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post Feb 6 2019, 02:45 PM, updated 8 months ago

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KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 6 — Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang today sought to explain why PAS ended its alliance with DAP some years back, and in doing so accused the latter party of being an “enemy of Islam.”

In a Facebook post, the PAS president said this was also why the Islamist party cut ties with its former members and leaders who have since left the party and allowed “non-Muslims” to lead them.

“PAS cut off its relations with parties that showed it is an enemy of Islam and challenged Islamic leadership like DAP and others.

“The same goes with PAS members and leaders who left the party because their cause is lost and it is no longer in accordance with Islamic principles, they fled from the Islamic cause and showed their attitude of allowing a non-Muslim, who are clear enemies of Islam and its people, to lead them so they can obtain power and position,” Abdul Hadi wrote.

He said that PAS had made the decision according to its Ulama Syura Council which was based on the Quran and sunnah but also took note that Islam recognises other religion and the need to cooperate with non-believers.

However, Abdul Hadi also said that cooperation with non-believers are based on necessity and things can change according to the situation and whether the conditions are met or else it becomes prohibited.

DAP and PAS were once allies in the now-defunct Pakatan Rakyat, and before that Barisan Alternatif.
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/201...-claims/1720227


He should offer a breakdown what has DAP against Islam? hmm.gif


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post Feb 6 2019, 02:49 PM

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I think DAP dont want to follow what he say actually. Coz PAS = Islam.

Go against what hadi say is the same as going against islam.

The dude is delusional
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post Feb 6 2019, 02:49 PM

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What about you who bought S class mercedes ? accept 90 mil?

Are these not enemies of God?

Woe to u pharisees.. woe to u... shame on u

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post Feb 6 2019, 02:50 PM

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He is like a wolf in sheep skins just that alot of sheep supporting this wolf
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post Feb 6 2019, 02:50 PM

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After Tok Guru rip PAS all hancur become just another racist party keep spouting the same garbage.
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post Feb 6 2019, 02:53 PM

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Yes... Agree with you, need to know what did DAP do

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QUOTE(djtong @ Feb 6 2019, 02:50 PM)
After Tok Guru rip PAS all hancur become just another racist party keep spouting the same garbage.
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Pas is always the same
With or without tok guru
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orang melayu kata " hendak seribu daya, tak nak seribu dalih"...

excuses after excuses by PAS..
from alliance with DAP and UMNO to alliance with PPBM...

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post Feb 6 2019, 02:57 PM

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This Bawang mindset "who is not Islam, automatically become enemy of Islam"

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post Feb 6 2019, 02:58 PM

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syukur. now friend with pencuri because not enemy of islam.
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post Feb 6 2019, 02:58 PM

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post Feb 6 2019, 03:01 PM

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Pas same as bn

Always use R&R card, that's why they never progress
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This is after TNGA gone. PAS no longer relevant as most moderate leaders were flushed out in that fateful party election. Only left with hard stance Islamists with little to no visions on bigger issues like economy.

Been using and used by UMNO to become racists fragile coalitions now.
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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 02:45 PM)
He should offer a breakdown what has DAP against Islam?  hmm.gif
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Story was DAP doesn't agree to disagree term but keep it to yourself as PAS wants to implement hudud at kelantan.
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post Feb 6 2019, 03:05 PM

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As usual using Islam name again.
PAS is the most racist group
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 6 2019, 02:58 PM)
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post Feb 6 2019, 03:10 PM

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It was hudud
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post Feb 6 2019, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(bangaubagus @ Feb 6 2019, 03:02 PM)
Story was DAP doesn't agree to disagree term but keep it to yourself as PAS wants to implement hudud at kelantan.
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DAP object act355 because the change of Constitution. That is not against of Islam.

there are many party also against these changes and now passed are sleeping with them.
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Maybe be things like Beer festival that PAS say don't do it openly but DAP still insist and had it as a state event, as if DAP wants to tell PAS to listen to them but they won't listen to PAS. Maybe lah.

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i heard it was because DAP disagree that HH can be one of the "calon" for PM if PR won the election, so HH pissed off la, so cut ties. dont know how true is this la.
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Because of pas often contradicting statement all the time

They posing there own game

Not team player

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Not a bad thing for DAP cut ties with those extremists / terrorists
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post Feb 6 2019, 04:05 PM

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If Nik Aziz was still around, PAS will definitely be in the PH coalition.
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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 02:45 PM)
He should offer a breakdown what has DAP against Islam?  hmm.gif
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forgot already ah? karpal singh?
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1. When hassan ali want to limit alcohol sale, dap against it
2. When appeal to allow hijab on mas stewardess for female staff who volunteer want to wear hijab, still dap against it
3. When pas want to made hudud, karpal singth say langkah mayat ku dulu
4. When teressa kok want to enter mosque, dont respect the requirement, insteqd call her colleague to allow her enter without the requirement
5. Dap constitution also is a threat to pas. Pas want islam as a soveriegn religi9n, dap want to treat all religion equal
6. Their follower action has somehow paint dap more to anti islam, exsmple like some comment from fb, etc
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:15 PM)
1. When hassan ali want to limit alcohol sale, dap against it
2. When appeal to allow hijab on mas stewardess for female staff who volunteer want to wear hijab, still dap against it
3. When pas want to made hudud, karpal singth say langkah mayat ku dulu
4. When teressa kok want to enter mosque, dont respect the requirement, insteqd call her colleague to allow her enter without the requirement
5. Dap constitution also is a threat to pas. Pas want islam as a soveriegn religi9n, dap want to treat all religion equal
6. Their follower action has somehow paint dap more to anti islam, exsmple like some comment from fb, etc
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... meanwhile songlap 1MDB, FGV, Felda, Tabung Haji, MARA, DLL is ok!
PAS da PUAS! 90m da puas!

Tok Guru Nik Aziz dulu menjadi agama sebagai panduan pemerintahan,
Pemimpin hari ini mempergunakan agama bagi mengekalkan pemerintahan.
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Feb 6 2019, 04:21 PM)
... meanwhile songlap 1MDB, FGV, Felda, Tabung Haji, MARA, DLL is ok!
PAS da PUAS! 90m da puas!

Tok Guru Nik Aziz dulu menjadi agama sebagai panduan pemerintahan,
Pemimpin hari ini mempergunakan agama bagi mengekalkan pemerintahan.
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Jgn ubah topiklah.....

Ts ask, i answer

Afterall....all that scandal saga is only political game n lies.

After so many u turn which can be intepreted as lies....even though proven mnay time a liar, stilk want to believr the allegation of that scandal?
If sudah tipu, means the whole thing alleged has fall its integrity. The integrity of the allegation is already in doubt when has proven of many lies, evidenced y many uturn

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QUOTE(matramlee @ Feb 6 2019, 04:24 PM)
betul tu....

bila kita Melayu tak suka PAS, depa cakap kita ni BARUA.....
depa cakap kita anjing DAP....
adoi... kenapa jahat sangat mulut???
aku still orang ISLAM...
dan aku berpandangan bahawa fahaman/ajaran di kalangan PAS tu ada yang TAK BETUL....
sebab tu aku TAK SOKONG PAS....

aku hanya sokong FAHAMAN ISLAM yang mengajak perpaduan...
sebab tu aku suka Nik Aziz dan aku suka Nik Omar..
aku cuma tak suka orang macam Haji Hadi...

aku tak suka Haji Hadi bukan bermaksud aku ni orang jahat....

adoii...

please la...mentality....tolong lah.....
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I hope ppl can see that pas does not represent islam.
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QUOTE(matramlee @ Feb 6 2019, 04:24 PM)
betul tu....

bila kita Melayu tak suka PAS, depa cakap kita ni BARUA.....
depa cakap kita anjing DAP....
adoi... kenapa jahat sangat mulut???
aku still orang ISLAM...
dan aku berpandangan bahawa fahaman/ajaran di kalangan PAS tu ada yang TAK BETUL....
sebab tu aku TAK SOKONG PAS....

aku hanya sokong FAHAMAN ISLAM yang mengajak perpaduan...
sebab tu aku suka Nik Aziz dan aku suka Nik Omar..
aku cuma tak suka orang macam Haji Hadi...

aku tak suka Haji Hadi bukan bermaksud aku ni orang jahat....

adoii...

please la...mentality....tolong lah.....
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Everyone want unity, but dap version unity is different. They prefer being republic, n treat all religion as equal n promote seculariwm. They will introduce it slowly...slowly...pretend to be ur friend, while they are upholdimg their principle slowly2 n diam2. Meanwhile, pakatan itself has proven many lies by many u turn like AEC, sst, free ptpthn...n many more. U shoukd ask urself....kalau ini sudah pun tipun can u trust their unity version? Scholar in the past, when they want to pick up a hadith, they will examined the periwwyat character. If the periwayat character also lies, the hadith will be rejected.....n why is it after contantly many lies that was protrayed through many u turn, why should we trust all the allegation n their unity

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:25 PM)
Jgn ubah topiklah.....

Ts ask, i answer

Afterall....all that scandal saga is only political game n lies.

After so many u turn which can be intepreted as lies....even though proven mnay time a liar, stilk want to believr the allegation of that scandal?
If sudah tipu, means the whole thing alleged has fall its integrity. The integrity of the allegation is already in doubt when has proven of many lies, evidenced  y many uturn
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corruption and dishonesty da jadi "way of life"!
PAS da PUAS! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 02:45 PM)
He should offer a breakdown what has DAP against Islam?  hmm.gif
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u can buat pertandingan karangan bukti DAP anti-islam like umno. in the end, none was published
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common goal was to win the ruling seat

then umno bribed pas to be on their side
pas was ok
side topic: only pas supporters blind to see that their beloved party was in bed with umno

now dap with bersatu and amanah, I don't think it will last either.
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QUOTE(matramlee @ Feb 6 2019, 04:42 PM)
hari ini sahaja, ramai orang Melayu dah buat aku makin benci Melayu...

aku tak tahu kenapa...

padahal topik yang aku buka hanyalah TEGURAN sikit je untuk berubah..

tapi depa emosional lain macam...

seriously aku cakap, aku makin benci dengan Melayu.....

kalau berterusan begini, aku rela DAP jadi perdana menteri...

dan aku akan ajak orang Melayu lain untuk join DAP...

jangan salahkan aku..

tapi salahkan diri sendiri sbb membuatkan Melayu lain benci Melayu...
kenapa Melayu tak boleh respect Melayu lain??

kita kena terima bahawa dalam dunia ni semua orang ada cara pemikiran tersendiri...

so respect lah orang lain....kena bertoleransi dengan orang lain..

jangan paksa orang lain untuk ikut cara satu tu sahaja,, tak boleh macam tu... tak akan ada perdamaian kalau berterusan macam tu..
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Lihat pd kontekslah bro. Masing2 boleh ikut pemikiran masing2n still need to be guided by religion too. If god forbid making nonmuslim as a leader to follow, do u still want to ikut ur pemikiran too?
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“Even though the case will not be adjudicated, the allegation by Rewcastle-Brown that RM90 million was paid to leaders of PAS remains. This includes a purported audio recording of Nik Abduh Nik Aziz talking about receiving RM2 million from Umno, produced as evidence by Rewcastle-Brown, and which has not been contested by Hadi Awang.

