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davidletterboyz
post Feb 11 2019, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Manada @ Feb 10 2019, 10:57 PM)
got that expensive meh?

I thought I saw somewhere the most expensive only around RM130k
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That's direct conversion without including tax and Bermas profit margin etc.
Actually it's quite hard to get a fair comparison. If we compared sedan US launch price for previous gen (start $17,740 SkyActive-G 2.0) with the 2019 gen (start $21,895 SkyActive-G 2.5), the baseline model increased by USD4.1k. But if compared both gens with the same engine (2.5L), the price is similar (~$21.9k) but the previous gen 2.5L is slightly better equipped.
IMHO, due to over car tax structure, Bermas may choose the SkyActive-G 2.0L as baseline and the SkyActive-X for highline. Quite sure the price will increase and more expensive than competitions because the it will be better equipped. Look at the current gen Mazda 6. The baseline is more expensive than Honda Accord by quite a lot.

QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Feb 11 2019, 02:44 PM)
If you can wait, suggest that you wait till both the facelifted civic and new mazda3 get launched. You try out both to find out which suits you better. Both have their respective pro and con, just need to decide which you prefer.

To be honest, both cars are decent in their own right (although malaysian market by default will err more towards honda regardless).
Read the autocar uk website review on the new mazda3 (with the current engine) :
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mazda/...v-g-2019-review

Mazda made torsion beam surprisingly good.
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Yes. From the early previews, they all said the NVH is way better than previous gen and the rear torsion beam setup seems to be properly tuned. Whether it's as good as the previous gen, I'm not sure.

QUOTE(jamespaul @ Feb 11 2019, 02:57 PM)
Depends on what you want.

Comfy, the Toyota would the best. I drove the CHR (which shares the platform), it is a damn good platform.

Sporty, the Mazda is the sportiest. But suffers from road noise. The GVC version is really good.

Civic, is the largest. Tons of leg room but the handling is pretty poor and its CVT gearbox is rubbish
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I have never driven CH-R but I sat in colleagues' CH-R and CX-5 FL travelling over the same road I'm familiar, the CX-5 FL's NVH wins hand down. The CH-R NVH is not so good actually, for a RM150k car.
Civic handling is "ok" due to the low centre of gravity. But suspension tuning wise, it's more towards comfy side.
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post Feb 11 2019, 04:07 PM

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Wait for the 1.6 DOHC SiR Turbo with 6-sp wet DCT.
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post Feb 11 2019, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Feb 11 2019, 04:07 PM)
Wait for the 1.6 DOHC SiR Turbo with 6-sp wet DCT.
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It’s called vtec turbo now with overheating CVT (modded) .... Honda to cheap to include a DCT.... Even in their SIR VTEC TURBO transformer car
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post Feb 11 2019, 04:15 PM

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I'm wondering why Honda is sticking with a CVT for the 1.5T sedan with a sporty nature.
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post Feb 11 2019, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Manada @ Feb 9 2019, 10:48 PM)
Should I buy the Honda Civic 1.6 TCP or wait for the release of the new 2019 Mazda 3?

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Any other recommendation for c-segment cars besides the above?
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You look like a special person... go with the Mazda... looks better, better interior and drive. If u want to blend in go with the civic or want too tune vtec turbo... 10 mins max overheating CVT ( for now )

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post Feb 11 2019, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Feb 11 2019, 04:15 PM)
I'm wondering why Honda is sticking with a CVT for the 1.5T sedan with a sporty nature.
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Quote -

Advanced CVTs, with toroidal friction elements or cone-andring, were estimated to have 0%–2% benefit over a conventional (belt) CVT, at a cost of $350–$480; these are able to handle higher torques, essentially opening up heavier vehicle classes to CVT implementation.

THE COST TO MANUFACTURE A CVT : $ 972,00 - $ 1468.00

Automatic (6) speed transmission cost : MY $2,007 (2012)


More 🤑🤑🤑🤑 bottom line....


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post Feb 11 2019, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Penang_J @ Feb 10 2019, 10:51 PM)
I will pick Mazda 3 since new fourth generation will lasts for at least 5 years until next production kick in. Estimated more than 140k++ for CBU unit, CKD maybe another year...
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Rumors say for new Mazda 3, it will no longer CKD, all CBU, thailand will take over for Mazda 3 production in SEA if not mistaken.

Malaysia will only focus on CX5 and CX8 later.
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post Feb 11 2019, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(Why^Me @ Feb 11 2019, 04:25 PM)
Rumors say for new Mazda 3, it will no longer CKD, all CBU, thailand will take over for Mazda 3 production in SEA if not mistaken.

Malaysia will only focus on CX5 and CX8 later.
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We shall see, without CKD incentives, only those Mazda fans will support.
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QUOTE(duperam @ Feb 9 2019, 11:23 PM)
torsion beam + cramped backseat
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with the right tuning..should be no problem. but cramped backseat is a no..whatever the reason is (mazda id for the driver..bla3), as long as it's a sedan, a good leg room is a must.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 10 2019, 01:18 AM)
topup & buy the 3 series b4 the 2019 model is launched

they having price cut now
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how much is the topup? and how cheap is cheap? if bmw 308..forget about it..dont just buy the car for the badge.
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QUOTE(Penang_J @ Feb 11 2019, 11:40 PM)
We shall see, without CKD incentives, only those Mazda fans will support.
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and i also heard that the CBU price will be the same as current CKD price. so, maybe they take out some modules to match the price.
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post Feb 12 2019, 11:01 AM

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I'd wait for the tnga Corolla instead......hopefully it will come with the new 170bhp 2.0 engine
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post Feb 12 2019, 04:43 PM

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in term of maintenance which car is higher?
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post Feb 12 2019, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Erickk @ Feb 12 2019, 04:43 PM)
in term of maintenance which car is higher?
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Within warranty period, mazda wins hands down. 5 years free service.

Honda wins with more aftermarket options, but not necessarily cheapest.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Feb 12 2019, 05:05 PM)
Within warranty period, mazda wins hands down. 5 years free service.

Honda wins with more aftermarket options, but not necessarily cheapest.
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post Feb 13 2019, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(duperam @ Feb 12 2019, 11:01 AM)
I'd wait for the tnga Corolla instead......hopefully it will come with the new 170bhp 2.0 engine
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I saw a few ppl said about TNGA but why is it so important?
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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Feb 11 2019, 04:15 PM)
I'm wondering why Honda is sticking with a CVT for the 1.5T sedan with a sporty nature.
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Because most Civic owners only want a car to look sporty... but will bitch about fuel consumption and want comfy ride.
Hence a small 1.5T and CVT.

If Honda MY really want it to drive sporty, then they should have a manual transmission option and firmer suspension.
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post Feb 13 2019, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(lotiman2003 @ Feb 13 2019, 02:09 PM)
I saw a few ppl said about TNGA but why is it so important?
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multilink rear suspension, dynamic force 2.0 engine, new direct shift CVT gearbox
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post Feb 13 2019, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(duperam @ Feb 13 2019, 02:45 PM)
multilink rear suspension, dynamic force 2.0 engine, new direct shift CVT gearbox
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looking at the engine they plonked into the new camry, i wouldn't be surprised at all if UMW decides stick to the older gen 2.0 engines
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