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> Is 2005 Toyota COROLA ALTIS 1.8 a good buy ?

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TS dexterdan
post Feb 8 2019, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Fenix98 @ Feb 7 2019, 08:52 PM)
After doing some reading thru the posts  just wanted to find out more about 1ZZ oil consumption issue, which is quite shocking to me. Better to topup and get the face lifted version with the engine update fix.
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Not sure if this should be in Technical, but as it affects a lot of models thought I'd post here... HJ has updated the car review section in brief, but thought I'd expand on it here for the benefit of all.

In short, all Toyota VVT-I 1.4, 1.6 & 1.8L engines (1zz 1.8, 3zz 1.6 & 4zz 1.4) made from 2000 to mid 2005 may suffer from excessive oil consumption of 1L/600miles. As far as I can tell, neither the smaller 1.0 & 1.3 engines, not the 2.0 & larger VVTI engines had this problem.

The cause was insufficient oil capacity, poor piston and piston ring design. This led to the oil-ways sludging up, eventually causing hardened oil around the rings to misshape the bores.

The fix was re-designed pistons, rings and short block.

For older Toyota’s made before about July 2005, Toyota could retrofit these to the existing engine, having extended the warranty on these engines to 6 years.

After about July 2005 this fix was applied to new build Toyota’s, so these should not suffer this issue.

So, what does this mean if, like me, you were looking at a used petrol Toyota?

1. Purchase a VVT-I engined Toyota made after July 2005, apart from some Corolla’s which were fixed from Sept 2005. So get the VIN, and check with Toyota UK.

2. If getting an older model - check with Toyota UK if the fix has been applied already AS THAT WARRANTY WILL NO LONGER APPLY!

Cheers.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=101823
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Thank you so much for all of your info !!

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post Feb 8 2019, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Feb 8 2019, 09:44 AM)
You bought it used?
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Yes sir.
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post Feb 8 2019, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Chrix @ Feb 8 2019, 09:09 AM)
Worth is relative, worth for someone else may not be worth for u, and vise versa.

But for the money, is it a good buy as a car?, absolutely.

Take into consideration the cost to purchase, cost to run, cost to repair and resale (if ever). Better if you buy from private sellers, as they are many for sale. Only "costly" (RMxxx) repair I had since 2014 was radiator.

Early 1zzfe (1.8) has oil consumption issue... but I've just been topping up the oil as needed, not a big issue. Bigger issue are people who dont even know their brakes require fluid & just continue driving as oblivious as ever. I believe facelifted 2005- has been resolved via larger oil passage in pistons.

This Altis is my most trouble free car I've ever owned, & most fuel efficient.

My other past/present cars; so you may have a comparison to;
2005 Satria 1.5 (m)
1990 SE (m) (4age blacktop)
1985 KE70 (m) (red top 4AGE)
1994 E36 (m) (M50 manual)
2006 Wish 2.0

All other parts are just wear/tear just like any other xx year vehicle. Replace as needed.
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The most trouble free car I've owned is Proton Gen2, apart from those plastic power window and door handle broken recently and heavy fuel consumption it has been serving me well. Met a project superior which has same car with 600k km with only top overhaul once due to broken timing belt. Some ppl posted photo of persona with mileage of 800k km and still running.
Man, Proton campro engine is so reliable and good. What Toyota reliable myth is totally bullshit after my altis experience.

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post Feb 8 2019, 12:03 PM

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Onwer of 2006 Altis 1.8
so far the problem i faced is the suspension kuk kuk sound. others no issue. i changed atf every 20k kms. so far the gear box is still good condition (touch wood). for the engine...now starting to "eat" engine oil. using semi. But when change at 7k kms...should not be a problem.
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post Feb 8 2019, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(H.O.P.E @ Feb 8 2019, 12:03 PM)
Onwer of 2006 Altis 1.8
so far the problem i faced is the suspension kuk kuk sound. others no issue. i changed atf every 20k kms. so far the gear box is still good condition (touch wood). for the engine...now starting to "eat" engine oil. using semi. But when change at 7k kms...should not be a problem.
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AT or CVT transmission ?

if eat engine oil, use 10w40 , use semi not fully synthetic EO
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post Feb 8 2019, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Feb 8 2019, 11:54 AM)
Yes sir.
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The symptoms you mentioned usually are those from used cars. Many of the mechanic parts are worn and loose thats why the ride and handling deteriorated a lot.
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post Feb 8 2019, 12:42 PM

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@20k or less.
worth it if you prepare around 10k to refurbish/change all parts etc.

better deal with owner direct as milleage is not tempered.
a 200k or less mileage is a real catch. be really wary when buying from 2nd hand dealers. most will confirm say low milleage.
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post Feb 8 2019, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Feb 8 2019, 09:37 AM)
well said

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btw, wat car/s are you driving now ?

among your stable, the 1994 drew my attention M50 manual tranny  brows.gif would love to have it if you wanna sell
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E36 sold many years ago... but I saw it for sale again few months ago, for Rm10k less than I sold it for.

