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post Jan 10 2020, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jan 10 2020, 10:10 AM)
This is not saying EPF will bankrupt.. if EPF bankrupt, then stocks in Malaysia will be much worse.

The diff between holding stocks vs EPF is liquidity.. in times of need , you have access to funds immediately ..

An extreme example is if you are dying in a years time , u can liquidate your stocks and spend the money the way u want ... not with EPF, it will be locked up and then your beneficiary can spend..

A less extreme example ... 10 years down the road.. u want to migrate... and u need money etc etc...

Basically, u are saying u want to earn extra 2% for giving out a 30 year loan...this loan cannot be terminated prematurely ..

And, even the extra 2% is debatable .... stocks might be able to earn 10% quite easily Over the long term... so, you end up locking yourself up and earn less.... not saying stocks will do better ... but there is a chance it will do better than 6%
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Give up MY citizenship, get new country citizenship, show to EPF that you surrendered M'sian citizenship, and EPF will lump sum give back to you (of course within reasonable processing time of weeks/months). No age restriction.
I have friends who migrated and withdraw all. Some still curi curi leave in EPF to compound interest.

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post Jan 10 2020, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Jan 10 2020, 12:56 PM)
Give up MY citizenship, get new country citizenship, show to EPF that you surrendered M'sian citizenship, and EPF will lump sum give back to you (of course within reasonable processing time of weeks/months). No age restriction.
I have friends who migrated and withdraw all. Some still curi curi leave in EPF to compound interest.
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Lol.. nobody is giving up Malaysian citizenship..if take PR only then cannot withdraw ... money stuck
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 10 2020, 12:53 PM)
Hi all,

I self-contributed to EPF a few days ago (in year 2020) but the money did not appear in my account after 2-3 days. In fact, upon login to i-akuan, only my account balance till 31 Dec 2019 appears.

If I click on the My Account tab, the contribution for 2020 is unavailable.

Can anyone who contributed early this year confirm this? Thanks
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login to kwsp, and check the "Withdrawal Eligibility". The Total Account Balance should reflect the actual balance, ie inclusive of your Jan's contribution.

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post Jan 10 2020, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jan 10 2020, 01:06 PM)
Lol.. nobody is giving up Malaysian citizenship..if take PR only then cannot withdraw ... money stuck
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Then, it is not called migration already rclxub.gif you should rephrase to work/stay at overseas for extended period of time.

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post Jan 10 2020, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:12 PM)
login to kwsp, and check the "Withdrawal Eligibility". The Total Account Balance should reflect the actual balance, ie inclusive of your Jan's contribution.
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can I ask....
can the contribution from the employee and employer that are deposited on 15 Jan be seen in that manner too after a few days, without having to wait till after dividend announcement?
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:16 PM

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why worry about EPF going bankrupt? Due to our population demographic, EPF's aum kept on increasing by at least 10% per year, and mostly due to member's contribution.

Every employees contribute regardless of ethnicity, age, gender, etc. So if anything happens, gov will pump money. Just like TH and kwap. why worry.
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:16 PM)
why worry about EPF going bankrupt? Due to our population demographic, EPF's aum kept on increasing by at least 10% per year, and mostly due to member's contribution.

Every employees contribute regardless of ethnicity, age, gender, etc.  So if anything happens, gov will pump money. Just like TH and kwap. why worry.
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Why u worry EPF bankrupt?
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 10 2020, 01:15 PM)
can I ask....
can the contribution from the employee and employer that are deposited on 15 Jan be seen in that manner too after a few days, without having to wait till after dividend announcement?
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Yes and No. If your firm's HR processed it exactly on 15 Jan (and not like batch it to some later date), then yes it can be seen.

The issue is when HR pay salary for say Jan, and claimed it is 15 Jan payment (i guess due to CNY), your net salary into your salary bank account may appear on 15 Jan. But your HR may choose to do the payment to EPF on Feb 10.
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Jan 10 2020, 01:14 PM)
Then, it is not called migration already rclxub.gif you should rephrase to work/stay at overseas for extended period of time.
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Migration with PR also migration what....

If you say extended stay/work overseas also face the same problem of not being able to withdraw from EPF if you need the money to start life overseas
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:18 PM)
Yes and No. If your firm's HR processed it exactly on 15 Jan (and not like batch it to some later date), then yes it can be seen.

The issue is when HR pay salary for say Jan, and claimed it is 15 Jan payment (i guess due to CNY), your net salary into your salary bank account may appear on 15 Jan. But your HR may choose to do the payment to EPF on Feb 10.
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what if they paid the end Dec salary on 31 Dec but EPF deducted from the 31 Dec salary, but paid/submit contribution on 15 Jan....will that EPF contribution be shown in the "withdrawal eligibility" method too...(maybe on 18 Jan)?
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 10 2020, 01:22 PM)
what if they paid the end Dec salary on 31 Dec but EPF deducted from the 31 Dec salary, but paid/submit contribution on 15 Jan....will that EPF contribution be shown in the "withdrawal eligibility" method too...(maybe on 18 Jan)?
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this one yes. it should appear. At least it did in previous years when I checked.
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:30 PM)
this one yes. it should appear. At least it did in previous years when I checked.
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QUOTE(mavistan89 @ Jan 3 2020, 06:12 PM)
Yes, the self contribution and deduction for January2020 will only be seen after dividend is released.
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can try check out the method as in below post

QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:12 PM)
login to kwsp, and check the "Withdrawal Eligibility". The Total Account Balance should reflect the actual balance, ie inclusive of your Jan's contribution.
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post Jan 10 2020, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jan 10 2020, 10:10 AM)
This is not saying EPF will bankrupt.. if EPF bankrupt, then stocks in Malaysia will be much worse.

