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 ILLEGEAR Selenite Discussion Thread V1, world’s first 17.3” bezel-less laptop

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post Mar 14 2019, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(Omega5777 @ Mar 14 2019, 02:52 PM)
I dont really mind the usb port location as will be using wireless almost all the time  smile.gif
As for the mech keyboard, it is one of the reasons i went with Selenite. The cap 3 brown switch is really awesome.
Though it does need some slight adjustment time to get used to.
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I like mechanical keyboard too but strangely I feel my Lenovo Thinkpad keyboard is better than my Selenite, though the Selenite advantage is the full size keyboard which include the num pad where Thinkpad don't have that.


Just try it side by side with my Thinkpad I know the different now it's the response on the key press, I can feel it clearly the bounce-back force of each key press in Thinkpad which is like a feed back to me tell me that i pressed the key where Selenite the bounce-back force it's not as strong.

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post Mar 16 2019, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(Volt @ Mar 15 2019, 11:03 PM)
Nice quick review man, I myself got the selenite just recently after sold my Z5 around a week ago and I'm quite satisfied with my purchased.
My initial impression was mostly positive, I'm very surprise that this 17 inch laptop is noticeable lighter then my tanky Z5. My Z5 serve me well but after carrying it around 2 years to my workplace, I think its time to move on to a lighter laptop. Plus with a bigger screen and a better spec its a great upgrade to me. The only thing I'm disappointed at first is the speaker and keyboard. So far after doing some tuning, the speaker sound alright now but for the keyboard, I still cant get used to it. Its feel....weird typing on it  sweat.gif
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Does your Sound Blaster work? the volume is very low if sound blaster doesn't work. you can try to change this to loud as shown in the ss below.

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Check your windows update for sound blaster driver update if it doesn't work.


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but I still have some issue with the sound which is occasionally buzz sound out of nowhere, do you guy have the same problem?
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post Mar 16 2019, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(Volt @ Mar 16 2019, 02:53 PM)
Mine work properly but even after some fiddling on the setting its still not that loud or clear as other brand. I used to own a few MSI, Asus and Lenovo laptop and they sounded better without even need to tune the setting. As for selenite, I think its alright enough to watch youtube or movie by yourself. Luckily I use my earphone most of the time so it doesn't bother me much.
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I found that if sound blaster work it sound a lot better before that my sound blaster show offline in game the volume super low.

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post Mar 19 2019, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(l2k @ Mar 18 2019, 07:27 PM)
More sharing from me smile.gif

More undervolt:
By no means the machine is running hot, but I am a fan of high efficiency and striving to run the machine as cool as possible. Additionally, also helps to prolong the component lifetime. After some researching, fiddling around, able to achieve a stable undervolt of -185mV via bios. Running prime95 after 40mins, temp is at 90C but probably due to very high power limit set by BIOS straight out from factory (85W !), constant 3.9Ghz boost clock. For moderate demand game like POE, temp is at about 60C with fan barely audible.

GPU tuning
Undervolt RTX2060 to about 700mV @ 1400Mhz and stable, I suppose I can bump up the core higher but my intention is not to achieve best performance but to lower thermal. Game like POE easily break 144fps with high setting, but if I cap the frame to 60fps thermal is only 60C.

Overall, internal fan is kept at low speed and is barely audible  biggrin.gif Seems like selenite's 5 heatpipes, dual fans with 4 vent holes + undervolt really do a decent job here. Had a desktop before with blower style GPU, never thought a laptop can be more quiet than a desktop gaming machine. tongue.gif

Cinebench R15 score close to 1300.
Superposition extreme score @ 3550

Built-in Speaker
If I were to pick the weakest link of Illegear Selenite, it would be the speaker. My volume is alright (sound blaster working fine) but it sounds a bit hollow. My guess is the midrange and bass is a bit lacking. Have not played too much with the setting but it is definitely not a decent one. Not a deal breaker though. Anyway, plan to buy a decent bluetooth ANC headphone, I guess I won't spend too much time fiddling with this.

Have not really done any intense FPS gaming for long hour to verify the temp and stability, don't really have much time for gaming nowadays unfortunately.
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Can't get mine pass -100mv long hour of usage will get BSOD although initially work ok even at -150mv, now settle at -100mv touch wood tongue.gif
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post Mar 19 2019, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(King91OM @ Mar 19 2019, 03:58 PM)
Would like to ask. I'm choosing between Onyx & Selenite. I heard reviews mentioned that Onyx has very loud fan noise when you're gaming & Selenite has much better fan noise tolerance.

