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Buying Advice need guide on Canon compact digital, PowerShot G7 or PowerShot TX1
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 13 2007, 09:06 PM, updated 19y ago
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me myself love Nikon DSLR, since im a newbie, i would rather get a compact digital, and for that, Canon is my first choice for compact digital 1-PowerShot G7(like the DLSR-like, wanted to buy long ago but expensive)  2-PowerShot TX1(like its HD feature)  i've read all the specs both of this camera but still cannot make desission which to get... any sifu here mind give me some comment? sifu would get which compact digital cam for their backup camera? This post has been edited by jolipoli81: Jun 13 2007, 09:15 PM
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Munchurian
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Jun 13 2007, 11:53 PM
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New Member
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I'm no sifu but i have the G7 and loving it. I used to shoot with film SLRs and i feel right at home with the G7 - control, features, sharp images, hot shoe - it's all there in one small package. Only setback for me are ergonomics and focusing speed (compared to slr) but otherwise fantastic for anyone who wants to jump into photography or even pros. I shoot mostly with it now and my back-up is my old Nikon F90 slr
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 14 2007, 03:19 AM
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yeah, i do like G7 also for catching up to DSLR in the future... it has this DLSR-like....and i love it.....
may i know how much u get tht G7 for?
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clemong_888
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Jun 14 2007, 08:08 AM
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g7 is more of cam. tx1 is more of a vid cam. take your pick
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tongyam
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Jun 14 2007, 11:18 AM
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G7, rm2.2 +- gua
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 14 2007, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(tongyam @ Jun 14 2007, 11:18 AM) issit still that expensive now? i saw ppl selling around RM1700-1900 only -.- can G7's video compete with TX1?
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greyPJ
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Jun 14 2007, 12:41 PM
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julchin_09
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Jun 14 2007, 12:53 PM
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I think G7 is below RM2K now.....
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greyPJ
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Jun 14 2007, 12:59 PM
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yes, g7 around 1.7k, f31 around 800, half the price and size, double IQ.
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tongyam
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Jun 14 2007, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jun 14 2007, 11:54 AM) issit still that expensive now? i saw ppl selling around RM1700-1900 only -.- can G7's video compete with TX1? ask urself lor, like video or photo lorh u will know de answer
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mengsuan
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Jun 14 2007, 01:47 PM
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9W2NNS
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I saw G7's price tag yesterday at Bintang Maju; it is RM1700. Didn't attempt to ask the best price yet.
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tongyam
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Jun 14 2007, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Jun 14 2007, 01:47 PM) I saw G7's price tag yesterday at Bintang Maju; it is RM1700. Didn't attempt to ask the best price yet. wah, so cheap liao meh? how ocme drop so fast oh
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dokidoki
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Jun 14 2007, 02:23 PM
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hehehe...see my signature then u know which camera to get...BTW...isnt this thread suppose to be in trading guide?
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 14 2007, 03:03 PM
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wah...so confusing.... i like photo at first, and also going into video recently... i dont like the TX1 body, it makes me feels like its so old school, like china stock...=.="
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dokidoki
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Jun 14 2007, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(hannahtbt @ Jun 14 2007, 03:27 PM) If you will be taking pictures most of the time and the picture quality is more important than video quality then opt for G7. If videos is your main intention then opt for TX1. Bare in mind that you will be holding TX1 in a vertical video camera like manner and this would not be comfortable when taking lots of photos with it. Usually combo models like TX1 will have a compromise, you can't have the best of both photo and video in one. TX1 looks fragile to me and not well built. If you need to do videos often, I suggest getting a seperate entry level MiniDV digital camcorder. I find that the G7 is surprisingly small enough to fit in my side or back pocket yet feels secure when held. I would go for the G7. Note that if you don't mind the extra weight and unpocketable size, a Nikon D40 can be had for less than RM2K. If you're planning to take up photography as a hobby I suggest getting a DSLR otherwise it will be soon enough that you will want to upgrade to one when you realise that DSLR speed is far superior. While the Fujifilm f31fd are known for it's colours it is a lower range of camera compared to G7 in terms of performance and functions. in term of specification + megapixel yes, for...performance...erm....