The allegations by Rewcastle-Brown include extravagant spending of PAS leaders, how they purchased expensive cars and houses. Leaders of PAS have positioned themselves as pious, righteous and pure, and even promising a path to heaven to party members for their support.

“Malaysians are anxious to know the truth of the matter because the money paid out is allegedly derived from the 1MDB fund. Members of PAS who have donated to the party’s legal fund for Hadi Awang should also be interested to know the truth.”

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QUOTE(azhan82 @ Feb 6 2019, 02:57 PM)
orang melayu kata " hendak seribu daya, tak nak seribu dalih"...

excuses after excuses by PAS..
from alliance with DAP and UMNO to alliance with PPBM...
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Among Malays actually PAS have very very strong fan base. In kelantan terengganu it's basically a fort. Even in selangor I think most nons are over confident , I think PAS have quite a support even in west coast as well
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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Feb 6 2019, 02:49 PM)
I think DAP dont want to follow what he say actually. Coz PAS = Islam.

Go against what hadi say is the same as going against islam.

The dude is delusional
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2 million fanboys voted for his party in GE14 will disagree...
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:35 PM)
Everyone want unity, but dap version unity is different. They prefer being republic, n treat all religion as equal n promote seculariwm. They will introduce it slowly...slowly...pretend to be ur friend, while they are upholdimg their principle slowly2 n diam2. Meanwhile, pakatan itself has proven many lies by many u turn like AEC, sst, free ptpthn...n many more. U shoukd ask urself....kalau ini sudah pun tipun can u trust their unity version? Scholar in the past, when they want to pick up a hadith, they will examined the periwwyat character. If the periwayat character also lies, the hadith will be rejected.....n why is it after contantly many lies that was protrayed through many u turn, why should we trust all the allegation n their unity
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>> No proof that DAP wants to replace Monarchy with Republic
>> Nothing wrong with secularism unless you are a racist, after all, what's wrong with religion being kept away from politics
>> PAS was the one pretending to be a friend, not DAP, especially when they tried to "reform" RUU355 via backdoor
>> Can't say PAS and BN have been free from lies and manipulation
>> You must be an idiot to assume that 100% manifestos can be achieved after 6 decades under one ruling coalition
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QUOTE(Flaming_lion @ Feb 6 2019, 04:48 PM)
2 million fanboys voted for his party in GE14 will disagree...
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40 years of R&R brainwashing doesn't go away overnite!
40 years of the divisive doctrine of R&R make songlap yg berbillions happens easily!
Rape & pillage 1MDB, FGV, Felda, Tabung Haji, MARA, DLL is not a problem!
Thanks suckers! thumbup.gif

... err ... what else belum kena rob? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(matramlee @ Feb 6 2019, 04:50 PM)
antara ISLAM sesat dgn non-muslim, better pilih non-muslim..

sbb ISLAM sesat ni boleh mengelirukan orang lain...
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What do u mean islam sesat?
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Feb 6 2019, 04:55 PM)
40 years of R&R brainwashing doesn't go away overnite!
40 years of the divisive doctrine of R&R make songlap yg berbillions happens easily!
Rape & pillage 1MDB, FGV, Felda, Tabung Haji, MARA, DLL is not a problem!
Thanks suckers! thumbup.gif

... err ... what else belum kena rob? hmm.gif
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At the end, R&R is always the one at threat... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:35 PM)
Everyone want unity, but dap version unity is different. They prefer being republic, n treat all religion as equal n promote seculariwm. They will introduce it slowly...slowly...pretend to be ur friend, while they are upholdimg their principle slowly2 n diam2. Meanwhile, pakatan itself has proven many lies by many u turn like AEC, sst, free ptpthn...n many more. U shoukd ask urself....kalau ini sudah pun tipun can u trust their unity version? Scholar in the past, when they want to pick up a hadith, they will examined the periwwyat character. If the periwayat character also lies, the hadith will be rejected.....n why is it after contantly many lies that was protrayed through many u turn, why should we trust all the allegation n their unity
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That is why PH is still the better bet. DAP is secular but they can't push it all the way with other parties all in it together. That's why you see u turn in so many decisions. That is check and balance.
DAP has all the good minds and smart people to bring the country forward but having them to lead will result in some segment of the society being left behind. That is why PKR, Bersatu, Amanah is in PH to protect the interest of the Malays. Yes, it's a very messy transition period now when they are inexperienced in running a government. But this mix of parties and the way their presidential council works is the best bet to bring the country forward.

Too bad that most Malaysians can't see this. Everyone just want to protect their own interest but failed to see that the only way forward is unity among the races. Eg. Chinese with their economic driven attitude & Malay with the welfare and moderation.
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DAP should come out with statement that they support Islamic leadership, then PAS has nothing to say.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Feb 6 2019, 05:19 PM)
DAP should come out with statement that they support Islamic leadership, then PAS has nothing to say.
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Which leadership?
The one that menjadi agama sebagai panduan pemerintahan,
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Pemimpin yg mempergunakan agama bagi mengekalkan pemerintahan? whistling.gif
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whatever it is, pls dont generalize people

dont say malay like this, malay like that

we all people coming from different background

they fight for what they want

cannot say that is wrong, this is right
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I think DAP first cut ties with Hadi Awang but not PAS

Why cut ties with the president but not the whole party

Such a provocation move
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Bcos dap no support bawang to replace anuar as pm candidate...bawang butt hurt to the max. Say dap anti islam...last time say umno kafir. But now...
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QUOTE(Geekbuster @ Feb 6 2019, 05:30 PM)
I think DAP first cut ties with Hadi Awang but not PAS

Why cut ties with the president but not the whole party

Such a provocation move
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Bawang didn't even wanna attend the Pakatan Rakyat leadership council meetings.
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Everyday say kuat agama

I still see parking sebarangan
Buang sampah dari kereta merata rata
Rokok kat tempat larangan
Bina pondok seberang rumah walaupun itu tempat kerajaan
Bakar daun , akar , ranting pokok selepas kutipan

Err whatelse
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so sad that many org kita believe that he really fight for Islam..
but then i just want to say la,politics always lie de..
they only fight for themself only..any parties also the same..see see can dy yea..
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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 03:14 PM)
DAP object act355 because the change of Constitution. That is not against of Islam.

there are many party also against these changes and now passed are sleeping with them.
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Yup, i doesn't say anything about Islam, so no argument here
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Basically, then...there is alot of enemies you have....because your butt got nothing much to do, but MAKE enemies, when people don't even have that in mind, just different in opinions...

I don't even want to talk to such mindset people....coz, if I order maggi goreng, and not same mindset, that person might call me their enemies over such "trivial" stuff....<clap hands>.


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Something i domt understand....if lets say pas decide want to limit alcohol sale or promote hijab in stewardess n dap agaijst it. So why pas need to be together with pakatan when they know their agenda cant be carried together with presence of dap. This is democracy, should not we respect pas wish to say bye bye to dap? Afterall....even if pas with dap what good will be, if dap keep against pas. Common sense right?

All thr while i see.....dap is angry with pas for one reason only, because pas is stealing malaynvoters. Thats all
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yep, sounds like typical ISIS sympathizer
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Each party have their own ulterior motive and goal maaa
if is not align they will break eventually...
just look at ph maa... got feeling will become like pakatan rakyat oneday..
... well that politic 101 for you
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QUOTE(matramlee @ Feb 6 2019, 06:51 PM)
we must realize that we live in MULTIRACIAL and MULTI-RELIGION country...

respect is the most important thing if we want to achieve PEACE in this country....

not only one-side....but both side must respect each other....
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If dap choose not to respect pas wish, how do u expect a similar respect from pas.

I agreed that we should find middle path or win win situation, but where has dap go somfar

Lets take example of request of pas to allow hijab among the stewardess....n what was the answer? Its like ditolak mentah2. Theres no even thing like.,,,boleh,,,,tapi.... Or even trying to negotiate, or findings way of win win solution. Absolutely none
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:15 PM)
1. When hassan ali want to limit alcohol sale, dap against it
2. When appeal to allow hijab on mas stewardess for female staff who volunteer want to wear hijab, still dap against it
3. When pas want to made hudud, karpal singth say langkah mayat ku dulu
4. When teressa kok want to enter mosque, dont respect the requirement, insteqd call her colleague to allow her enter without the requirement
5. Dap constitution also is a threat to pas. Pas want islam as a soveriegn religi9n, dap want to treat all religion equal
6. Their follower action has somehow paint dap more to anti islam, exsmple like some comment from fb, etc
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I don’t know if what you posted here are speaking behalf of passed? 2. You should post some supported link on your breakdown listing what has been transpired between passed & Dap?

Things doesn’t go one way. Mutual respect only work both ways.
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 06:39 PM)
Something i domt understand....if lets say pas decide want to limit alcohol sale or promote hijab in stewardess n dap agaijst it. So why pas need to be together with pakatan when they know their agenda cant be carried together with presence of dap. This is democracy, should not we respect pas wish to say bye bye to dap? Afterall....even if pas with dap what good will be, if dap keep against pas. Common sense right?

All thr while i see.....dap is angry with pas for one reason only, because pas is stealing malaynvoters. Thats all
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One thing from all your replies are damn wrong. Dap not against passed or Islam. They objected those that could be caused chain effects to others religion culture. It is not against off any party or religion because that changed is against the constitution.

