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post Feb 11 2019, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Feb 6 2019, 07:45 AM)
He should offer a breakdown what has DAP against Islam?  hmm.gif
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I remember DAP said their alliance is dead. And PAS said it is not dead. So who kick who out?

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post Feb 12 2019, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:15 PM)
1. When hassan ali want to limit alcohol sale, dap against it
2. When appeal to allow hijab on mas stewardess for female staff who volunteer want to wear hijab, still dap against it
3. When pas want to made hudud, karpal singth say langkah mayat ku dulu
4. When teressa kok want to enter mosque, dont respect the requirement, insteqd call her colleague to allow her enter without the requirement
5. Dap constitution also is a threat to pas. Pas want islam as a soveriegn religi9n, dap want to treat all religion equal
6. Their follower action has somehow paint dap more to anti islam, exsmple like some comment from fb, etc
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only no. 3 has actual proof.

no. 4, IINM Teresa kok did not enter actual mosque building but enter the compound (dalam pagar).

no. 6 is not directly DAP fault.

meanwhile all the other reasons are just wrong perception and practically outright lies.

sadly most malays rather believe lies than finding out for themselves.


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post Feb 12 2019, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 04:35 PM)
Everyone want unity, but dap version unity is different. They prefer being republic, n treat all religion as equal n promote seculariwm. They will introduce it slowly...slowly...pretend to be ur friend, while they are upholdimg their principle slowly2 n diam2. Meanwhile, pakatan itself has proven many lies by many u turn like AEC, sst, free ptpthn...n many more. U shoukd ask urself....kalau ini sudah pun tipun can u trust their unity version? Scholar in the past, when they want to pick up a hadith, they will examined the periwwyat character. If the periwayat character also lies, the hadith will be rejected.....n why is it after contantly many lies that was protrayed through many u turn, why should we trust all the allegation n their unity
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where does it say DAP supports becoming republic?

where does it say pakatan offer free PTPTN in their latest 2018 election manifesto?

pakatan already said they will reintroduce the SST to replace GST inside manifesto.

TL; DR you understood wrong.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Feb 6 2019, 07:21 PM)
This is the problem. Many Malay Muslims are brainwashed into thinking this is an islamic country with full islamic theological governance instead of a secular country with Islam as official religion
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this.

unfortunately they think that bcos they are the majority so their interpretation must be the right one...

however I would add that we are not totally secular or an Islamic country but rather a hybrid...

and while Islam is the official religion of the federation, sabah and Sarawak technically is silent on that...
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post Feb 12 2019, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 07:55 PM)
How examplethings like ruu can affected the nonmuslim?

Even theres some element of disagreement , as civirilized community we can find middle path solution, a solution of win win among 2 groups...but have we tryimg to negotiate such deal? As far as i concern, whatever pas proposal has been rejected blindly. Theres even no room for discussion or negotiation. Almost none. It is just yes and no answer, nothing of like "yes but...". Its like black n white answer, not grey side

Let me test on u....a sterwardest voluntereed herself to wear hijab. Will u respect her decisiom or not?
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example of RUU355 amendment that can affect non-muslim

(btw RUU355 already inside law, what PAS want is an amendment to expand it)

aurat issue. actually in Kelantan there's already a law about aurat. supposedly only affects muslims.

but non muslims also affected.

proof?

non-muslim shops fined for having ads of Non-muslim models not wearing hijab (aka showing their hair)

https://www.mynewshub.tv/utama-sensasi/farm...er-dedah-aurat/

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KOTA BHARU – Sebuah farmasi di sini telah dikenakan saman oleh pegawai penguatkuasa Majlis Perbandaran Kota Bharu (MPKB) kerana mempamerkan poster model wanita yang tidak menutup aurat.

Kes ini berlaku pada 26 Julai lalu iaitu sehari selepas pihak berkuasa tempatan mengeluarkan saman kepada sebuah kedai jam kerana memaparkan dua poster ‘seksi’, termasuk salah satunya melibatkan imej pelakon Aishwarya Rai.

Dalam kejadian pada tarikh itu, seorang pekerja farmasi berkata pegawai penguatkuasa majlis mengeluarkan saman kepada pihak pengurusan kerana memaparkan poster model yang ‘terdedah aurat’.

“Saya diberitahu pengurus terpaksa membayar RM150 bagi kesalahan itu.

“Ini adalah kali pertama kami disaman selepas poster itu diletakkan baru-baru ini,” kata pekerja berkenaan.

