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> Battery brand that has lasted 4 years or more.

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post Jan 10 2019, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(exeon @ Jan 10 2019, 11:03 AM)
Thanks for sharing.
What constitute short distance? 10km, 20km, 30km ?
Mostly i'm driving around 20+km to and back 20+km . Does it consider short distance ?
Battery life app 15-18 months need to change. 🤔
In Malaysia, the weather can consider hot but not as hot as some other countries. Where as the battery life are much longer life span.
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post Jan 10 2019, 07:34 PM

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I think its better to break up the answer into parts and prioritize them in a logical sequence, instead of cramping everything into 1 answer.

NO # 1 SELECT BEST WARRANTY TO BEGIN WITH

Like everything else, start with the best quality you can afford similar to genetics. A battery that offered with a good warranty means the manufacturer stands by the product it makes and vice verse.

My benchmark is that battery warranties that don't even pass 18 months warranty is not considered, just my elimination technique of weeding out low quality stuffs.

Today a friend of mine battery wouldn't fire up and it's only 5 months old !!! Warranty was for 1 year. I could write about further crazier testimonies on this but it only solidifies the point on beginning with a good quality battery.

Note : I've used only Century for so long that I don't even remember if I had used other models before. So my experience will be exclusively on 1 particular brand only albeit a limited one.

Successes are 1 Century died after touching the 4 year mark. Another Century just passed a 3 year mark. Previous attempts or should I say no attempts, all died after the warranty period. The manufacturer's are very smart people.

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post Jan 10 2019, 07:41 PM

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Battery very sensitive to heat. If battery is located inside the front bonnet, it won't last long. Max also 2 years if lucky.

If located underneath the rear seats or rear boot, easily 4-5 years.
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post Jan 10 2019, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 10 2019, 07:41 PM)
Battery very sensitive to heat. If battery is located inside the front bonnet, it won't last long. Max also 2 years if lucky.

If located underneath the rear seats or rear boot, easily 4-5 years.
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Very true indeed, that's why all my earlier batteries died within the 2 year mark because of the heat. The real question is how do we go about circumventing this issue since my batteries are located in the engine bay. 😂

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post Jan 10 2019, 07:52 PM

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Ori hilux yuasa battery , lasted 4 year plus..
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QUOTE(makky @ Jan 10 2019, 07:52 PM)
Ori hilux yuasa battery , lasted 4 year plus..
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I bet the model which you are using is 95D31L (17 plates per cell) not the regular N70ZL (75D31L) which is 15 plates per cell.

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post Jan 10 2019, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 10 2019, 07:45 PM)
Very true indeed, that's why all my earlier batteries died within the 2 year mark because of the heat. The real question is how do we go about circumventing this issue since my batteries are located in the engine bay. 😂
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Relocate to rear boot. Can DIY. Parts sold on Lozada.

U need a battery post and some welding cables. Also a battery box with ventilation.
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post Jan 10 2019, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 10 2019, 07:41 PM)
Battery very sensitive to heat. If battery is located inside the front bonnet, it won't last long. Max also 2 years if lucky.

If located underneath the rear seats or rear boot, easily 4-5 years.
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Partially true but not absolute. As I mentioned previously, mine had passed 7yrs and still running well. If thats the case it would have died earlier.

While in US, most of my car easily passed 5-6yrs, yeah its cold country but engine heat is is engine heat, especially from mid spring till mid fall, the weather do get hot and at times hotter than MY.

To me, the majority of the battery here just lack the quality, hence many dare not give more than 18months warranty.
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post Jan 10 2019, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 10 2019, 08:13 PM)
Relocate to rear boot. Can DIY. Parts sold on Lozada.

U need a battery post and some welding cables. Also a battery box with ventilation.
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TQ for the tip. Now I know where the guy got it from. 🤣

Just that I am not good with DIY and no wireman hence am extremely cautious about adding wires into a vehicle because faulty wires, unapproved wires etc could easily catch fire. This is way way above me already. So I had to work around this limitation.



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post Jan 11 2019, 11:34 AM

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NO # 2 : MODERATE TEMPERATURE FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE

It's common knowledge that extreme temperatures reduces the lifespan of lead acid batteries, I won't go into details about chemical reactions etc but I will state what I had done under existing circumstances (battery in the engine bay) being in a tropical country.

Cars that have their battery located in places other than the engine bay, the battery seems to be able to hold out longer than those in the engine Bay Area. Besides my father-in-law very old Toyota Corona with exceptionally large bonnet allows maximum Ventilation within a confined space as compared to modern smaller cars.

