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post Apr 16 2019, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 15 2019, 07:10 PM)
ya.. and tablet... and mobile phone... and smart tv... ban them all! tongue.gif
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Local set of tablets and mobile phones will have sirim logo/cert. Similarly for smart TV.

Seems to me sirim logo/cert is more like the sirim perspective of the issue. Might not be the same as the MCMC perspective.

If MCMC's intention is to block illegal content, then they will have go beyond sirim logo/cert. Basically nothing could stop those sirim logo/cert boxes to be further installed with apps which can view illegal content.

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Ban already people still can use smile.gif
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post Apr 16 2019, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 16 2019, 10:05 AM)
Local set of tablets and mobile phones will have sirim logo/cert. Similarly for smart TV.

Seems to me sirim logo/cert is more like the sirim perspective of the issue. Might not be the same as the MCMC perspective.

If MCMC's intention is to block illegal content, then they will have go beyond sirim logo/cert. Basically nothing could stop those sirim logo/cert boxes to be further installed with apps which can view illegal content.
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well, this says it all:

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We called up the MCMC regarding this matter, and the spokesperson told us that it isn’t the Android box itself that is illegal. After all, it’s just an ordinary device that connects to several different apps online. However, if an unauthorised cable connection/international satellite is connected to the Android box, then that it is said to be illegal. In other words, if an Android box is connected to a cable connection that is NOT from a Malaysian landline connection or a recognised WIFI connection, then it goes against the MCMC regulations.
https://asklegal.my/p/malaysia-imposing-ban...s-videocon-MCMC


the implications are far n wide - for boxes, sticks, dongles, smart tv's, phones, tablets, htpc's and pc's.

just we wait n see how they will go about it, if anything soon.

situation still unclear in europe and singapore where the issue is hot.

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post Apr 16 2019, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 26 2019, 10:51 AM)
no country has banned "tv box".

i dun think they can or will... if so, must ban all tablets and phones too since they work much the same.

BUT, can expect:

.. making it an offence to sell boxes installed with apps to access stuff illegally; UK already taken several to court.
.. making legit service providers improve blocks, recognition and verification to allow only legit users.
.. blocking, closing down, arresting illegit servers, owners.

europe is working on a law to do all of the above... singapore may follow...?
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Actually UK sort of banned it.
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post Apr 16 2019, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 16 2019, 10:07 PM)
Actually UK sort of banned it.
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afaik, they banned boxes sold by retailers preinstalled with apps to access pirated stuff.

empty box, or with legit apps like netflix... what is there to ban?
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post Apr 16 2019, 11:41 PM

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Hello ,,

how to ban Android Box TV .. when shipments by the containers is coming in from our seaport .... and more over ...how to get house warrant arrest .. to enter houses to check ,, on android TV ...

you think our goverment is so freee ..meeh ...

pakai lah otak sikit .... .!!??
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QUOTE(suns8630 @ Apr 16 2019, 11:41 PM)
Hello ,,

how to ban Android Box TV .. when shipments by the containers is coming in from  our seaport .... and more over ...how to get house warrant arrest .. to enter houses  to check ,, on android TV ...

you think our goverment is so freee ..meeh ...

pakai lah otak sikit .... .!!??
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hello ...

pakai handphone android .. pakai chrome cast ... masok app ... sudah dapat android TV .... ini pun lu mau tangkap kaah ..???
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post Apr 19 2019, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(suns8630 @ Apr 16 2019, 11:43 PM)
hello ...

pakai handphone android .. pakai chrome cast ... masok app ... sudah dapat android TV .... ini pun lu mau tangkap kaah ..???
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Singapore court ordered ISP to ban certain sites but people worked around using DNS. Life as usual in Singapore.

Same in Malaysia.
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post Apr 19 2019, 11:20 AM

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no fresh news from SG since this report of 18 Jan:

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New laws planned to ban sale of media streaming boxes with add-on services

New laws will be tabled in Parliament some time this year to ban the sale of media streaming boxes with "add-on" services that help consumers to access pirated content.

This clarity comes on the heels of a three-year review by the Ministry of Law (MinLaw) and the Intellectual Property Office of Singapore (Ipos) of Singapore's copyright laws.

The legality of media streaming boxes has been a grey and contentious area as copyright holders have found it difficult to resort to many of the usual legal avenues created in the DVD era against set-top box retailers that benefit from the sale of add-on services.

"We are of the view that legislative amendments are needed to both clarify our policy position and the actions that can be taken against retailers of such set-top boxes," MinLaw said in its Copyright Review Report issued yesterday.

"The measures, which are absent today, will make clear that acts such as the import and sale of such devices are prohibited," the ministry said in a separate statement.

The review involved two public consultations, three town hall meetings and 10 engagement sessions conducted since August 2016.

Feedback from various stakeholders - including consumers, industry and trade associations, businesses, intellectual property practitioners and academics - was sought.

The new laws will impose civil and criminal liability on people who wilfully distribute or sell a product that can be used to access pirated content if the product is designed for such access or advertised as such. The selling of a generic device with add-on services - such as supplying website links or subscription services to pirated content - will also be deemed illegal.

Close to 100 formal submissions and more than 280 online feedback forms were received by MinLaw and Ipos.

The new laws will impose civil and criminal liability on people who wilfully distribute or sell a product that can be used to access pirated content if the product is designed for such access or advertised as such.

The selling ofa generic device with add-on services - such as supplying website links or subscription services to pirated content - will also be deemed illegal.

