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touristking
post Feb 13 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 12 2019, 03:55 PM)
well things change constantly based on the situation of the time so let's stick to the election manifesto proper which was their main thrust in 2018.

or else you are gonna bring up other older expired promises as well? when they either changed that promise or abandoned it altogether?

this is the same argument with ppl keep mentioning that RM1.50/litre petrol price which they never officially promised but instead just put 'stabilize price'.

of which in current market is not possible anyway (even brunei charge RM1.70/litre ++)
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may be you want to list out what are the things in the manifesto that have been fulfilled or in the process of fulfilling? And also list out how many U turns so far.


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post Feb 14 2019, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 13 2019, 11:18 AM)
may be you want to list out what are the things in the manifesto that have been fulfilled or in the process of fulfilling? And also list out how many U turns so far.
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well let's start with that often misquoted and misunderstood 10 janji 100 hari part listed here:

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1.Abolish the Goods and Services Tax - DONE

2.Investigate scandal-plagued institutions - in the process

3.Introduce Employees Provident Fund (EPF) scheme for housewives - DONE

4.Re-introduce fuel subsidies for targeted groups - in the process

5.Standardise and increase the minimum wage - DONE but got complaints bcos rate set is just slightly higher. but they claim it will be a gradual increase

6.Postpone repayment to the National Higher Education Fund Corporation for those earning below RM4,000 - NOT DONE and I admit the biggest U Turn

7.Relook the awarding of mega projects to foreign countries - in the process, though some are in the ding dong process like ECRL. so I give this 1/2 a U Turn

8.Set up a task force to study how to return autonomy promise to Sabah and Sarawak, as set out in the Malaysia Agreement 1963 - in the process

9.Abolish FELDA settlers’ debts - NOT DONE and supposedly on the backburner no thanks to Felda's situation

10.Introduce national healthcare assistance initiative - DONE though instead of the Skim Peduli Sihat (which will see households in the B40 class be given RM500 worth of monetary assistance to receive treatment from private clinics) it's now called MySalam.

and of course ppl complain bcos supposedly it was done by a foreign insurance company that gave RM2 billion for the fund to avoid them being the target of BNM's insurance industry policies. so yeah, whatever.

So from my count that's a total of 1.5 U Turns (PTPTN and the ECRL, bcos the HSR is postponed among others)

4 are DONE (but ppl still complain bcos everyone's a critique)

4.5 are in the process and technically not a U Turn yet.

So what's your count?

let's stick to these 1st before we go to other actual promises listed (aka promises to be done within this term)

inb4 you didn't even know any of these promises in the 1st place, you just wanna scream U Turn bcos it seemed to be the cool thing to do.


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post Feb 14 2019, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 14 2019, 12:22 AM)
well let's start with that often misquoted and misunderstood 10 janji 100 hari part listed here:

1.Abolish the Goods and Services Tax - DONE

2.Investigate scandal-plagued institutions - in the process

3.Introduce Employees Provident Fund (EPF) scheme for housewives - DONE

4.Re-introduce fuel subsidies for targeted groups -  in the process

5.Standardise and increase the minimum wage - DONE but got complaints bcos rate set is just slightly higher. but they claim it will be a gradual increase

6.Postpone repayment to the National Higher Education Fund Corporation for those earning below RM4,000 - NOT DONE and I admit the biggest U Turn

7.Relook the awarding of mega projects to foreign countries - in the process, though some are in the ding dong process like ECRL. so I give this 1/2 a U Turn

8.Set up a task force to study how to return autonomy promise to Sabah and Sarawak, as set out in the Malaysia Agreement 1963 - in the process

9.Abolish FELDA settlers’ debts - NOT DONE and supposedly on the backburner no thanks to Felda's situation

10.Introduce national healthcare assistance initiative -  DONE though instead of the Skim Peduli Sihat (which will see households in the B40 class be given RM500 worth of monetary assistance to receive treatment from private clinics) it's now called MySalam.

and of course ppl complain bcos supposedly it was done by a foreign insurance company that gave RM2 billion for the fund to avoid them being the target of BNM's insurance industry policies. so yeah, whatever.