NOTE : Hence I strongly believe & suspect the key word is PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES which actually reduces its lifespan.

A) INSULATE THE BATTERY - Having an insulator in place helps cut the heat being radiated to the battery drastically.

B) OPEN UP THE BONNET FOR MAXIMUM AERATION & HEAT DISSIPATION - After most of my drives where permissible, I will open up my bonnet even to the Service Center for the engine bay to cool faster. The Service Advisor was like "What's wrong with your car ? Why the bonnet open up ?" I just smiled and replied "Nothing just admiring the engine." 😆

C) DURING DRIVING THE BONNET IS UNLOCK BUT LATCHED POSITON - I been reminded so many times by countless good motorists but I believe with the speed I am going the bonnet has NOT flung open wide. Certified not an F1 driver. This is to allow better air flow. However I have been thinking about another alternative to this that is air intake manifold (is that the proper term) like those American muscle cars to force feed air into the engine Bay Area that all. Since my cars ain't got no muscle, those manifold really looks out of place.

D) PARK IN A SHADED AREA - This is just to cut heat buildup inside the engine bay. 3 of my cars has shaded car park but unfortunately for 1 car, hence that Century ain't goin last as the other 3 that's in the shade.

All these will sound crazy to the unintiated but in my quest I really have to test out these crazy ideas and the strange thing is that it has worked for me. It not one size fit all solution, cause I cannot expect those staying in apartments to sit beside their car just to cool down before going home.

We are all faced with different sets of limitation just that we have to constantly figure out & try out until we find what works.

Although the suggestion to locate the battery to other parts in the car beside the engine bay is a good one especially for DIY forummers, this got me thinking some other related problems since I am on non-MF Batteries. If it's located inside the cabin, the gases produce is highly flammable right ? Even if it's moved to the boot, vapors could still travel into the cabin area right ? Manufactures that have batteries located elsewhere must have found a solution to this. I am just a regular bloke with 0 knowledge on batteries or cars, shifting battery is definately a good idea but it's just way above me abt this moment. Need to build up on my Kung-fu skills before I even dare to accept this challenge.

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post Jan 11 2019, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 11 2019, 11:34 AM)
NOTICE : STILL BEING EDITED

NO # 2 : MODERATE TEMPERATURE FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE

It's common knowledge that extreme temperatures reduces the lifespan of lead acid batteries, I won't go into details about chemical reactions etc but I will state what I had done under existing circumstances (battery in the engine bay) being in a tropical country.

Cars that have their battery located in places other than the engine bay, the battery seems to be able to hold out longer than those in the engine Bay Area. Besides my father-in-law very old Toyota Corona with exceptionally large bonnet allows maximum Ventilation within a confined space as compared to modern smaller cars.

NOTE : I believe the key word is PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES which actually reduces its lifespan.

A) INSULATE THE BATTERY - Having an insulator in place helps cut the heat being radiated to the battery drastically.

B) OPEN UP THE BONNET FOR MAXIMUM AERATION & HEAT DISSIPATION - After most of my drives where permissible, I will open up my bonnet even to the Service Center for the engine bay to cool faster.

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True, that goes to any battery, extreme heat is a battery killer! smile.gif
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post Jan 11 2019, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 11 2019, 11:34 AM)
NO # 2 : MODERATE TEMPERATURE FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE

NOTE : Hence I strongly believe & suspect the key word is PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES which actually reduces its lifespan.

A) INSULATE THE BATTERY .

B) OPEN UP THE BONNET FOR MAXIMUM AERATION & HEAT DISSIPATION -." 😆

C) DURING DRIVING THE BONNET IS UNLOCK BUT LATCHED POSITON -

D) PARK IN A SHADED AREA
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Good advise. Thanks
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post Jan 11 2019, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(senscents @ Jan 11 2019, 03:29 PM)
Good advise. Thanks
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That's just on ventilation alone. Will post another on maintenance.
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post Jan 12 2019, 12:15 AM

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NO # 3 : MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE & MORE MAINTENANCE.

Crazy as it sounds, who on earth maintains their car batteries but this is often overlook even by me, before but not anymore, not anymore.

NOTE : non-maintenance free Century battery used.

A) KEEP WATER 💦 LEVELS UP - I am guilty as charged and since I know better now, hopefully I won't screw up in the future again.

B) INSPECT & CLEAN POSTS & TERMINALS - Any gunk that's forming at the contact points must be cleaned off. Wire brush or sand down the posts & terminals for a completely clean contact. This is so important.