You can’t label someone a anti-Islam just because they has different opinions. That’s very arrogant isn’t?

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 06:39 PM)
Something i domt understand....if lets say pas decide want to limit alcohol sale or promote hijab in stewardess n dap agaijst it. So why pas need to be together with pakatan when they know their agenda cant be carried together with presence of dap. This is democracy, should not we respect pas wish to say bye bye to dap? Afterall....even if pas with dap what good will be, if dap keep against pas. Common sense right?

All thr while i see.....dap is angry with pas for one reason only, because pas is stealing malaynvoters. Thats all
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You need to understand the constitution and penal code. Is sale of alcohol banned in the constitution and penal code? And hijab issue, shouldn't they approach MAS? After all, it's related to MAS company attire?
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This is the problem. Many Malay Muslims are brainwashed into thinking this is an islamic country with full islamic theological governance instead of a secular country with Islam as official religion
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:46 PM)
Lihat pd kontekslah bro. Masing2 boleh ikut pemikiran masing2n still need to be guided by religion too. If god forbid making nonmuslim as a leader to follow, do u still want to ikut ur pemikiran too?
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That's why fanatic political party cannot be made the govt of Malaysia, they will destroy Malaysia's multiracial and multicultural society. Better to have corrupt leader of same religion than clean leader of different religion is a toxic mindset.
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Feb 6 2019, 02:49 PM)
What about you who bought S class mercedes ? accept 90 mil?

Are these not enemies of God?

Woe to u pharisees.. woe to u... shame on u
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Prove of 90 millions?
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Must check the date those PAS leaders start buying luxurious cars, watches and houses.
If the date is around time PAS cutting ties with DAP, that speak volumes.
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QUOTE(Space Agent @ Feb 6 2019, 03:13 PM)
how come DAP the enemy of islam help out kelantan flood victim,.. even after PAS cut ties with them ???
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How come malaysia help singapore even after singapore separated from malaysia?


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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 07:15 PM)
One thing from all your replies are damn wrong. Dap not against passed or Islam. They objected those that could be caused chain effects to others religion culture. It is not against off any party or religion because that changed is against the constitution.

You can’t label someone a anti-Islam just because they has different opinions. That’s very arrogant isn’t?
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How examplethings like ruu can affected the nonmuslim?

Even theres some element of disagreement , as civirilized community we can find middle path solution, a solution of win win among 2 groups...but have we tryimg to negotiate such deal? As far as i concern, whatever pas proposal has been rejected blindly. Theres even no room for discussion or negotiation. Almost none. It is just yes and no answer, nothing of like "yes but...". Its like black n white answer, not grey side

Let me test on u....a sterwardest voluntereed herself to wear hijab. Will u respect her decisiom or not?
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PAS cuties with DAP?
Drillz mana?
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Feb 6 2019, 07:17 PM)
You need to understand the constitution and penal code. Is sale of alcohol banned in the constitution and penal code? And hijab issue, shouldn't they approach MAS? After all, it's related to MAS company attire?
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No one suggest to alcohol ban....the wish was like restrict alcohol sale, dont made it widely available, even oversea domt just sell alcohol in all shop..only selected shop
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 07:55 PM)
How examplethings like ruu can affected the nonmuslim?

Even theres some element of disagreement , as civirilized community we can find middle path solution, a solution of win win among 2 groups...but have we tryimg to negotiate such deal? As far as i concern, whatever pas proposal has been rejected blindly. Theres even no room for discussion or negotiation. Almost none. It is just yes and no answer, nothing of like "yes but...". Its like black n white answer, not grey side

Let me test on u....a sterwardest voluntereed herself to wear hijab. Will u respect her decisiom or not?
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just crossed check your own statement you’ll find the dispute contents how it will affects others.
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ Feb 6 2019, 07:36 PM)
Prove of 90 millions?
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Bawang da withdrawal suit against SR.
SR article on PAS members getting the 90m no need to take down from website.
You understand or choose not to understand?
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Malays and muslims believing this poison from PAS should really reflect on how to live with others in the world.
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 07:58 PM)
No one suggest to alcohol ban....the wish was like restrict alcohol sale, dont made it widely available, even oversea domt just sell alcohol in all shop..only selected shop
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Please show me where is it that PAS proposed to restrict alcohol sale, and what was the terms of the restrictions? Last that I know, we already have existing civil laws alcohol is forbidden to be sold to muslims. So what more restrictions did PAS wanted?
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just crossed check your own statement you’ll find the dispute contents how it will affects others.
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Ok skip that.

Answer me the last question...a female sterwardess muslimah want to wear hijab during her work, will u respect?
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:09 PM)
Ok skip that.

Answer me the last question...a female sterwardess muslimah want to wear hijab during her work, will u respect?
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During your grand parents time no problem
Now problem?
Cloths makes you more holy? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:09 PM)
Ok skip that.

Answer me the last question...a female sterwardess muslimah want to wear hijab during her work, will u respect?
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My own point of view. I will feel uneasy if I can’t see her entire face if she serve me. It is not because of religion. It is because of safety.


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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:09 PM)
Ok skip that.

Answer me the last question...a female sterwardess muslimah want to wear hijab during her work, will u respect?
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even western pipu dont respect muslim minority lulz
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:09 PM)
Ok skip that.

Answer me the last question...a female sterwardess muslimah want to wear hijab during her work, will u respect?
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I think you asked the wrong party here. Importantly, does it goes against MAS policy on attires?
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Feb 6 2019, 08:11 PM)
During your grand parents time no problem
Now problem?
Cloths makes you more holy? hmm.gif
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Why do u want to argue?...this is question of respecting other values. Will u respect?
Just as how u want other people to resprct number 4 haram, even though it made no sense at all

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Feb 6 2019, 02:49 PM)
I think DAP dont want to follow what he say actually. Coz PAS = Islam.

Go against what hadi say is the same as going against islam.

The dude is delusional
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This is when PAS accuse DAP anti-Islam.
PAS start act weirdly after dead of TGNA and during PKR Kajang Move. There are some open arguments between PAS's Hadi team and DAP. One of the PAS Hadi team announced cut ties with DAP, then DAP responded by stop working with Hadi but continued to work with PAS. DAP mistake start here, they underestimated intelligent of Hadi team .

PAS accuse DAP;
Stop working with Hadi = stop working with PAS.
Stop working with PAS = Anti PAS
ANTI-PAS = ANTI ISLAM.

That's why PAS accused DAP anti-Islam until today.
Hadi Team is the first announced stop working with DAP but PAS supporters doesn't seem to care.

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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 08:12 PM)
My own point of view. I will feel uneasy if I can’t see her entire face if she serve me. It is not because of religion. It is because of safety.
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In the vrry first place...have u trying to understand entirely waht she want? Hijab is broad term to cover one part body. It can means cover face...n i t can means just wewring tudung n cover all body except face n hand. So since u guys speak of multireligion n multiracial, will u respect her wish to wear hijab. With face n hand revealed
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:13 PM)
Why do u want to argue?...this is question of respecting other values. Will u respect?
Just as how u want other people to resprct number 4 haram, even though it made no sense at all
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Attire more critical than corruption?
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 06:39 PM)
Something i domt understand....if lets say pas decide want to limit alcohol sale or promote hijab in stewardess n dap agaijst it. So why pas need to be together with pakatan when they know their agenda cant be carried together with presence of dap. This is democracy, should not we respect pas wish to say bye bye to dap? Afterall....even if pas with dap what good will be, if dap keep against pas. Common sense right?

All thr while i see.....dap is angry with pas for one reason only, because pas is stealing malaynvoters. Thats all
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Nobody is asking PAS to be together with Pakatan... They are just questioning why the sudden change of heart from being anti-BN to anti-PH... Why bitter about DAP?

Its obvious that DAP is just being made the scapegoat because you can see the change in PAS attitude because RUU 355 was made public and that made PAS lose a lot of non-Muslim support...

PAS was in a coalition with Pakatan and tried to do something with RUU 355 without even consulting their Pakatan partners... That itself shows that PAS was the one who made the move first, not DAP...
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:13 PM)
Why do u want to argue?...this is question of respecting other values. Will u respect?
Just as how u want other people to resprct number 4 haram, even though it made no sense at all
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Now this is freaking crazy. Since when did the chinese demanded ppl to respect no 4 as haram????? I've not seen or heard any news about demo or viral etc when it comes to number 4. Come on man, can you be reasonable here? doh.gif
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:55 PM)
What do u mean islam sesat?
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Feb 6 2019, 08:17 PM)
Attire more critical than corruption?
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See...u are tryimg to derail from discussion. How hypocrisy of u calling for multirelgiin n mukti racial, but u cant respect other values. If she want to wear hijab, thats her choice. Why must it a problem with u?
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:17 PM)
In the vrry first place...have u trying to understand entirely waht she want? Hijab is broad term to cover one part body. It can means cover face...n i t can means just wewring tudung n cover all body except face n hand. So since u guys speak of multireligion n multiracial, will u respect her wish to wear hijab. With face n hand revealed
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Errrr. You’re talking about air stewardess isn’t? she’ll serve not only one race isn’t. Just like I posted earlier. You can’t force someone to accept what you want. Mutual respect is both way.

Your statement is “you want these to imposed. NO question ask and objection or else whoever object are consider anti-Islam”

The stewardess has to serve other countries citizen also right? So will you respect them? This come back to both side mutual respect

I have been travel around. MAS stewardess worm tudung I have no issue.

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Feb 6 2019, 08:17 PM)
Now this is freaking crazy. Since when did the chinese demanded ppl to respect no 4 as haram????? I've not seen or heard any news about demo or viral etc when it comes to number 4. Come on man, can you be reasonable here? doh.gif
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I mean is as chinese im sure they dont like to be questioned why hate number 4. Its about respecting one value. If chinese dont like, ok fine we respect it. So why cant they do for the muslim? Keep talking about multiracialn multirelgiion, but we cant respect other people value
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:20 PM)
See...u are tryimg to derail from discussion. How hypocrisy of u calling for multirelgiin n mukti racial, but u cant respect other values. If she want to wear hijab, thats her choice. Why must it a problem with u?
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Attire more critical than corruption?
Parti Ajaran Sesat da puas!
90m!
Thanks suckers! thumbup.gif

Psst... please check the flight crews attire for the middle East airlines after the plane take off!
Dun be blinded by ajaran sesat!
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 07:55 PM)
How examplethings like ruu can affected the nonmuslim?