So from my count that's a total of 1.5 U Turns (PTPTN and the ECRL, bcos the HSR is postponed among others)

4 are DONE (but ppl still complain bcos everyone's a critique)

4.5 are in the process and technically not a U Turn yet.

So what's your count?

let's stick to these 1st before we go to other actual promises listed (aka promises to be done within this term)

inb4 you didn't even know any of these promises in the 1st place, you just wanna scream U Turn bcos it seemed to be the cool thing to do.
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Here is the official site of manifesto update. https://harapantracker.polimeter.org/

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post Feb 15 2019, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 13 2019, 05:22 PM)

8.Set up a task force to study how to return autonomy promise to Sabah and Sarawak, as set out in the Malaysia Agreement 1963 - in the process
Talk only. For example, they did promise 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue. So how long does it take to issue a check?

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post Feb 18 2019, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 15 2019, 02:38 PM)
Talk only. For example, they did promise 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue. So how long does it take to issue a check?
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well need to calculate the 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue 1st.

and 20% oil royalty is from entire oil production or just specific to sabah/Sarawak only?

and now that Sarawak claim petros is the proper oil rights holder, will federal govt. tax petros back?

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same goes for 50% tax revenue.

50% of total tax or tax collected from each state?

cannot simply issue cheque the later claim "eh wrong amount, eh wrong name" etc.

as mentioned, it's in process.

meanwhile total silence on all the other so called promises that in actuality weren't even the real promises listed but suddenly imposed on PH...
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post Feb 18 2019, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 18 2019, 02:11 AM)
well need to calculate the 20% oil royalty and 50% tax revenue 1st.

and 20% oil royalty is from entire oil production or just specific to sabah/Sarawak only?

and now that Sarawak claim petros is the proper oil rights holder, will federal govt. tax petros back?

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same goes for 50% tax revenue.

50% of total tax or tax collected from each state?

cannot simply issue cheque the  later claim "eh wrong amount, eh wrong name" etc.

as mentioned, it's in process.

meanwhile total silence on all the other so called promises that in actuality weren't even the real promises listed but suddenly imposed on PH...
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excuses. excuses.

In the past they gave Sarawak 5%. So 20% means they give 4 x 5%. That difficult to do that simple math?
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 18 2019, 11:39 AM)
excuses. excuses.

In the past they gave Sarawak 5%. So 20% means they give 4 x 5%. That difficult to do that simple math?
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hi mr. nitpick.

the promise is not just limited to petroleum royalty payments but cover the MA63 federation agreement) yet this is the only thing you nitpick.

besides, pay to whom? Sarawak state govt. or petros?

what about that supposed law that claims to stipulate that petros is the rightful owner of all oil and gas and other minerals mined from Sarawak?

what about the challenge by petronas (as the govt. entity that is in charge of the PDA act) to petros?

as mentioned, it's in the process. timeline is not the 100 days.

timeline is until end of term.

meanwhile still quiet on all other so called promises that are not actual PH promises.

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post Feb 19 2019, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 18 2019, 05:00 AM)
hi mr. nitpick.

the promise is not just limited to petroleum royalty payments but cover the  MA63 federation agreement) yet this is the only thing you nitpick.

besides, pay to whom? Sarawak state govt. or petros?

what about that supposed law that claims to stipulate that petros is the rightful owner of all oil and gas and other minerals mined from Sarawak?

what about the challenge by petronas (as the govt. entity that is in charge of the PDA act) to petros?

as mentioned, it's in the process. timeline is not the 100 days.

timeline is until end of term.

meanwhile still quiet on all other so called promises that are not actual PH promises.
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excuses. excuses. If they can't even give 20%, you think they will give more autonomy to Sarawak?

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 19 2019, 10:50 AM)
excuses. excuses. If they can't even give 20%, you think they will give more autonomy to Sarawak?
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ok then list down Sarawak autonomy that has yet to be implemented?

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 19 2019, 04:15 AM)
ok then list down Sarawak autonomy that has yet to be implemented?
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Tax
Federal representation numbers
Borneoization of civil service
Negeri vs Negara
Oil and Gas. This one, it can be argued that Najib actually sort-of given back but now taken back by Federal.