For those who is using Selenite currently, is the noise fan too noisy or still bearable?
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I play Dota 2 and League of legend at max setting so far I didn't notice any fan noise, at least the fan noise is low enough not to take my attention away from the game.

Never try any triple A game yet so no comment for those high demanding game.


I choose Selenite because of

1. bigger screen useful when i work with multiple documents or photo editing software (another solution is plug in external monitor)
2. Windows Hello facial recognition login. (lazy to type password tongue.gif plus login to windows faster)
3. Better cooling performance, for gaming laptop better cooling mean better performance because of less throttling.
4. Soft touch palm rest area is better than Aluminium body of Onyx which is finger print magnet.


but Selenite is less portability than Onyx because it has bigger size.


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post Mar 20 2019, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(l2k @ Mar 20 2019, 03:52 PM)
The 60C probably is just for not so demanding game like POE as the CPU load was only like 20-30% most of the time at 3.9Ghz. My guess is for AAA game, it will definitely go higher. I have temporary ditched throttlestop and only undervolted via BIOS. I guess the question is do we really need the CPU to be turboed all the time at 3.9Ghz? If not, I guess by using throttlestop to limit the multiplifer would be an effective step to lower down the temp.

On the GPU, it seems like you able to hit a very high core clock on your 2060  drool.gif  From what I know, the difference between mobility and desktop 2060 are as below:

RTX2060
                Laptop      Desktop
Default      960Mhz    1365Mhz
Boost      1200Mhz    1680Mhz
TDP        80-90W      160W

What you achieved is even faster than desktop version. Are you able to achieve a stable core clock? From my own testing, I have never seen the core voltage go above 1.1V and it was limited by the power profile.
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sometime i see my gpu boosted to 1620 lolz not sure it's real or not.

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post Mar 21 2019, 05:58 PM

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I have the same issue with crackling sound it came out randomly, if you turn down the sub woofer it will be fine, i guess something to do with sub woofer.
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post Mar 23 2019, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(mynameisnotryan @ Mar 21 2019, 06:14 PM)
Don't really wanna risk taking it apart, I'm gonna just bring it back to them to see how it plays out. Hopefully, a solution will be found.
Do you know how I can turn the subwoofer down?
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Here you go but not recommended

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volt mentioned less than 90% volume work but I havent test that.

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post Mar 29 2019, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(l2k @ Mar 29 2019, 10:15 AM)
I do agree with you Illegear should follow up closely and come out with a solution.

However, the more I search for this issue, the more it points towards driver compatibility issue (if the driver was designed to play well with windows 10 fast boot).

FYI, windows 10 fast boot stores all the kernel and drivers in the hard drive to facilitate a faster boot up, your laptop enters a state between hibernation and shutdown, so it means the laptop is never fully shutdown. I assume if realtek doesn't have good support for this feature, once you restart and go back to windows, driver may have issues (hence the latency issue).

If it is really Realtek driver issue, I bet the full solution is only thru new driver release.

Above is just my opinion anyway, I so far has not heard any crackling since I disable the fast boot, will keep you all updated. BTW, our SSD is fast enough, so far I only lost less than few seconds on boot up time compare to fast boot. Moreover, drivers update usually requires a full restart/shutdown, I can only imagine if the driver doesn't play well with fast boot, more problem will occur.
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Let me try this as well will keep you you guy posted.

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post Apr 3 2019, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ Mar 29 2019, 12:00 PM)
Let me try this as well will keep you you guy posted.
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No joy doesn't work for me (turn off the fast boot) the only way can reduce the crackling noise for me is set the bass to 0
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post Apr 12 2019, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(King91OM @ Apr 8 2019, 06:46 PM)
That's odd. During gameplay my temperature is around 60-65C at most. Yes I am using throttlestop. I set the offset voltage to around -100.6mV and it's quite stable for me so far.
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What game you played? Some game do not stress the cpu.
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post Apr 21 2019, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(syazx @ Apr 20 2019, 07:30 PM)
hi all... just received my Selenite last week and have a blast with it..

However, i just want to know.. can anyone tell me what is the shortcut key to off the screen?

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You can change the power button to turn off the display.

