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TSalexkos
post Nov 7 2019, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 7 2019, 10:23 AM)
Yes bro. Free je. Kasi hantam dia. Good stuff actually. Fund industries will hate these kind of videos.
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post Nov 7 2019, 02:52 PM

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post Nov 7 2019, 03:08 PM

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Careful bro must post content ya... If not mod cari I for justification I kantoi.

BTW those interested in more global index than sp500 can lookup EIMI... Emerging market exposure.

But TER 0.18% I dun like....
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post Nov 7 2019, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Nov 7 2019, 03:08 PM)
Careful bro must post content ya... If not mod cari I for justification I kantoi.

BTW those interested in more global index than sp500 can lookup EIMI... Emerging market exposure.

But TER 0.18% I dun like....
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I changed my mind about my post but there's no delete button.
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post Nov 7 2019, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 7 2019, 10:48 AM)
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Thanks. I deducted the expense 1st then added the dividend, came to the same conclusion.

On a separate note, I checked the spreads yesterday... sxr8 was 6-8 cents, while voo was 8-10 cents.

So sxr8 it is thumbup.gif

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post Nov 7 2019, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Nov 7 2019, 03:08 PM)
Careful bro must post content ya... If not mod cari I for justification I kantoi.

BTW those interested in more global index than sp500 can lookup EIMI... Emerging market exposure.

But TER 0.18% I dun like....
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That's just emerging market. To start off it's probably cheaper to just buy 1 ticker VWRA which is roughly 90:10 developed:emerging and not worry about rebalancing
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post Nov 8 2019, 07:28 AM

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any QQQ denominated in EUR?
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post Nov 8 2019, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 7 2019, 08:41 PM)
That's just emerging market. To start off it's probably cheaper to just buy 1 ticker VWRA which is roughly 90:10 developed:emerging and not worry about rebalancing
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VWRA got Ireland domiciled?
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post Nov 8 2019, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Nov 8 2019, 07:28 AM)
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any QQQ denominated in EUR?
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You mean the currency or where it's domiciled? Try EQQQ?
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post Nov 8 2019, 10:29 AM

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Sifus here, want to ask.

In the first post it is mentioned that the most cost effective amount to hoot is 18k, we get the most out of our money.

This means that if I wanted to DCA in the most effective way, I must do it 18k at a time. right?
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post Nov 8 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Nov 8 2019, 10:29 AM)
Sifus here, want to ask.

In the first post it is mentioned that the most cost effective amount to hoot is 18k, we get the most out of our money.

This means that if I wanted to DCA in the most effective way, I must do it 18k at a time. right?
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No lah.

18k myr or 4k euro ... because he wanna minimize brokerage at 0.1% or min 4 euro per order at captrader

At tradestation global min is 1.5 euro I think so you work the maths lor

Buy as your funds permit lah imho. Hoot/dca one a year 18k not necessarily effective if bull run... if bear bear... then different story
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 8 2019, 11:18 AM)
No lah.

18k myr or 4k euro ... because he wanna minimize brokerage at 0.1% or min 4 euro per order at captrader

At tradestation global min is 1.5 euro I think so you work the maths lor

Buy as your funds permit lah imho. Hoot/dca one a year 18k not necessarily effective if bull run... if bear bear... then different story
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Now the min hooting budget is 7k. Can hoot with tradestation global. Cheapest
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post Nov 8 2019, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Nov 8 2019, 12:32 PM)
Now the min hooting budget is 7k. Can hoot with tradestation global. Cheapest
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alright cool smile.gif

but how do we know if tradestation global is really holding the assets on behalf of us? Or do we just need to take their word for it?

if they gg, our money also gg?

also, is the 7k hoot on tradestation global more cost effective than the 18k hoot on captrader?

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post Nov 8 2019, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Nov 8 2019, 12:45 PM)
alright cool smile.gif

but how do we know if tradestation global is really holding the assets on behalf of us? Or do we just need to take their word for it?

if they gg, our money also gg?

also, is the 7k hoot on tradestation global more cost effective than the 18k hoot on captrader?
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Take their words

Almost impossible to gg lah...ibkr holding > $150 bil customers assets...its more than 50% of Malaysia gdp... definitely get us gov bailout if happens

No. Captrader 0.1% fee vs 0.12%...but have to hoot 18k lor
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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 6 2019, 08:51 PM)
For example iShares ETF S&P 500 would hold Apple shares. Apple would pay out dividend to iShares. Those dividends are taxable even though it is not distributed to ETF holder.

Berky is different in a way that it is a holding company and not fund manager. It has controlling rights to stocks it invests in and employs tricks like share swaps, parking assets under various sub entities like the insurance companies it owns to be tax 'efficient'. BlackRock iShares won't be able to do employ such creative tricks since the stock shares are ringfenced by trustees
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Even the ETF domiciled in US also kena tax when US company pay dividend?

My understanding is:
US company pay dividend to US ETF (no tax), but US ETF pay dividend to us (30% WHT)
US company pay dividend to non-US ETF (15% WHT), if non-US ETF pay dividned to us (15% WHT)
US company pay dividend to non-US ETF (15% WHT), if non-US ETF accumulated dividend (no tax)

Any sifus can share a bit?