Even theres some element of disagreement , as civirilized community we can find middle path solution, a solution of win win among 2 groups...but have we tryimg to negotiate such deal? As far as i concern, whatever pas proposal has been rejected blindly. Theres even no room for discussion or negotiation. Almost none. It is just yes and no answer, nothing of like "yes but...". Its like black n white answer, not grey side

Let me test on u....a sterwardest voluntereed herself to wear hijab. Will u respect her decisiom or not?
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Its not that PAS was rejected for a discussion... It was PAS who refuse to compromise... For example, the sale of alcohol in a supermarket... Despite signs and special area located within a supermarket, they still want the sale of Alcohol to be banned within the area because its Muslim dominated, IGNORING, the existence of minority within the area who are non-Muslims... Another example, Linkin Park concert being protested simply because its "Western Entertainment which erodes Islamic Values", againg IGNORING, the non-Muslims who may want to attend the concerts...

These two examples already show that PAS only wants non-Muslims to support them but refuse to acknowledge the existence of other communities in Malaysia...

As for the stewardess, if she volunteers, and there's no international laws or concerns against it, then I don't see anything wrong... But this has to betweem the individual and the airline...

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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 08:23 PM)
Errrr. You’re talking about air stewardess isn’t? she’ll serve not only one race isn’t. Just like I posted earlier. You can’t force someone to accept what you want. Mutual respect is both way.

Your statement is “you want these to imposed. NO question ask and objection or else whoever object are consider anti-Islam”

The stewardess has to serve other countries citizen also right? So will you respect them? This come back to both side mutual respect.
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This is double standard itself. By saying she cant wear hijab, its similarly saying u are imposing her to not wear hijab when she want to wear hijab
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:26 PM)
This is double standard itself. By saying she cant wear hijab, its similarly saying u are imposing her to not wear hijab when she want to wear hijab
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What has shown is you doesn’t care about safety. You try to understand why. It is not because of religious.
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:23 PM)
I mean is as chinese im sure they dont like to be questioned why hate number 4. Its about respecting one value. If chinese dont like, ok fine we respect it. So why cant they do for the muslim? Keep talking about multiracialn multirelgiion, but we cant respect other people value
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Problem is Chinese here do not impose forcibly on others. Similarly for China's forceful policies, I do not agree as well.
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:26 PM)
This is double standard itself. By saying she cant wear hijab, its similarly saying u are imposing her to not wear hijab when she want to wear hijab
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just accept it
people nowadays can discriminate others in the name of "safety", "sports", "economy" in the same way religious people can discriminate in the name of religion lol
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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 08:28 PM)
What has shown is you doesn’t care about safety. You try to understand why. It is not because of religious.
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By ur answer, it seems U dont understand what hijab is even after explaining that it does not neccesary cover face. So how it affect security?So its kind of shame of u tring to explain something u dont understand
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Feb 6 2019, 08:02 PM)
Bawang da withdrawal suit against SR.
SR article on PAS members getting the 90m no need to take down from website.
You understand or choose not to understand?
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Still not a prove. Burden of prove is on the accuser dumbass. May look suspicious still not a definitive proof. Got it?
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:23 PM)
I mean is as chinese im sure they dont like to be questioned why hate number 4. Its about respecting one value. If chinese dont like, ok fine we respect it. So why cant they do for the muslim? Keep talking about multiracialn multirelgiion, but we cant respect other people value
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This was what you posted earlier:
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Just as how u want other people to resprct number 4 haram, even though it made no sense at all

Now you change tune to "as chinese im sure they dont like to be questioned why hate number 4"?

I think that's some serious major difference there.

Anyways, I noticed you skipped my question and replied others instead. Can you answer this, instead of asking ppl here, have you checked if hijab is part of MAS attire? This here is the problem. Instead of approaching MAS and discuss with them, you go "ohhh wearing hijab is muslimah's rights. Anybody who disagree is anti Islam!" So how to have productive discussion here if you have already decided the outcome and any other outcomes are unacceptable?

Btw, chinese just pantang no 4, never hate. It's not even anything serious. If you give me a free house with number 4, I'd be very happy to stay in it biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Feb 6 2019, 08:35 PM)
This was what you posted earlier:

Now you change tune to "as chinese im sure they dont like to be questioned why hate number 4"?

I think that's some serious major difference there.

Anyways, I noticed you skipped my question and replied others instead. Can you answer this, instead of asking ppl here, have you checked if hijab is part of MAS attire? This here is the problem. Instead of approaching MAS and discuss with them, you go "ohhh wearing hijab is muslimah's rights. Anybody who disagree is anti Islam!" So how to have productive discussion here if you have already decided the outcome and any other outcomes are unacceptable?

Btw, chinese just pantang no 4, never hate. It's not even anything serious. If you give me a free house with number 4, I'd be very happy to stay in it biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(matramlee @ Feb 6 2019, 08:27 PM)
yes..i agree...

chinese hate number 4,, but they doesn't ask other people to follow them.... it means they still can respect others..

but if PAS hate number 8 (for example), i'm sure PAS will ask all people to follow them... number 8 cannot be used in this country...haha...
it means PAS cannot respect others... why???
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Pas pun ada silapnya...which im not pas supporter pun

What im trying to say here....the muslim respect chinese hate number 4, where do u see muslim question why chinese hate number 4.. almost none, n since not so many people questioned it, so u rarely see chinese get angry theor value being questioned because muslim respect it.

But the problem u see in the discussion, even a sterwardess want to wear hijab voluntarily, itupun tak nak hormat. They keep saying issue secuirtylah, isu bla bla,,,some bring about corruption. That s the whole issue. The issue here is simply,u nak hormat tak kemahuan wanita muslimah tu. So u can see, they dont want to respect it
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:32 PM)
By ur answer, it seems U dont understand what hijab is even after explaining that it does not neccesary cover face. So how it affect security?So its kind of shame of u  tring to explain something u dont understand
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like I say. If I can see the person face that serve me is okay!

From all your post you can’t blame why the Islamic airbus not making money because you doesn’t know how to do business. You doesn’t care about others.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/a...l-airline-.html


What you want is “No question ask” but it doesn’t work that way

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Hadi awang is a known racist. Pas is dead with tok guru nik aziz
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QUOTE(matramlee @ Feb 6 2019, 08:27 PM)
yes..i agree...

chinese hate number 4,, but they doesn't ask other people to follow them.... it means they still can respect others..

but if PAS hate number 8 (for example), i'm sure PAS will ask all people to follow them... number 8 cannot be used in this country...haha...
it means PAS cannot respect others... why???
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+1000.

This very good example that explained what non Muslims think about PAS/UMNO supports.
If you don't like it is your problem, why stopping the non Muslim using it? Be it a clothes, drinks or animal picture.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Feb 6 2019, 08:35 PM)
This was what you posted earlier:

Now you change tune to "as chinese im sure they dont like to be questioned why hate number 4"?

I think that's some serious major difference there.

Anyways, I noticed you skipped my question and replied others instead. Can you answer this, instead of asking ppl here, have you checked if hijab is part of MAS attire? This here is the problem. Instead of approaching MAS and discuss with them, you go "ohhh wearing hijab is muslimah's rights. Anybody who disagree is anti Islam!" So how to have productive discussion here if you have already decided the outcome and any other outcomes are unacceptable?

Btw, chinese just pantang no 4, never hate. It's not even anything serious. If you give me a free house with number 4, I'd be very happy to stay in it biggrin.gif
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He skipped my post about his thinking that non muslim cannot be muslim leader lol.

He talk about people choice if want to wear hijab. But ignore the part that in Kelantan muslim women that choose to not wear hijab will be fined. In secular law he emphasis on choices but in religion law where there's no choices he turn blind eyes.
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you just need to prove that the money he accept from najib is a bribery to put him away for good, can AG or PH do that for us? It all depends on the court trials.

This one still without any charges, but already retreated from SR suit, means SR report was right about them. But it's not enough, waiting for counter charge, but no one take a move yet.

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Kes 90juta...CONFIRM PAS SALAH... Belum dibuktikan di mahkhamah..PUN

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DAP is a party open to all Malaysians. UMNO is corrupt racist party. Why PAS, a religious party, is working with a corrupt racist party?
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QUOTE(lowya @ Feb 6 2019, 09:04 PM)
you just need to prove that the money he accept from najib is a bribery to put him away for good, can AG or PH do that for us? It all depends on the court trials.

This one still without any charges, but already retreated from SR suit, means SR report was right about them. But it's not enough, waiting for counter charge, but no one take a move yet.
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what is there got to do with these thread?

but if padi wanted to clear his name and passed reputation. the best is to continue the lawsuit since there's no evidence like you claimed?
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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 10:02 PM)
what is there got to do with these thread?

but if padi wanted to clear his name and passed reputation. the best is to continue the lawsuit since there's no evidence like you claimed?
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http://www.sarawakreport.org/2019/02/hadi-...sarawak-report/
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QUOTE(lowya @ Feb 6 2019, 10:04 PM)
you're in a wrong thread. You should check out the thread I open.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4733122&hl=
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QUOTE(goodiemangold @ Feb 6 2019, 05:08 PM)
That is why PH is still the better bet. DAP is secular but they can't push it all the way with other parties all in it together. That's why you see u turn in so many decisions. That is check and balance.
DAP has all the good minds and smart people to bring the country forward but having them to lead will result in some segment of the society being left behind. That is why PKR, Bersatu, Amanah is in PH to protect the interest of the Malays. Yes, it's a very messy transition period now when they are inexperienced in running a government. But this mix of parties and the way their presidential council works is the best bet to bring the country forward.

