel dilution....what kind of oil is this that can't remain temperature stable? I guess a more appropriate comparative statement to what you're saying should be "....behaving like w30 at 25C"

Just so you know, i made that temperature level up, i don't know that exact science, but just a more appropriate clarification.
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post Mar 11 2019, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Mar 11 2019, 03:30 PM)
@wkc5657

Disagree, when you track your car, the oil temperature exceeds 100 degrees C.

Oil thins out when it is hotter. So a w40 at say 120C may behave like a w30 at 100C

Hence, when one is going to track their cars, typically manufacturers recommend a thicker oil.

For normal day to day usage, most engines run at 100C. When you track your car, it exceeds that.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Mar 11 2019, 03:43 PM)
For racing application, usually they will use a heavier weight oil like 5W60 as the oil will thin out under extreme engine temperature. Anyway, this grade of oil is not suitable for daily driving.
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Even if you track your car in stock form, provided that you maintained the car reasonably, unlikely it will not overheat the engine oil. The faster you go, the cooling circuitry also works harder correspondingly. The added velocity of air also draws more heat away from the radiator and other heat sources.

It is very hard for people to accept that, unless track ALL the time or the car was purpose built for tracking/racing, if thinner oil that is within the stated spec in the manual, there would not have any noticeable ill effects (even if you track once in a while in stock form).

If you really want first hand experience, please spend some time looking through the pinned dedicated engine oil thread, very informative with used oil analysis to back up.

Also, please read have some readings valvetrain/drivetrain components and oil related articles in the "tech centre" segment of enginebuildermag website. It is quite deep for starters, but you get solid knowledge from real engine builders :
https://www.enginebuildermag.com/tech-center/

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post Mar 13 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Lanchio @ Mar 12 2019, 02:48 PM)
To confuse them more, at 100C "a thick xW30 has almost the same viscosity as a thin xW40" (Eg 12.5 cSt @ 100C. See chart below SAE Engine Oil). You can only know the actual viscosity (cSt) from the lubricant kinematics (which is never on the bottle label).

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SAE J300:
SAE 30 spec: 9.3-12.4 cSt @ 100°C
SAE 40 spec: 12.5-16.2 cSt @ 100°C

(Edit: added SAE J300 spec above)
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Mar 13 2019, 06:35 AM)
Exactly. Some engine can take different viscosity. 10W-30 till 50. No harm.  thumbup.gif  Manufacturer knows best. thumbup.gif
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That is why manufacturers give a range instead of giving just 1 specific viscosity.

The engines are quite over engineered in some sense as no single driver's driving conditions and habits are exactly the same. And to cater for international markets with the same engine engineering, it has been built robust for quite a large range between 2 extremes (especially japanese car engines).

Here's the deal to all that still want to stand on viscosity is the main considering factor for engine protection. The real take is changing the oil more frequently can better protect engine internals. This situation will never allow too much contaminants to build up.


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post Apr 9 2019, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Apr 9 2019, 03:11 PM)
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post Apr 19 2019, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(TRAZE99 @ Apr 19 2019, 02:49 AM)
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