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rcracer
post Feb 17 2019, 01:17 PM

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the captain seats nice
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post Feb 17 2019, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 17 2019, 04:43 PM)
Wait until bermaz Malaysia strip down most features but still put premium price.

Inb4 foresee the digital speedometer will gone for Malaysia spec/market.
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digital for sure is gone, but it looks garbage anyways with that clear outline right in the middle of the dash

but the captain seats is confirmed spec.
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post Oct 1 2019, 09:19 PM

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2.2d , hold the pedal down and watch the sped climb
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post Oct 3 2019, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 3 2019, 10:57 AM)
Bermaz, be a sport la....

Dare to challenge HQ and ask for region special, the CX8 2.5L Turbo. Then you see the volume picking up faster.

Since already in cx5, this one almost zero problem as the engine bay is 99% same.

Why :
1) diesel is not our market choice, sini petrol dominate  flex.gif
2) any diesel suv, default look to korean, not easy to fight their value proposition, kia/hyundai play this space almost a decade earlier
3) no mainstream player (toyota/honda/nissan/proton) has a high powered turbocharged mid size suv (and because your cx9 siao expensive, people rather pay for q5/x1/x3/glc even though a smaller)
--> especially appealing to potential CRV customers that feels like the 1.5T is under powered (there will be some volume) but don't want to consider proton X70
4) skyactiv-D engine recommend euro5 diesel; although now more widespread, still not available everywhere. You are limiting your potential in certain areas.
5) your skyactiv-D have DPF, another added maintenance item, hence the requirement of higher quality diesel (related to item 4). Did you seriously educate your customers that bought diesel the quirks of DPF?
--> korean diesel engine no DPF, can hantam euro2 even in ulu areas, no need worry.

That's why 2.5T cx8 will sell better. Bermaz, i showed you the market gap, call me yumcha  devil.gif
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2.2d has been around since 2016 , no issues related to dpf also , just drive like normal car

euro 2 even without dpf is bad for the engine already


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post Oct 4 2019, 06:03 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 3 2019, 10:23 PM)
DPF equipped diesel engines are rare in our market, so no one really knows the quirks and do's/don'ts of DPF :
1) If turn off engine during regen, do it too many times, you literally "flood" your crankcase with diesel. Hence there are 2 marks on the dipstick of a diesel engine with DPF. Breached upper limit, means drain everything, replace with new oil.
2) with diesel in the crankcase, the engine oil itself is diluted, meaning the lubrication properties are not optimal, causing added wear to the components.
3) DPF is a maintenance item, once filled up, best is to change the whole DPF, and these costs quite some money.

The only saving grace is that our climate is hot, so the regen can technically be quicker/faster.

So how many people actually knows these quirks? Did bermaz properly educate these buyers on these quirks and tell them what to look out for?

Owning a diesel vehicle with DPF is only optimal for those people that pile on a lot of mileage and accrue savings from the fuel consumption (as we know that diesel fuel consumption on highway cruising is significantly lower compared to petrol counterpart).

Euro2 or euro5 is a non issue with engine longevity. Starex run by transportation companies that ran up few hundred thousand km also runs quite ok on euro2, so if properly designed, really not a problem. But it affects emissions, which to majority of malaysians, something out of their mind frankly (see the amount of litter in our surroundings and our toxic rivers? Yeah, we may personally not be the perpetrator but because of the overall society's sense of awareness of environmental preservation is almost non existence, perpetrators are not treated seriously/condoned/ignored/sometimes celebrated....)

By limiting to only euro5, the market reach becomes constricted. Hence, i say for the bottom line of bermaz, 2.5T will be a better volume driver of cx8.
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boss , I'm owner of 2.2d , together in club with 12 others all diesel.

zero issues
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post Oct 4 2019, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Oct 4 2019, 08:41 AM)
How long have you owned the diesel? What's the mileage now?

Heard that it's not as fuel economical if compared to the Beemer's diesel. True?
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my record 960km full tank no light yet , average 5.9l/100km

not sure about conti

on road since March 2017

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Oct 4 2019, 09:39 AM)
wait for 150k km.
one cx5 prefacelift 2.5 get a gearbox change due to gb problem. is this due to Mazda malaysia opted for seal for life gb oil, mean no need to change gb oil?
rm23k for gb replacement parts, not including service charge. luckily he get mazda japan warranty after few email.

cx5 fb club
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gearbox nothing to do with type.of engine, Mazda bulletin say don't change oil over and over , many ignore gearbox fucked claim mazda
QUOTE(4WD_er @ Oct 4 2019, 10:16 AM)
Wait for higher mileage to come, in Taiwan Mazda pull out all diesel models as they encounter big issue there that the car buyers staged protest like those of VW owners in Malaysia.  Protest kaw kaw in front of Mazda HQ in Taipei.
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heard this story , never had same issue here at all not even one reported , Taiwan bodo dunno how drive car
QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 4 2019, 10:40 AM)
Yes, still new. Those that are driving in mostly start stop city urban could likely face issue earlier.
All skyactiv gearbox sama je....