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 14 2007, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE(hannahtbt @ Jun 14 2007, 03:27 PM) If you will be taking pictures most of the time and the picture quality is more important than video quality then opt for G7. If videos is your main intention then opt for TX1. Bare in mind that you will be holding TX1 in a vertical video camera like manner and this would not be comfortable when taking lots of photos with it. Usually combo models like TX1 will have a compromise, you can't have the best of both photo and video in one. If you need to do videos often, I suggest getting a seperate entry level MiniDV digital camcorder. I find that the G7 is surprisingly small enough to fit in my side or back pocket yet feels secure when held. I would go for the G7. If you're planning to take up photography as a hobby I suggest getting a DSLR if you don't mind the extra weight and unpocketable size. A Nikon D40 can be had for about the price of Canon G7. althought D40x is good for newbies like me, but i wouldn wanna get it yet, for now...because i haven't manage to 'hold' a DSLR camera yet its RM400-500 more expensive than the G7 tho
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 15 2007, 01:53 AM
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but the G7(10mp) has more mp compare to the D40(6mp) and for mobility, the G7 take first
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dokidoki
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Jun 15 2007, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jun 15 2007, 01:53 AM) but the G7(10mp) has more mp compare to the D40(6mp) and for mobility, the G7 take first more mp didnt mean good....some benq digital cam or china brand digital cam oso provide 10mp as well..and the price is below rm1k~...
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mengsuan
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Jun 15 2007, 10:29 AM
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9W2NNS
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If you read the review for TX1 in dpreview, the result doesn't look very convincing. It's written that TX1 is not capable to replace a proper camcorder too.
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 15 2007, 03:40 PM
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hmm, i guess i have a clear answer for myself... this G7 has been in my top list ever since last year Dec...but recently only my G2(not mine actually, my sis pass it to me and i got in love with camera) battery died and i dont wanna buy a new battery for that...
tell me, how long can the G7 record video? depends on the memory? because G2 only can record for 30sec =.="
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sotong168
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Jun 16 2007, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jun 15 2007, 03:40 PM) tell me, how long can the G7 record video? depends on the memory? because G2 only can record for 30sec =.=" i dun think any canon dc will let u have long hour video recording as they are using inefficient Motion JPEG codec (save licensing cost?) which is a low compression format and thus the size is big, my dc only allows me to record 7.5min of 640 x 480 pixels @ 30 fps on 1GB SD.
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dokidoki
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Jun 16 2007, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Jun 16 2007, 07:10 AM) i dun think any canon dc will let u have long hour video recording as they are using inefficient Motion JPEG codec (save licensing cost?) which is a low compression format and thus the size is big, my dc only allows me to record 7.5min of 640 x 480 pixels @ 30 fps on 1GB SD.  sotong u using f31fd?
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 16 2007, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Jun 16 2007, 07:10 AM) i dun think any canon dc will let u have long hour video recording as they are using inefficient Motion JPEG codec (save licensing cost?) which is a low compression format and thus the size is big, my dc only allows me to record 7.5min of 640 x 480 pixels @ 30 fps on 1GB SD.  but the PowerShot TX1 can record long hour video
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tongyam
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Jun 16 2007, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jun 16 2007, 11:58 AM) but the PowerShot TX1 can record long hour video for me, it is a mini handy cam, not a DC
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sotong168
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Jun 16 2007, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(dokidoki @ Jun 16 2007, 10:13 AM) nope, getting a hybrid dc, i.e. Sanyo CG65 mainly for video recording  love its portability & good video quality, already shot many happenings CG65 Official SiteReview: PC WorldAkihabaNewsSteves-DigicamsQUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jun 16 2007, 11:58 AM) but the PowerShot TX1 can record long hour video u sure? it is using motion jpeg aka m-jpeg too and thus: 7.5min for 640 x 480 pixels @ 30 fps on 1GB SD 3.5min for 1280 x 720 pixels @ 30 fps on 1GB SD
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greyPJ
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Jun 16 2007, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Jun 16 2007, 01:14 PM) nope, getting a hybrid dc, i.e. Sanyo CG65 mainly for video recording  love its portability & good video quality, already shot many happenings you read this thread? http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/view_to...957&forum_id=27quite disappointed, the auto focus sound is quite noisy, i checked the videos of cg65 previously dl, got the sound too.
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sotong168
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Jun 16 2007, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Jun 16 2007, 01:27 PM) you read this thread? http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/view_to...957&forum_id=27quite disappointed, the auto focus sound is quite noisy, i checked the videos of cg65 previously dl, got the sound too. oh is it? not aware of mine  sorry to TS, off-topic liao... btw, to TS, if your purpose is to take photo, forget about those hybrid dc lah, just get a pure dc; if your main purpose is to take video, then consider a dv-cam.
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 16 2007, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Jun 16 2007, 01:37 PM) oh is it? not aware of mine  sorry to TS, off-topic liao... btw, to TS, if your purpose is to take photo, forget about those hybrid dc lah, just get a pure dc; if your main purpose is to take video, then consider a dv-cam. yeah, agree....so G7 will be taking photos and if i wanna film, i will get a recorder instead but does anyone know G7 can video how long?