Too bad that most Malaysians can't see this. Everyone just want to protect their own interest but failed to see that the only way forward is unity among the races. Eg. Chinese with their economic driven attitude & Malay with the welfare and moderation.
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Dap nak ubah malaysia jadi republik? Ini satu kenyataan yang paling bijak aku baca dalam /k. Pandangan 20 sen aku lah demografi malaysia terakhir aku periksa dalam 68 peratus melayu. Mengambil kira 30 peratus melayu yang menyokong pakatan harapan dan 38 peratus melayu yang menyokong pas umno. Aku tak rasa dap dapat merealisasi kan impian republik malaysia itu. Kira kira nya mudah. Kalau usul dap nak ubah malaysia ke republik kena bentang di parlimen. Aku tak percaya yang ahli parlimen melayu akan sokong usul ni. Berbalik kepada nisbah ahli parlimen melayu di parlimen. Ya aku tahu kesetiaan kepada pemimpin itu penting ya aku percaya alquran dan as sunnah itu petunjuk dari ilahi tapi Allah juga memberi manusia akal untuk berfikir secara waras. Islam membawa perdamaian bukan membawa perpecahan. Seugiya zaman nabi dulu di madinah nabi menjaga kaum yahudi yang berada dalam kota madinah. Lihat di barat islam berkembang dengan aman di negara yang diperintah oleh bukan islam. Pandangan aku kepada pas adalah mereka kecewa rancangan untuk berpakat dengan umno semasa pru 14 tidak berjaya. Jika berjaya pas mendapat laba yang banyak kerana berjaya mempecahbelahkan pakatan harapan. Sejujurnya aku malu dengan pemimpin yang mencermin kan islam tapi tidak mempunyai intipati islam itu tersendiri. Sejak bila islam itu eklusif hanya pada melayu. Persoalan yang paling susah nak terima sejak bila menyokong sesuatu parti itu menjamin tempat di syurga? Aku harap yang baca komen aku ni tidak ada meter sindiran mereka rosak. Sekian
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 08:09 PM)
Ok skip that.

Answer me the last question...a female sterwardess muslimah want to wear hijab during her work, will u respect?
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Wahai tuan bani prime sedarkah anda semasa pramugari itu memilih kerjanya dia sudah tahu bahawa dia perlu mengingkari larangan Allah? Pilihan di tangan individu, kalau pramugari itu hendak bertudung semasa berkerja, adakah tiada kerja lain yang membenarkan dia untuk bertudung semasa waktu kerjanya? Persoalanya dimana rasional nya dia memilih kerja sebagai pramugari?
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QUOTE(ken_hidaibuki @ Feb 7 2019, 12:15 AM)
Wahai tuan bani prime sedarkah anda semasa pramugari itu memilih kerjanya dia sudah tahu bahawa dia perlu mengingkari larangan Allah? Pilihan di tangan individu, kalau pramugari itu hendak bertudung semasa berkerja, adakah tiada kerja lain yang membenarkan dia untuk bertudung semasa waktu kerjanya? Persoalanya dimana rasional nya dia memilih kerja sebagai pramugari?
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ada yg senior sudah insaflah
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 7 2019, 12:17 AM)
ada yg senior sudah insaflah
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Jadi imannya bergantung pada disiplin syarikat? Berbalik kepada respon saya di atas jika dia ( pramugari) itu hendak memakai tudung semasa berkerja tidakkah dia boleh memilih kerja lain. Tidakkah bumi Allah ini luas dan Allah menjanjikan ganjaran kepada sesiapa yang berusaha? Ingin saya selitkan sedikit soalan kepada tuan bani prime. Salah satu kehendak pekerjaan pramugari/gara untuk menghidangkan arak kepada penumpang. Adakah pemakaian tudung lebih berat hukumnya dari menghidangkan arak kepada penumpang?
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Jadi imannya bergantung pada disiplin syarikat? Berbalik kepada respon saya di atas jika dia ( pramugari) itu hendak memakai tudung semasa berkerja tidakkah dia boleh memilih kerja lain. Tidakkah bumi Allah ini luas dan Allah menjanjikan ganjaran kepada sesiapa yang berusaha? Ingin saya selitkan sedikit soalan kepada tuan bani prime. Salah satu kehendak pekerjaan pramugari/gara untuk menghidangkan arak kepada penumpang. Adakah pemakaian tudung lebih berat hukumnya dari menghidangkan arak kepada penumpang?
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lain org lain iman bro. bergantung pd iman org tu, sanggup ke dia melepaskan pekerjaan esp yg senior, dan menpunyai komitment perbelanjaan tinggi...atau dengan pendidikan rendah...setakat mana dia yakin kalau dah berhenti, boleh dapat kerja balik dgn mudah. Jgn sedap menghukum, sekurang2nya kita bantulah ringankan pekerjaan mereka. dah kita pun digalakkan bertolong tolong dlm hal kebaikan,,,,kalau kau boleh tawarkan diorang pekerjaan yg tetap dgn gaji yg mencukupi....lagi bagus

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Fak u politicians. Islam is good but u spoil the image when u use it as a political tool. GTFO of politics if u just want to use religion as a tool
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He should offer a breakdown what has DAP against Islam?  hmm.gif
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senang cite, PAS tak puaihati
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Dap nak ubah malaysia jadi republik? Ini satu kenyataan yang paling bijak aku baca dalam /k. Pandangan 20 sen aku lah demografi malaysia terakhir aku periksa dalam 68 peratus melayu. Mengambil kira 30 peratus melayu yang menyokong pakatan harapan dan 38 peratus melayu yang menyokong pas umno. Aku tak rasa dap dapat merealisasi kan impian republik malaysia itu. Kira kira nya mudah. Kalau usul dap nak ubah malaysia ke republik kena bentang di parlimen. Aku tak percaya yang ahli parlimen melayu akan sokong usul ni. Berbalik kepada nisbah ahli parlimen melayu di parlimen. Ya aku tahu kesetiaan kepada pemimpin itu penting ya aku percaya alquran dan as sunnah itu petunjuk dari ilahi tapi Allah juga memberi manusia akal untuk berfikir secara waras. Islam membawa perdamaian bukan membawa perpecahan. Seugiya zaman nabi dulu di madinah nabi menjaga kaum yahudi yang berada dalam kota madinah. Lihat di barat islam berkembang dengan aman di negara yang diperintah oleh bukan islam. Pandangan aku kepada pas adalah mereka kecewa rancangan untuk berpakat dengan umno semasa pru 14 tidak berjaya. Jika berjaya pas mendapat laba yang banyak kerana berjaya mempecahbelahkan pakatan harapan. Sejujurnya aku malu dengan pemimpin yang mencermin kan islam tapi tidak mempunyai intipati islam itu tersendiri. Sejak bila islam itu eklusif hanya pada melayu. Persoalan yang paling susah nak terima sejak bila menyokong sesuatu parti itu menjamin tempat di syurga? Aku harap yang baca komen aku ni tidak ada meter sindiran mereka rosak. Sekian
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Religious again.. Eat sleep shit everything also need to link to the god...

And yet, ton of followers
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All PH macai now changing the tide to PAS when all their promises aren't fulfilled. Nice try.
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QUOTE(zaimazhar @ Feb 7 2019, 03:11 AM)
All PH macai now changing the tide to PAS when all their promises aren't fulfilled. Nice try.
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Err more like PAS leaders that created these mess for people to complain them.
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Religion aside, PAS had one manifesto for GE14 whereby savings account will be taxed to a certain percentage for whatever balance that remained...

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QUOTE(Space Agent @ Feb 7 2019, 03:09 AM)
last time it's called brain washing,.. modern science time it's called control conditioning,...
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40 years of R&R brainwashing doesn't go away overnite!
40 years of the divisive doctrine of R&R make songlap yg berbillions happens easily!
Rape & pillage 1MDB, FGV, Felda, Tabung Haji, MARA, DLL is not a problem!
DAP is the major problem!
Thanks suckers! thumbup.gif

... err ... what else belum kena rob and raped? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 7 2019, 12:35 AM)
lain org lain iman bro. bergantung pd iman org tu, sanggup ke dia melepaskan pekerjaan esp yg senior, dan menpunyai komitment perbelanjaan tinggi...atau dengan pendidikan rendah...setakat mana dia yakin kalau dah berhenti, boleh dapat kerja balik dgn mudah. Jgn sedap menghukum, sekurang2nya kita bantulah ringankan pekerjaan mereka. dah kita pun digalakkan bertolong tolong dlm hal kebaikan,,,,kalau kau boleh tawarkan diorang pekerjaan yg tetap dgn gaji yg mencukupi....lagi bagus
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QUOTE(Space Agent @ Feb 7 2019, 02:55 AM)
bagaimana kamu memutuskan yang DAP nak republikasi-kan Malaysia ??
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:35 PM)
Everyone want unity, but dap version unity is different. They prefer being republic, n treat all religion as equal n promote seculariwm. They will introduce it slowly...slowly...pretend to be ur friend, while they are upholdimg their principle slowly2 n diam2. Meanwhile, pakatan itself has proven many lies by many u turn like AEC, sst, free ptpthn...n many more. U shoukd ask urself....kalau ini sudah pun tipun can u trust their unity version? Scholar in the past, when they want to pick up a hadith, they will examined the periwwyat character. If the periwayat character also lies, the hadith will be rejected.....n why is it after contantly many lies that was protrayed through many u turn, why should we trust all the allegation n their unity
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why ppl keep askin this

muslim vs kafir

simple
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puak2 dap ni memang, asal pas je mesti pas yg buat silap macam dap dia tu suci tak buat silap langsung. kes rasuah kat penang sapa buat boss? pas? well, DAP.

tunding satu jari kt org, empat jari tunding diri sendiri. sarawak report apa macam? pas ajak makhamah takda bran ka?

get yourself sorted first bro. jgn keje cari salah org je.

Janji hapus ptptn puihh puak2 ph, pastu tukar janji 4k minimum gaji pastu last2 2k je.. dah tau tak boleh laksana bagitau la awal-awal. sst lagi murah? LGE said himself, "Yes SST is much CHEAPER than GST" then what's the difference with GST? still got TAX. janji capati bn dgn ph sama je.
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QUOTE(zaimazhar @ Feb 7 2019, 11:03 PM)
puak2 dap ni memang, asal pas je mesti pas yg buat silap macam dap dia tu suci tak buat silap langsung. kes rasuah kat penang sapa buat boss? pas? well, DAP.

tunding satu jari kt org, empat jari tunding diri sendiri. sarawak report apa macam? pas ajak makhamah takda bran ka?

get yourself sorted first bro. jgn keje cari salah org je.