Pandai pandai, latest at year 5, at least request drain and fill transmission fluid. Less than RM200 job. No such thing as lifetime, unless the lifetime is 5 year max, within those lease period of 3-4 years in western markets.

On the side note, a lot of more recent models opt for "sealed lifetime" style, not limited to mazda. So again, pandai pandai....
I read that before issue last year, hopefully the same one you're referring to. The details seemed to relate to engine oil dilution issue, causing sub optimal lubrication and ultimately failing some engines.

Diesel engines with DPF never meant for dense urban environment with lots of start stops, where the DPF can't reach optimal operating temperature. Optimal at long distance cruising. If no DPF, no need worry.

I'm not advocating to remove DPF, because it really works trapping alot of the soot/crap from diesel exhaust fumes. But really, understand how the system works and evaluate against own driving situation. For dense urban driving, please understand the risks, if not get regular petrol.

(ah well, in the near future will have PPF, petrol particulate filters, some new models of european marque already has them in their home markets....)

Hence, again, i stress, those with diesel dpf engines, always check your engine oil dipstick monthly. If reached top most max line, get your engine oil replaced. This is a must basic that i don't know whether bermaz educate their skyactiv diesel customer or not. Don't wait till got dashboard light or error message baru pergi check.
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mileage 37,000km only , city stop start supposedly guaranteed kill dpf , nothing also , own self scare sendiri

QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Oct 4 2019, 02:03 PM)
Do you pile on mileage ?
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no , 37,000 until today only , city putt around

don't listen my father brother sister uncle second wife daughter stories , hear from owner

This post has been edited by rcracer: Oct 4 2019, 06:02 PM
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post Oct 11 2019, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Oct 11 2019, 12:19 PM)
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovati...b5ccc875a935a79

Mazda Australia will recall more than 35,000 versions of the Mazda 3, 6 and CX-5 over several issues that could cause engine failure in some circumstances.

All affected models were sold between 2012 and 2018 and are equipped with a diesel engine.
The problems stem from a build-up of carbon deposits and premature wear of certain engine components.

There are wide-ranging symptoms that can affect the vehicle’s performance which can increase the risk of an accident and injury to the driver and other road users.

Some of the issues include a gradual drop in power, multiple dashboard warning lights, increased braking distance, a stalled engine that fails to restart and smoke coming from the engine bay.
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oh shit, mazda diesel for sale , PM for details
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post Nov 2 2019, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(nabelon @ Nov 2 2019, 10:58 AM)
Yes there are/were issues with Mazda Skyactiv Diesels, unfortunately these cars are being sold as 'daily runabouts', salesman says will not have any problems...They are very wrong (I am an ex Mazda Manager).
No 'clean' Diesel Engine car should be used as a suburban runabout as they need long distant use (about 45 minute one way once every week) so the Diesel Particulate Filter deposits can be burnt off.
If car is doing constant short trips you get Oil Level (Dipstick) Rising as Fuel is being dumped past Piston Ring as engine is not getting hot enough.

If you are doing lots of short trips I suggest you manually do a DPF Regeneration of DPFilter do the following....Must park car in well ventilated area with plenty of fuel in tank.

''Within six (6) seconds of starting the engine, press and hold the "TCS OFF" or "DSC OFF" button for 2-5 seconds to start the DPF Regeneration.
The engine idle will raise to 1750 rpm for 15-25 minutes until the DPF Regeneration is completed.
NOTE: Do Not hold the "TCS OFF" or "DSC OFF" button longer than ten (10) seconds or DTC C0089:64 will set. The glow plug indicator on Dash will flash during this manual DPF Regeneration process.''

But Yes, Australia needs a USA 'Lemon Law' that works, relying on ACCC is just too difficult a process.

Read this on the accc website
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QUOTE(evolution120 @ Nov 2 2019, 11:15 AM)
does doing high rev with short distance have the same effect as with doing normal rev with long distance will help burnt off the deposits?

i was been told that these diesel engines requires some sort of italian tune up once in a while.
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garbage advice , Mazda 6 2.2D owner here , daily drive in city , no issues whatsoever

Aussie just being the whiny bitches they are , one guy say and keep parroting from one magazine to next
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post Nov 2 2019, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(evolution120 @ Nov 2 2019, 05:13 PM)
First geh cx5 2.2d owner here too. It’s my daily drive car too, here and there, driving about 200km+- per day. The engine temp is missing on this model itself, not sure about m6 though. But I did bought a obd meter to monitor the temp, just it case it goes too high, but sometimes the temp will rise to about 100 deg cel during bumper to bumper jam. Not sure if that’s the normal temp for diesel car.
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diesels are efficient at higher temps, because the only thing that will cause combustion is the heat of the highly compressed air.

in fact the engine is so efficient it's takes little to drop below 100

 

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