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post Jan 9 2019, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(Balanced @ Jan 9 2019, 11:32 AM)
The car you are interested is below 10 years? Anyway prepare a sum of money for these cars for repairs, they tend to be abusived instead of sedated driving.
It seems your definition of abuse may differ from mine. Such cars were made to be "driven". Redlining them are NOT abusive. Abuse is when one don't get regular oil changes. Abuse is when one doesn't slow down on our infamous bad road surfaces. Abuse is when pumping in Ron 95 in them and still want to drive it hard. My cars are loved wub.gif Torco, Millers, Motuls ... Shell V-Power Ron 97 Racing (Red) and Ron 100 when it was launched by Petron. My oils get changes every 4k kms due to my low mileage. And the group of FD2R owners I hand out with, shares the same passion in maintaining their cars in good running condition.

The audacity of someone asking if can tune the k20A to run on Ron 95 ranting.gif It came from Japan ready to run on Ron 100. If you can't even afford the fuel, WTF buy such a car in the first place. Was he expecting 20km/l?

So, perhaps you meant to say, they tend to be driven hard. Abuse would be an overstatement.

As for TS, coming from both versions of it, I can say that the car was flawless. I had the FL because I sold the pre-FL and then had realised I haven't gotten over my own mid-life crisis sweat.gif Both of them gave me no issues despite my mods on it, which includes 6 Pot brakes, racing cams, multiple dyno tunes/runs, Ohlins sussy, HKS intakes, Hasport engine mounts (vibrate like crazy on an already harsh stock sussy initially) .. I miss my FD2R more than my 2015 WRX STI which I sold last year. Still regret selling it ..
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post Jan 10 2019, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(Balanced @ Jan 9 2019, 11:29 PM)
Well, I have been hunting for sporty cars too previously. And from what I have seen, there are some people who wants a sporty car but couldn't actually afford it.
They cannot afford to run good oils. To amplify the effect, they also can't afford to pay the high fuel consumption, hence rarely driving the car.
Bad oil + long non running hours would cause the car to deteriorate faster. And when they do drive it, they will drive it hard.
Bad oil while revving and racing the car is another abuse.

Anyway, the car I was looking at previously were old japanese cars with a sporty engine. Mainly:
Integra type R (K20A type R engine), Civic EK with B18C type R engines, Toyota altezza with 3SGE beams engine, an inspira with EVO X engine, and finally a nissan sentra with SR20VE 20V engine.

I viewed a few, almost all had some kind of trouble with the engine.
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It's a sad fact of life. Hence, I cannot comprehend when people ask about fuel consumption of a performance car. Like, hello?

Finding a good condition performance car is hard. They're not available in high nos for you to choose from. You just have to keep searching till you're in luck.

QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Jan 9 2019, 11:48 PM)
Thanks for the reply....you're right, I am prolly vague with my question when I asked if it was abused. LOL. I am sure people buy the FD2R to be driven like a person out of time . Totally have no issues with that and if they are not redlining the engine, they mind as well settle for a FD2. I've even okie if the previous owner service according to time with Honda oil....but just want to make sure that there's no lapse in periodic maintenance......Actually, I read a few places where people say Ron95 is okie for the engine but given the high compression ratio of the engine, I was wondering why people said it's okie........

I was looking on more if there are any known issues which Honda did not fix and also any habitual maintenance that you guys do. I am not looking to mod the car if I ever get it but to have it as a daily driver to work and what not.

Speaking of which. This question is moot but alot of people complained about the suspension too stiff,  as you know, our msian roads are hopeless.....given your track record of cars owned, I am pretty sure you are used to the stiffness, I drive and Accord now, what do you think if I were to move to a FD2R? I had Koni Yellow with Eibach on my Accord before and it was abit too much too take. lol
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Ron 95 is ok, provided you don't rev it high AT ALL. Open the FD2R fuel lid, and it recommends RON 100. Even my 2015 WRX STI only says RON 98. Says a lot about the K20A requirement on the FD2R.