But the new rules will not require retailers of general devices to be responsible for how purchasers set up the devices and use them.


Technology lawyer Koh Chia Ling of OC Queen Street said that consumers are not the target of the proposed changes.

"If streaming involves the making of an infringing copy by the consumer, then the consumer infringes copyright. However, it is not clear whether streaming involves making a copy at all times or at all," he said.

Meanwhile, there will be new enforcement measures to prevent the import and sale of set-top boxes used to access content from unauthorised sources.


The Copyright Act was enacted in 1987, with major revisions last made in 2014 to allow content owners to seek a High Court order to get Internet service providers (ISPs) to block piracy websites. Before the revised law, they could not compel ISPs to block pirated content.

Last November, following a motion filed by SingNet, which is part of Singtel, and copyright holders Fox Networks Group Singapore, NGC Network Asia, Fox International Channels (US) and The Football Association Premier League, the High Court ordered eight new piracy websites and any others related to them to be blocked, bringing the total number of such websites blocked to just over 60.

In April, the courts will hear a criminal case against trading firm An-Nahl for "wilfully" infringing copyright, including that of telcos StarHub and Singtel, as well as the Premier League, by helping people to access pirated content using media streaming boxes that it was selling.

A date to hear the case against retail firm Synnex Trading over a similar infringement has yet to be fixed.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-...add-on-services


over in europe:

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Article 13 BLOW: Kodi and Pirate Bay users dealt BAD news about upload filters
ARTICLE 13 passed its final EU hurdle this week and in the aftermath Kodi and Pirate Bay users were dealt some bad news about upload filters.
Wed, Apr 17, 2019

Article 13 has cleared the final roadblock it needed to ahead of becoming part of EU law. While the controversial copyright law changes were passed by MEPs last month it still needed to be approved by the Council of the European Union. That vote took place on Monday with almost three quarters of EU member states approving the Copyright Directive - which Article 13 is part of. EU member states now have two years to implement the law, and Kodi and Pirate Bay users have been put on alert about the possibility of upload filters.

Critics of the Copyright Directive have said it could be the “death of the internet” and that Article 13 could lead to the use of upload filters.

This is because Article 13 puts the liability for copyright breaches at the doorstep of a website hosting any infringing content.


One way that websites which host user generated content can protect themselves is by adding upload filters.
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/scienc...-upload-filters
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post Apr 19 2019, 03:50 PM

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latest in SG:

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High Court orders ISPs to block pirate sites showing EPL games
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/high...h8Vlb491jINumoQ

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SKMM already blocked Myiptv4k server few days ago


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post Apr 22 2019, 11:02 AM

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taiwan supposedly just passed new law making it "illegal to upload apps with illegal audio video links on-line, to help others download such apps, or to sell TV boxes containing such apps".
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post Apr 22 2019, 01:58 PM

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It will come a point, where Item description in LAzada, Shoppee MY, will prohibit any mention of
-pre-install
-kodi
-free streaming
-live tv

so sellers would really need to be creative in how to promote their goods.
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QUOTE(SCThong @ Apr 22 2019, 01:58 PM)
It will come a point, where Item description in LAzada, Shoppee  MY, will prohibit any mention of
-pre-install
-kodi
-free streaming
-live tv

so sellers would really need to be creative in how to promote their goods.
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the boxes still can install those app upon purchase... unless really block the IP for download...
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post Apr 22 2019, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Micky78 @ Apr 22 2019, 02:31 PM)
the boxes still can install those app upon purchase... unless really block the IP for download...
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yes, that would be as far the government can do.
they are trying to restrict the mass promotion of sellers selling boxes with the tag line" Free TV" etc.

As to how it is effectively enforced, beats me.

As they say, no one can stop the INTERNET.
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post Apr 22 2019, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(SCThong @ Apr 22 2019, 02:36 PM)
yes, that would be as far the government can do.
they are trying to restrict the mass promotion of sellers selling boxes with the tag line" Free TV" etc.

As to how it is effectively enforced, beats me.

As they say, no one can stop the INTERNET.
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For Singapore if they selectively raid a few houses then it will serve as good deterrent.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 19 2019, 10:49 AM)
Singapore court ordered ISP to ban certain sites but people worked around using DNS. Life as usual in Singapore.

Same in Malaysia.
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Cukur i have lifetime DNS and Lifetime VPN and also free NETFLIX....brows.gif
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Free stream better than paying premium for rubbish media contents to Astro monthly.
All repetitive contents . Still have to pay to watch recycle content that are neither new or old hollywood movies. Each of this movie cost RM18-20 ringgit or more. And after that these are recycled into channel 430,431,433 and 434.

Even netflix are much better these days. Astro better throw away. They're currently sending out their agents to encourage customers to subscribe higher subscription . Mostly trying to get u to pay RM200 over per month. But it has nothing nice or new.
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It is not the TV box problem but the operator that provide the services in MY & SG charge too high with long term contract and many people cannot even afford it.
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QUOTE(darkskies @ Apr 22 2019, 03:54 PM)
Free stream better than paying premium for rubbish media contents to Astro monthly.
All repetitive contents . Still have to pay to watch recycle content that are neither new or old hollywood movies. Each of this movie cost RM18-20 ringgit or more. And after that these are recycled into channel 430,431,433 and 434.

Even netflix are much better these days. Astro better throw away. They're currently sending out their agents to encourage customers to subscribe higher subscription . Mostly trying to get u to pay RM200 over per month. But it has nothing nice or new.
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Free is better because free videos are pirated mah. LOL.

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