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post Feb 11 2019, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 07:45 AM)
He should offer a breakdown what has DAP against Islam?  hmm.gif
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I remember DAP said their alliance is dead. And PAS said it is not dead. So who kick who out?

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post Feb 12 2019, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 11 2019, 05:43 PM)


no. 6 is not directly DAP fault.


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DAP never say anything. So they gave tactic approval of what their followers were doing.

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post Feb 12 2019, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 11 2019, 05:46 PM)

where does it say pakatan offer free PTPTN in their latest 2018 election manifesto?

If it's going to be free, why is there the need to take any loan or have to pay such loan if taken?

Free higher education for all, Pakatan pledges in alternative budget
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/free-higher-educa...-041700797.html
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post Feb 12 2019, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 11 2019, 05:50 PM)
this.

unfortunately they think that bcos they are the majority so their interpretation must be the right one...

however I would add that we are not totally secular or an Islamic country but rather a hybrid...

and while Islam is the official religion of the federation, sabah and Sarawak technically is silent on that...
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In the beginning, Islam is not the official religion of Sabah and Sarawak.

But when UMNO took over Sabah, I think they changed the state constitution to make Islam the official religion of Sabah.

As for Sarawak, they still maintain the old state constitution of not having any official religion, aka, secular.


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post Feb 12 2019, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(alexchew_2020 @ Feb 11 2019, 06:19 PM)
PAS play malay cards
DAP play chinese cards

both said racist to each others...

endless story....

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A different

PAS have always openly said they are for Islam or Malay.

DAP say they are not playing the racist card but are.


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post Feb 12 2019, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 12 2019, 05:43 AM)
they did say something but bcos it was for their actual members (not for online anonymous keyboard warriors who claim to be DAP members) no one either read about it or totally ignored it.

http://www.utusan.com.my/berita/politik/da...riffin-1.817158
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Using your own argument, UMNO seldom condemn some of those racist things by their followers. So does that makes UMNO anti-racism?


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post Feb 12 2019, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 12 2019, 05:49 AM)
hello, we are talking 2018 election manifesto which was the latest pledge.

that one is alternative budget made in 2017. which is no longer valid.

election manifesto in 2018 is this:

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https://epaper.amanah.org.my/artikel-piliha...peminjam-ptptn/

1. remove blacklist (DONE)

2. delay payment until borrower earns more than RM4k/mth (not done)

that last part I admit they fucked up and even try to lower the amount to RM2k/mth.

if you kutuk that one I agree.

but nowhere in PH election manifesto that claim PH will give FREE PTPTN.

TL;DR if you wanna kutuk bettr make sure you kutuk based on actual facts and not something from UMNO/PAS propaganda...
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So in 2017, Pakatan is just giving empty talk?
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post Feb 13 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 12 2019, 03:55 PM)
well things change constantly based on the situation of the time so let's stick to the election manifesto proper which was their main thrust in 2018.

or else you are gonna bring up other older expired promises as well? when they either changed that promise or abandoned it altogether?

this is the same argument with ppl keep mentioning that RM1.50/litre petrol price which they never officially promised but instead just put 'stabilize price'.

of which in current market is not possible anyway (even brunei charge RM1.70/litre ++)
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may be you want to list out what are the things in the manifesto that have been fulfilled or in the process of fulfilling? And also list out how many U turns so far.


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post Feb 15 2019, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 13 2019, 05:22 PM)

8.Set up a task force to study how to return autonomy promise to Sabah and Sarawak, as set out in the Malaysia Agreement 1963 - in the process
Talk only. For example, they did promise 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue. So how long does it take to issue a check?

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post Feb 18 2019, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 18 2019, 02:11 AM)
well need to calculate the 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue 1st.

and 20% oil royalty is from entire oil production or just specific to sabah/Sarawak only?

and now that Sarawak claim petros is the proper oil rights holder, will federal govt. tax petros back?