B) REMOVE & WASH DOWN THE BATTERY - Simple act of cleaning the battery removes any possibility small leakages or discharges from the battery itself. Thereafter wipe it down with a dry cloth and leave to completely air dry before reinstalling back firmly into its position.

C) BUY & INSTALL BATTERY CAP COVER - To prevent the hazardous material from damaging the underneath of your metal bonnet.

D) FINALLY BUY BATTERY CHARGER (I don't have one yet as now I am learning about them to find out which is most suitable) - Keeping the battery in fully charged condition constantly seems to me is the only way in prolonging the lifespan of the batteries to 7-8 year mark at least that what's written in their advertisement.

It's sure a step up for me if I can extend the battery lifespan from 4 years to 6,7 or 8 years with the soon to be purchased charger.

WARNING ⚠️ Safety precautions must be adhered too at all times like goggles & gloves. Remember no rings & necklaces or chain etc.

P/S : Finally modern car already has to much electronics that's zapping the life out of the battery already and if I want to prolong its lifespan I shouldn't be adding anymore strain or burden other than necessary e.g. locking the car manually and not engaging the alarm 🚨.

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post Jan 12 2019, 12:44 AM

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This is an important step in NO # 1.

Always check the manufacturer's website on the latest list of authorized distributors first, before proceeding to purchase your next battery from them.

That's it I guess and hopefully with those basic steps you too can improve your odds in increasing your battery lifespan.

I remember there was a question somewhere about how many cars I have. Well under my charge directly there are 5 cars Toyota, Kia, Proton & Peroduas. Indirectly there are Nissan, Subaru & more Peroduas & Protons.

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post Jan 12 2019, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jan 7 2019, 09:25 PM)
1. century hybrid ns70l (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst
2. yokohama flattop ns70 (non mf) early 2000s
3. bosch ns60 (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst

i suspect the bosch is a rebadged panasonic as they have the same status indicator
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Bro, this caught my eye your Yokohama battery has been in service since 2000 ? That's like 18 years ! The others are equally impressive too and they are non-MF too. 😳

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post Jan 12 2019, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(Jessieccy @ Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM)
This has no purpose. 4 years plus are either old cars with no electronics or cars that batteries are located at the rear & far from heat. Stock battery Nissan Almera, E spec GS Yuasa (start stop type) 3yrs.
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Oh I reassure you purpose it has. Depends very much how you want to look at things and what you want to achieve. I have a car that's laden with electronics that I hardly use and its non-MF battery just past 2 years old. Battery was tested on 29/12 still in great condition. Will see how that goes.
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post Jan 12 2019, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 7 2019, 11:37 PM)
What cars are you using? Honestly my first Century was the Marathoner and I'm disappointed with it and will never buy it again. It lasted over 2 years for my car with countless jump starts within that duration coz I didn't use the car for 5-7 days. Now I'm trying the Century Ultramax which is supposed to be their best model and it is better but not by much. It also already need to be jump started a few times, not yet 1.5 yrs though.

I also often hear recommendations for Amaron but never hear that they can last 7 years! Maybe next change I will try this brand but I will not try Century anymore, not even their Ultramax.
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After sifting through many threads and taking notes, I've come to realize that the Marathoner has so many terrible reviews against 1 positive review only on this forum.

At this moment top on the list for the highest recommended battery brand on this forum has to go to Varta, second its Amaron. However there was only 1 testimony by Veejay, if I am not mistaken, that his Varta battery has lasted 7 years.

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post Jan 12 2019, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 11 2019, 11:46 AM)
True, that goes to any battery, extreme heat is a battery killer! smile.gif
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Bro, I've got a question about your Varta battery right ? Did you bring this back directly from the US when you returned ? Is it MF or non-MF ?

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post Jan 12 2019, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 12 2019, 08:11 AM)
After sifting through many threads and taking notes, I've come to realize that the Marathoner has so many terrible reviews against 1 positive review only on this forum. 

At this moment top on the list for the highest recommended battery brand on this forum has to go to Varta, second its Amaron. However there was only 1 testimony by Veejay, if I am not mistaken, that his Varta battery has lasted 7 years.
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Varta is a very famous old brand, kind of premium brand for battery so not surprised if it's very good coz the price is also probably one of the most expensive and not many people sell it also. Amaron is relatively much newer brand but in the last few years has been the most popular in terms of recommendations and also a bit on the premium side in terms of pricing even though maybe not as expensive as Varta.

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