The diff between holding stocks vs EPF is liquidity.. in times of need , you have access to funds immediately ..

An extreme example is if you are dying in a years time , u can liquidate your stocks and spend the money the way u want ... not with EPF, it will be locked up and then your beneficiary can spend..

A less extreme example ... 10 years down the road.. u want to migrate... and u need money etc etc...

Basically, u are saying u want to earn extra 2% for giving out a 30 year loan...this loan cannot be terminated prematurely ..

And, even the extra 2% is debatable .... stocks might be able to earn 10% quite easily Over the long term... so, you end up locking yourself up and earn less.... not saying stocks will do better ... but there is a chance it will do better than 6%
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but if we ever plan to migrate, I do believe we can withdraw our funds completely.

I’m a stocks holder and a EPF contribution. I think doing both is the best of both worlds haha
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QUOTE(ywliang96 @ Jan 10 2020, 02:13 PM)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if we ever plan to migrate, I do believe we can withdraw our funds completely.

I’m a stocks holder and a EPF contribution. I think doing both is the best of both worlds haha
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Migrate but still maintain citizenship la...if u give up citizenship then u can withdraw... but it is foolish to do so..
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post Jan 10 2020, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:12 PM)
login to kwsp, and check the "Withdrawal Eligibility". The Total Account Balance should reflect the actual balance, ie inclusive of your Jan's contribution.
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Thanks, I can confirm that is the right amount. Makes me wonder why EPF don't update the main page figures immediately but only the figures buried after accessing a few tabs and buttons.
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post Jan 31 2020, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 8 2020, 09:51 AM)
what is the "last" date to put in, to be eligible for the FULL Jan dividend calculation?
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Official responses from EPF :

1. the dividend calculation for the contribution is based on one day for the contribution month.<snipped>
Thus, if you wish to get dividend for 2020, you may contribute any day in December 2019.

2. Kindly be informed, any contribution payment made via electronic payment methods will be processed by the bank within three working days from date of payment. The Bank Website payment status will then be updated in the EPF system within the period.

So there is no definite answer to your question. From my experience with Public Bank, 2019, Day 1 pay EPF, Day 3 reflected on EPF online as Day 2.

I just repeated this yesterday, Jan 30 (Day 1). Will know after 2020 contributions are reflected, which is after dividend day, or maybe I can use the trick below on Feb 1. If there's any delay, I lose 1 month dividend.

QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 10 2020, 02:58 PM)
Thanks, I can confirm that is the right amount. Makes me wonder why EPF don't update the main page figures immediately but only the figures buried after accessing a few tabs and buttons.
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Because it's waiting for the 2019 dividend.

This post has been edited by beLIEve: Jan 31 2020, 04:00 AM
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post Jan 31 2020, 06:28 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 31 2020, 03:31 AM)
Official responses from EPF :

1. the dividend calculation for the contribution is based on one day for the contribution month.<snipped>
Thus, if you wish to get dividend for 2020, you may contribute any day in December 2019.

2. Kindly be informed, any contribution payment made via electronic payment methods will be processed by the bank within three working days from date of payment. The Bank Website payment status will then be updated in the EPF system within the period.

So there is no definite answer to your question. From my experience with Public Bank, 2019, Day 1 pay EPF, Day 3 reflected on EPF online as Day 2.

I just repeated this yesterday, Jan 30 (Day 1). Will know after 2020 contributions are reflected, which is after dividend day, or maybe I can use the trick below on Feb 1. If there's any delay, I lose 1 month dividend.
Because it's waiting for the 2019 dividend.
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thumbsup.gif thanks for getting the EPF's reply...
so if the contribution is "late" to enter EPF and assumed to be in EPF on 2 Jan,......then it will be pro rated (less 1 day) of the whole year dividend?
so assuming RM60k lump sum "late" at 6% = 3600/365 = approximately RM9.80 less for each 1 day late?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 31 2020, 06:28 AM)
thumbsup.gif thanks for getting the EPF's reply...
so if the contribution is "late" to enter EPF and assumed to be in EPF on 2 Jan,......then it will be pro rated (less 1 day) of the whole year dividend?
so assuming RM60k lump sum "late" at 6%  = 3600/365 = approximately RM9.80 less for each 1 day late?
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oh no worries. I asked this a few months ago.

If Jan 1 in, you only get 1 day for Jan's dividend. no pro-rates. pro-rate is for withdrawals. Jan 2, 3. 4, etc all get same amount of dividend for Jan, i.e. 1 day only

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 31 2020, 10:30 AM)
oh no worries. I asked this a few months ago.

If Jan 1 in, you only get 1 day for Jan's dividend. no pro-rates. pro-rate is for withdrawals. Jan 2, 3. 4, etc all get same amount of dividend for Jan, i.e. 1 day only
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thumbsup.gif notworthy.gif thanks for pointing out.
will have to keep this in my mind.
I will only get 1 day of dividend payment for that month, no matter when the new contributed money is in the EPF for that month....no pro prorate benefits for contribution.
Only withdrawal date variance will have the pro rate benefits.
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