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 5W-40 or 5W-30 Engine Oil?, 5W-40 or 5W-30 Engine Oil?

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jamespaul
post Mar 11 2019, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(kelvin_87 @ Mar 8 2019, 01:51 PM)
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actually when I tried these 2 engine oils, my fuel consumption still the same LOL
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Follow your service manual.

If they recommend 5w30, use it.

If they recommend xw20, use that.

Going from 5w30 to 5w40 will NOT give you extra protection if you use it under normal driving conditions. However, if you use on the track, yes. When temperature is raised considerably, a w40 will behave like a w30

Using a thicker oil will waste petrol. How much you ask? up to 3%

Newer cars are calling for thinner oils, x-w20 oils, some even x-w16

Use the right oil, save the environment
jamespaul
post Mar 11 2019, 03:30 PM

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Disagree, when you track your car, the oil temperature exceeds 100 degrees C.

Oil thins out when it is hotter. So a w40 at say 120C may behave like a w30 at 100C

Hence, when one is going to track their cars, typically manufacturers recommend a thicker oil.

For normal day to day usage, most engines run at 100C. When you track your car, it exceeds that.
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post Mar 11 2019, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Mar 11 2019, 04:23 PM)
Even if you track your car in stock form, provided that you maintained the car reasonably, unlikely it will not overheat the engine oil. The faster you go, the cooling circuitry also works harder correspondingly. The added velocity of air also draws more heat away from the radiator and other heat sources.

It is very hard for people to accept that, unless track ALL the time or the car was purpose built for tracking/racing, if thinner oil that is within the stated spec in the manual, there would not have any noticeable ill effects (even if you track once in a while in stock form).

If you really want first hand experience, please spend some time looking through the pinned dedicated engine oil thread, very informative with used oil analysis to back up.

Also, please read have some readings valvetrain/drivetrain components and oil related articles in the "tech centre" segment of enginebuildermag website. It is quite deep for starters, but you get solid knowledge from real engine builders :
https://www.enginebuildermag.com/tech-center/
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thanks for sharing
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post Apr 8 2019, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Apr 8 2019, 03:03 AM)
i would argue otherwise
in term of probability, it'll be foolish and low possibility for multi million supermarket corporation who had everything to lose if they been caught selling counterfeit stuff just to earn the small profit from engine oil section
they had their products displayed in front of millions of shoppers which includes their competitors, other oil suppliers,and even Shell or petronas staff to examine, if they sell fake oil they'll be caught in 5 seconds, they won't survive selling fake thing for so many years now.
but different stories for small individual parts store outside, they always stow their products behind the counter unless you want to buy, they can change their inventory very fast to cover up,they're relatively small and selling fake stuff provide them big profit, and they have relatively nothing to lose, i would be more wary of these stores than supermarket
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While some of your statements are true, but would it make sense that Shell Malaysia issue a statement saying RRP for an oil is say RM280, and a hypermarket can sell it at RM99?

That doesn't make sense. Either the oil is imported illegally or it is leaning towards being a fake.

Also, Shell Malaysia has highlighted that their oils can only be sold through their official channel.

Imagine, Apple sets RM3999 for iphone Xs Max. Giant sells it for RM 1999, will you think it is fake?
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post Apr 8 2019, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Apr 8 2019, 02:19 PM)
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most Malaysians are too accustomed to malaysian automotive over priced products that they thought the high price should be normal
if you think 99 bucks is cheap for 4 litre, America had it cheaper and much more options to choose from and it's cheap all year round, no need wait for promotion, that's the real price of engine oil, petrol station here are ripping the shit outta our pocket.
the other automotive item that we're being ripped off with insane margin is car care products like turtle wax or meguiars
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To be fair, everything is cheap in the US, especially when it comes to goods (cars, shoes, groceries and etc.).

Try comparing to HK or Singapore and even Europe. If their prices are much cheaper than Malaysia, I will concur with you.

Dont pick US, most things are cheaper there. Especially if it is made in there or an American brand.

I just came back from Japan recently, and pricing of oils are about the same as Malaysia. Been to a few other countries, US definitely 30-50% cheaper for oils.

jamespaul
post Apr 9 2019, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 8 2019, 05:10 PM)
so why shell malaysia no sue hypermarket?
can get a lot of money yo!
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Why dont Marvel sue hypermarkets for fake Iron Man tees? Why dont Nike sue pasar malam seller/ distributor for replicas?

Ah well, i think we are getting off tangent here.

Oil genuine or not, nobody can know without proper testing.

Use what you must.

Back to thread starter, follow what your Owner's manual recommends.

In theory, 5w30 should save up to 3% in FC with comparison to 5w40. Assuming both have the same ACEA or SN spec, both should provide similar protection
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post Apr 9 2019, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Apr 8 2019, 06:41 PM)
free market should always be our benchmark to compare price, not heavily taxed country which had the price muddled beyond useful comparison.
if product are the same, intrinsic price should be the same, the price differences are in tax and margin on top of the base value.
i encourage people to question and examine more of the pricing mechanism rather than accepting whatever price the seller or gov like us to pay, it's sheep mentality
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While in an ideal world, I would agree with you. However, we live in Malaysia, prices for cars and products are skewed based on different taxes and structures. Shouldn't we then compare based on what we have here?

I agree with you, we should make comparison based on world standards, but in Malaysia it is different.

Anyways, excellent feedback. Constructive feedback is always appreciated

 

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