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Abdul Fattah berkata demikian ketika diminta mengulas mengenai dua ahli perniagaan bukan Melayu yang dikenakan saman selepas mempamerkan poster model tanpa tudung. – mStar
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 07:58 PM)
No one suggest to alcohol ban....the wish was like restrict alcohol sale, dont made it widely available, even oversea domt just sell alcohol in all shop..only selected shop
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that's already happening here.

alchohol only sold in selected shops.

ada ke kedai mamak jual beer selain A&W atau mug sarsaparilla?

only shops that have liquor license can sell hard liquor.

and they need to publish their application inside papers for ppl to object.

as for alcoholic beverage with <5% alcohol they don't need to apply hard liquor license but have to sell it in designated cooler and also with warning that it's not for muslims.

yang orang muslim pergi beli jugak buat apa?
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PAS play malay cards
DAP play chinese cards

both said racist to each others...

endless story....

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post Feb 12 2019, 07:22 AM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 12 2019, 12:43 AM)
only no. 3 has actual proof.

no. 4, IINM Teresa kok did not enter actual mosque building but enter the compound (dalam pagar).

no. 6 is not directly DAP fault.

meanwhile all the other reasons are just wrong perception and practically outright lies.

sadly most malays rather believe lies than finding out for themselves.
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number 6 nit entirely their fault but their silence means they agree on them. example when someone mocking sultan, wheres dap to take a stand. n yet... when a malay guy show middle fingee to calsberg girl, dap quickly stand forward
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 6 2019, 06:39 PM)
Something i domt understand....if lets say pas decide want to limit alcohol sale or promote hijab in stewardess n dap agaijst it. So why pas need to be together with pakatan when they know their agenda cant be carried together with presence of dap. This is democracy, should not we respect pas wish to say bye bye to dap? Afterall....even if pas with dap what good will be, if dap keep against pas. Common sense right?

All thr while i see.....dap is angry with pas for one reason only, because pas is stealing malaynvoters. Thats all
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All thr while i see.....dap is angry with pas for one reason only, because pas is stealing malaynvoters. Thats all


Creating stories. DAP is not angry with PAS because PAS is stealing malaynvoters.

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 11 2019, 05:43 PM)


no. 6 is not directly DAP fault.


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DAP never say anything. So they gave tactic approval of what their followers were doing.

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 11 2019, 05:46 PM)

where does it say pakatan offer free PTPTN in their latest 2018 election manifesto?

If it's going to be free, why is there the need to take any loan or have to pay such loan if taken?

Free higher education for all, Pakatan pledges in alternative budget
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/free-higher-educa...-041700797.html
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 11 2019, 05:50 PM)
this.

unfortunately they think that bcos they are the majority so their interpretation must be the right one...

however I would add that we are not totally secular or an Islamic country but rather a hybrid...

and while Islam is the official religion of the federation, sabah and Sarawak technically is silent on that...
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In the beginning, Islam is not the official religion of Sabah and Sarawak.

But when UMNO took over Sabah, I think they changed the state constitution to make Islam the official religion of Sabah.

As for Sarawak, they still maintain the old state constitution of not having any official religion, aka, secular.


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QUOTE(alexchew_2020 @ Feb 11 2019, 06:19 PM)
PAS play malay cards
DAP play chinese cards

both said racist to each others...

endless story....

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A different

PAS have always openly said they are for Islam or Malay.

DAP say they are not playing the racist card but are.


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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Feb 12 2019, 07:22 AM)
number 6 nit entirely their fault but their silence means they agree on them. example when someone mocking sultan, wheres dap to take a stand. n yet... when a malay guy show middle fingee to calsberg girl, dap quickly stand forward
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DAP always took a stand to reprimand their real life (not anonymous online) members not to mock sultan or agong.

they even apologized on behalf!

proof:

http://www.utusan.com.my/berita/politik/da...riffin-1.817158

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JOHOR BAHRU 6 Jan. - DAP Johor hari ini merafak sembah dan memohon keampunan kepada Sultan Johor, Sultan Ibrahim Almarhum Sultan Iskandar atas kenyataan tidak sopan seorang anggotanya yang juga Ahli Majlis Daerah Pontian, Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin Harris Fadzillah terhadap institusi Raja Berperlembagaan dalam laman sosial Facebook, dua hari lepas.


Setiausahanya, Tan Hong Pin berkata, parti itu memandang berat terhadap kenyataan tidak sopan yang disampaikan tersebut.