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same goes for 50% tax revenue.

50% of total tax or tax collected from each state?

cannot simply issue cheque the  later claim "eh wrong amount, eh wrong name" etc.

as mentioned, it's in process.

meanwhile total silence on all the other so called promises that in actuality weren't even the real promises listed but suddenly imposed on PH...
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excuses. excuses.

In the past they gave Sarawak 5%. So 20% means they give 4 x 5%. That difficult to do that simple math?
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post Feb 19 2019, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 18 2019, 05:00 AM)
hi mr. nitpick.

the promise is not just limited to petroleum royalty payments but cover the  MA63 federation agreement) yet this is the only thing you nitpick.

besides, pay to whom? Sarawak state govt. or petros?

what about that supposed law that claims to stipulate that petros is the rightful owner of all oil and gas and other minerals mined from Sarawak?

what about the challenge by petronas (as the govt. entity that is in charge of the PDA act) to petros?

as mentioned, it's in the process. timeline is not the 100 days.

timeline is until end of term.

meanwhile still quiet on all other so called promises that are not actual PH promises.
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excuses. excuses. If they can't even give 20%, you think they will give more autonomy to Sarawak?

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post Feb 20 2019, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 19 2019, 04:15 AM)
ok then list down Sarawak autonomy that has yet to be implemented?
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Tax
Federal representation numbers
Borneoization of civil service
Negeri vs Negara
Oil and Gas. This one, it can be argued that Najib actually sort-of given back but now taken back by Federal.

Those for a start.

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post Feb 21 2019, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 21 2019, 05:25 AM)
1. tax was never in the 18 point agreement or autonomy.

as it is all states whether in borneo or those in peninsular already collecting their own state and local govt. tax where it is allowed under constitution.

and of course now you have petros which want to collect tax on all oil & gas activities in Sarawak...

2. what do you mean federal representation umbers?

did federal govt. lower the numbers of MP from Sarawak inside parliament?

3. most of federal civil servants working in Sarawak are sarawakians.

in fact even sarawakians prefer NOT to work in federal depts. based in Sarawak bcos if they work in peninsular or even if they go up north in sabah, they get extra territorial allowance. much more worth it.

and peninsular ppl who work in Sarawak can only work for up to 5 years before they have to renew their permit.

and many actually can't wait to go back to peninsular too, you think all sarawakians are so welcoming?

and of course all state civil servants are native sarawakians as that's their law.

btw you have any actual figures on how many of the federal civil servants iin Sarawak are NOT from Sarawak?

4. pfft, semantics. wanna be negara and wanna secede, go ahead. later get invaded by Indonesians....

5. najib gave back O&G? lulz. petronas under najib already filed injunction in court to assert their right to all O&G activity for entire Malaysia.

he's basically playing good cop bad cop.

TL; DR most of what you listed here are not in the original agreement or never was rescinded or removed and in some cases it's own sarawakian ppl who don't want it like in no. 3....
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40% tax revenue derived from EM be returned to EM. Show me when did EM gave up this 40%?
Use of land and mineral found are the property of the state, not federal. Everybody know that except you.
In 1963, Malaya have less than 2/3 of the seat. Go check out how many seat in % they got now.
All government department should be by Sarawakian. Said so in IGC 1962 report.
In 1963, head of government in Sabah is called Negara in MA63. How come now become Negeri?
Oil rights. Do you even know how federal got to control EM's oil? If you don't know, go do more research.

Beside MA63, you should also read the IGC 1962 report.

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post Feb 21 2019, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 21 2019, 05:25 AM)

TL; DR most of what you listed here are not in the original agreement or never was rescinded or removed and in some cases it's own sarawakian ppl who don't want it like in no. 3....
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Some, not all. Don't talk rubbish.

For example, Sarawak say any Sarawakian can use Allah because Islam is not Sarawak's official religion.
https://bestfbkl.blogspot.com/2014/03/no-re...christians.html



 

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