There were no recalls by Honda nor known issues as far as I know during the course of my ownership. Just expect wear and tears replacement.

Konis have been reknowned for their handling yet subtle stiffness. So, if you already consider it as too much, then you will have an even harder time with the FD2R. The rebound are not harsh like bone shattering, but you will be jumping around in your seat. To put it bluntly, my wife CANNOT type a message on the phone without errors when travelling on a straight stretch of road where there are slight unevenness which is very common in Klang Valley. Anyway, they were always my weekend cars as I prefer an auto during my commute to and from work. Only when I gatal, then I'll drive it to work.

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 10 2019, 01:01 AM)
I "love" my vehicles as well however my GT86 mainly runs on RON95
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Whole car runs in Motul products and 300v.
Only recently changing engine oil to Penrite racing 0, but may go back Motul 300v or maybe downgrade to Penrite Enviro + because they discontinued 0w20 racing 0.

Engine Oil change interval at 8k km, will have UOA samples soon as well XD

FC wise, 6 to 8 km/l lol
Same with any RON fuel from 95 to 100 to VPR Red.
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GT86 at 6 to 8 km/l? Man, you memang pedal to the metal each time you drive. My FD2R with cams, gave me around 6-7 if I drive it hard constantly and max around 10 if I drive conservatively (which is rare) rclxm9.gif

I have heard and read about the awesome balance of the car. Your verdict?

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jan 10 2019, 08:56 AM)
Wonder how u guys have patience with 6-8km/l car.
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When we buy such cars, we already expect it. Power and low fuel consumption cannot shake hands. If someone wants 15 km/l, don't play with cars. It's people who buy such cars, then only realise they can't afford the fuel that gets my doh.gif
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post Jan 11 2019, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Jan 10 2019, 04:29 PM)
Oh.......shit.......wtf.......10k+++? Siao liao........
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I truly believe the mods value is in proportion to the car that you want to mod. If one has no funds for quality mods, then they should just stay stock. A stock FD2R is awesome as it is. It's people like us who likes to waste our money that can't seem to stop cry.gif

When we talk about mods, we're suppose to make it better. Fact is, it has to be safe as well. Quality brands comes with good R&D and also better construction process. Brand A and Brand B can get you a lower stance. But the ability to absorb the ever fluctuating road conditions is what makes the difference.

I personally object to performance parts "All Show And No Go" type of mods, unless your car is purely a show car.
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post Jan 11 2019, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Jan 11 2019, 10:01 AM)
Especially the part for the suspension experience with the wife...lol..not being able to complete a sentence while driving down a stretch of road is bad......how fast were you flying...lol
I always tell her the problem is because she holds phone with one hand, and type with another hand using index finger. Whereas I am a 2 handed typist using both thumbs, so I have better control.

Suffice to say, it doesn't necessarily end well for me rclxub.gif speed kills but in a difference context
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post Jan 14 2019, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(braindeath @ Jan 13 2019, 11:48 AM)
Any comment about renault megane?
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Tested the Renault Megane 250 twice before I decided on the FD2R facelift. As some say, it is another great FWD rocket. But one main reason I went back to FD2R was the heavier clutch on the Megane. If I already hated driving manual on weekdays to and from work, I would have hated driving the Megane even more.

The other reason, though not the primary reason is the crappy rear seat leg room. I am not very tall. When I configure the front seat to my ideal driving position and then I went to the back, the front of my feet touches the front seat and the back touches the rear. And my shoe size is only UK 8 laugh.gif Basically, your leg is f****d if you sit behind for long drive rclxs0.gif

FD2R is an ideal sub-RM200k 5-door NA rocket with excellent handling characteristics in stock form that's unmatched by any other in the same category, in my humble and honest opinion. Their track times at Sepang are testament to it.

 

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