Janji hapus ptptn puihh puak2 ph, pastu tukar janji 4k minimum gaji pastu last2 2k je.. dah tau tak boleh laksana bagitau la awal-awal. sst lagi murah? LGE said himself, "Yes SST is much CHEAPER than GST" then what's the difference with GST? still got TAX. janji capati bn dgn ph sama je.
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no derma, no support. got derma got support
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bcz UMNO got more money in the bank to share with PAS?
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Story was DAP doesn't agree to disagree term but keep it to yourself as PAS wants to implement hudud at kelantan.
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TELUK INTAN, Mei 27: Jasa besar DAP merupakan penyebab utama mengapa PAS mengerah seluruh jentera untuk membantu Dyana Sofya Mohd Daud dalam  Pilihanraya Kecil (PRK) Parlimen Teluk Intan, Sabtu ini.

Demikian kata Presiden PAS Haji Abdul Hadi Awang ketika menyampaikan ucapan semasa majlis Hi Tea di Taman Cecily.

“Pada tahun 1978 kami telah dibuang dari UMNO dan mereka berpakat bersama MCA serta MIC untuk menumbangkan PAS di Kelantan.

“Ketika itu dibuat semacam rusuhan di Kelantan, mereka membakar tayar dan beberapa kedai. Orang yang membakarnya adalah Presiden Perkasa sekarang.

“Maka undang-undang darurat dikenakan di Kelantan dan DAP membela kami serta menentang kuat pelaksanaannya,” katanya.

Katanya, itulah antara sebab utama PAS memilih bersepakat dengan DAP, mengenepikan perbezaan dan menyokong penuh Dyana sebagai calon.

Tambah beliau, dengan adanya Dyana juga akan memberikan tambahan suara di Parlimen untuk terus memberikan tekanan kepada pemerintah.

“Dyana merupakan seorang peguam muda yang kita amat yakin boleh menentang dengan lantang segala kesalahan UMNO di Parlimen.

“Beliau bukan ‘pak turut’ atau ‘pak hangguk’ seperti calon Gerakan tapi seorang wanita muda berani yang akan membela kepentingan seluruh rakyat, termasuk rakyat di Teluk Intan,” tegasnya.

Hadi: Only DAP defended PAS when Kelantan govt fell in 1978
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TELUK INTAN: PAS is working together with DAP as a token of gratitude for standing by their side when the Kelantan government fell in 1978.

PAS president Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang said it was DAP who defended PAS when the Kelantan government fell to Barisan Nasional then, causing chaos within the state.


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PAS tidak pernah lupa jasa DAP pada 1978 – Hadi
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Hadi: Only DAP defended PAS when Kelantan govt fell in 1978
27 May 2014 SoS

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Issue that lead to their broke up is prior 2014?
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I remember DAP said their alliance is dead. And PAS said it is not dead. So who kick who out?

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:15 PM)
1. When hassan ali want to limit alcohol sale, dap against it
2. When appeal to allow hijab on mas stewardess for female staff who volunteer want to wear hijab, still dap against it
3. When pas want to made hudud, karpal singth say langkah mayat ku dulu
4. When teressa kok want to enter mosque, dont respect the requirement, insteqd call her colleague to allow her enter without the requirement
5. Dap constitution also is a threat to pas. Pas want islam as a soveriegn religi9n, dap want to treat all religion equal
6. Their follower action has somehow paint dap more to anti islam, exsmple like some comment from fb, etc
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only no. 3 has actual proof.

no. 4, IINM Teresa kok did not enter actual mosque building but enter the compound (dalam pagar).

no. 6 is not directly DAP fault.

meanwhile all the other reasons are just wrong perception and practically outright lies.

sadly most malays rather believe lies than finding out for themselves.


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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:35 PM)
Everyone want unity, but dap version unity is different. They prefer being republic, n treat all religion as equal n promote seculariwm. They will introduce it slowly...slowly...pretend to be ur friend, while they are upholdimg their principle slowly2 n diam2. Meanwhile, pakatan itself has proven many lies by many u turn like AEC, sst, free ptpthn...n many more. U shoukd ask urself....kalau ini sudah pun tipun can u trust their unity version? Scholar in the past, when they want to pick up a hadith, they will examined the periwwyat character. If the periwayat character also lies, the hadith will be rejected.....n why is it after contantly many lies that was protrayed through many u turn, why should we trust all the allegation n their unity
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where does it say DAP supports becoming republic?

where does it say pakatan offer free PTPTN in their latest 2018 election manifesto?

pakatan already said they will reintroduce the SST to replace GST inside manifesto.

TL; DR you understood wrong.
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This is the problem. Many Malay Muslims are brainwashed into thinking this is an islamic country with full islamic theological governance instead of a secular country with Islam as official religion
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this.

unfortunately they think that bcos they are the majority so their interpretation must be the right one...

however I would add that we are not totally secular or an Islamic country but rather a hybrid...

and while Islam is the official religion of the federation, sabah and Sarawak technically is silent on that...
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 07:55 PM)
How examplethings like ruu can affected the nonmuslim?

Even theres some element of disagreement , as civirilized community we can find middle path solution, a solution of win win among 2 groups...but have we tryimg to negotiate such deal? As far as i concern, whatever pas proposal has been rejected blindly. Theres even no room for discussion or negotiation. Almost none. It is just yes and no answer, nothing of like "yes but...". Its like black n white answer, not grey side

Let me test on u....a sterwardest voluntereed herself to wear hijab. Will u respect her decisiom or not?
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example of RUU355 amendment that can affect non-muslim

(btw RUU355 already inside law, what PAS want is an amendment to expand it)

aurat issue. actually in Kelantan there's already a law about aurat. supposedly only affects muslims.

but non muslims also affected.

proof?

non-muslim shops fined for having ads of Non-muslim models not wearing hijab (aka showing their hair)

https://www.mynewshub.tv/utama-sensasi/farm...er-dedah-aurat/

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KOTA BHARU – Sebuah farmasi di sini telah dikenakan saman oleh pegawai penguatkuasa Majlis Perbandaran Kota Bharu (MPKB) kerana mempamerkan poster model wanita yang tidak menutup aurat.

Kes ini berlaku pada 26 Julai lalu iaitu sehari selepas pihak berkuasa tempatan mengeluarkan saman kepada sebuah kedai jam kerana memaparkan dua poster ‘seksi’, termasuk salah satunya melibatkan imej pelakon Aishwarya Rai.

Dalam kejadian pada tarikh itu, seorang pekerja farmasi berkata pegawai penguatkuasa majlis mengeluarkan saman kepada pihak pengurusan kerana memaparkan poster model yang ‘terdedah aurat’.

“Saya diberitahu pengurus terpaksa membayar RM150 bagi kesalahan itu.

“Ini adalah kali pertama kami disaman selepas poster itu diletakkan baru-baru ini,” kata pekerja berkenaan.

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Abdul Fattah berkata demikian ketika diminta mengulas mengenai dua ahli perniagaan bukan Melayu yang dikenakan saman selepas mempamerkan poster model tanpa tudung. – mStar
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 07:58 PM)
No one suggest to alcohol ban....the wish was like restrict alcohol sale, dont made it widely available, even oversea domt just sell alcohol in all shop..only selected shop
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that's already happening here.

alchohol only sold in selected shops.

ada ke kedai mamak jual beer selain A&W atau mug sarsaparilla?

only shops that have liquor license can sell hard liquor.

and they need to publish their application inside papers for ppl to object.

as for alcoholic beverage with <5% alcohol they don't need to apply hard liquor license but have to sell it in designated cooler and also with warning that it's not for muslims.

yang orang muslim pergi beli jugak buat apa?
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PAS play malay cards
DAP play chinese cards

both said racist to each others...

endless story....

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only no. 3 has actual proof.

no. 4, IINM Teresa kok did not enter actual mosque building but enter the compound (dalam pagar).

no. 6 is not directly DAP fault.

meanwhile all the other reasons are just wrong perception and practically outright lies.

sadly most malays rather believe lies than finding out for themselves.
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number 6 nit entirely their fault but their silence means they agree on them. example when someone mocking sultan, wheres dap to take a stand. n yet... when a malay guy show middle fingee to calsberg girl, dap quickly stand forward
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 06:39 PM)
Something i domt understand....if lets say pas decide want to limit alcohol sale or promote hijab in stewardess n dap agaijst it. So why pas need to be together with pakatan when they know their agenda cant be carried together with presence of dap. This is democracy, should not we respect pas wish to say bye bye to dap? Afterall....even if pas with dap what good will be, if dap keep against pas. Common sense right?

All thr while i see.....dap is angry with pas for one reason only, because pas is stealing malaynvoters. Thats all
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All thr while i see.....dap is angry with pas for one reason only, because pas is stealing malaynvoters. Thats all


Creating stories. DAP is not angry with PAS because PAS is stealing malaynvoters.

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no. 6 is not directly DAP fault.


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DAP never say anything. So they gave tactic approval of what their followers were doing.

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where does it say pakatan offer free PTPTN in their latest 2018 election manifesto?

If it's going to be free, why is there the need to take any loan or have to pay such loan if taken?

Free higher education for all, Pakatan pledges in alternative budget
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/free-higher-educa...-041700797.html
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 11 2019, 05:50 PM)
this.

unfortunately they think that bcos they are the majority so their interpretation must be the right one...

however I would add that we are not totally secular or an Islamic country but rather a hybrid...

and while Islam is the official religion of the federation, sabah and Sarawak technically is silent on that...
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In the beginning, Islam is not the official religion of Sabah and Sarawak.

But when UMNO took over Sabah, I think they changed the state constitution to make Islam the official religion of Sabah.

As for Sarawak, they still maintain the old state constitution of not having any official religion, aka, secular.


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QUOTE(alexchew_2020 @ Feb 11 2019, 06:19 PM)
PAS play malay cards
DAP play chinese cards

both said racist to each others...

endless story....

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A different

PAS have always openly said they are for Islam or Malay.

DAP say they are not playing the racist card but are.


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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 12 2019, 07:22 AM)
number 6 nit entirely their fault but their silence means they agree on them. example when someone mocking sultan, wheres dap to take a stand. n yet... when a malay guy show middle fingee to calsberg girl, dap quickly stand forward
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DAP always took a stand to reprimand their real life (not anonymous online) members not to mock sultan or agong.

they even apologized on behalf!

proof:

http://www.utusan.com.my/berita/politik/da...riffin-1.817158

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JOHOR BAHRU 6 Jan. - DAP Johor hari ini merafak sembah dan memohon keampunan kepada Sultan Johor, Sultan Ibrahim Almarhum Sultan Iskandar atas kenyataan tidak sopan seorang anggotanya yang juga Ahli Majlis Daerah Pontian, Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin Harris Fadzillah terhadap institusi Raja Berperlembagaan dalam laman sosial Facebook, dua hari lepas.