“Kenyataan yang dimuat naik oleh Saudara Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin Harris Fadzillah menerusi akaun peribadi Facebooknya tersebut diungkapkan dengan bahasa yang tidak sopan dan tidak menggambarkan sifat seorang rakyat yang menghormati institusi Diraja.

“Sebagai ahli parti dan Ahli Majlis, beliau seharusnya mengutamakan budi bahasa dan bersikap sopan santun serta perlu menjaga tata tertib berbahasa,” katanya menerusi kenyataan di sini hari ini.

Hong Pin berkata, sungguhpun DAP teguh atas prinsip keluhuran Perlembagaan yang sekali gus memperjuangkan kebebasan bersuara, namun, prinsip dan perjuangan tersebut tidak boleh dijadikan alasan untuk melahirkan kenyataan tanpa rasa tanggungjawab.

Menurutnya, sebarang kenyataan yang dilahirkan harus mengikut etika diplomasi yang tinggi dan berintegriti.

“Semalam, DAP Negeri Johor telah dimaklumkan bahawa Ahli Majlis berkenaan (Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin) telahpun memohon maaf dalam media sosial beliau dan memadamkan kenyataan yang tidak sopan tersebut.

“Sehubungan dengan itu, DAP Johor merafak sembah dan memohon keampunan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Johor khususnya dan seluruh rakyat amnya atas sikap tidak bertanggungjawab ahli kami yang berkelakuan tidak sopan terhadap institusi Raja Berperlembagaan,” katanya.

Hong Pin menambah, sebagai sebuah parti yang menjadi anggota kerajaan, DAP sentiasa memantau tahap disiplin ahli-ahli dan wakil-wakil pimpinan di peringkat akar umbi semasa menjalankan khidmat mereka.

DAP mengulangi pendirian untuk menjunjung Perlembagaan Persekutuan dan institusi Raja Berperlembagaan di samping memelihara keharmonian masyarakat demi mensejahterakan rakyat secara keseluruhannya, katanya.

Terdahulu, Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin memuat naik kenyataan memperlekeh Tunku Mahkota Johor, Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim dalam akaun Facebook miliknya, Jumaat lepas, sebelum dipadamkan.

Beliau kemudian memohon maaf kepada seluruh kerabat Diraja Johor menerusi laman sama semalam atas kenyataan yang dibuatnya. - BERNAMA
there, bolded and enlarged official statement that

1. DAP will apologise for their actual real life members if they insulted sultan

2. DAP always upheld federal constitution, constitutional monarchy system and safeguarding public harmony etc. etc.

mana bukti DAP mahu jadikan republic?

but of course ppl don't want to believe bcos ppl already have irrational hatred and prejudice towards DAP bcos they rather believe lies from self-proclaimed ulama'.....


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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 12 2019, 10:50 AM)
DAP never say anything. So they gave tactic approval of what their followers were doing.
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they did say something but bcos it was for their actual members (not for online anonymous keyboard warriors who claim to be DAP members) no one either read about it or totally ignored it.

http://www.utusan.com.my/berita/politik/da...riffin-1.817158

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JOHOR BAHRU 6 Jan. - DAP Johor hari ini merafak sembah dan memohon keampunan kepada Sultan Johor, Sultan Ibrahim Almarhum Sultan Iskandar atas kenyataan tidak sopan seorang anggotanya yang juga Ahli Majlis Daerah Pontian, Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin Harris Fadzillah terhadap institusi Raja Berperlembagaan dalam laman sosial Facebook, dua hari lepas.

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Setiausahanya, Tan Hong Pin berkata, parti itu memandang berat terhadap kenyataan tidak sopan yang disampaikan tersebut.

“Kenyataan yang dimuat naik oleh Saudara Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin Harris Fadzillah menerusi akaun peribadi Facebooknya tersebut diungkapkan dengan bahasa yang tidak sopan dan tidak menggambarkan sifat seorang rakyat yang menghormati institusi Diraja.

“Sebagai ahli parti dan Ahli Majlis, beliau seharusnya mengutamakan budi bahasa dan bersikap sopan santun serta perlu menjaga tata tertib berbahasa,” katanya menerusi kenyataan di sini hari ini.

Hong Pin berkata, sungguhpun DAP teguh atas prinsip keluhuran Perlembagaan yang sekali gus memperjuangkan kebebasan bersuara, namun, prinsip dan perjuangan tersebut tidak boleh dijadikan alasan untuk melahirkan kenyataan tanpa rasa tanggungjawab.