QUOTE(voscar @ Feb 8 2019, 11:58 AM)
The most trouble free car I've owned is Proton Gen2, apart from those plastic power window and door handle broken recently and heavy fuel consumption it has been serving me well. Met a project superior which has same car with 600k km with only top overhaul once due to broken timing belt. Some ppl posted photo of persona with mileage of 800k km and still running.
Man, Proton campro engine is so reliable and good. What Toyota reliable myth is totally bullshit after my altis experience.
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To fault an entire company for just 1 bad experience by an individual sounds silly does it not?
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post Feb 8 2019, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(Chrix @ Feb 8 2019, 04:24 PM)
E36 sold many years ago... but I saw it for sale again few months ago, for Rm10k less than I sold it for.
To fault an entire company for just 1 bad experience by an individual sounds silly does it not?
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1ZZ-FE engine notorious of engine oil consumption due to piston hole design flaw that is well known and common, they just made revision to put longer oil dipstick on later model to call a workaround solution. Even the next gen 2008-2010 Altis still suffering engine oil consumption problem. Just visit any car dealer pull up the dipstick before start engine will see almost 80% of that engine having lower dipstick level. Here in Malaysia everyone has mindset Toyota = bullet proof car and superb reliable engine.

"Sampan handling" term has its root if not of the bad handling. At Taiwan media launch one Altis skidded lost control on wet road demo.
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post Feb 8 2019, 05:55 PM

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Of coz, it's still a good car to ferry around to supermarket or shopping mall. The low rev torque is nice for city moderate driving thanks to the VVTi technology.
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post Feb 10 2019, 06:17 PM

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Get the VVTI model. Way more power and saves petrol more than the non VVTI models.
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post Feb 11 2019, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Chrix @ Feb 8 2019, 04:24 PM)
E36 sold many years ago... but I saw it for sale again few months ago, for Rm10k less than I sold it for.
To fault an entire company for just 1 bad experience by an individual sounds silly does it not?
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you can hardly find anyone talking such thing about Toyota...but only a few. HOwever you can find sooooooo many people talking such thing about VW, Audi,Peugeot and all those problmatic cars.

You see the difference? Ignore the few who said bad things about Toyota....but listen to the majority who said otherwise about Toyota instead.
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post Feb 11 2019, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Feb 10 2019, 06:17 PM)
Get the VVTI model. Way more power and saves petrol more than the non VVTI models.
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Doesn't all Altis come with vvti?


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post Feb 11 2019, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Feb 11 2019, 01:42 PM)
Doesn't all Altis come with vvti?
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The older models no VVTI
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post Feb 11 2019, 01:44 PM

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that model NO ESC.. lel

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post Feb 11 2019, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Feb 11 2019, 01:42 PM)
Doesn't all Altis come with vvti?
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From first gen Altis onwards, all are VVTi. However not 100% sure if 3zz is VVTi, cant imagine its not.

Later models dual vvti.
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post Feb 11 2019, 02:13 PM

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Ah yes...Dual VVTI is even better but of course more mahal la. Stronger torque and better FC. Cant go wrong with TOYOTA.
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post Feb 11 2019, 03:04 PM

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I'm still driving one. Bought it brand new in 2004. One of the best cars I've driven.

Mine was maintained by UMW until 3 years ago.

The only problem with mine is that the side mirrors are dead. Can't fold and can't adjust. It's been dead after 6-7 years of buying the car. The cost to change was RM700++ per piece if I remember correctly. Didn't bother with it since don't really need to fold and adjust the mirrors.

Mine is about 200,000km so far and still running fine.

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post Feb 11 2019, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Chrix @ Feb 11 2019, 02:07 PM)
From first gen Altis onwards, all are VVTi. However not 100% sure if 3zz is VVTi, cant imagine its not.

Later models dual vvti.
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Exactly. I remember seeing its launching at a shopping centre. GOA body, VVTI.
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post Feb 11 2019, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Feb 11 2019, 01:44 PM)
The older models no VVTI
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Are you sure? The first time I heard of vvti was during the launch of Altis.

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