Setiausahanya, Tan Hong Pin berkata, parti itu memandang berat terhadap kenyataan tidak sopan yang disampaikan tersebut.

“Kenyataan yang dimuat naik oleh Saudara Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin Harris Fadzillah menerusi akaun peribadi Facebooknya tersebut diungkapkan dengan bahasa yang tidak sopan dan tidak menggambarkan sifat seorang rakyat yang menghormati institusi Diraja.

“Sebagai ahli parti dan Ahli Majlis, beliau seharusnya mengutamakan budi bahasa dan bersikap sopan santun serta perlu menjaga tata tertib berbahasa,” katanya menerusi kenyataan di sini hari ini.

Hong Pin berkata, sungguhpun DAP teguh atas prinsip keluhuran Perlembagaan yang sekali gus memperjuangkan kebebasan bersuara, namun, prinsip dan perjuangan tersebut tidak boleh dijadikan alasan untuk melahirkan kenyataan tanpa rasa tanggungjawab.

Menurutnya, sebarang kenyataan yang dilahirkan harus mengikut etika diplomasi yang tinggi dan berintegriti.

“Semalam, DAP Negeri Johor telah dimaklumkan bahawa Ahli Majlis berkenaan (Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin) telahpun memohon maaf dalam media sosial beliau dan memadamkan kenyataan yang tidak sopan tersebut.

“Sehubungan dengan itu, DAP Johor merafak sembah dan memohon keampunan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Johor khususnya dan seluruh rakyat amnya atas sikap tidak bertanggungjawab ahli kami yang berkelakuan tidak sopan terhadap institusi Raja Berperlembagaan,” katanya.

Hong Pin menambah, sebagai sebuah parti yang menjadi anggota kerajaan, DAP sentiasa memantau tahap disiplin ahli-ahli dan wakil-wakil pimpinan di peringkat akar umbi semasa menjalankan khidmat mereka.

DAP mengulangi pendirian untuk menjunjung Perlembagaan Persekutuan dan institusi Raja Berperlembagaan di samping memelihara keharmonian masyarakat demi mensejahterakan rakyat secara keseluruhannya, katanya.

Terdahulu, Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin memuat naik kenyataan memperlekeh Tunku Mahkota Johor, Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim dalam akaun Facebook miliknya, Jumaat lepas, sebelum dipadamkan.

Beliau kemudian memohon maaf kepada seluruh kerabat Diraja Johor menerusi laman sama semalam atas kenyataan yang dibuatnya. - BERNAMA
there, bolded and enlarged official statement that

1. DAP will apologise for their actual real life members if they insulted sultan

2. DAP always upheld federal constitution, constitutional monarchy system and safeguarding public harmony etc. etc.

mana bukti DAP mahu jadikan republic?

but of course ppl don't want to believe bcos ppl already have irrational hatred and prejudice towards DAP bcos they rather believe lies from self-proclaimed ulama'.....


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DAP never say anything. So they gave tactic approval of what their followers were doing.
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they did say something but bcos it was for their actual members (not for online anonymous keyboard warriors who claim to be DAP members) no one either read about it or totally ignored it.

http://www.utusan.com.my/berita/politik/da...riffin-1.817158

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JOHOR BAHRU 6 Jan. - DAP Johor hari ini merafak sembah dan memohon keampunan kepada Sultan Johor, Sultan Ibrahim Almarhum Sultan Iskandar atas kenyataan tidak sopan seorang anggotanya yang juga Ahli Majlis Daerah Pontian, Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin Harris Fadzillah terhadap institusi Raja Berperlembagaan dalam laman sosial Facebook, dua hari lepas.

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Setiausahanya, Tan Hong Pin berkata, parti itu memandang berat terhadap kenyataan tidak sopan yang disampaikan tersebut.

“Kenyataan yang dimuat naik oleh Saudara Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin Harris Fadzillah menerusi akaun peribadi Facebooknya tersebut diungkapkan dengan bahasa yang tidak sopan dan tidak menggambarkan sifat seorang rakyat yang menghormati institusi Diraja.

“Sebagai ahli parti dan Ahli Majlis, beliau seharusnya mengutamakan budi bahasa dan bersikap sopan santun serta perlu menjaga tata tertib berbahasa,” katanya menerusi kenyataan di sini hari ini.

Hong Pin berkata, sungguhpun DAP teguh atas prinsip keluhuran Perlembagaan yang sekali gus memperjuangkan kebebasan bersuara, namun, prinsip dan perjuangan tersebut tidak boleh dijadikan alasan untuk melahirkan kenyataan tanpa rasa tanggungjawab.

Menurutnya, sebarang kenyataan yang dilahirkan harus mengikut etika diplomasi yang tinggi dan berintegriti.

“Semalam, DAP Negeri Johor telah dimaklumkan bahawa Ahli Majlis berkenaan (Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin) telahpun memohon maaf dalam media sosial beliau dan memadamkan kenyataan yang tidak sopan tersebut.

“Sehubungan dengan itu, DAP Johor merafak sembah dan memohon keampunan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Johor khususnya dan seluruh rakyat amnya atas sikap tidak bertanggungjawab ahli kami yang berkelakuan tidak sopan terhadap institusi Raja Berperlembagaan,” katanya.

Hong Pin menambah, sebagai sebuah parti yang menjadi anggota kerajaan, DAP sentiasa memantau tahap disiplin ahli-ahli dan wakil-wakil pimpinan di peringkat akar umbi semasa menjalankan khidmat mereka.

DAP mengulangi pendirian untuk menjunjung Perlembagaan Persekutuan dan institusi Raja Berperlembagaan di samping memelihara keharmonian masyarakat demi mensejahterakan rakyat secara keseluruhannya, katanya.

Terdahulu, Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin memuat naik kenyataan memperlekeh Tunku Mahkota Johor, Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim dalam akaun Facebook miliknya, Jumaat lepas, sebelum dipadamkan.

Beliau kemudian memohon maaf kepada seluruh kerabat Diraja Johor menerusi laman sama semalam atas kenyataan yang dibuatnya. - BERNAMA
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If it's going to be free, why is there the need to take any loan or have to pay such loan if taken?

Free higher education for all, Pakatan pledges in alternative budget
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/free-higher-educa...-041700797.html
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hello, we are talking 2018 election manifesto which was the latest pledge.

that one is alternative budget made in 2017. which is no longer valid.

election manifesto in 2018 is this:

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https://epaper.amanah.org.my/artikel-piliha...peminjam-ptptn/

1. remove blacklist (DONE)

2. delay payment until borrower earns more than RM4k/mth (not done)

that last part I admit they fucked up and even try to lower the amount to RM2k/mth.

if you kutuk that one I agree.

but nowhere in PH election manifesto that claim PH will give FREE PTPTN.

TL;DR if you wanna kutuk bettr make sure you kutuk based on actual facts and not something from UMNO/PAS propaganda...
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 12 2019, 05:43 AM)
they did say something but bcos it was for their actual members (not for online anonymous keyboard warriors who claim to be DAP members) no one either read about it or totally ignored it.

http://www.utusan.com.my/berita/politik/da...riffin-1.817158
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Using your own argument, UMNO seldom condemn some of those racist things by their followers. So does that makes UMNO anti-racism?


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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 12 2019, 05:49 AM)
hello, we are talking 2018 election manifesto which was the latest pledge.

that one is alternative budget made in 2017. which is no longer valid.

election manifesto in 2018 is this:

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https://epaper.amanah.org.my/artikel-piliha...peminjam-ptptn/

1. remove blacklist (DONE)

2. delay payment until borrower earns more than RM4k/mth (not done)

that last part I admit they fucked up and even try to lower the amount to RM2k/mth.

if you kutuk that one I agree.

but nowhere in PH election manifesto that claim PH will give FREE PTPTN.

TL;DR if you wanna kutuk bettr make sure you kutuk based on actual facts and not something from UMNO/PAS propaganda...
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So in 2017, Pakatan is just giving empty talk?
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Using your own argument, UMNO seldom condemn some of those racist things by their followers. So does that makes UMNO anti-racism?
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wait, you claim UMNO seldom condemn the racist things done by their followers yet you want to label them anti racism?

what logic?

if you claim umno always condemn the racist things then it would make sense.

do you have a problem with English proficiency?
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So in 2017, Pakatan is just giving empty talk?
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well things change constantly based on the situation of the time so let's stick to the election manifesto proper which was their main thrust in 2018.

or else you are gonna bring up other older expired promises as well? when they either changed that promise or abandoned it altogether?

this is the same argument with ppl keep mentioning that RM1.50/litre petrol price which they never officially promised but instead just put 'stabilize price'.

of which in current market is not possible anyway (even brunei charge RM1.70/litre ++)

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well things change constantly based on the situation of the time so let's stick to the election manifesto proper which was their main thrust in 2018.

or else you are gonna bring up other older expired promises as well? when they either changed that promise or abandoned it altogether?

this is the same argument with ppl keep mentioning that RM1.50/litre petrol price which they never officially promised but instead just put 'stabilize price'.

of which in current market is not possible anyway (even brunei charge RM1.70/litre ++)
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may be you want to list out what are the things in the manifesto that have been fulfilled or in the process of fulfilling? And also list out how many U turns so far.