Those for a start.

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post Feb 21 2019, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 20 2019, 04:44 PM)
Tax
Federal representation numbers
Borneoization of civil service
Negeri vs Negara
Oil and Gas. This one, it can be argued that Najib actually sort-of given back but now taken back by Federal.

Those for a start.
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1. tax was never in the 18 point agreement or autonomy.

as it is all states whether in borneo or those in peninsular already collecting their own state and local govt. tax where it is allowed under constitution.

and of course now you have petros which want to collect tax on all oil & gas activities in Sarawak...

2. what do you mean federal representation umbers?

did federal govt. lower the numbers of MP from Sarawak inside parliament?

3. most of federal civil servants working in Sarawak are sarawakians.

in fact even sarawakians prefer NOT to work in federal depts. based in Sarawak bcos if they work in peninsular or even if they go up north in sabah, they get extra territorial allowance. much more worth it.

and peninsular ppl who work in Sarawak can only work for up to 5 years before they have to renew their permit.

and many actually can't wait to go back to peninsular too, you think all sarawakians are so welcoming?

and of course all state civil servants are native sarawakians as that's their law.

btw you have any actual figures on how many of the federal civil servants iin Sarawak are NOT from Sarawak?

4. pfft, semantics. wanna be negara and wanna secede, go ahead. later get invaded by Indonesians....

5. najib gave back O&G? lulz. petronas under najib already filed injunction in court to assert their right to all O&G activity for entire Malaysia.

he's basically playing good cop bad cop.

TL; DR most of what you listed here are not in the original agreement or never was rescinded or removed and in some cases it's own sarawakian ppl who don't want it like in no. 3....

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 21 2019, 05:25 AM)
1. tax was never in the 18 point agreement or autonomy.

as it is all states whether in borneo or those in peninsular already collecting their own state and local govt. tax where it is allowed under constitution.

and of course now you have petros which want to collect tax on all oil & gas activities in Sarawak...

2. what do you mean federal representation umbers?

did federal govt. lower the numbers of MP from Sarawak inside parliament?

3. most of federal civil servants working in Sarawak are sarawakians.

in fact even sarawakians prefer NOT to work in federal depts. based in Sarawak bcos if they work in peninsular or even if they go up north in sabah, they get extra territorial allowance. much more worth it.

and peninsular ppl who work in Sarawak can only work for up to 5 years before they have to renew their permit.

and many actually can't wait to go back to peninsular too, you think all sarawakians are so welcoming?

and of course all state civil servants are native sarawakians as that's their law.

btw you have any actual figures on how many of the federal civil servants iin Sarawak are NOT from Sarawak?

4. pfft, semantics. wanna be negara and wanna secede, go ahead. later get invaded by Indonesians....

5. najib gave back O&G? lulz. petronas under najib already filed injunction in court to assert their right to all O&G activity for entire Malaysia.

he's basically playing good cop bad cop.

TL; DR most of what you listed here are not in the original agreement or never was rescinded or removed and in some cases it's own sarawakian ppl who don't want it like in no. 3....
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40% tax revenue derived from EM be returned to EM. Show me when did EM gave up this 40%?
Use of land and mineral found are the property of the state, not federal. Everybody know that except you.
In 1963, Malaya have less than 2/3 of the seat. Go check out how many seat in % they got now.
All government department should be by Sarawakian. Said so in IGC 1962 report.
In 1963, head of government in Sabah is called Negara in MA63. How come now become Negeri?
Oil rights. Do you even know how federal got to control EM's oil? If you don't know, go do more research.

Beside MA63, you should also read the IGC 1962 report.

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 21 2019, 05:25 AM)

TL; DR most of what you listed here are not in the original agreement or never was rescinded or removed and in some cases it's own sarawakian ppl who don't want it like in no. 3....
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Some, not all. Don't talk rubbish.

For example, Sarawak say any Sarawakian can use Allah because Islam is not Sarawak's official religion.
https://bestfbkl.blogspot.com/2014/03/no-re...christians.html



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