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post Nov 8 2019, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Nov 8 2019, 12:45 PM)
alright cool smile.gif

but how do we know if tradestation global is really holding the assets on behalf of us? Or do we just need to take their word for it?

if they gg, our money also gg?

also, is the 7k hoot on tradestation global more cost effective than the 18k hoot on captrader?
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i think need to see whether they got any protection or not.

Tradestation global using IB and IB is under SIPC (something like PIDM for Malaysia Bank), according to SIPC website the limit of SIPC protection is $500,000, which includes a $250,000 limit for cash and no requirement that a customer reside in or be a citizen of the United States. A non-U.S. citizen with an account at a brokerage firm that is a member of SIPC is treated the same as a resident or citizen of the United States with an account at a SIPC member brokerage firm.

So as long dont invest more than USD500k should be quite safe la tongue.gif

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post Nov 8 2019, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 8 2019, 01:10 PM)
Take their words

Almost impossible to gg lah...ibkr holding > $150 bil customers assets...its more than 50% of Malaysia gdp... definitely get us gov bailout if happens

No. Captrader 0.1% fee vs 0.12%...but have to hoot 18k lor
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I see, thanks thanks. i guess small fry like me just worry too much when though only small amounts of money involved.
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post Nov 9 2019, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(Chounz @ Nov 8 2019, 03:10 PM)
Even the ETF domiciled in US also kena tax when US company pay dividend?

My understanding is:
US company pay dividend to US ETF (no tax), but US ETF pay dividend to us (30% WHT)
US company pay dividend to non-US ETF (15% WHT), if non-US ETF pay dividned to us (15% WHT)
US company pay dividend to non-US ETF (15% WHT), if non-US ETF accumulated dividend (no tax)

Any sifus can share a bit?
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Wrong.
US company pay dividend to non-US ETF (15% WHT), if non-US ETF accumulated dividend (15% tax already included into price)
- cannot run away unless you are US citizen. Then you kena capital gain tax devil.gif

QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Nov 8 2019, 04:58 PM)
I see, thanks thanks. i guess small fry like me just worry too much when though only small amounts of money involved.
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If you worry go study their finances. When they have no debt what is there to worry. They are publicly listed tongue.gif
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post Nov 9 2019, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Nov 8 2019, 08:01 AM)
VWRA got Ireland domiciled?
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It is Irish, the distributing version is VWRD

QUOTE(Chounz @ Nov 8 2019, 03:10 PM)
Even the ETF domiciled in US also kena tax when US company pay dividend?

My understanding is:
US company pay dividend to US ETF (no tax), but US ETF pay dividend to us (30% WHT)
US company pay dividend to non-US ETF (15% WHT), if non-US ETF pay dividned to us (15% WHT)
US company pay dividend to non-US ETF (15% WHT), if non-US ETF accumulated dividend (no tax)

Any sifus can share a bit?
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I may not be 100% accurate, but I like to see it this way for Malaysian tax resident:
US stock pay dividend US ETF, fund manager handles 0% WHT and pays out dividends -> broker withholds 30% tax -> investor
US stock pay dividend Irish ETF, fund manager handles 15% WHT and pays out dividends -> broker withholds 0% -> investor
US stock pay dividend Irish ETF, fund manager handles 15% WHT and reinvests

QUOTE(Chounz @ Nov 8 2019, 03:15 PM)
i think need to see whether they got any protection or not.

Tradestation global using IB and IB is under SIPC (something like PIDM for Malaysia Bank), according to SIPC website the limit of SIPC protection is $500,000, which includes a $250,000 limit for cash and no requirement that a customer reside in or be a citizen of the United States. A non-U.S. citizen with an account at a brokerage firm that is a member of SIPC is treated the same as a resident or citizen of the United States with an account at a SIPC member brokerage firm.

So as long dont invest more than USD500k should be quite safe la  tongue.gif
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PIDM equivalent is FDIC
SIPC is protection for securities

One thing to note when you're signing up for TradeStation Global is that it is an introducting broker for Interactive Brokers UK Ltd, not Interactive Brokers LLC (US). Thus, I'll assume only UK FCA's FSCS protection.

You can technically get more than $500k protection. Once your account reaches USD$100,000 you may transfer to Interactive Brokers LLC. You get:
- FDIC for cash (any currency)
- Excess cash protection with sweep account feature (distributes your cash across multiple banks)
- SPIC for securities
- Excess securities protection insured by Lloyd's
- Of course, cheaper trade commissions
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post Nov 9 2019, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 7 2019, 08:41 PM)
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Boss... any high income type products to recommend... ?

I was just checking ibkr margin financing, for EUR rate is say 1.5%, so if you get 3% interest / dividend... basically gaji buta1.5% right, ignore wht and price fluctuations for simplicity.

USD lending rate is say 3%... so if I need USD, best to first short EUR.USD, essentially borrowing EUR at 1.5% to sell for USD.

This post has been edited by dwRK: Nov 9 2019, 01:03 PM

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