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may be you want to list out what are the things in the manifesto that have been fulfilled or in the process of fulfilling? And also list out how many U turns so far.
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well let's start with that often misquoted and misunderstood 10 janji 100 hari part listed here:

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1.Abolish the Goods and Services Tax - DONE

2.Investigate scandal-plagued institutions - in the process

3.Introduce Employees Provident Fund (EPF) scheme for housewives - DONE

4.Re-introduce fuel subsidies for targeted groups - in the process

5.Standardise and increase the minimum wage - DONE but got complaints bcos rate set is just slightly higher. but they claim it will be a gradual increase

6.Postpone repayment to the National Higher Education Fund Corporation for those earning below RM4,000 - NOT DONE and I admit the biggest U Turn

7.Relook the awarding of mega projects to foreign countries - in the process, though some are in the ding dong process like ECRL. so I give this 1/2 a U Turn

8.Set up a task force to study how to return autonomy promise to Sabah and Sarawak, as set out in the Malaysia Agreement 1963 - in the process

9.Abolish FELDA settlers’ debts - NOT DONE and supposedly on the backburner no thanks to Felda's situation

10.Introduce national healthcare assistance initiative - DONE though instead of the Skim Peduli Sihat (which will see households in the B40 class be given RM500 worth of monetary assistance to receive treatment from private clinics) it's now called MySalam.

and of course ppl complain bcos supposedly it was done by a foreign insurance company that gave RM2 billion for the fund to avoid them being the target of BNM's insurance industry policies. so yeah, whatever.

So from my count that's a total of 1.5 U Turns (PTPTN and the ECRL, bcos the HSR is postponed among others)

4 are DONE (but ppl still complain bcos everyone's a critique)

4.5 are in the process and technically not a U Turn yet.

So what's your count?

let's stick to these 1st before we go to other actual promises listed (aka promises to be done within this term)

inb4 you didn't even know any of these promises in the 1st place, you just wanna scream U Turn bcos it seemed to be the cool thing to do.


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well let's start with that often misquoted and misunderstood 10 janji 100 hari part listed here:

1.Abolish the Goods and Services Tax - DONE

2.Investigate scandal-plagued institutions - in the process

3.Introduce Employees Provident Fund (EPF) scheme for housewives - DONE

4.Re-introduce fuel subsidies for targeted groups -  in the process

5.Standardise and increase the minimum wage - DONE but got complaints bcos rate set is just slightly higher. but they claim it will be a gradual increase

6.Postpone repayment to the National Higher Education Fund Corporation for those earning below RM4,000 - NOT DONE and I admit the biggest U Turn

7.Relook the awarding of mega projects to foreign countries - in the process, though some are in the ding dong process like ECRL. so I give this 1/2 a U Turn

8.Set up a task force to study how to return autonomy promise to Sabah and Sarawak, as set out in the Malaysia Agreement 1963 - in the process

9.Abolish FELDA settlers’ debts - NOT DONE and supposedly on the backburner no thanks to Felda's situation

10.Introduce national healthcare assistance initiative -  DONE though instead of the Skim Peduli Sihat (which will see households in the B40 class be given RM500 worth of monetary assistance to receive treatment from private clinics) it's now called MySalam.

and of course ppl complain bcos supposedly it was done by a foreign insurance company that gave RM2 billion for the fund to avoid them being the target of BNM's insurance industry policies. so yeah, whatever.

So from my count that's a total of 1.5 U Turns (PTPTN and the ECRL, bcos the HSR is postponed among others)

4 are DONE (but ppl still complain bcos everyone's a critique)

4.5 are in the process and technically not a U Turn yet.

So what's your count?

let's stick to these 1st before we go to other actual promises listed (aka promises to be done within this term)

inb4 you didn't even know any of these promises in the 1st place, you just wanna scream U Turn bcos it seemed to be the cool thing to do.
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8.Set up a task force to study how to return autonomy promise to Sabah and Sarawak, as set out in the Malaysia Agreement 1963 - in the process
Talk only. For example, they did promise 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue. So how long does it take to issue a check?

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Talk only. For example, they did promise 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue. So how long does it take to issue a check?
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well need to calculate the 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue 1st.

and 20% oil royalty is from entire oil production or just specific to sabah/Sarawak only?

and now that Sarawak claim petros is the proper oil rights holder, will federal govt. tax petros back?

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same goes for 50% tax revenue.

50% of total tax or tax collected from each state?

cannot simply issue cheque the later claim "eh wrong amount, eh wrong name" etc.

as mentioned, it's in process.

meanwhile total silence on all the other so called promises that in actuality weren't even the real promises listed but suddenly imposed on PH...
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 18 2019, 02:11 AM)
well need to calculate the 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue 1st.

and 20% oil royalty is from entire oil production or just specific to sabah/Sarawak only?

and now that Sarawak claim petros is the proper oil rights holder, will federal govt. tax petros back?

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same goes for 50% tax revenue.

50% of total tax or tax collected from each state?

cannot simply issue cheque the  later claim "eh wrong amount, eh wrong name" etc.

as mentioned, it's in process.

meanwhile total silence on all the other so called promises that in actuality weren't even the real promises listed but suddenly imposed on PH...
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excuses. excuses.

In the past they gave Sarawak 5%. So 20% means they give 4 x 5%. That difficult to do that simple math?
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 18 2019, 11:39 AM)
excuses. excuses.

In the past they gave Sarawak 5%. So 20% means they give 4 x 5%. That difficult to do that simple math?
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hi mr. nitpick.

the promise is not just limited to petroleum royalty payments but cover the MA63 federation agreement) yet this is the only thing you nitpick.

besides, pay to whom? Sarawak state govt. or petros?

what about that supposed law that claims to stipulate that petros is the rightful owner of all oil and gas and other minerals mined from Sarawak?

what about the challenge by petronas (as the govt. entity that is in charge of the PDA act) to petros?

as mentioned, it's in the process. timeline is not the 100 days.

timeline is until end of term.

meanwhile still quiet on all other so called promises that are not actual PH promises.

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 18 2019, 05:00 AM)
hi mr. nitpick.

the promise is not just limited to petroleum royalty payments but cover the  MA63 federation agreement) yet this is the only thing you nitpick.

besides, pay to whom? Sarawak state govt. or petros?

what about that supposed law that claims to stipulate that petros is the rightful owner of all oil and gas and other minerals mined from Sarawak?

what about the challenge by petronas (as the govt. entity that is in charge of the PDA act) to petros?

as mentioned, it's in the process. timeline is not the 100 days.

timeline is until end of term.

meanwhile still quiet on all other so called promises that are not actual PH promises.
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excuses. excuses. If they can't even give 20%, you think they will give more autonomy to Sarawak?

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2019, 10:50 AM)
excuses. excuses. If they can't even give 20%, you think they will give more autonomy to Sarawak?
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ok then list down Sarawak autonomy that has yet to be implemented?

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 19 2019, 04:15 AM)
ok then list down Sarawak autonomy that has yet to be implemented?
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Tax
Federal representation numbers
Borneoization of civil service
Negeri vs Negara
Oil and Gas. This one, it can be argued that Najib actually sort-of given back but now taken back by Federal.

Those for a start.

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 20 2019, 04:44 PM)
Tax
Federal representation numbers
Borneoization of civil service
Negeri vs Negara
Oil and Gas. This one, it can be argued that Najib actually sort-of given back but now taken back by Federal.

Those for a start.
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1. tax was never in the 18 point agreement or autonomy.

as it is all states whether in borneo or those in peninsular already collecting their own state and local govt. tax where it is allowed under constitution.

and of course now you have petros which want to collect tax on all oil & gas activities in Sarawak...

2. what do you mean federal representation umbers?

did federal govt. lower the numbers of MP from Sarawak inside parliament?

3. most of federal civil servants working in Sarawak are sarawakians.

in fact even sarawakians prefer NOT to work in federal depts. based in Sarawak bcos if they work in peninsular or even if they go up north in sabah, they get extra territorial allowance. much more worth it.

and peninsular ppl who work in Sarawak can only work for up to 5 years before they have to renew their permit.

and many actually can't wait to go back to peninsular too, you think all sarawakians are so welcoming?

and of course all state civil servants are native sarawakians as that's their law.

btw you have any actual figures on how many of the federal civil servants iin Sarawak are NOT from Sarawak?

4. pfft, semantics. wanna be negara and wanna secede, go ahead. later get invaded by Indonesians....

5. najib gave back O&G? lulz. petronas under najib already filed injunction in court to assert their right to all O&G activity for entire Malaysia.

he's basically playing good cop bad cop.

TL; DR most of what you listed here are not in the original agreement or never was rescinded or removed and in some cases it's own sarawakian ppl who don't want it like in no. 3....

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1. tax was never in the 18 point agreement or autonomy.

as it is all states whether in borneo or those in peninsular already collecting their own state and local govt. tax where it is allowed under constitution.

and of course now you have petros which want to collect tax on all oil & gas activities in Sarawak...

2. what do you mean federal representation umbers?

did federal govt. lower the numbers of MP from Sarawak inside parliament?

3. most of federal civil servants working in Sarawak are sarawakians.

in fact even sarawakians prefer NOT to work in federal depts. based in Sarawak bcos if they work in peninsular or even if they go up north in sabah, they get extra territorial allowance. much more worth it.

and peninsular ppl who work in Sarawak can only work for up to 5 years before they have to renew their permit.

and many actually can't wait to go back to peninsular too, you think all sarawakians are so welcoming?

and of course all state civil servants are native sarawakians as that's their law.

btw you have any actual figures on how many of the federal civil servants iin Sarawak are NOT from Sarawak?

4. pfft, semantics. wanna be negara and wanna secede, go ahead. later get invaded by Indonesians....

5. najib gave back O&G? lulz. petronas under najib already filed injunction in court to assert their right to all O&G activity for entire Malaysia.

he's basically playing good cop bad cop.

TL; DR most of what you listed here are not in the original agreement or never was rescinded or removed and in some cases it's own sarawakian ppl who don't want it like in no. 3....
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40% tax revenue derived from EM be returned to EM. Show me when did EM gave up this 40%?
Use of land and mineral found are the property of the state, not federal. Everybody know that except you.
In 1963, Malaya have less than 2/3 of the seat. Go check out how many seat in % they got now.
All government department should be by Sarawakian. Said so in IGC 1962 report.
In 1963, head of government in Sabah is called Negara in MA63. How come now become Negeri?
Oil rights. Do you even know how federal got to control EM's oil? If you don't know, go do more research.

Beside MA63, you should also read the IGC 1962 report.

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 21 2019, 05:25 AM)

TL; DR most of what you listed here are not in the original agreement or never was rescinded or removed and in some cases it's own sarawakian ppl who don't want it like in no. 3....
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Some, not all. Don't talk rubbish.

For example, Sarawak say any Sarawakian can use Allah because Islam is not Sarawak's official religion.
https://bestfbkl.blogspot.com/2014/03/no-re...christians.html



 

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