Juve? CIty have to get past Tottenham first. Spurs is one hell of a strange team. Can beat Barca & Dortmund but loses to Burnley & Southampton  I won't rule out a win for Spurs in UCL.

He's the last man, covering 2 Spurs players. Money well spent.

A little bit of an exaggeration here I think? Made one tackle, that led to the chance that Salah should have passed to Mane instead.
I do think we look better everytime he plays in 2-man mid.

Henderson 7 ball-winning actions in 77 mins
Milner 13 in 77'
Fabinho 7 in 13'

I think Hendo's has improved a lot to where his speed of thought can make up for his lack of physical speed, he could literally release the ball the moment he receives it, although most of the time he just square it to the player holding the same line as him.

Not quite sure why lack of speed invites pressure, especially when he can make up for it with speed of thought. Have you forgotten that he was a beast against Munich like 1 month plus ago?

edit: sorry, got the game wrong

Err no? He passes backwards because of lack of vision, as well as lack of penetrative passes in him, speed doesn't give you that. And he doesn't really pass backwards, he passes sideways actually.
We stopped playing for the ball, meaning we don't wanna control the possession anymore in the 2nd half, we just hit it long and hope Salah could break, that's why the mid struggled. I'm sure we have seen that many times before this season.

And you do realize that Fabinho came on when we try to regain the lead right? Going 4-2-3-1 and all that? I'm saying it's kinda simplistic to say Hendo affects that much.

They only played 4-3-3 when Son was brought on in place of D.Sanchez at 69th min, so they playing 5-2-3 didn't give Hendo the freedom, we wanted to play then. Are you blind to the fact that we just sit back in the 2nd half that everyone's play was affected and not just Hendo's? I'm not gonna defend his limitations but pls base you criticism on facts.

Obviously you have been April-Fooled by someone. Yeah Fab won every tackle since he came on. You know how many tackle he attempted? 1. I personally do not see any difference in the speed of Fab & Hendo that you are trying to make an issue out of here.

I do not know where you get that stats. He had no interceptions, only 1 tackle; Milner made 1 tackle, no interception; Hendo 2 tackles, 2 interceptions.

LOL, I was not name calling anyone, I don't do that. I said 'blind to the fact', not 'blind'. I said 'April Fooled' not 'stop being a fool'. Yes, pls stick to the point of discussion: the 100% tackling of Fabinho (lol) and the stats that you brought in, pls back them up.

Dude, I wasn't the one who said they played 4-3-3, only countering you here. Rose moved up, they played 4-4-2, almost a 4-5-1 with Kane dropping deep. I'm sure you are aware that's why they dominated and not only Hendo's freedom is limited, but so is everyone's, why the focus on Hendo here???

You know correlation is not causation right? In the first half I'm sure we attacked with speed too. They then changed system, we didn't. Do you also know that Hendo & Fab played in different systems that game? 4-3-3 vs 4-2-3-1. In one there are 3 nominal attackers, in the other there are 4. Is it all about Fab vs Hendo in that game? I'd think not.

Don't get me wrong, I could totally see Fab is a better player than Hendo, but to pinpoint our struggle down to one player seems to be really simplistic.

It was also very obvious that everyone played better in the first half, and suck in the 2nd half up to their equalizer. So? I'm asking you why the focus on Hendo here?

I'm not concerned with abilities here, why shift the goalpost? I'm against your simplistic argument of "Hendo off, Fab on changes the game", which you haven't proved so far? Don't wanna talk about the 100% tackling success rate of Fab anymore? Individually I agree Fab is better than Hendo.

So Hendo could not play in 2-man mid to allow a more attacking formation = bad? While Fab supposedly couldn't play in 3-man mid which would allow Klopp to play the front 3 the way they work best = good? Context doesn't matter, amirite? Since you think that he couldn't play in mid 2 because of his lack of speed, pls prove he is indeed not speedy enough and speed is crucial there. Because I always think it's just because he is not a natural DM like Fab is.

i know some defended hendo and some like fabinho too. i respect that. but you guys must admit that fabinho is more versatile than hendo. fabinho range of passing, positioning & defending is far superior but sometime a little calamitous too. at a good time, hendo do play like a champion...but....

remember last season when everybody was salivating for keita. can't wait for him to arrive and partner hendo. but it's fabinho now forcing keita to sit the bench. majority wants fabinho to be the 1st eleven instead of hendo. that is my preference anyway

yup. i do agree with u. hendo do keep the midfield quite tight, especially vs very good team. and he was lost on the 2nd half vs spurs. milner too...haish

Wow, so much of "stop personal attacks" then you started it eh?
So Hendo was the sole reason that we were under pressure? I thought it was because they switched to an almost 5 man midfield, 4 of them operated narrowly hence have a numerical advantage over our mid? Which is why they dominated possession? When the whole team can't press them effectively, let's just focus on Hendo right?
That's what I call simplistic view. They changed their systems to 4-3-3 right before they got their equalizer, then went back to 3-5-2 when Lucas Moura was subbed out. It's not Fab do better than Hendo in the same situation, stop painting it as such. Also, we didn't play any better after that, and let's not talk about the fluke goal like it's due to some good play...
I'm not Klopp, can't answer that for him. But maybe because Klopp is blind? Or maybe you know, Fab can't play in 3-man mid and Klopp wants to play 3-man mid because that allows the front 3 to work best?
And oh yes, because he cannot handle speedy midfielders, he recycle backward or sideways, I totally see the causality there. Silly me for thinking it's because he has poor vision and just a really poor deep mid.
I have repeatedly said that Fab is individually better than Hendo. What I disagree is your simplistic view that Hendo was the only reason we suffered in the 2nd half leading to their equalizer. Get it now? Drop your graphs, I ain't interested in that argument.

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