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post Jun 12 2019, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(STEVE@ILLEGEAR @ May 7 2019, 04:24 PM)
Dear all, kindly note that we have received an official update for the Creative audio extension and the crackling issue has been resolved as per testing by the manufacturer & our technical team 😊 Please be advised that the official driver update is included as a part for the Windows May 2019 update. Let us know if the issue still persisted on your end. Thank you very much.
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Just got the update for the Creative Sound Blaster let me monitor for few days will keep everyone post.
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post Jun 28 2019, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(l2k @ Jun 19 2019, 01:31 PM)
Long time did not come by to visit the thread. Just to confirm also I have not experiencing any audio popping issue since few weeks ago, probably due to the new driver as well from windows update.
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Same to me didn't notice any popping so far.
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post Jan 5 2020, 08:06 PM

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My driver version I didn't notice any crack sound recently, I play an hour of starcraft didn't notice any. Last time use to be very often.
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post Feb 28 2020, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Feb 1 2020, 10:37 PM)
I got my Selenite with RTX 2060.

Not gonna talk about hardware spec performance, since it's mostly the same across any device, the only variable being thermal performance

1) Audio
This has got to be the most disappointing part of the laptop. The speakers are so underwhelming. Sounds weak with meh dynamic range. It gets slightly better when you use the pre-installed Sound Blaster Connect. Also, not sure if this is my laptop's problem, but the speaker has a very noticeable popping sound every now and then. I can't pinpoint exactly when it happens, but it does and it's there.
2) Thermal Performance
Out of the box, it was poor at first. I constantly hit the 95 °C PROCHOT (thermal throttle) on the CPU (not even playing at highest setting).

But after undervolting the CPU Core and CPU Cache using Throttlestop, I managed to significantly reduce the temperature and now it rarely goes above 78 °C. Now, it's great! The heat also builds up at the upper part of the laptop body, so when you're using it, you barely feel the heat

They probably didn't do the stress test + undervolting enough I guess? Right now, I'm at -122.1 mV offset on both CPU Core and CPU Cache, and System Agent and iGPU at -45.9 mV offset. Probably could go lower, haven't really gone to the point of it crashing.

On light usage, it's around 42-48 °C during the day and 36-44 °C at night.

But this laptop can easily handle any game you throw at it. No problem. It's just a matter of what FPS you're willing to tolerate.
3) Keyboard
Kinda ok but not particularly great. They keys kind of, uhh wobbly?. And the click isn't as satisfying as I thought it would be. RGB looks awesome though.
4) Touchpad
I personally I think it's great, accurate and feels just nice. So far the best laptop touchpad I've used (that I own).
5) Battery
You'd be lucky to get 4 hours on this, even on the most conservative power saving setting + undervolting + light web browsing. Make sure to change to globally use Integrated graphics in Nvidia control panel, otherwise it's just gonna drive everything with the discrete graphic.
6) Screen
Great for me. 144 Hz and bright. Colour looks good and vibrant. Haven't tested colour accuracy though. The thin bezel is especially nice.
7) Price worthiness
This is what fucked me up the most lol. I thought Illegear has the best price/spec ratio!

https://shopee.com.my/MSI-17.3-GE75-9SF-668...9432.6111695931

Much better spec (RTX 2070) at lower price! MSI too!

Overall, I'd rate the Selenite RTX 2060 7/10
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I second the review above tongue.gif


Touchpad is great I don't miss my mouse too much while I use my laptop for work related usage. I guess can make it a little bit smaller than will be perfect but it's very precise thumbsup.gif

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post Sep 28 2020, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ Sep 7 2020, 03:00 PM)
Good to know. I look around the web and found out that the board with 8570H chipset will eventually have this issue. The user here receives a board replacement from 9th gen (9570H) Flickering Screen 8gen board

A current workaround while waiting for my monitor to arrive is theres somebody suggested that to set the brightness to 20% Flickering walkaround and apparently it works.
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So my question here, what is the cost of swapping the board from 8570H to 9570H?

Edit : Regarding the battery is this something  of a issue that overtime it will be swollen like that? I only used it for a year plus ( purchased Mar 2019) and working in normal office climate.
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Oh no my processor is 8750H as well although no problem so far as I only use this laptop occasionally, company provide another laptop for me for work, scared will have problem in the near future. doh.gif
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post Sep 28 2020, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(GisixEX @ Sep 26 2020, 09:43 PM)
Hi guys, I want to take a quick survey here.
Is anyone here with 8/9gen selenite still suffer the crackling sound ??
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Didn't notice the crackling sound after update the Realtek driver using Windows update
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post Dec 1 2020, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ Sep 6 2020, 10:40 AM)
so after visit to the support yesterday

1. They said its a motherboard problem and it will take 1-2 months depending on eta
2. Swollen batteries - Costs RM 395 ( not covered by warranty? )

Is it possible to ship the motherboard so that i can continue working ( i rather buy a monitor and not lose 2 months of working time.)
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Have the same battery problem like yours seem like the battery only can last for roughly 1 years 10 months. doh.gif

 

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