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sotong168
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Jun 16 2007, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jun 16 2007, 06:47 PM) yeah, agree....so G7 will be taking photos and if i wanna film, i will get a recorder instead but does anyone know G7 can video how long? go to here, u could retrieve 11 reviews frm various reputable dc sites. According to Dpreview, you could shoot movies up to 4.0GB in size or 29min of video. I suppose with 8GB SDHC, u could shoot about an hour of movie (into 2-avi files, i.e. 2 x 4GB of movie file). This post has been edited by sotong168: Jun 16 2007, 09:26 PM
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 16 2007, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Jun 16 2007, 09:25 PM) go to here, u could retrieve 11 reviews frm various reputable dc sites. According to Dpreview, you could shoot movies up to 4.0GB in size or 29min of video. I suppose with 8GB SDHC, u could shoot about an hour of movie (into 2-avi files, i.e. 2 x 4GB of movie file). thanks for the info, appreciate it...
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sotong168
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Jun 17 2007, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(hannahtbt @ Jun 17 2007, 05:30 AM) With the G7 movie mode, there's a long time lag to write to SD card after you stop recording and you can't use the optical zoom. A DV cam don't have this issue. IMHO digicam is suitable only for short 15-30 secs of recording. Photo -> G7, Video -> MD120 there is no stoppage with 640x480 30fps filming for my a620 to fill-up 1gb per clip (limitation of digic2) on my 2GB 150x SD, i suppose g7 with digic3 should have no issue as well. u r rite, no optical zooming during filming is an obvious setback.
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greyPJ
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Jun 17 2007, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(hannahtbt @ Jun 17 2007, 02:05 PM) Yes, that's right. What I meant was after you press the stop recording button, you'll have to wait a while for it to complete writing to the SD card. No fun  what speed the card u using?
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 17 2007, 04:00 PM
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no choice, G7 is identified as similar to DSLR-like already...those DSLR cant even capture videos.... at least the G7 can..... well...from G2 to G6, i like the rotatable LCD but i dunno why such good feature is not on the latest G7, and no RAW format for 1st time in G series....how SAD is that?
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 18 2007, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(hannahtbt @ Jun 17 2007, 10:43 PM) For DSLR-like (ie. manual control) also can consider - Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2 (wide angle) - Canon Powershot A620 (rotatable LCD) IMHO, RAW function isn't neccessary... I've already bought the G7, the photo quality didnt really satisfy me....but maybe the shutter speed is good~ didnt totally try everything out yet
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dokidoki
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Jun 18 2007, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jun 18 2007, 05:22 PM) I've already bought the G7, the photo quality didnt really satisfy me....but maybe the shutter speed is good~ didnt totally try everything out yet rice already become porridge ..wat to do?..
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 18 2007, 09:39 PM
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yalo, have to keep on using lo...
i have a 550 flash light that is use in my dad's film SLR last time, i ask tht guy who sold me the camera whether can use not, he say surely cannot, he said sure no flash come out, he said new flash light 480 wan RM1050, i go home test my dad's old 550 flash light, can use very well....damn, almost kena lie
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mengsuan
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Jun 19 2007, 11:54 AM
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9W2NNS
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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jun 18 2007, 05:22 PM) I've already bought the G7, the photo quality didnt really satisfy me....but maybe the shutter speed is good~ didnt totally try everything out yet Don't conclude so quickly. Give it some time, play with the camera. You'll get use to it and use the camera efficiently.
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 19 2007, 10:58 PM
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 21 2007, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE(hannahtbt @ Jun 20 2007, 01:22 PM) I would think it's priced to sell rather than too cheap. With 4MP and more than 5 years old since it was introduced, it competes with the new Powershot A series priced around RM500-RM1,000. Hence it should not be worth more than RM500 on the pre-loved market. Not many people would want to buy an old model unless they're on a tight budget and just looking for a simple camera which is cheap yet good. Batteries that are long used will depreciate in value substantially. Besides one can buy OEM batteries at very low cost these days and need not rely on pricey original batteries. Those who bought your camera is also taking a risk of not being able to find replacement batteries in the future as it's a discontinued model. but the minolta is using AA standart battery...and its cheap, a lot of ppl pm me, and i manage to sell it RM100 somehow....
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TSjolipoli81
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Jun 23 2007, 03:22 AM
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QUOTE(hannahtbt @ Jun 22 2007, 12:58 AM) Probably someone buys for collection, experiment or give to their little kid to play with. I sold my cap ayam PnS digicam for RM100+ to a guy who wants to give it to his small kid as he doesn't want his kid to fiddle with his own camera and risk spoiling it.  Why don't you ask the buyer the reason he/she is buying it for? nuh, i wont ask my customer why they are buying my products unless they are telling me.....and indeed, he is giving his daugther that camera
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