Menurutnya, sebarang kenyataan yang dilahirkan harus mengikut etika diplomasi yang tinggi dan berintegriti.

“Semalam, DAP Negeri Johor telah dimaklumkan bahawa Ahli Majlis berkenaan (Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin) telahpun memohon maaf dalam media sosial beliau dan memadamkan kenyataan yang tidak sopan tersebut.

“Sehubungan dengan itu, DAP Johor merafak sembah dan memohon keampunan Duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Johor khususnya dan seluruh rakyat amnya atas sikap tidak bertanggungjawab ahli kami yang berkelakuan tidak sopan terhadap institusi Raja Berperlembagaan,” katanya.

Hong Pin menambah, sebagai sebuah parti yang menjadi anggota kerajaan, DAP sentiasa memantau tahap disiplin ahli-ahli dan wakil-wakil pimpinan di peringkat akar umbi semasa menjalankan khidmat mereka.

DAP mengulangi pendirian untuk menjunjung Perlembagaan Persekutuan dan institusi Raja Berperlembagaan di samping memelihara keharmonian masyarakat demi mensejahterakan rakyat secara keseluruhannya, katanya.

Terdahulu, Mohamad Kamarul Ariffin memuat naik kenyataan memperlekeh Tunku Mahkota Johor, Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim dalam akaun Facebook miliknya, Jumaat lepas, sebelum dipadamkan.

Beliau kemudian memohon maaf kepada seluruh kerabat Diraja Johor menerusi laman sama semalam atas kenyataan yang dibuatnya. - BERNAMA
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 12 2019, 10:52 AM)
If it's going to be free, why is there the need to take any loan or have to pay such loan if taken?

Free higher education for all, Pakatan pledges in alternative budget
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/free-higher-educa...-041700797.html
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hello, we are talking 2018 election manifesto which was the latest pledge.

that one is alternative budget made in 2017. which is no longer valid.

election manifesto in 2018 is this:

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https://epaper.amanah.org.my/artikel-piliha...peminjam-ptptn/

1. remove blacklist (DONE)

2. delay payment until borrower earns more than RM4k/mth (not done)

that last part I admit they fucked up and even try to lower the amount to RM2k/mth.

if you kutuk that one I agree.

but nowhere in PH election manifesto that claim PH will give FREE PTPTN.

TL;DR if you wanna kutuk bettr make sure you kutuk based on actual facts and not something from UMNO/PAS propaganda...
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 12 2019, 05:43 AM)
they did say something but bcos it was for their actual members (not for online anonymous keyboard warriors who claim to be DAP members) no one either read about it or totally ignored it.

http://www.utusan.com.my/berita/politik/da...riffin-1.817158
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Using your own argument, UMNO seldom condemn some of those racist things by their followers. So does that makes UMNO anti-racism?


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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 12 2019, 05:49 AM)
hello, we are talking 2018 election manifesto which was the latest pledge.

that one is alternative budget made in 2017. which is no longer valid.

election manifesto in 2018 is this:

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https://epaper.amanah.org.my/artikel-piliha...peminjam-ptptn/

1. remove blacklist (DONE)

2. delay payment until borrower earns more than RM4k/mth (not done)

that last part I admit they fucked up and even try to lower the amount to RM2k/mth.

if you kutuk that one I agree.

but nowhere in PH election manifesto that claim PH will give FREE PTPTN.

TL;DR if you wanna kutuk bettr make sure you kutuk based on actual facts and not something from UMNO/PAS propaganda...
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So in 2017, Pakatan is just giving empty talk?
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 12 2019, 04:42 PM)
Using your own argument, UMNO seldom condemn some of those racist things by their followers. So does that makes UMNO anti-racism?
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wait, you claim UMNO seldom condemn the racist things done by their followers yet you want to label them anti racism?

what logic?

if you claim umno always condemn the racist things then it would make sense.

do you have a problem with English proficiency?
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 12 2019, 04:43 PM)
So in 2017, Pakatan is just giving empty talk?
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well things change constantly based on the situation of the time so let's stick to the election manifesto proper which was their main thrust in 2018.

or else you are gonna bring up other older expired promises as well? when they either changed that promise or abandoned it altogether?

this is the same argument with ppl keep mentioning that RM1.50/litre petrol price which they never officially promised but instead just put 'stabilize price'.

of which in current market is not possible anyway (even brunei charge RM1.70/litre ++)


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